capitalsaint Posted 22 February, 2012 Share Posted 22 February, 2012 (edited) Not according to Big Sam and West Ham's dirty owner he isn't. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-ham/9098536/West-Ham-United-co-chairman-David-Sullivan-opens-up-on-the-club-he-supports-and-now-part-owns.html David Sullivan: "We did look at another striker, but decided he might not make it in the Premier League. He wanted to come. We could have had him for £1.75 million but Sam just thought he might not make the jump. I didn’t have an opinion to be honest. Let me tell you something, I believe in coincidence. Get this. Carlos Tévez. Born, 5 February. Cristiano Ronaldo. Born 5 February. Neymar. Born 5 February. All born on the same day as me. Jordan Rhodes, also born 5 February. And you know what, this other player that we didn’t sign, also born 5 February. When I saw the Huddersfield guy was the same date as me and the same date as those players, I thought it was written in the stars. Just incredible. An incredible coincidence, isn’t it?" Of course, he could be talking about a different striker available for that money who also shares Billy's birthday, but I doubt it. Edited 22 February, 2012 by capitalsaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supergoose Posted 22 February, 2012 Share Posted 22 February, 2012 Important to point out that Big Sam is a knob though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 22 February, 2012 Share Posted 22 February, 2012 Someone on Twitter today, who supports West Ham it has to be said, reckons we won't finish in the top two or get promoted via the play-offs. One reason he cites is the fact we have 'fat forwards'. Sharp and Lambert have some of the best goals to games ratios in this division. West Ham really do associate themselves with retards don't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 22 February, 2012 Share Posted 22 February, 2012 They really are one of the most deluded clubs ever, all they talk about is being Premier League quality, well Mr Gold, Sullivan and Mrs Brady, where was this quality last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 February, 2012 Share Posted 22 February, 2012 Someone on Twitter today, who supports West Ham it has to be said, reckons we won't finish in the top two or get promoted via the play-offs. One reason he cites is the fact we have 'fat forwards'. Sharp and Lambert have some of the best goals to games ratios in this division. West Ham really do associate themselves with retards don't they? The thing is though, Lambert isn't fat in the slightest. He doesn't have a bit of fat on him. Thick supporters who don't understand or appreciate a 'fit' centre forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 22 February, 2012 Share Posted 22 February, 2012 Important to point out that Big Sam is a knob though. A knob who hasn't signed Jordan Rhodes.....or Tevez.....or Ronaldo.....or Billy Sharp And thats a hell of an assumption that they will be returning to the Premiership this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 22 February, 2012 Author Share Posted 22 February, 2012 Additionally, how does one 'believe in coincidence'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 22 February, 2012 Share Posted 22 February, 2012 So Big Sam revealing yet further he's pretty thick. Excellent. Is this obsession with the number 5 a reason behind his formations as well? What about all the good footballers who weren't born on February 5th Sam? So 4 or 5 are, wow. Guess how many people you need in a room to make it likely 2 share a birthday? 23. That's all. People don't understand probability do they. TBF it's DS's opinion, not Fat Sam's (Sam's still a knob tho!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 22 February, 2012 Share Posted 22 February, 2012 Just look at how much Lambert has improved his overall game by working on his fitness. Fat can come and go but class and, more importantly, a good football brain, are permanent. From what little I have seen of him so far, I have absolutely no doubt that Sharp will score a bucketload of goals for us. When he gets up to the level of fitness that Nigel demands he and Lambert will be unstoppable, and I would much rather have him than Maynard or Vaz Te. The WHU fans who reckon our forwards are too fat to get us promoted would do well to look at what Big Sam managed to get out of another porky former Saint: Kevin Davies. Clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 22 February, 2012 Share Posted 22 February, 2012 That Iain Dale is a right pillock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifelongsaint83 Posted 22 February, 2012 Share Posted 22 February, 2012 West Ham don't get promoted, Portsmouth go bust and we go up as champions......Would be a pretty decent season in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 22 February, 2012 Share Posted 22 February, 2012 I don't think anyone disputes Sharp needs to lose a few pounds and work on his fitness but with Adkins being an ex Physio he'll have him on the right plan and I've no doubt when he sharpens up he'll score a load for us Meanwhile WHU buy about 200 forwards and I wouldn't swap any of them for our two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 22 February, 2012 Share Posted 22 February, 2012 Sharp has 3 more goals in the league than Maynard too. Suck on that Big Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 22 February, 2012 Share Posted 22 February, 2012 Let me tell you something, I believe in coincidence. Get this. Carlos Tévez. Born, 5 February. Cristiano Ronaldo. Born 5 February. Neymar. Born 5 February. All born on the same day as me. Jordan Rhodes, also born 5 February. And you know what, this other player that we didn’t sign, also born 5 February. When I saw the Huddersfield guy was the same date as me and the same date as those players, I thought it was written in the stars. Just incredible. An incredible coincidence, isn’t it?" Let me tell *you* something David. I believe in basic maths. Get this. 365 days in a year. A lot more than 365 professional football players in the world. So each footballer is bound to share a birthday with several other footballers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 February, 2012 Share Posted 22 February, 2012 No I dont think he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 22 February, 2012 Share Posted 22 February, 2012 He's a ****, but I can see his point. Not convinced BS could make the step up to the prem; but I am convinced he'll score the goals that get us there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 22 February, 2012 Share Posted 22 February, 2012 Last season, if this place was anything to go by, most of our squad wasn't considered good enough for the championship......until we get there and he is given a decent shot at it we will never know. NA seems to get the best out of players so will see what happens. I can't say that I reckon the likes of Maynard, Baldock or Cole are much better though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 22 February, 2012 Share Posted 22 February, 2012 The guy has always been a grade A to55er!! Would love to see him fail to get them promotion and get the sack the very next day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 22 February, 2012 Share Posted 22 February, 2012 Lambert is the obvious comparison to Sharp, but I think looking at him in relation to Richardson or Chaplow might be more accurate. Both of them were solid for us last year but neither were especially outstanding, and particularly with regards to Chaplow, I will admit to being sceptical of his potential contribution this season. However, with a first rate preseason under the belt and a run of games, both have become key players. I can see Sharp doing the same. I'm sure he'll contribute this season, but I also think he'll be a big player for us if we get promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 Billy Sharp might not make it in the Prem and West Ham will go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 They do seem to be a little obsessed with us and that makes me think that they are running scared. Before the start of the season they obviously thought that they would walk this league and so far they haven't. I think deep down most WHU fans realise that the business model of gold and sullivan is just one big gamble and if somehow they mess it up this season they will be in a bit of bother...again. Should the worst happen and we somehow fail to go up (something I am very confident we will not do) then we will still be in a very strong position for next year. Hardly anyone will want or need to leave and we will go again and still be within the infamous 5 year plan to get to the prem. WHU on the other hand will have to off load their high earners. On topic though I think Billy Sharp "will become" Premier League class as he and the team develop and we add more and more quality. Top players tend to fall into 3 catagories; whizzkids who burn out by late twenties (e.g. Owen, Walcott (maybe) Lee Sharp).....Players who mature as they age and improve year on year and end up at the top(e.g.Sheringham, lineker, Channon, LeTiss, Lundekvam,)......whizzkids who actually last and get better (e.g.Rooney, Shearer, Giggs, Scholes spring to mind). Sharp, lambert, lallana, Cork, Morgan, Lee (possibly), Hooiveld, Fox (probably), Richardson (possibly) all fit into the middle category as does the club itself. I think based on his signings so far that is exactly the philosophy behind player selection - for the first team. The "whizzkid signings" will all be for the development and U18 squads. To ask if Sharp is good enough and not ask if the rest are good enough is a little selective as only one or two have played there before. Only time will tell but the great thing about our team is that they are at similar stages of their footballing development and that fits very nicely with where the club is right now. As Nigel said...The futures bright, it's Red and White (not Claret and blue!!-he didnt say that bit!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 The moment WH sacked Zola i disliked them, top guy and manager and if he stayed he would of kept them up, i dont care about them getting promoted, its gonna happen, as long as we go up il be happy, we have more money in the bank, there debts are still there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 West Ham don't get promoted, Portsmouth go bust and we go up as champions......Would be a pretty decent season in my opinion The Treble...I like it. Celtic fan sent me another treble that involved them winning the SPL (tick), Rangers doing a 'skates' (tick) and something to do with Ian Paisley.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 Every season we seem to get another set of fans with an obsession about us....sad lot really Ignore them all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Columb Saint Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 His team formation is based on 5 as well, 5 defenders and 5 forwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 LOL @ this thread. Big Sam is a knob is he?? A manager that has taken a small club like Bolton to their highest ever premier league finish, managed one of the countries biggest clubs in Newcastle, was doing a great job at Blackburn before being shafted and now has West Ham top of our league. No he doesn't know what he is talking about, is a knob and can f*ck off, us internet posters know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 Every season we seem to get another set of fans with an obsession about us....sad lot really /QUOTE] Not surprising really as we are their major rival at the moment. I think West Ham are showing ambition and expect them to be automatically promoted Big Sam is one of the Top English managers not many better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 Falling hook, line and sinker for Big Sam mind games really isn't something you want to be admitting to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkiesaint Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 Its hardly a closed question that Sharp can make it in the premier league, he hasn't got amazing pace or unstoppable raw power. In that sense Maynard is less of a risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkiesaint Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 I agree, if w. ham are not promoted i will be very surprised. They have a premier league quality squad. The best we can hope is that they take points off our rivals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 Stunted pornographer David Sullivan is such a twonk he doesn't even know his own birthday. He was born on 1 Feb, 1949. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketphilly Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 I agree, if w. ham are not promoted i will be very surprised. They have a premier league quality squad. The best we can hope is that they take points off our rivals. I spend my time watching whats going on in third place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 LOL @ this thread. Big Sam is a knob is he?? A manager that has taken a small club like Bolton to their highest ever premier league finish, managed one of the countries biggest clubs in Newcastle, was doing a great job at Blackburn before being shafted and now has West Ham top of our league. No he doesn't know what he is talking about, is a knob and can f*ck off, us internet posters know better. And Harry Redknapp has done more. He's still a knob though. More than a knob actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 It does make me laugh how a lot of people think a player has a set level of ability and are either good enough or aren't, i guess that's what comes from looking at stats on Football Manager. Surely it as much about being at the right club, playing in the right system, having a manager who can get the best out of you, fitness and mentality as much as ability? Oviously some will never be good enough but others might, you dont have a record of a goal every other game in the championshp by being a crap player. Grant Holt for example, a decent lower league striker for most of his career, now doing a decent job in the premier league, i dont doubt most people would have laughed when he was playing for Rochdale that one day he'd make a decent premier league striker, i exepct they thought he lacked the pace that so many are obsessed with to do so. If he was asked to chase the ball into the channels and make runs in behind the defence then he wouldn't be a premier league striker, he cant do that, but plays in a system which gets the best out of what he is good at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 who cares what they think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 Couldn't possibly judge yet, but with Holt, Graham and Morison doing a job there, as well as Yakubu, I would say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 It does make me laugh how a lot of people think a player has a set level of ability and are either good enough or aren't, i guess that's what comes from looking at stats on Football Manager. Surely it as much about being at the right club, playing in the right system, having a manager who can get the best out of you, fitness and mentality as much as ability? Oviously some will never be good enough but others might, you dont have a record of a goal every other game in the championshp by being a crap player. Grant Holt for example, a decent lower league striker for most of his career, now doing a decent job in the premier league, i dont doubt most people would have laughed when he was playing for Rochdale that one day he'd make a decent premier league striker, i exepct they thought he lacked the pace that so many are obsessed with to do so. If he was asked to chase the ball into the channels and make runs in behind the defence then he wouldn't be a premier league striker, he cant do that, but plays in a system which gets the best out of what he is good at. 110% this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 LOL @ this thread. Big Sam is a knob is he?? A manager that has taken a small club like Bolton to their highest ever premier league finish, managed one of the countries biggest clubs in Newcastle, was doing a great job at Blackburn before being shafted and now has West Ham top of our league. No he doesn't know what he is talking about, is a knob and can f*ck off, us internet posters know better. In fairness none of those achievments stop him being a knob. Lots of people who achieve things could be classed as Knobs..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 Oh the irony of Fat Sam banging on about Premiership quality. He got sacked from a couple of Premiership clubs for not being good enough, he's now managing in the NPC as he's not Premiership quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesb Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 I really effing hate big sam, west ham and their idiot porn peddling slaggy owners. that is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 LOL @ this thread. Big Sam is a knob is he?? A manager that has taken a small club like Bolton to their highest ever premier league finish, managed one of the countries biggest clubs in Newcastle, was doing a great job at Blackburn before being shafted and now has West Ham top of our league. No he doesn't know what he is talking about, is a knob and can f*ck off, us internet posters know better. Good lord - I agree with Turkish! Granted that Sam is not very likeable and a moaning g1t but as a manager he is effective. Now, I must go and lie down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 So Big Sam revealing yet further he's pretty thick. Excellent. Is this obsession with the number 5 a reason behind his formations as well? What about all the good footballers who weren't born on February 5th Sam? So 4 or 5 are, wow. Guess how many people you need in a room to make it likely 2 share a birthday? 23. That's all. People don't understand probability do they. Kudos for sharing my favourite stat, please tell me you learned it on here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 Good lord - I agree with Turkish! Granted that Sam is not very likeable and a moaning g1t but as a manager he is effective. Now, I must go and lie down Yes, hate to say it about the negative whinge bag but he is effective. The other manager that I have a serious aversion to is Neil Warnock but again, I have to say he is damn effective in getting clubs into the prem. Despite their records I still wouldn't like us to hire either of them though, the daily moaning and whining would be too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 Yes, hate to say it about the negative whinge bag but he is effective. The other manager that I have a serious aversion to is Neil Warnock but again, I have to say he is damn effective in getting clubs into the prem. Despite their records I still wouldn't like us to hire either of them though, the daily moaning and whining would be too much. If they were here i'm sure you'd disagree. Most fans moan like f*ck when their team loses or doesn't get a big decision. Moaning about referees, linesmen, pitches, opposition players etc. i'm sure your manager was doing exactly that more often than not you'd find yourself agreeing with the manager. And if you're winning, who gives a f*ck if the manager moans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 I would go further than big Sams assessment of Sharp. He does not look Premier quality, even going back over all his performance. He is carrying injuries, unfit and over weight. Even worse, he really adds nothing to what we have got already as far as a plan B and Ricky looks like he is even playing further back when together. I still would not knock the purchase because we are not in the Premier and Billy is a very good Championship player, even looking useful in his current state. When you look at all the activity that went on in the window, nothing stands out and grabs you as outstanding. I would not rate Maynard that great in comparison. The best bit of news we have had recently seems to be Puncheon, with early hopes for Chung. If we can get all our players fit I would be more than happy. Connolly is good enough but just cant do the volume of games. If Billy can come good for the last 10 -12 games that could easily be the best £1.75M we have spent in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenSaint Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 If we keep doing what we did on saturday, playing sharp for 45 then lee for 45 and we keep winning, it's the best 1.75 million we ever spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 What exactly are people basing their judgements of Premiership quality on? Goals? Pace? Strength? Past record? Turkish has made the most sense so far when he said that it is all down to a number of factors but most importantly, the system in which the player is used. Allegedly, Chaplow wasn't good enough for Preston in the Championship. But now he's there with us and he's a first choice when he's fit. Puncheon was misfiring all over the place in League 1 under Pardew (first part of promotion season). Then he went on loan to Championship Millwall and did brilliantly. He also did pretty well at Premier League Blackpool. But, not so well at Premier League QPR. It's very narrow minded of people to be so black and white about things like this, especially with your own club. Be a bit more positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkie saint Posted 23 February, 2012 Share Posted 23 February, 2012 Didnt WH make enquiries about Adam recently? our attacking players cant be that bad if they were interested in him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 24 February, 2012 Share Posted 24 February, 2012 Not according to Big Sam and West Ham's dirty owner he isn't. QUOTE] as per Sam's opinion of Billy Sharp's as Premier quality... ..coming from second to bottom...to second to top..another training regime at SMS...a bit overweight, perhaps Billy(?).... No Sam, not Premiership quality yet, but let's wait till NEXT SEASON, and see who's in which League and who's scoring goals, shall we ? My money would be on Billy to rival anyone you've got at WHU..(unless you do sign Tevez , of course...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 24 February, 2012 Share Posted 24 February, 2012 meIf we keep doing what we did on saturday, playing sharp for 45 then lee for 45 and we keep winning, it's the best 1.75 million we ever spent. They both have a need "to adjust " (in different ways) to a squad that's (more or less) been together for a couple of seasons. I think 45/60 mins. each for the next month is a good idea..they both get goal chances but don't have to extend themselves for 95 mins. every game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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