doddisalegend Posted 18 February, 2012 Share Posted 18 February, 2012 Right having had the chance to see Sharp a couple of times I'm impressed with his movement and postioning. He gets in to dangerous postions which is half the battle for a striker. However watching him today he looks awfully slow and off the pace, seemed to get beaten to the ball quite a few times by Derby defenders, and just looks knackered after a short time. Does anyone else think that the fitness trainning at Donny might not be up to Nigels exacting standards? I'm hoping the saints back room staff can work their magic with Billy like they have with Lambert becuase I reckon if we can find Billy an extra yard of pace he will be one hell of a player. In the mean time Lee looks sh it hot to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 18 February, 2012 Share Posted 18 February, 2012 I thought he lacked a bit of pace today, I'm hoping we do what we did with Lambert. Bring in an already very good goal scorer, sort them out to be much fitter than before and just generally improve them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 February, 2012 Share Posted 18 February, 2012 I fear it may be a little lack of confidence, he looks to me like a man who is putting himself under pressure to deliver. He scored in his last home game but the performance he put in at Upton Park wasn't the best. He needs to score an important goal (not a knee in by an opposing defender...) to really get himself going. Once he is away he'll thrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 18 February, 2012 Share Posted 18 February, 2012 I remember Adkins describing him as "fit, but not Saints fit". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN MY DAY Posted 18 February, 2012 Share Posted 18 February, 2012 Impressed with his movement and ability but he is along way short of being fit, too early to be disappointed but sharp needs to look sharper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 18 February, 2012 Share Posted 18 February, 2012 Fat lad from sheffield his words not mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 18 February, 2012 Share Posted 18 February, 2012 His twitter account says`fat lad from Sheffield', what did you all expect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simples Posted 18 February, 2012 Share Posted 18 February, 2012 I heard from someone recently that it took Jos Hoiveld 7 weeks to get to the fitness required at Saints. So, just a matter of time then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 18 February, 2012 Share Posted 18 February, 2012 Is it possible the twitter stuff earlier in the week affected him slightly in the build up to the match ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 18 February, 2012 Share Posted 18 February, 2012 Think he'll turn out to be a cracking signing but Nigel has already said he's got some niggles which may be impacting on his fitness & sharpness. Add that to him needing to adapt to the team & them to him & the problem is possibly exacerbated. Once over his injuries & fully fit & he'll be fine for us & a great foil for Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supergoose Posted 18 February, 2012 Share Posted 18 February, 2012 Billy's going to be awsome once he's 'saints fit'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 18 February, 2012 Share Posted 18 February, 2012 Not sure he's ever going to pacey - however much we work on his fitness. What stood out was not so much his lack of fitness as his poor touch - can that be improved simply through more fitness work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 February, 2012 Share Posted 18 February, 2012 I think it's a combination of a lack of confidence and not being quite up to our standards of fitness. It's always good if a striker gets off to a good start at gets a goal early on, but he's still waiting at the mo (there is no way I'm giving him the goal against Burnley....). What you can say though is that his movement is terrific, he's always making clever runs on the shoulders of the centre backs - and he works his flaming arse off. If he carries on that, gets fitter, and gets a goal - then they'll start flowing. I'm pretty sure of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 18 February, 2012 Share Posted 18 February, 2012 His twitter account also says he follows Skate players. No seen him but since he arrives he's been involved in more bad things than good. Must be difficult commuting from one end of the country to the Southern Riviera but then moving from the Far East to play in the UK takes guts and can't be easy for Chung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 February, 2012 Share Posted 18 February, 2012 (edited) I remember Adkins describing him as "fit, but not Saints fit". Is that like Adkins asking people if players were Jonno quick? There is doubting the lads goal scoring ability, he'll be a big player for us, just needs time to settle. Edited 19 February, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 Sharp has started his saints career similar to barny did 2 years ago Am sure he would have got a goal if he had been on pitch in 2nd half Best thing the boy can do is just work on a partnership with rickie & adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 I'm not surprised he has started like this. I got slated on here when he signed and I said he was nothing special and overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 Think he'll turn out to be a cracking signing but Nigel has already said he's got some niggles which may be impacting on his fitness & sharpness. Add that to him needing to adapt to the team & them to him & the problem is possibly exacerbated. Once over his injuries & fully fit & he'll be fine for us & a great foil for Lambert. This is correct, plus the fact he is about 10 lbs over weight. He will be a very good player again but I think it's going to take a big chunk of this run in to see that. What I don't agree with is the fit with Lambert. I would prefer to have seen the type of player who gives us a different option and takes Lambert's game to another level. You can definitely see the possibilities but it will be based around Billy scoring shed loads with Lambert giving up some of his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 Right having had the chance to see Sharp a couple of times I'm impressed with his movement and postioning. He gets in to dangerous postions which is half the battle for a striker. However watching him today he looks awfully slow and off the pace, seemed to get beaten to the ball quite a few times by Derby defenders, and just looks knackered after a short time. Does anyone else think that the fitness trainning at Donny might not be up to Nigels exacting standards? I'm hoping the saints back room staff can work their magic with Billy like they have with Lambert becuase I reckon if we can find Billy an extra yard of pace he will be one hell of a player. In the mean time Lee looks sh it hot to... Given the obvious factor of injuries etc, Donnie's side doesn't look THAT bad on paper, but of course they don't play games on paper... I just think he's been trained poorly and hasn't got upto speed with a top of the table side yet, but agree he looks the part..though maybe not for 90 mins. yet I think NA will give both him and Lee 45 mins. each for a few games to see who develops best .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 Our style is quite advanced compared to other teams. Donny don't have anyone on our players level so of course he will take time to adapt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 Whatever happened to signing a player and them earning the right to get selected in the team. He did not do that and has been thrown in for starts straight away instead of getting games from the bench as we bed him in. There is no way he should have been selected before Guly and Connolly up front. There is an argument for him being selected before Lee as he has bags of Championship experience but after Lee's goal yesterday he has slipped behind him for now. Sharp will come good, that there is no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genk Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 Nigel said he has a couple of knocks, so that is probably affecting him. Love him and he is going to be quality for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 When Beattie recommended Saints to Billy, I hope he didn't pass on all the addresses of the muffin parlours he used to frequent. 10 lbs overweight is nothing, he should have easily lost that amount since his arrival unless due to injury he has been told to wait till they've cleared up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 Sharp will come good, that there is no doubt.why do you say that, he didn't at Sheffield United? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 playing for donny to playing for saints....any wonder why it will take time to settle...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 (edited) why do you say that, he didn't at Sheffield United? Billy did very well in his career - both before and after his time at Sheff.Utd. where he scored 12 times in 51 games, but it should be remembered that part of that time James Beattie was quite successful in his time at Sheff Utd. and was their first choice striker. During the loan period and subsequent signing Billy was very good at Donnie and his strike rate was up around 0.50% goals per game (an excellent figure). Overall, Billy has scored 120 goals in 263 games, a good figure in itself (even allowing for the low water mark in his time at Bramall Lane). Donnie were a half-reasonable side last season, but this season really have dropped down a lot. However, he was good enough to score against Saints when Donnie took 3 points off us in December. He hasn't been subject to the Saints training regime for very long and can hardly be expected to look like " the finished article " in only a few games. If he's going to be any real good this season, we should see some results by Easter time. Edited 19 February, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 on another note....remember some having a break down because we never sign craig mackail-smith...? can't make the 1st team at brighton anymore and is on the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 on another note....remember some having a break down because we never sign craig mackail-smith...? can't make the 1st team at brighton anymore and is on the bench He's just a L1 goal scorer tbh. The same happened to him with Posh the last time they were up, he scored goals - about 8 or 9 - but no where near as prolific as in L1. Can't believe they forked out up to £3.5m for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 19 February, 2012 Author Share Posted 19 February, 2012 He's just a L1 goal scorer tbh. The same happened to him with Posh the last time they were up, he scored goals - about 8 or 9 - but no where near as prolific as in L1. Can't believe they forked out up to £3.5m for him. I'll be honest I thought he'd do better this time out...very much a player who is all about hard work rather than silky skills. Then again maybe Posh just played to his strengths and Brighton don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 I remain to be convinced about young Master Sharp - but maybe his hat trick against Watford on Saturday will convince me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 After an NA pre-season he will be fine, losing that surplus weight like Lambo did. Until then, he can rotate with Connolly / Chung and give a good 30 minutes at full throttle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 Sharp will get an extra yard of pace, and a lot more stamina, in the next month or so. Adkins and the coaches will see to that. He's a clever forward and will definitely come good for us IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 (edited) After an NA pre-season he will be fine, losing that surplus weight like Lambo did. after a pre-season he'll be in the Premiership. Can he cut it up there? Hope so. Edited 19 February, 2012 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 after a pre-season he'll be in the Premiership. Will he can cut it up there? If he gets the service, I honestly think he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 on another note....remember some having a break down because we never sign craig mackail-smith...? can't make the 1st team at brighton anymore and is on the bench He had ONE good season in the four he had at Posh. Strikers are dependant on the service they get and the other players around them. Because someone moves clubs they don't automatically take their success with them...eg.. Andy Carroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 Watch him in interviews - he looks petrified. I know it's very early on, but it's possible he hasn't got the bottle to perform at bigger clubs. Hope i'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgoose Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 Watch him in interviews - he looks petrified. I know it's very early on, but it's possible he hasn't got the bottle to perform at bigger clubs. Hope i'm wrong. I agree that he does look a little like a fish out of water in some ways and it doesn't look as if he is settling as quickly as I thought he would. I am slightly concerned that it's going to take a while. However, if anyone can develop him it's NA whom he knows and has worked with in the past. As a previous poster mentioned, a good NA pre-season and I reckon he'll be fine. In the meantime we can afford to 'blood' him in gently considering we still have Lee and Connelly as backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 Watch him in interviews - he looks petrified. I know it's very early on, but it's possible he hasn't got the bottle to perform at bigger clubs. Hope i'm wrong. dear god....what a load of over analytical tosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 dear god....what a load of over analytical tosh Nothing's being over analysed. The blokes looked properly nervous since he signed for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 Nothing's being over analysed. The blokes looked properly nervous since he signed for us. how on earth do you equate that.......maybe he does not like being interviews on camera..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 Nothing's being over analysed. The blokes looked properly nervous since he signed for us. He'd probably been warned about how our fans write players off after one game and over analyse everything they do. It would make anyone nervous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 Remember it's been a tough year for him for obvious reasons and now he has to settle with a lot of expectations on his shoulders. The lad deserves plenty of time to get things sorted both physically and mentally . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 Nothing's being over analysed. The blokes looked properly nervous since he signed for us. Paul Scholes always looked like he wanted to be anywhere but in front of the camera when being interviewed & he did ok!! I guess it's something not everyone is comfortable with & hopefully it's not indicative of his state of mind as a player. For me, it's more about losing the niggles, gaining fitness & fitting into our patterns of play before we'll see his best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgoose Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 Remember it's been a tough year for him for obvious reasons and now he has to settle with a lot of expectations on his shoulders. The lad deserves plenty of time to get things sorted both physically and mentally . Absolutely agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 Remember it's been a tough year for him for obvious reasons and now he has to settle with a lot of expectations on his shoulders. The lad deserves plenty of time to get things sorted both physically and mentally . S'right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 February, 2012 Share Posted 19 February, 2012 (edited) I remember Adkins describing him as "fit, but not Saints fit". That sounds about right - look at Richardson's lethargic performances last season after his pre-season injury compared to him this season when he had a full pre-season behind him, it's been the difference between him chipping 40 yarders generally at Lambert because he was knackered and bombing up and down past defenders and whipping crosses in. A "Saints-fit" Sharp will be ripping defences apart with his movement, he causes plenty of problems now just by being a second finisher up with Rickie. Also, he's got a very stocky build, he'll look "fat" even when he's at about 5% body fat. Edited 19 February, 2012 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 Nothing's being over analysed. The blokes looked properly nervous since he signed for us.[/QUOTE] good observation Saint Clark... noted that on TV interview he said," I've come from a club second to bottom - to one that is second from top " ...Guess he knows the score already. What we paid for is his potential goal tally for next season - not his problems with acclimatising to SFC only a month after arriving ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 (edited) A "Saints-fit" Sharp will be ripping defences apart with his movement, he causes plenty of problems now just by being a second finisher up with Rickie. Also, he's got a very stocky build, he'll look "fat" even when he's at about 5% body fat.[/QUOTE] I seem to recall that Steve Moran always seemed to look " a bit chubby " or should I say "stocky," but it didn't stop him banging in the goals ! Edited 20 February, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 People thought Beattie was a tubby bloke in reality he had a swimmers shoulders and a barrel chest that just created the illusion. If Sharp was a pit pony I doubt we would have pursued him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 20 February, 2012 Share Posted 20 February, 2012 People thought Beattie was a tubby bloke in reality he had a swimmers shoulders and a barrel chest that just created the illusion. If Sharp was a pit pony I doubt we would have pursued him. ...we shouldn't forget that "size" doesn't always mean everything! I grew up watching the team with George O'Brien as a striker. Only 5' 6" and was 11 stone when we signed him, and steadily put on weight afterwards. Not the trainer's dream boy either, but he still managed to bang in 180 goals in 281 starts (1959-1965) George didn't wait to see the whites in the goalies eyes, and could hit them - left or right foot - from anywhere, and took a pretty mean penalty, too. I hope Billy's aggresive style will create the sort of panic in the box that another former Saint did (in same team as O'Brien) GEORGE KIRBY..few who saw him will ever forget him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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