Matthew Le Tissier Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 How can you defend that mate. If they don't confront the guy or report it at the time. If they find it that offensive, why come on the Internet and winge about it. Once again as you can't seem to read, and only choose to read what you want to read. If the original poster was offended enough by the comments to start a forum post then he should have at least reported the incident to a steward if he didn't want to confront the offender which is understandable. I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Can of worms: opened. Out of interest, what did bartosz bialkowski do to get himself banned? Cant have been anything on this thread, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Maybe he couldn't catch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Can of worms: opened. Out of interest, what did bartosz bialkowski do to get himself banned? Cant have been anything on this thread, surely? I think the offending post has been removed from this tread....shocking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 You will also see my response post on post 33, but the orinial post from him that I quoted has also been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Now you see if I was half as good with words and putting things across much better, than I am with numbers, this is what I would have put! SPOT ON! Calling a Pompey fan a skate is different. It's derogatory and implies they are sub human or animals, simply because of who they support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Calling a Pompey fan a skate is different. It's derogatory and implies they are sub human or animals, simply because of who they support. Now I know you are on a wind up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Calling a Pompey fan a skate is different. It's derogatory and implies they are sub human or animals, simply because of who they support. The difference being Pompey fans are sub human animals. I've got one I keep in the garden because it's just impossible to litter train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 You will also see my response post on post 33, but the orinial post from him that I quoted has also been removed. Well what did he post then? Feel free to pm if its not suitable for general consumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 I get the feeling you're offended by this because you feel you should be, rather than because it genuinely offends you. Aren't you the same one that was giving it out the fenian **** on the Hooper thread? Sounds to me like you're the one who's got their issues wrong. What was said was racist bull****. Personally i'd pull the person up on it at the time (as i have in the past), but then i'm a youngish bloke and not to worried about these things, can totally understand why some others wouldn't though and fair play to them that's their choice. There's no ****ing place for that in Southampton if you ask me, i mean i spent most of my life in st mary's and i know my asian and black mates would've gone ****ing nuts if they'd heard it. Just one stupid racist **** is one to many for me and we should all stand up to them however we feel we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedmaul Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 Some people do rail against "the good old days, before the PC brigade took over" When we were free to equate other humans as monkeys, and throw bananas at them. The same killjoys stop people from making jokes about black people being similar to monkeys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 Some people do rail against "the good old days, before the PC brigade took over" When we were free to equate other humans as monkeys, and throw bananas at them. The same killjoys stop people from making jokes about black people being similar to monkeys. As said before, it's a can of worms; surely it would have been best, at the nearest opportunity, of had a word with the nearest steward or police man/woman who's duty-bound to deal with it, going home and THEN phoning or contacting the club seems a bit vindictive and could be left open to someone suggesting you made it up. As said before, it needs to be stamped out and immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 Thank god for lighthouse. Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarm Saint Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 Dear me...making a mountain out of a molehill here...move on and get over it...I would appreciate someone throwing bananas at me!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 (edited) Report it, it's racism in football. Edited 13 February, 2012 by BlakeySFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 There is a difference between some of the Japanese stereotypes being aimed at Tadanari Lee and implying a black person is a monkey. Jokes about killing whales, eating dogs and saying "oh reary!" are at worst silly and a bit tired. It's not actually abusing him, it's just upholding some long standing stereotypes about Japanese culture. You could say the same about the Americans being fat, French being stubborn, Scots being alcoholics, Welsh being sheep sh*ggers... basically every nationality or culture has stereotypes which are un-PC but on the whole completely harmless. Calling a black person a monkey is different. It's derogatory and implies they are sub human or animals, simply because of their appearance. There is also a long history of suffering, particularly amongst the African-American slave trade and the hundreds of years battling for equality which followed. I can't believe anyone can either support or justify this alleged incident. It's the kind of mindless neanderthal behaviour which died out in the '80s amongst anyone with half a brain cell and I'm embarassed it took that long. I very good report here from someone on the receiving end of racial abuse which backs up some of what you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 Same sh1t....different thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 Why didnt you say something at the time or if you were obviously not bothered enough to take exception to the offender personally why did you not inform a steward at the earliest oppurtunity ? Taking it home with you and reporting it in this way is as cowardly as the original act imo, the time has gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 I found a Jim Davidson LP in my dad's old record collection so I had a listen to see how reprehensible it is. To be honest it was pretty bad but you can't help laughing at how out of order he is. Like it's a live show and when he starts on with the chalky stuff he goes hold on a second have we got any in? And when he can't get the house lights turned up he invites them to smile. Nasty stuff really but every one there was laughing like drains. I don't know they were racists though I think by and large the joke was on Jim. Obviously I've reported my dad to the police now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 I was quite surprised to hear someone say thay hear racist comments all the time at SMS. In the Itchen 4, I never hear anything like that, whats it like in general for the rest of the ground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 Dear me...making a mountain out of a molehill here...move on and get over it...I would appreciate someone throwing bananas at me!!! That sort of comment shows a total lack of understanding of the issue. I think the original poster should have reported it at the time or ignored it rather than posted it on here and looked for seat numbers but it was clearly a racist comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 I was quite surprised to hear someone say thay hear racist comments all the time at SMS. In the Itchen 4, I never hear anything like that, whats it like in general for the rest of the ground? I dont know where all these racists are, i've sat in all 4 parts of the ground and been going regularly since 1985, i cant remember the last time i heard a racist comment at a Saints game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 It always amuses me how people are offended by it from behind their computer screen but not a single person was offended enough to say anything at the time or report him then. This.... If something is as blatantly offensive as you found this banana quip, then why not confront the person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 I dont know where all these racists are, i've sat in all 4 parts of the ground and been going regularly since 1985, i cant remember the last time i heard a racist comment at a Saints game. I've sat everywhere but the Northam, though mostly I'm a Chapel ender, never heard any rascism either. I'm sure it goes on in a crowd of 25,000 people there's bound to be a few racists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 I'd never grass on a fellow saint. Seriously. Except for rape or being a nonce (although in those cases I'd prefer "natural justice") Loose lips sink ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Saint Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 Have you ever thought that the guy got a bit carried away and made a mistake which he regretted later? If you report him for this one mistake then he could get banned from St. Mary's? And then the little girl you said he was with would suffer aswell. I think the first course of action would be to tell him to tone it down....not to set serious wheels in motion. How many times have you heard "see you next Tuesday" in public? That is the most demeaning word you can say about women. Have you reported that? Suarez got a slap on the wrist....this guy would get worse. Racism is bad, but at least give the alleged perpetrator a warning before you take away his first love....Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 Have you ever thought that the guy got a bit carried away and made a mistake which he regretted later? If you report him for this one mistake then he could get banned from St. Mary's? And then the little girl you said he was with would suffer aswell. I think the first course of action would be to tell him to tone it down....not to set serious wheels in motion. How many times have you heard "see you next Tuesday" in public? That is the most demeaning word you can say about women. Have you reported that? Suarez got a slap on the wrist....this guy would get worse. Racism is bad, but at least give the alleged perpetrator a warning before you take away his first love....Saints. Most sensible thing I've read on here in ages. I doff my hat to you sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 I was called an English Bastard on Friday night In Orkney. Some will say it is not racist as Im not of ethnic origin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 Have you ever thought that the guy got a bit carried away and made a mistake which he regretted later? If you report him for this one mistake then he could get banned from St. Mary's? And then the little girl you said he was with would suffer aswell. I think the first course of action would be to tell him to tone it down....not to set serious wheels in motion. How many times have you heard "see you next Tuesday" in public? That is the most demeaning word you can say about women. Have you reported that? Suarez got a slap on the wrist....this guy would get worse. Racism is bad, but at least give the alleged perpetrator a warning before you take away his first love....Saints. Too late, the forum has spoken. He's guilty and will be stoned to death on the pitch at the next home game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 Aren't you the same one that was giving it out the fenian **** on the Hooper thread? Yes. I'm honoured my posts are so ingrained in your memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 Have you ever thought that the guy got a bit carried away and made a mistake which he regretted later? Indeed. Seing a Burnley player getting treated by a physio always gets me into an enraged fury, I can barely contain myself. I'd never grass on a fellow saint. Seriously. Except for rape or being a nonce (although in those cases I'd prefer "natural justice") Loose lips sink ships. So playground rules is it? How far are you willing to go with that? If you walk in on me sh*gging your missus is it alright if I'm wearing a Saints shirt at the time? Or does "no grassing" only apply if it's someone else who has been wronged and not you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 I find it faintly ridiculous that the OP has been chastised for raising the issue - it's hardly an event you want to be privy to. Seriously, if you're just a football match to enjoy Saints ripping the oppostion a new one, I think it's pretty natural not to want to enter conflict. I've been threatened with a lot more than strong words for challenging somebody in the crowd for less. Sure, there's little can be done after the event, but that doesn't make the issue go away. It's a natural reaction to be taken aback and not pipe up instantly. Perhaps next time that person decides to make a similar remark there'll now be more people in the area aware and willing to challenge? Don't we have a text service for reporting racist abuse and so on? Give that a buzz if it happens next time and see how the club wishes to deal with it. It's one thing for the crowd nearby not to speak against racist abuse, but surely nobody's going to deny hearing it if it comes to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 Indeed. Seing a Burnley player getting treated by a physio always gets me into an enraged fury, I can barely contain myself. So playground rules is it? How far are you willing to go with that? If you walk in on me sh*gging your missus is it alright if I'm wearing a Saints shirt at the time? Or does "no grassing" only apply if it's someone else who has been wronged and not you? why would he grass on you if he caught you ****ging his missus? You'd get ironed out in that scenario, although it would never happen as you sound like too much of a lemon to **** anyone let alone someone elses missus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 This.... If something is as blatantly offensive as you found this banana quip, then why not confront the person? Maybe he's like me, 10 stone nothing and sh*t at fighting. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 Maybe he's like me, 10 stone nothing and sh*t at fighting. Just a thought. Shhhh!! Don't mention that in front of Turkish. If you're not 18 stone, well 'ard and deal with your problems by 'ironing out' the other guy you're quite clearly a sad little virgin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 Maybe he's like me, 10 stone nothing and sh*t at fighting. Just a thought. You don't admit that on the internet. Just give it large and make everyone live in fear of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 Sat in the Kingsland towards the Northam corner yesterday - towards the end of the match one of the Burnley players (who was black) got injured and was moved to the touchline. At the top of his voice someone sat in front of me shouted 'give him a banana' - then looked round at all around him challenging us to say anything and looked very pleased with himself when no-one reacted. In fairness I was a bit surprised and didn't react - the chap was sat next to a small girl who clearly thought it hilarious. Got his seat number. Suggestions as to what I should do? With respect if you felt that strongly about it you would have already reported it not asked for the allegedly humourous views of some of the mongs on this forum. Monday morning - moral high ground time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 Shhhh!! Don't mention that in front of Turkish. If you're not 18 stone, well 'ard and deal with your problems by 'ironing out' the other guy you're quite clearly a sad little virgin. That said, I'm usually described as "wiry". At least, thats what Tadanari Lee called me. (I await my infraction......) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Saint Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 Have you ever heard an elderly relative complain about certain races/creeds that own corner shops? Would you hand them over to the Police? 1984 is upon us, where every citizen reports on others. I think the OP has opened a valid debate, but would he have done so in the absence of the Suarez and Terry scenarios? I think not. Sure, this guy was wrong in what he said, no doubt about that, but the punishment would surely be disproportionate to the alleged crime - a ban. I cringe when I hear anything remotely racist, and I tell the orator that it's politically incorrect. You don't have to be aggressive, just make a point. The guy is hardly going to leap out of his seat and attack you inside a packed stadium now is he? What about the chants "you fat bar steward" and "the referee is a tommy tanker?" Eventually stadiums will be silent in fear of criminal sanction. If you see/hear the guy do it again....have a word. We all make mistakes in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 Saints fans dishing out racist abuse would be simply moronic and utterly absurd, given the great service black players have given the club over the decades and still do. I have never heard any racism at St Mary's and can't remember any incidents at the Dell either for that matter. We have always been a bit more intelligent and amusing than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 The power of the internet! Trouble is how could you hope to prove he said what it is claimed he said? CPS could not take action on the "say-so" of individuals or even groups of fans. Impossible retrospectively, only hope is to record him saying something similar on at least one phone next time he's there. Mind you Stewards and Old Bill could keep a beady eye on him once they know who the suspect is so report it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 So playground rules is it? How far are you willing to go with that? If you walk in on me sh*gging your missus is it alright if I'm wearing a Saints shirt at the time? Or does "no grassing" only apply if it's someone else who has been wronged and not you? Anyone that talks about sh*gging someone whilst wearing a football kit clearly doesnt do a lot of sh*gging. However this, frankly wierd, remark fails to mask the fact your analogy was absolutely shocking, makes no sense and has nothing to do with grassing. I was hoping you could come up with something better, mugging an old lady maybe (even with a saints top on to go with your perverted fantasies)? Stabbing someone? Terrorism? Theft? Loads of cracking analogies but you use sh*gging in football kits? I would never grass on a saint or someone from my City. Never. United we stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 Anyone that talks about sh*gging someone whilst wearing a football kit clearly doesnt do a lot of sh*gging. However this, frankly wierd, remark fails to mask the fact your analogy was absolutely shocking, makes no sense and has nothing to do with grassing. I was hoping you could come up with something better, mugging an old lady maybe (even with a saints top on to go with your perverted fantasies)? Stabbing someone? Terrorism? Theft? Loads of cracking analogies but you use sh*gging in football kits? I would never grass on a saint or someone from my City. Never. United we stand. Okay, bit of a weird analogy I'll give you that. My point was if you had been wronged by another Saints fan, would you let them off, just because they were a Saints fan? Why can't you respond to the issue at hand instead of silly remarks about my manhood. You say you will never grass on someone from your city. Well, I have to applaud your tribalism in this regard. There are hundreds of sh*tbags out there who would quite happily break into your house or car, mug your elderly relatives at knifepoint etc. etc. so they could pay for some cheap booze and a packet of fags. I find it astonishing that you would be willing to forgive and forget just because they live in an SO postcode. Anyway, a thread in which Charlie Wayman is the voice of reason is a bit too weird for me, and for that reason; I'm out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 Sat in the Kingsland towards the Northam corner yesterday - towards the end of the match one of the Burnley players (who was black) got injured and was moved to the touchline. At the top of his voice someone sat in front of me shouted 'give him a banana' - then looked round at all around him challenging us to say anything and looked very pleased with himself when no-one reacted. In fairness I was a bit surprised and didn't react - the chap was sat next to a small girl who clearly thought it hilarious. Got his seat number. Suggestions as to what I should do? You are unlikely by challenging him to change the behaviour or opinions of someone saying this kind of thing. I challenged someone in the past with predictable results. The appropriate and sensible thing to do is to report the incident to the club and he'll get banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 I'd never grass on a fellow saint. Seriously. Except for rape or being a nonce (although in those cases I'd prefer "natural justice") Loose lips sink ships. I would never grass on a saint or someone from my City. Never. United we stand. Thats one of the most bizarre comments Ive ever read on this board. We're not at war, there's no issue of national security. The issue of whether somebody should report racist comments at a football match pales into insignificane to that. You wouldnt report a serial killer, kidnapper, serial drunk driver who had killed someone, terrorist etc just because they happened to come from Southampton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigchrisy Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 Everyone gets on their high horse about racism these days, it's all gone over board. Yeah it's not on...but no one was keen to report the several thousand fans who were being homophobic towards brighton fans? or the people who have been offensive to players like Jon Parkin over the years because of his weight? At the end of the day it's not fair and it's something that should(and hopefully will be) taken out of the game altogether but i think it's in a footballers best interest to man up and carry on. (my opinion, don't snap at me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 As much as Racial abuse is wrong, this country has gone absolutely mental when it comes to this subject. It's alright for a British person to be called a Brit but not a Pakistani to be called a Paki. Your not allowed to mention to a black person that they perhaps dont need to get a tan when on holiday - why is that offensive. If you actually speak to black/Asian people they do not actually get offended by this. What is wrong is literally taking a disklike to someone purely because of the colour of their skin or to say they're a lower class of human being. But light racism is looked on as as bad a rape or physically beating someone up. This country is pathetic in how political correct it is and we are looked on by all other countries as being so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 (edited) "Brit" has never been used a term of abuse, "Paki" is. "Brit" has positive connotations. "Paki" is exclusively negative and used in a derogatory manner. We have the Brit awards. Can you imagine the "Paki Awards" for Asian music? No, didn't think so. Interestingly, some younger Asians now use "Paki" in the same way blacks have reclaimed the term ****** (nigga). So maybe the "Paki Awards" are not so far away... Edited 13 February, 2012 by adrian lord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 As much as Racial abuse is wrong, this country has gone absolutely mental when it comes to this subject. It's alright for a British person to be called a Brit but not a Pakistani to be called a Paki. Your not allowed to mention to a black person that they perhaps dont need to get a tan when on holiday - why is that offensive. If you actually speak to black/Asian people they do not actually get offended by this. What is wrong is literally taking a disklike to someone purely because of the colour of their skin or to say they're a lower class of human being. But light racism is looked on as as bad a rape or physically beating someone up. This country is pathetic in how political correct it is and we are looked on by all other countries as being so. Surely in this thread, it is suggesting that the player on the pitch was lower class. This should have been reported at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 13 February, 2012 Share Posted 13 February, 2012 (edited) It's alright for a British person to be called a Brit but not a Pakistani to be called a Paki. I think there's a very important distinction there - which one is generally used in a derogatory manner? This country is pathetic in how political correct it is and we are looked on by all other countries as being so. Really? Are we really?! Or is it just that we've (hopefully) moved beyond needless, wanton segregation of minorities but can be a little over-sensitive in how we've managed to do so? And is that not a worthy price to pay? Since I first heard this Stewart Lee clip I've used it to counter the "PC'S GONE MAAAAAAAD!" argument (that's the 84% he refers to at the start of the video), because he does so eloquently and rationally. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmkHLiZMJeU In reality 'political correctness' (if you must call it that) should be a non-pervasive ideology that's really just a fancy way of instilling common decency and politeness. Yet the concept is objectified and attacked with venom, usually to fit an agenda that has little or nothing to do with 'PC'. Anyway, we're really going off on a tangent now. Fair enough on the point that this may have been a one-time, regretted comment; it's hardly time to call a witch-hunt - I just find it strange that the content of what was said could be defended. Edited 13 February, 2012 by ant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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