Danny Fox

[Turkish]

3 assists on saturday which now puts him on 13 and above Frazer Richardson who the echo were hailing on friday as some sort of creative genius. It's great that we have two superb attacking full backs like this. Compare his stats to Hardings, who has managed just one assis. IN fact Fox has more assists in his 25 games for us than Harding has in his entire time at Saints according to ESPN stats. What with him being much better defensively than Harding as well, what a great signing he is turning out to be, a real key man for us. A superb signing.

 

 

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/5479/dan-harding?cc=5739

[Thedelldays]

I remember when we signed him....the usual footballing experts on here, the ones that said we should sign craig mackail-smith, the ones who said adkins is out of his depth, the ones who were 'worried' at the signing of hooiveld.........they said we did not need fox as we had..(get this) DICKSON..!!!!

[kpturner]

Well if I had known you were going to start a whole new thread about it I wouldn't have bumped the Millwall reaction thread - where a couple of people implied that our fullbacks are not up to the task

[Turkish]

Well if I had known you were going to start a whole new thread about it I wouldn't have bumped the Millwall reaction thread - where a couple of people implied that our fullbacks are not up to the task

 

24 assists between them this season. Shocking.

[Appy]

Excellent player, really passionate as well, head and shoulders above Harding.

[kpturner]

24 assists between them this season. Shocking.

Well Chez and Saint Fan CaM can now pipe-up and tell us how crap they are again then. Can't cross and never get to the byline it seems.

[View From The Top]

Fox is chuffing quality, although he still sits off the right winger too much for my liking!

 

His ball in for the 3rd goal at Cov' was the best I've seen this season by some distance.

[Crazy Diamond]

I was a little bit sceptical, maybe wary is a better word, when we signed him but I've never understood those who don't rate him. The assists number is incredible. Very quickly made me change my mind.

[saintmatt]

Superb player, an amazing amount of our play goes through him considering he's a full-back - takes me back to the days when a certain Gareth Bale was one of our main creative forces!

[saintscottofthenortham]

Wow. 8 posts without some tit saying Harding is better than Fox.

 

As per OP, Fox is shít hot. That is all.

[mitch01]

His delivery is superb at times but I'm not sure theres much between him and Harding in open play.

[saintscottofthenortham]

His delivery is superb at times but I'm not sure theres much between him and Harding in open play.

 

Oh do shut up.

[shurlock]

Like the fact that Fox give's a sh*t and stands up to be counted but the jury's still out on whether he's justified £2m price tag.

 

A hell of a lot of money for a LB and while I prefer him to Harding I also expected more. Richardson has been the outstanding fullback by a country mile and he cost peanuts by comparison.

[saintscottofthenortham]

Like the fact that Fox give's a sh*t and stands up to be counted but the jury's still out on whether he's justified £2m price tag.

 

A hell of a lot of money for a LB and while I prefer him to Harding I also expected more. Richardson has been the outstanding fullback by a country mile and he cost peanuts by comparison.

 

Lol. Maybe the 13 assists and 90% solid displays has something to do with the price tag? Jury still out...? FFS.

[shurlock]

His delivery is superb at times but I'm not sure theres much between him and Harding in open play.

 

Harding probably created more than Fox from open play on Sat and he was playing out of position

[saintscottofthenortham]

Harding probably created more than Fox from open play on Sat and he was playing out of position

 

That'll be why Harding had... thats it, NO assists then.

[Turkish]

Wow. 8 posts without some tit saying Harding is better than Fox.

 

As per OP, Fox is shít hot. That is all.

 

I wondered how long it would take. Harding benefits from a lot of Saints fans prerequieste beliefs that a player that runs around a lot automatically makes him great. Look at the hero worship De Ridder gets despite his contribution this season being one goal against Reading and the odd 10 minutes here and there. Compare that to Guly and the slating he gets despite being 1,000 times more effective.

[saintscottofthenortham]

I wondered how long it would take. Harding benefits from a lot of Saints fans prerequieste beliefs that a player that runs around a lot automatically makes him great. Look at the hero worship De Ridder gets despite his contribution this season being one goal against Reading and the odd 10 minutes here and there. Compare that to Guly and the slating he gets despite being 1,000 times more effective.

 

But Turkish...

 

Guly is sh*t.

[Turkish]

But Turkish...

 

Guly is sh*t.

 

De Ridder aint exactly great. The point is that he's proven to be a lot more effective than De Ridder but one is a hero and the other is regularly slated. The only reason i can think of is that one runs around a lot and achieves f*ck all and the other doesn't. Anyway, dont want to turn this into another Guly thread. This is about what a great signing Fox has been.

[shurlock]

Lol. Maybe the 13 assists and 90% solid displays has something to do with the price tag? Jury still out...? FFS.

 

13 assists? you're seeing double mate. Its more like 7 or 8 - the vast majority of which have come from set pieces (and some of the setpieces he's served up have been garbage). His backing off has scared the sh*t out of me at times - Bristol C away being a good example. I like him and he's looked sharper in the last 3 games but £2m is steep for a LB and he's still got some way to go to justify that figure. Unless you're easily satisfied...

[Appy]

13 assists? you're seeing double mate. Its more like 7 or 8 - the vast majority of which have come from set pieces (and some of the setpieces he's served up have been garbage). His backing off has scared the sh*t out of me at times - Bristol C away being a good example. I like him and he's looked sharper in the last 3 games but £2m is steep for a LB and he's still got some way to go to justify that figure. Unless you're easily satisfied...

 

To be fair at Bristol City he was horrendously exposed, Adomah would've torn most defenders a new one that day.

[saintscottofthenortham]

De Ridder aint exactly great. The point is that he's proven to be a lot more effective than De Ridder but one is a hero and the other is regularly slated. The only reason i can think of is that one runs around a lot and achieves f*ck all and the other doesn't. Anyway, dont want to turn this into another Guly thread. This is about what a great signing Fox has been.

 

I was only joking dear.

13 assists? you're seeing double mate. Its more like 7 or 8 - the vast majority of which have come from set pieces (and some of the setpieces he's served up have been garbage). His backing off has scared the sh*t out of me at times - Bristol C away being a good example. I like him and he's looked sharper in the last 3 games but £2m is steep for a LB and he's still got some way to go to justify that figure. Unless you're easily satisfied...

 

However many assists he has, it's a shed load more than the pile of w*nk that Dan Harding is. You say about Fox's backing off, are you on a wind up? I would soon lose digits if I was to count how many goals Harding has cost us by his persistent backing off! It has driven me mad from the day he walked out at SMS. Fox has been a 100% improvemnt on the left hand side defensively and although it has took time for him & Lallana to form a partnership down the left, thats what happens with new signings. AL & DH didn't exactly click instantly.

[View From The Top]

To be fair at Bristol City he was horrendously exposed, Adomah would've torn most defenders a new one that day.

 

True, but it was a total roasting.

 

I remember it happening to Harding at Carlisle last season as well.

[shurlock]

However many assists he has, it's a shed load more than the pile of w*nk that Dan Harding is. You say about Fox's backing off, are you on a wind up? I would soon lose digits if I was to count how many goals Harding has cost us by his persistent backing off! It has driven me mad from the day he walked out at SMS. Fox has been a 100% improvemnt on the left hand side defensively and although it has took time for him & Lallana to form a partnership down the left, thats what happens with new signings. AL & DH didn't exactly click instantly.

 

One thing not liking Harding and its bleedingly obvious you dont rate him; quite another saying that Fox has fully justified his £2m transfer fee. I only have an issue with the latter point.

[Turkish]

13 assists? you're seeing double mate. Its more like 7 or 8 - the vast majority of which have come from set pieces (and some of the setpieces he's served up have been garbage). His backing off has scared the sh*t out of me at times - Bristol C away being a good example. I like him and he's looked sharper in the last 3 games but £2m is steep for a LB and he's still got some way to go to justify that figure. Unless you're easily satisfied...

 

It's actually 10 according to Wiki, i thought it was 10 + the three from Saturday, not sure if that includes them or not, either way it's still bloody impressive. Harding has one this season from just under half the games.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_Southampton_F.C._season

 

 

And it's great that we have player that can put a decent set piece in. Yes some haven't been great but name me a player that gets it right everytime, guess what if he did he wouldn't cost £2m and be playing on the championship.

[doddisalegend]

Fox is chuffing quality, although he still sits off the right winger too much for my liking!

 

His ball in for the 3rd goal at Cov' was the best I've seen this season by some distance.

 

That he drives me nuts the amount of space he gives the oppostion some times. As Fox takes most of our free kicks and corners you can see where his assits come from the third goal on saturday was one of the few times he has got forward with any purpose. I still think for 1.8 million he is not that great.

[saintscottofthenortham]

One thing not liking Harding and its bleedingly obvious you dont rate him; quite another saying that Fox has fully justified his £2m transfer fee. I only have an issue with the latter point.

 

Why hasn't he? He has a cracking attitude, puts 110% in every minute he is on that pitch. Great threat down the left. Creates space around him (for Lallana & Lambert), great delivery, great set pieces (that we have yet to see the best of because of SRL) and he has earned us 10 (or more) goals. He is a great addition and I have absolutely no question about his price tag.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Well Chez and Saint Fan CaM can now pipe-up and tell us how crap they are again then. Can't cross and never get to the byline it seems.

 

Blimey, I'm famous. (;

 

Seriously though, it just goes to show what can be achieved when they ARE firing on all cylinders. Unfortunately there have been times over the last 2 months when it's not been like that. Consistency will win you leagues and make you Champions.

[Thedelldays]

That he drives me nuts the amount of space he gives the oppostion some times. As Fox takes most of our free kicks and corners you can see where his assits come from the third goal on saturday was one of the few times he has got forward with any purpose. I still think for 1.8 million he is not that great.

no doubt half of that was up front...so how on earth would you spend that to get better for money..?

are there many...if any better LB in the league..?

[Monk]

Fair play Turks, decent thread. Also fair play to Frazer and Danny, that is one hell of a stat.

[doddisalegend]

Wow. 8 posts without some tit saying Harding is better than Fox.

 

As per OP, Fox is shít hot. That is all.

 

Did you catch Harding f ucking your misses or some thing? I don't know why but you've had it in for Harding since ptretty much day one. Is Harding the best left back in the world? of course he ain't but I've never seen him give less than a 100% and he has made enough of a contribution to the club to warrant a bit more respect than the sh it you give him.

[doddisalegend]

no doubt half of that was up front...so how on earth would you spend that to get better for money..?

are there many...if any better LB in the league..?

 

Maybe you're right but when I look at the likes of Jack Cork, Rickie Lambert, Dean Hammond and Chaplow who all came in for less than a Million not to mention Harding (for nothing) 1.8 million seems a hell of a lot for a player.

[Thedelldays]

Maybe you're right but when I look at the likes of Jack Cork, Rickie Lambert, Dean Hammond and Chaplow who all came in for less than a Million not to mention Harding (for nothing) 1.8 million seems a hell of a lot for a player.

most of those you mention are from league 1.........when you have to pay for a 1st team player in the NPC from a club who are not tight for cash....it becomes different....anyway, name me 2 other LBs in the NPC that are better..?

[corky morris]

I remember his performance at Bristol City & thought he had a nightmare. He was not going past Lallana - that is what he has corrected. I thought against Burnley he looked a to by much much better.

My brother in law is a Posh season ticket holder who was at their game with Brizzle on Saturday & he said Adomah was shocking & they were the worst team he had seen all season. Just goes to show how quality will always eventually shine through & everyone has a poor game.

I think Adkins places a lot of emphasis on stats in the way Oakland did with the baseball. He mentioned again Fox's crossing ratio in his post match interview. I think that is why SDR is not regarded with the same regard as people like Guly or Chaplow.

Well done Fox - you have settled in well.

Just for the record though - if we go up, it would not surprise me if within 12-18 months the whole back 5 is changed!!!!

[saintscottofthenortham]

Did you catch Harding f ucking your misses or some thing? I don't know why but you've had it in for Harding since ptretty much day one. Is Harding the best left back in the world? of course he ain't but I've never seen him give less than a 100% and he has made enough of a contribution to the club to warrant a bit more respect than the sh it you give him.

 

To be honest, my problem with him is that so many Saints fans have their tongues stuck so far up his arse I just can't hack it. He really isn't good. That is all. I appreciate he gives his all and that he done a job, but we have a marked improvement in Fox IMHO.

[View From The Top]

I remember his performance at Bristol City & thought he had a nightmare. He was not going past Lallana - that is what he has corrected. I thought against Burnley he looked a to by much much better.

My brother in law is a Posh season ticket holder who was at their game with Brizzle on Saturday & he said Adomah was shocking & they were the worst team he had seen all season. Just goes to show how quality will always eventually shine through & everyone has a poor game.

I think Adkins places a lot of emphasis on stats in the way Oakland did with the baseball. He mentioned again Fox's crossing ratio in his post match interview. I think that is why SDR is not regarded with the same regard as people like Guly or Chaplow.

Well done Fox - you have settled in well.

Just for the record though - if we go up, it would not surprise me if within 12-18 months the whole back 5 is changed!!!!

 

Think we'd keep Jos. The young Derby keeper I'd have.

 

Told DJ 11.30 @ Spread Eagle on Saturday. He's sorting out parking I think.

[Jonnyboy]

The stats don't lie, I guess a few people like myself were finding our blip a bit stressful once it reached 9 weeks long.

[Chez]

Well Chez and Saint Fan CaM can now pipe-up and tell us how crap they are again then.

Piping up. Point to where I said either was crap?

 

Richardson I like, he's been absolutely outstanding since he got here and I suggested earlier in the season that he could well be considered for player of the season. Perhaps you read my report of the Cardiff game where I described his crossing as woeful. It was and sometimes is. He either puts in the perfect cross or an absolute shocker, nothing inbetween.

 

As for Fox, well for the thousandth time, he has great ability on the ball, but lacks pace, doesn't get to the byline much, seen him do it two or three times all season, nor does he get tight enough defensively - because he lacks pace and doesn't want to get caught behind.

 

His crossing is also erratic. He's taken about 300 free kicks and corners FFS and we have one of the biggest sides in the league. You'd hope for one or two assists. I certainly don't think he's crap, but I do wonder about us spending £2m on a fullback without pace. Mind you, with it he'd be in the Prem, still might be I guess.

 

"Less impressed every time I see him" was a relatively recent description of Fox, but since then I've given him 8 out of 10 for the last few games so things change.

 

I'm happy with both, but no one is going to tell me their crossing is beyond criticism.

Edited 20 February, 2012 by Chez

[SNSUN]

I like Harding, he's a good professional and a hard worker, and he was one of my favourite players last season, but Fox is a step up in class. Fox could play in the Premiership. Harding couldn't. (Well he could but he'd be on a par for effectiveness as Stephen Crainey.) Having never seen Dickson play, I avoid judging him, but it's obvious he'd not in Adkins' plans.

 

Whatever league we're in next season, I reckon we'll see Harding more and more phased out, and Shaw more and more phased in.

 

As for the "if we go up I could see the whole backline being changed thing", I think that we'll see Fox, Fonte and Jos for a while to come yet. Martin will stick around as cover too. Richardson would be the one I could see being replaced eventually, but I think Adkins has one eye on Stephens and Shaw being the full backs eventually.

[CFSFC]

Had adkins not replaced him for Harding v Pompey theyd be 5 points adrift, we'd be 4 points clear and we'd have won at fratton.

[Turkish]

Had adkins not replaced him for Harding v Pompey theyd be 5 points adrift, we'd be 4 points clear and we'd have won at fratton.

 

I agree with you there mate, one of the strangest decisions of the season. We were comfortable at 1-0, they hardly threatened and Fox was playing well. Really dont understand what the reasoning behind that substitution was.

[View From The Top]

I agree with you there mate, one of the strangest decisions of the season. We were comfortable at 1-0, they hardly threatened and Fox was playing well. Really dont understand what the reasoning behind that substitution was.

 

Nor do I.

 

It was loudly pointed out on Saturday, when he row z'd a ball for a throw, that if he'd done that at Fratton we'd have won.

[saintmatt]

I think Fox is the better player but equally think Harding is a terrific option to have as back up - he's being given a bit too much of a hard time by some on here.

[Monk]

Nothing wrong with Harding, has his moments but nine times out or ten, most players do.

 

Anyone remember Niemi's 'worst' every game for us?

 

Fox is better, Harding is good.

[saintmatt]

Had adkins not replaced him for Harding v Pompey theyd be 5 points adrift, we'd be 4 points clear and we'd have won at fratton.

 

Everyone makes mistakes, Harding was just unlucky to make one of his in a game we'll remember. And if we're allowed to backtrack from the Guly mistake that day, why can't we backtrack to the mistake (or to the player who gave the ball away) that lead to Harding being in the position where he put it out for the corner?

 

P*mpey would also be 4 points adrift

[Lallana's Left Peg]

If Danny Fox was a full-back who could completely shut-down his winger he'd be playing for a team far better than us. For what he brings us in terms of his passing, composure, delivery, and a little bit of nastiness it by far outweighs his negatives when played in our system.

 

We aren't set-up to defend for long periods so in that respect we attempt to eliminate his weaknesses, as he isn't what great defender in that sense. But since we defend by retaining the ball he is great for us and his contribution is significant.

[Sour Mash]

3 assists on saturday which now puts him on 13 and above Frazer Richardson who the echo were hailing on friday as some sort of creative genius. It's great that we have two superb attacking full backs like this. Compare his stats to Hardings, who has managed just one assis. IN fact Fox has more assists in his 25 games for us than Harding has in his entire time at Saints according to ESPN stats. What with him being much better defensively than Harding as well, what a great signing he is turning out to be, a real key man for us. A superb signing.

 

 

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/5479/dan-harding?cc=5739

Statto geek.

[Turkish]

Statto geek.

 

Hey, i'm just trying to fit in around here. He's a great signing though mate, dont you agree?

[Sour Mash]

Piping up. Point to where I said either was crap?

 

Richardson I like, he's been absolutely outstanding since he got here and I suggested earlier in the season that he could well be considered for player of the season. Perhaps you read my report of the Cardiff game where I described his crossing as woeful. It was and sometimes is. He either puts in the perfect cross or an absolute shocker, nothing inbetween.

 

As for Fox, well for the thousandth time, he has great ability on the ball, but lacks pace, doesn't get to the byline much, seen him do it two or three times all season, nor does he get tight enough defensively - because he lacks pace and doesn't want to get caught behind.

 

His crossing is also erratic. He's taken about 300 free kicks and corners FFS and we have one of the biggest sides in the league. You'd hope for one or two assists. I certainly don't think he's crap, but I do wonder about us spending £2m on a fullback without pace. Mind you, with it he'd be in the Prem, still might be I guess.

 

"Less impressed every time I see him" was a relatively recent description of Fox, but since then I've given him 8 out of 10 for the last few games so things change.

 

I'm happy with both, but no one is going to tell me their crossing is beyond criticism.

I make you and Shurlock right on this. He's a good player, but stats like that only tell you so much. Edited 20 February, 2012 by Sour Mash

[doddisalegend]

To be honest, my problem with him is that so many Saints fans have their tongues stuck so far up his arse I just can't hack it. He really isn't good. That is all. I appreciate he gives his all and that he done a job, but we have a marked improvement in Fox IMHO.

 

So you don't like him becuase he is popular with saints fans...........................