supergoose Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 Anyone hear Nick Illingsworth's P*mey rant on Solent today? He was asked his views on their administration which prompted him to question why they're still able to sign players particularly given that we had to make do with our kids when we were in admin. The presenter virtually had to cut him off - he was right though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 Cue, a load of anti Illingsworth posts saying "he dont speak for us..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 He doesn't speak for me. But he's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 The bloke's bit of a tool but he is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 Who is this Illingsworth fellow did he used to play for us in the 80's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 They signed George Thorne on loan on Saturday http://www.wba.co.uk/page/News/0,,10366~2615317,00.html which is not right! Keith Hill the Barnsley manager also on Pompey. T"hey've spent money they can't afford. They've recruited players at the beginning of the season knowing full well they were still in debt from the previous time they were still in administration," said the Barnsley boss. "They've recruited players that I could not afford to recruit, and they are paying the type of wages that I could only dream about paying. So how can I have sympathy for any football club who is competitive against me in a league where I have got not the same rich rewards? "They are spending money they haven't got, so why should I have sympathy? [Manager] Michael Appleton, yes, the players, yes, the supporters - but what they are doing, absolutely not whatsoever." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 I see that wierdo nineteen canteen has forgotten to take his pills and is having a go at solent about nothing on solentsport twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 WBA are paying 100% of his wages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 Who is this Illingsworth fellow did he used to play for us in the 80's He posts on here...... Username Ronmanager! Fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 He may well be right but I can't forgive Solent for giving him airtime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 WBA are paying 100% of his wages Not the point and really should not matter. The FA or football league should impose a transfer embargo of incoming players for all clubs in admin. Why should they be able to strangthen in there position? It is not right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 The main reason I have no sympathy is that this can all be traced back to their paying ridiculous wages to Campbell, James, Crouch, Defoe, Johnson etc to win the FA Cup. There you are, have your few seasons of unprecedented success, but don't get all upset when it comes back to bite you. I hope they go down and struggle for a reasonable amount of time. I do not hope they go out of business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 I remember being at Bournemouth when they signed Jermain Defoe's cousin (or something) on loan, Anthony Edgar. Bournemouth were in admin at the time, or had a transfer embargo, but were depleted due to injuries. Someone at the FA gave them the go ahead to get him on loan, but when that person's superior found out, there was all kinds of chaos. I'm wondering who said it was okay for them to get Thorn, and if they're getting their arses kicked now...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 He posts on here...... Username Ronmanager! Fact Chibs ya bassa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 Chibs ya bassa. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 Not the point and really should not matter. The FA or football league should impose a transfer embargo of incoming players for all clubs in admin. Why should they be able to strangthen in there position? It is not right. Exactly right. WBA may be paying wages but there will be additional coasts to Pompey involved; travel expenses, living expenses, even his training kit etc, its an additional cost, however large or small it may be. So the first thing they have done since enerting administration is to increase their costs. Brilliant. Insolvency laws in this country surrounding football clubs really are an utter joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 For sure he's right and his heart is in the right place. It's just that when he was created somehow his a*rshole ended up where his mouth is. As for the Skates, they must have someone big, some big organisation helping them break every rule in the rule book. Surprised dune hasn't sussed that one out long ago. Last week HRH CharlieBoy admitted he was a Burnley supporter. With all the Royal Families naval links I wouldn't mind betting HRH the Duke of E is pulling their strings somewhere or being held accountable for one or two naughty deeds with a fish or two. Let us not forget mention all the inbreeding that's taken place in Skatesville over the past couple of centuries since Nelson caught the clap the night before he set sail on the Victory heading for Trafalgar, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 Could this thread exceed 1,000 pages ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 Heard the interview on the way home from work. Completely agree with what he said. He wasn't having a Rant, just gave his opinion on the question put to him. He is bang on the money stating that p*mpey are losing any sympathy that other clubs/fans had. Presenter did'nt have to virtually cut him off either. Have'nt agreed with a lot of what Illingsworth has said/done but there was nowt wrong with this! He was actually fairly restrained about it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 The guy is a complete tool, but like 99% of us, he understands the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 The guy is a complete tool, but like 99% of us, he understands the situation. Have you ever met him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 The bloke's bit of a tool but he is right. He's more of a Saints fan than you'll ever be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 Have you ever met him? I'd rather Colinjb was voice of the fans. He writes fascinating blogs and starts the 'Man of the Match' threads. Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 (edited) I like Nick, never had a problem with him. He does not speak for me, but has some interesting views, and seems to always be contacted for the 90's times whenever someone wants to talk Saints or football on the South Coast. Let's face it, he did help head up the best Southampton Football Club fanzine of all time. He is a good person, who believe it or not has the best interests of Southampton FC at heart. I think most of us on here have the best for Southampton FC at heart, with how we see things, and how things should be done, but you would not think so when reading some of the posts. Edited 20 February, 2012 by Dr Who? Wrong here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 I like Nick, never had a problem with him. He does not speak for me, but has some interesting views, and seems to always be contacted for the 90's times whenever someone wants to talk Saints or football on the South Coast. Let's face it, he did help head up the best Southampton Football Club fanzine of all time. He is a good person, who believe it or not has the best interests of Southampton FC at heart. I think most of us on hear have the best for Southampton FC at heart, with how we see things, and how things should be done, but you would not think so when reading some of the posts.Agreed! Although I don't agree with a lot of what he says re: The Trust etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 Quite why the media make a beeline to him as a voice of the Saints fandom is a mystery. But certainly on this matter he has voiced the opinion not only of us, but what most other fans must think about the disgraceful shenanigans that the Skates get up to. It is a travesty that they continue to bleat about their shortage of fit players and yet refuse to play the reserves and kids like other teams in a similar situation would have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 He's more of a Saints fan than you'll ever be. Yes, of course. Does he cuddle you after? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 How's about us all Tweeting the Football League and getting other clubs who've been in Administration to do the same. Here's their official Twitter account https://twitter.com/#!/football_league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 I'd rather Colinjb was voice of the fans. He writes fascinating blogs and starts the 'Man of the Match' threads. Brilliant. Nonsense. The whole idea of a 'voice of the fans' is complete rubbish. Fanbases will have a spread of opinion in them by definition so to have and perpetuate that one man is the voice of the fans is something extremely wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 Quite why the media make a beeline to him as a voice of the Saints fandom is a mystery. This comes down to the fact that the media don't have a massive phoneback packed with numbers of different Saints fans. They probably only have him and Perry McMillian on the list, and I know whose opinion I'd rather hear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 Nothing changes, talk, talk, and more talk and no action to do something about it. The worse period in our history was when Michael Wilde had voices of the fans. Decent folk but in the end they only made matters worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 Nonsense. The whole idea of a 'voice of the fans' is complete rubbish. Fanbases will have a spread of opinion in them by definition so to have and perpetuate that one man is the voice of the fans is something extremely wrong. Thank god we never got a FOTB then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir woody Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 Have you ever met him? I've known nick for years and there is nothing wrong with him. He's a decent bloke, a huge saints fan. Leave him alone and don't judge him unless you actually know him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 This comes down to the fact that the media don't have a massive phoneback packed with numbers of different Saints fans. They probably only have him and Perry McMillian on the list, and I know whose opinion I'd rather hear! Really? They're a lazy and unimaginative lot then, aren't they? After all, it must be incredibly easy to gain independent opinions from fans of any club. Easy enough to go to the stadium before a match, as the Football League show did. Or if the local media wished to have some different opinions from a greater array of support, then they must have regulars who they receive comments from. If they are impressed with the intelligence of their comments and feel that they are expressed in an erudite way, then easy enough to suggest that they might like to express an opinion on current club matters as they arise and to ask whether they would mind contributing something if they were contacted. What is pitiful, is when they dress it up as being on behalf of Southampton Trust, or Southampton Independent Supporters Association or such like, when those organisations are currently pretty well non-existent and a total irrelevance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 Really? They're a lazy and unimaginative lot then, aren't they? Maybe, but they are also busy. Editor or Producer tells someone to get a view from a Saints fan so they pick up contacts book and ring Nick. Job done. How they dress it up is down to them. Nick may not front an organisation that counts or even exists, yet people still know him and he does run the Ugly Inside. Quite often now you'll see a fan interviewed from a random club and it will be someone who just runs an online site. If there was an alternative Saints Supporters Association then maybe the media would amend their contacts book to incorporate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 told ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 I agree with some of the above posts, i remember nick well from foley's coaches days and he was always a nice bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 I dont mind nick, he has saints firmly in his heart, and on this occasion he has echoed what the majority of us would say. Lets not start with this if you dont know him dont judge him crap though, anyone that puts himself as a punlicised rentaqoute immediatelly puts themselves up for an opinion. And seeing as the spoken word is far more powerful then nearly every other action you are obviously going to judge him on what he has said, far to often, in opposition of most other fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 What is pitiful, is when they dress it up as being on behalf of Southampton Trust, or Southampton Independent Supporters Association or such like, when those organisations are currently pretty well non-existent and a total irrelevance. That is indeed unforgivable. And while Nick Illingsworth has indeed done that in past, in his guise on Solent he is simply representing himself as the editor of online fanzine The Ugly Inside. And he is very welcome to his voice in that guise IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzie Saints Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 I agree with some of the above posts, i remember nick well from foley's coaches days and he was always a nice bloke. Yep gotta agree with that, always had a riot on foleys coaches, never a dull moment. Nicks a great guy unfortuantely being a spokesperson is always a thankless job, but you always need someone to do it, but as usual very few want the hassle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithd Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 I've known nick for years and there is nothing wrong with him. He's a decent bloke, a huge saints fan. Leave him alone and don't judge him unless you actually know him. pretty much agree with this. only met him a couple of times, used to have a few chats on the ugly with him, seems a decent bloke and gets far too much stick than he deserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 I have known Nick for a number of years although I don't agree with everything he says but his heart is in the right place and he is red and white through and through. Everyone has their own opinion and there have been times when I have listened to him on Solent and I have thought for christ sake shut up Nick, I had Solent on in the car on the way home yesterday and he was bang on the money with his comments with regard to them down east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 For sure he's right and his heart is in the right place. It's just that when he was created somehow his a*rshole ended up where his mouth is. As for the Skates, they must have someone big, some big organisation helping them break every rule in the rule book. Surprised dune hasn't sussed that one out long ago. Last week HRH CharlieBoy admitted he was a Burnley supporter. With all the Royal Families naval links I wouldn't mind betting HRH the Duke of E is pulling their strings somewhere or being held accountable for one or two naughty deeds with a fish or two. Let us not forget mention all the inbreeding that's taken place in Skatesville over the past couple of centuries since Nelson caught the clap the night before he set sail on the Victory heading for Trafalgar, Good 'old' Art! Sure to bring a bit of fun to the thread. HRH and Nelson in the same piece as 'the clap'. Every one a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 The point everyone seems to be missing is that Pompey technically are allowed to sign Thorne, or shall I say re-sign. When a club goes into administration, they are placed under a transfer embargo, which Pompey are. This stops them from signing new players, more specifically, obtaining a new players rights to play for them. However, Pompey already held Thorne's rights due to his previous loan spell at the club (this was obtained before they went into admin), therefore they are permitted to re-sign Thorne on-loan, as long as no fee is involved and WBA pay 100% of his wages, which they are. I know it's not right, but it's a loophole which they have exploited, so Illingsworth is wrong (probably why he got cut off) It's the same loophole which allowed us to permanently sign Hooiveld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 Whatever anybody says about Nick, would much rather hear what he has to say than the final 3 members of SISA (McMillan, O'Callaghan and Chorley). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 22 February, 2012 Share Posted 22 February, 2012 I have rarely agreed with Nick in the past but his comments in the last few seasons have been very good. This time he is bang on the money - or in PFC case lack of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 22 February, 2012 Share Posted 22 February, 2012 Whatever anybody says about Nick, would much rather hear what he has to say than the final 3 members of SISA (McMillan, O'Callaghan and Chorley). Therein lies the the issue that folks have with Nick, he is put in the same basket as the militant shop stewards without a Union McMillan & Chorley so consider him one and the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 22 February, 2012 Share Posted 22 February, 2012 Really? They're a lazy and unimaginative lot then, aren't they? After all, it must be incredibly easy to gain independent opinions from fans of any club. Easy enough to go to the stadium before a match, as the Football League show did. Or if the local media wished to have some different opinions from a greater array of support, then they must have regulars who they receive comments from. If they are impressed with the intelligence of their comments and feel that they are expressed in an erudite way, then easy enough to suggest that they might like to express an opinion on current club matters as they arise and to ask whether they would mind contributing something if they were contacted. What is pitiful, is when they dress it up as being on behalf of Southampton Trust, or Southampton Independent Supporters Association or such like, when those organisations are currently pretty well non-existent and a total irrelevance. The 'man on the street' thing is just a bit of staple content for news features to try and inject a bit of colour. As for alternatives to NI, I don't think there's a huge amount of candidates out there... Maybe we should have a poll for it? Personally I don't think we could get much better than the OP of this thread: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?35887-Chappers-(Richard-Chaplow!)!-! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 22 February, 2012 Share Posted 22 February, 2012 Sorry, I have to put my two eggs in here. I don't know the man so I can only judge him on his actions. I'm sure he is a really nice feller to those that know and love him, however: - The dabcle of the shindig he organised at the Wembly for the Johnsons paint trophy. Still disappointed in the way he dealt with the aftermath. I have to apologies to people on a daily basis for things that are beyond my control and for just doing the job my firm are paid for. - Allowing himself to be quoted as the Chairman of the Saits Trust - His season ticket came back and he decided to fight it in public. Sorry, but a simple 'no comment' can suffice. If he wishes to carry the mantle and exist in the public eye, he has to take the critism as well as the praise, I'm afraid. As do all those that live in the public eye and like publicity that they control, and then use Super Injunctions to hide behind when it goes the other way. And I do agree with him, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andover_Saint07 Posted 22 February, 2012 Share Posted 22 February, 2012 WBA are paying 100% of his wages Correct and its under the youth loan system thats how they can pay the wages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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