doddisalegend Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 Piping up. Point to where I said either was crap? Richardson I like, he's been absolutely outstanding since he got here and I suggested earlier in the season that he could well be considered for player of the season. Perhaps you read my report of the Cardiff game where I described his crossing as woeful. It was and sometimes is. He either puts in the perfect cross or an absolute shocker, nothing inbetween. As for Fox, well for the thousandth time, he has great ability on the ball, but lacks pace, doesn't get to the byline much, seen him do it two or three times all season, nor does he get tight enough defensively - because he lacks pace and doesn't want to get caught behind. His crossing is also erratic. He's taken about 300 free kicks and corners FFS and we have one of the biggest sides in the league. You'd hope for one or two assists. I certainly don't think he's crap, but I do wonder about us spending £2m on a fullback without pace. Mind you, with it he'd be in the Prem, still might be I guess. "Less impressed every time I see him" was a relatively recent description of Fox, but since then I've given him 8 out of 10 for the last few games so things change. I'm happy with both, but no one is going to tell me their crossing is beyond criticism. Good post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 So you don't like him becuase he is popular with saints fans........................... If that pleases you. My logic behind it is the lad can do no wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 Really liked Harding last season, thought he was one of our best players. However, Fox is a step up in terms of quality. Whenever Harding has played at LB recently we haven't played well at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-ross Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 Piping up. Point to where I said either was crap? Richardson I like, he's been absolutely outstanding since he got here and I suggested earlier in the season that he could well be considered for player of the season. Perhaps you read my report of the Cardiff game where I described his crossing as woeful. It was and sometimes is. He either puts in the perfect cross or an absolute shocker, nothing inbetween. As for Fox, well for the thousandth time, he has great ability on the ball, but lacks pace, doesn't get to the byline much, seen him do it two or three times all season, nor does he get tight enough defensively - because he lacks pace and doesn't want to get caught behind. His crossing is also erratic. He's taken about 300 free kicks and corners FFS and we have one of the biggest sides in the league. You'd hope for one or two assists. I certainly don't think he's crap, but I do wonder about us spending £2m on a fullback without pace. Mind you, with it he'd be in the Prem, still might be I guess. "Less impressed every time I see him" was a relatively recent description of Fox, but since then I've given him 8 out of 10 for the last few games so things change. I'm happy with both, but no one is going to tell me their crossing is beyond criticism. This is exactly my view. Danny certainly did have a great game on saturday. He is a much better player when he's playing the ball on the deck or with purpose rather than the hoofball he has been playing in previously since he joined us. As stated above, as a primary set piece taker, many less assist would have to be percieved as pretty poor. I'm glad it looks at though his game is improving, but lets face it, it does seem as though a lot of praise has come from the fact 2 corners were bundled in, and Lallana put away a great finish. Credit where credit's due though, lets hope he continues to play like he did saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 Harding is and always has been suspect defensively for me, yes he gives it 100%, yes he berrates the ball boys but thats not always enough !! He had a solid enough season last year against league 1 opposition, but still cost us goals, he is just mot quite good enough for what we are trying to achieve and frankly scares me when played at RB i.e trying to show nugent onto hardings left foot the other night ! Fox is much better player, and 1.8 mil for a top LB in the NPC, from a team not looking to sell ? Well thats not that much of a bad deal TBH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 Harding is and always has been suspect defensively for me, yes he gives it 100%, yes he berrates the ball boys but thats not always enough !! He had a solid enough season last year against league 1 opposition, but still cost us goals, he is just mot quite good enough for what we are trying to achieve and frankly scares me when played at RB i.e trying to show nugent onto hardings left foot the other night ! Fox is much better player, and 1.8 mil for a top LB in the NPC, from a team not looking to sell ? Well thats not that much of a bad deal TBH Don't think anyone is saying Harding is a particularly good player, or better than Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 It's not his fault he was signed for 2mil. We shouldn't be giving Harding (who I nevertheless like) an easier ride just because he was signed for less...Fox is the better player for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 Where can you find reliable player stats for the Championship? The ESPN ones do not seem right to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Chris Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 Interesting to note that he's been left out of the Scotland squad for next week's game... Odd indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 Fox is head and shoulders above Harding, both attacking and (dare I say) defending. Harding, to me, was one of the weak points last season, he was at fault for a number of goals. Don't get me wrong, I know every player makes mistakes and will, at some point, be at fault for us conceding a goal, but Harding really does worry me sometimes with his positioning and decision making. I also think Fox is a tougher character, Brighton away is perfect evidence, Harding was being tormented both on and off the pitch and ended up having to be taken off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 Interesting to note that he's been left out of the Scotland squad for next week's game... Odd indeed. Good, no need for him to get injured playing for that poxy team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pressingon Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 Don't think anyone is saying Harding is a particularly good player, or better than Fox. Three people voted him MOTM against Derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 Three people voted him MOTM against Derby. Ha ha, shall we name and shame them? That tackle he made towards the end of the game was f*****g horrific, regardless of anything else he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 Ha ha, shall we name and shame them? That tackle he made towards the end of the game was f*****g horrific, regardless of anything else he did. My parents sit in the Kingsland and said it was a red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 My parents sit in the Kingsland and said it was a red. Not only that, it was completely and utterly unnecessary. Not impressive at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 Not only that, it was completely and utterly unnecessary. Not impressive at all. Was it at 4-0? It was late in the second half, was a crazy tackle to make at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 Was it at 4-0? It was late in the second half, was a crazy tackle to make at that time. Think so and their lad was going nowhere fast right by the corner flag. Not seen a replay of it, but it looked terrible from the middle of the Northam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 Fox is very good going forward as our last game conclusively showed, but defensively there's a hell of a lot of empty space on our right at times. Now that's OK against the likes of Derby, but against better sides we're going to get hurt. ..... oh it's worth remembering that Dan Harding played a big part in getting this club where it is today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 Fox is very good going forward as our last game conclusively showed, but defensively there's a hell of a lot of empty space on our right at times. Now that's OK against the likes of Derby, but against better sides we're going to get hurt. ..... oh it's worth remembering that Dan Harding played a big part in getting this club where it is today. No it isn't, when going up through the leagues there is no time for sentiment, he was a good league 1 LB, but now he just isn't good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 (edited) If that pleases you. My logic behind it is the lad can do no wrong. You must have hated MLT!! He could also do no wrong. You clearly have a problem with Harding for whatever reason, maybe 'cos he's got the fittest missus? Harding is a very good back up to have. Fox is clearly first choice and rightly so. I'm quite surprised his assists are so high as I don't remember many. But there again, I suppose he takes an awful lot of free kicks and corners. He plays the crossfield Hollywood ball far too often IMO. I do love his passion though!! His celebration for the goal against Pompey was legendary! Edited 21 February, 2012 by Golden Balls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 (edited) Guys, I don't know what the problem is. YES, Fox lacks pace. BUT, his set piece delivery is creating many goals for us. Would we rather have him a bit faster but without the goals? How many times this season has his lack of pace cost a goal versus his 8 assists? IF we want a better left back we need to pay £5m plus because we are talking an International standard player. Please name the left backs with more than 8 assists in the ccc or premiership this season before you criticise him. And Harding is a good player too! PS number one in the EPL is Ashley Cole with 6 assists to date for your information.... Edited 21 February, 2012 by Giordano got number of assists wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 You must have hated MLT!! He could also do no wrong. You clearly have a problem with Harding for whatever reason, maybe 'cos he's got the fittest missus? Harding is a very good back up to have. Fox is clearly first choice and rightly so. I'm quite surprised his assists are so high as I don't remember many. But there again, I suppose he takes an awful lot of free kicks and corners. I do love his passion though!! His celebration for the goal against Pompey was legendary! Who is she? I've only ever seen him out with blokes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 Been a very good signing, and to have nearly 20 assists from our two full backs alone is fantastic. Fox still plays the long straight or diagonal ball a little too often at times IMO and too many times doesn't reach the desired target with those, but apart from that he's been great. Had a superb game Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 Who is she? I've only ever seen him out with blokes... Don't know her name but she's fantastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COMEONYOUREDS Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 De Ridder is pretty poor. And he has a mouth like a cats arsehole Harding is not up to it in the championship, he has gone backwards since last year and when played on the right it makes difficult viewing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 Don't think anyone has said he is ****, just that some haven't been totally convinced. At times this season he has been prone to the long ball too often, and as Chez has pointed out, is unwilling to venture too far forward because he doesn't have the pace to get back. He's got a great delivery on him which is what makes it even more frustrating that he doesn't get towards the byline where his crossing would be a huge threat from open play, as he did for Lallana's goal on saturday. I would have a guess that 80% of his assists have been from set pieces this season, and there is no doubt he can be a real threat from a dead ball situation. He doesn't like to get tight to wingers because he doesn't want them flying past him, but i think that is just sensible defending if you are aware of your limitations. I would like to think over the summer the coaches will try and get him as fit as humanly possible which will hopefully give him the confidence to get forward a bit more, which in turn will bring the best out of Lallana as it will create more space for him. He's a decent player but there is a lot of room for improvement, but you can't fault his committment or attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 No it isn't, when going up through the leagues there is no time for sentiment, he was a good league 1 LB, but now he just isn't good enough. In your view it's not even worth remembering this players contribution in getting us where we are today ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerceSaint28 Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 The left back position is one of the hardest positions in football to fill as there is such a lack of quality in that position it is unreal... Even at world level...beyond Ashley Cole, Evra and Marcelo you are struggling...in the Prem...Cole, Evra...maybe Assou Ekoto is okay Then the Championship...Fox is clearly the best left back in the division...yes £1.7 mill was a decent whack but in terms of ROI, he is easily worth it... He will do well in the Prem as well...it was a cracking signing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 De Ridder is pretty poor. And he has a mouth like a cats arseholeWhat a very odd observation?? So his mouth (in your view) resembles one of those old desktop pencil sharpeners. Why is that relevant to his football ability though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 In your view it's not even worth remembering this players contribution in getting us where we are today ? Yes remember it, but his contribution in the past doesn't warrant him a place in our side. Using your debate, we should have Beattie and Ormerod up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbojones10 Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 here is football league official stats, http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/DivisionalAssists/0,,10794~20117,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 here is football league official stats, http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/DivisionalAssists/0,,10794~20117,00.html That's quality, we have 3 players up in the top of that chart. Shows we're no where near a one man team IMO, as our goals and assists come from all over the show. We're just a good team which that demonstrates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 That's quality, we have 3 players up in the top of that chart. Shows we're no where near a one man team IMO, as our goals and assists come from all over the show. We're just a good team which that demonstrates. Goes to show how great Lambert is 16 league goals and joint top assists (9) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 Goes to show how great Lambert is 16 league goals and joint top assists (9) I kind of expect that from him. In his first season with his he got 39 goals in all comps and 28 assists iirc. Awesome and way too good for that league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 That's quality, we have 3 players up in the top of that chart. Shows we're no where near a one man team IMO, as our goals and assists come from all over the show. We're just a good team which that demonstrates. True, but stats only tell you so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 Yes remember it, but his contribution in the past doesn't warrant him a place in our side. Using your debate, we should have Beattie and Ormerod up front. It has been a part of my secret agenda to get Brett Omerod back here for years now, so the fact that you can see through me quite so easily gives me cause for alarm - damn you pesky kids !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 here is football league official stats, http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/DivisionalAssists/0,,10794~20117,00.html Interesting to see Guly is the player who commits the most fouls within our team!!!???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genk Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 I love Foxy. He is quality and the passion he shows is great to see. When he ran out at Pompey he was pumped up going absolutely nuts, then winding their fans up...love to see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doughnutman Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 Im sure one of the ITKs on here mentioned that scouts from Tottenham had had Fox watched over January so he must have something about him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 (edited) 3 assists on saturday which now puts him on 13 and above Frazer Richardson who the echo were hailing on friday as some sort of creative genius. It's great that we have two superb attacking full backs like this. Compare his stats to Hardings, who has managed just one assis. IN fact Fox has more assists in his 25 games for us than Harding has in his entire time at Saints according to ESPN stats. What with him being much better defensively than Harding as well, what a great signing he is turning out to be, a real key man for us. A superb signing. http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/5479/dan-harding?cc=5739 Worth pointing out that Fox takes corners and free-kicks which significantly raises his likelihood of registering assists. Almost all of Richardson's assists are from open play. Also, had Harding not hacked that ball out for a corner against Cheats they'd have probably scored 30 seconds earlier, it was a vital saving challenge at the time. Edited 21 February, 2012 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 Fox is acceptable but has his faults, which many on here have listed. He is improving since he came here, thankfully. Richardson for me is the better defender than Fox. As for Harding, there are areas of his game where he is better than Fox and there are parts of Fox's game where he is superior. Of the two of them, I accept now that Fox would be the first name on the team sheet, but I'm not that worried whenever Harding is selected, as he is good back-up and always gives 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 February, 2012 Share Posted 21 February, 2012 Worth pointing out that Fox takes corners and free-kicks which significantly raises his likelihood of registering assists. Almost all of Richardson's assists are from open play. Also, had Harding not hacked that ball out for a corner against Cheats they'd have probably scored 30 seconds earlier, it was a vital saving challenge at the time. Sorry mate, but thats plain wrong, it was a hashed and needlesly paniced clearance from memory, and watching him offer Nugent so much space to shoot against us only highlighted his fragile defensive instincts IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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