charliegeorgesflymo Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Sat in the Kingsland towards the Northam corner yesterday - towards the end of the match one of the Burnley players (who was black) got injured and was moved to the touchline. At the top of his voice someone sat in front of me shouted 'give him a banana' - then looked round at all around him challenging us to say anything and looked very pleased with himself when no-one reacted. In fairness I was a bit surprised and didn't react - the chap was sat next to a small girl who clearly thought it hilarious. Got his seat number. Suggestions as to what I should do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Report it, obviously. People like that give all of us a bad name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Why is that racist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Bananas have great healing qualitys. I'm sure thats what he meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Why is that racist? Are you really that thick? Report it mate - comments like that have got no place in football stadia and Matthew le Tissier's reply besmirches a great name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 I remember at the dell when Paul Davis returned after the Cockerill incident. The kick off was delaid while they picked up tons of bananas. Wasn't even frowned upon back then. How things have changed For the better I may add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Why report it? He didn't abuse anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Its hardly the end of the world is it. Just move on with your life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Report it, as it needs to be stamped out the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Lej Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 If the man had any decency he'd hand himself in to the authorities now in order to prevent a witch hunt. The guy is question is now stating that he actually said "give it to Lallana" in anticipation of when the game restarted after the injury. What a joker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Why report it? He didn't abuse anyone. Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 If the man had any decency he'd hand himself in to the authorities now in order to prevent a witch hunt. The guy is question is now stating that he actually said "give it to Lallana" in anticipation of when the game restarted after the injury. What a joker How do you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Its hardly the end of the world is it. Just move on with your life. I will say it again...seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmatt Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 If the man had any decency he'd hand himself in to the authorities now in order to prevent a witch hunt. The guy is question is now stating that he actually said "give it to Lallana" in anticipation of when the game restarted after the injury. What a joker How do you know this? I don't know what's sadder: a fellow Saint saying this or fellow Saints apparently excusing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 I went to a Saints Spurs game with my parents when I was younger and some nasty **** started chanting Nazi songs about Spurs fans belonging in concentration camps. My mum was the only person out of scores of people who heard this to say anything to him telling him relatively politely to be quiet and keep views to himself. She got told by him in no uncertain terms where to go and he continued chanting. The stewards were no help when told, just shrugging their shoulders as they didn't want the hassle of dealing with the situation. Shouting at a black man about bananas isn't casual racism at all, it's blatant in your face abuse. Anyone suggesting this is acceptable behaviour is just winding others up for the sake of it or living in the 1970's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 If the man had any decency he'd hand himself in to the authorities now in order to prevent a witch hunt. The guy is question is now stating that he actually said "give it to Lallana" in anticipation of when the game restarted after the injury. What a joker Hand himself in? What for? This forum never fails to amuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Well with the proviso that the story is accurately reported in the first place, then any reasonable person should conclude that this was indeed a case of racial abuse - which all right thinking football fans (and Human beings in general) should abhor of course. There is no place for this attitude in the game anymore and had it happened within my earshot then rest assured this matter would have been brought to the attention of the nearest Steward at the time. As we are on the subject, if I were ever to accuse anyone of a offence quite as profoundly serious as racism then I'd hope I would possess the balls to use that word to their 'face' as it were - rather than hiding behind a pathetic euphemism such as 'agenda' like a miserable little coward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmatt Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Hand himself in? What for? This forum never fails to amuse. Racial abuse; it's illegal. HTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Hand himself in? What for? This forum never fails to amuse. Words fail me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 It always amuses me how people are offended by it from behind their computer screen but not a single person was offended enough to say anything at the time or report him then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Hand himself in? What for? This forum never fails to amuse. If these really are your views I suggest voicing them as little as possible over the course of your life may be advisable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 What I find odd is no one said anything? How many people heard? 50 ? 100? 200? That says a lot to me. And you are all hanging this chap on the word of one man? If he said what he said and his intention was to make out the player injured was a monkey he should never be aloud to set foot in st Mary's as long as he lives as racism just ain't saintly. However I hope all you people who speak up on here would have the backbone to speak up at the time. Close it and move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 How pathetic of you taking note of seat numbers. Jeez this place gets worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 It always amuses me how people are offended by it from behind their computer screen but not a single person was offended enough to say anything at the time or report him then. They're cowards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 How pathetic of you taking note of seat numbers. Jeez this place gets worse. Did that but didn't say a word to him or any of the stewards at the time and neither did anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBenali Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Bloke behind me called Don Goodman an ugly 'n' word during the Blackpool game (he was commentating on the game for tv & sitting by the halfway line in the Kingsland, you can see the tv spot up the top). Keep meaning to report the incident, a) because it's not on, and b) because the bloke is a f**kwit at the best of times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 So why not say something to him when he said it. I don't get you lot. Weirdos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 It seems there are a few on here who protest too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 I have heard racist abuse at SMS but normally groups of lads. Now I take my daughters to the football, so I have to balance things up here. I will not say something to a group of 5/6 lads when I am on my own with my 10 and 3 year old. What I have done is gone to the toilet when my daughter needs to go and tell a steward. I do not wait to after the game and ask what I should do. If I was with friends I would as I my friends would tell them to shut up, and if I was on my own and they were I wouldas well. You need to be a little sensible about this or risk getting beat up, as you cannot rely on saints fans backing you up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 It always amuses me how people are offended by it from behind their computer screen but not a single person was offended enough to say anything at the time or report him then. They're cowards. So why not say something to him when he said it. I don't get you lot. Weirdos There are plenty of people in the world who are far from the confrontational type. Why are they a "coward" or a "weirdo" if choose not to confront someone face-to-face for breaking the law or ruining the enjoyment of others? Especially when the morons who come out with racist crap are often the kind of people who regard a smack in the face as being a reasonable response to someone who calls them on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 What would you like people to say to him? How exactly do you see that conversation going? "Excuse me sir, but I couldn't help but notice you made a racial slur against one of Burnley's players. I disagree with you views on a moral level and believe you should rethink your views on racial equality" "Good heavens, I do believe you're right. I shall leave immediate, go home and rethink my life" At best you will probably get told to f**k off, at worst a good hard slap. The best bet is to report it to the club, who will deal with it as nescessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The boy done well Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 So why not say something to him when he said it. I don't get you lot. Weirdos Because you'll likely get flattened! For goodness sake whoever you are change your user name. There's no place for this in today's world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartosz Bialkowski Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Again, I am shocked, are Saints fans really this blind and racist. I thought compared to other clubs we were really in the right century, but I think I maybe wrong. What is wrong with you guys, it is just plain wrong! You are comparing calling a white person shrek to calling a black person a monkey.... Oh my! In my opinion you're the one in the wrong century. Interesting story for you. My 8 year old son described my black mate (when he couldnt remember his name) as the one with the gold tooth (yeah i know!), he didnt even consider the fact that he is black as the key descriptor! Thats how ive raised him. Thats the world I live in. We're all different. End of story. Why does ever type of slander need a label? Adele is a fat ginger cow. Am I fattist and gingerist too? Numpties, the lot of you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Why not distract from the real issue at hand - Racial abuse? Shut up, what we must all focus on is why someone didn't report it at the time. That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeSixty Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Sounds like he was trying to help the guy tbh. The sporting fad for bananas was started by sports nutritionists such as myself. The banana is rich in carbohydrate - an important source of energy for athletes and has significantly higher levels than any other fruit. Also, unlike most other forms of high-carbohydrate foods, it contains very little fat but is also high in fibre. The combination of fibre with the banana's three natural sugars - fructose, sucrose and glucose - means it provides a sustained boost to flagging energy levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 In my opinion you're the one in the wrong century. Interesting story for you. My 8 year old son described my black mate (when he couldnt remember his name) as the one with the gold tooth (yeah i know!), he didnt even consider the fact that he is black as the key descriptor! Thats how ive raised him. Thats the world I live in. We're all different. End of story. Why does ever type of slander need a label? Adele is a fat ginger cow. Am I fattist and gingerist too? Numpties, the lot of you But that is fine calling him the one with gold tooth. I do not understand your point? We are talking about racism, and that is just not on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 What would you like people to say to him? How exactly do you see that conversation going? "Excuse me sir, but I couldn't help but notice you made a racial slur against one of Burnley's players. I disagree with you views on a moral level and believe you should rethink your views on racial equality" "Good heavens, I do believe you're right. I shall leave immediate, go home and rethink my life" At best you will probably get told to f**k off, at worst a good hard slap. The best bet is to report it to the club, who will deal with it as nescessary. Exactly. I am not the confrontational type but know wrong from right. I also know that attempting conversation with some ignorant muppet who doesn't know the difference between a black man and a monkey or know the social implication and illegality of suggesting a black footballer should be 'given a bannana' is going to lead to at best an abusive response, at worst a whack. I wouldn't consider myself weird for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Because you'll likely get flattened! For goodness sake whoever you are change your user name. There's no place for this in today's world. I think boy in your name says it all. if you don't confront the offender or even report the incident to a steward at the time And then go online winging about it later then you are weird. Change my name for what exactualy you moron. Some of you I think are genuinely agreeved by this which is understandable. However some of you are just jumping on the recent racism bandwagon for the hell of it, I expect some of you will then be down the pub with your mates and hear a racist joke and choose to laugh and not tell your mate to shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Someone called me a ***** once when I accidentally cut him up on a roundabout, I didn't report it, what's the point? I just told him to shut his whining gob. Report it if you like or don't, but why start as thread about it? Grow some nuts, Make a decision and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 No one likes a grass... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 I think boy in your name says it all. if you don't confront the offender or even report the incident to a steward at the time And then go online winging about it later then you are weird. Change my name for what exactualy you moron. Some of you I think are genuinely agreeved by this which is understandable. However some of you are just jumping on the recent racism bandwagon for the hell of it, I expect some of you will then be down the pub with your mates and hear a racist joke and choose to laugh and not tell your mate to shut up. If it turned out that "The boy done well" was a 6' 3", 15-stone, tattooed, muscle-bound freak with a very nasty disposition, would you call him a "moron" to his face? I'm not sure you'll answer that honestly on here but I think I know the answer anyway. And if that answer is what I'm fairly sure it would be, you've just proved the very point you're arguing against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Originally Posted by Dr Who? Again, I am shocked, are Saints fans really this blind and racist. I thought compared to other clubs we were really in the right century, but I think I maybe wrong. What is wrong with you guys, it is just plain wrong! You are comparing calling a white person shrek to calling a black person a monkey.... Oh my! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Originally Posted by Dr Who? Again, I am shocked, are Saints fans really this blind and racist. I thought compared to other clubs we were really in the right century, but I think I maybe wrong. What is wrong with you guys, it is just plain wrong! You are comparing calling a white person shrek to calling a black person a monkey.... Oh my! I get the feeling you're offended by this because you feel you should be, rather than because it genuinely offends you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 To the OP - you should decide for yourself and keep it private. Asking an Internet forum for advice is a recipe for disaster. Whilst on the thorny subject, is anyone else a little uncomfortable with the oh so hilarious Japanese accented comments that proliferate every time Lee gets on the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 If it turned out that "The boy done well" was a 6' 3", 15-stone, tattooed, muscle-bound freak with a very nasty disposition, would you call him a "moron" to his face? I'm not sure you'll answer that honestly on here but I think I know the answer anyway. And if that answer is what I'm fairly sure it would be, you've just proved the very point you're arguing against. So you are judging someone by saying if they have tattoos and big muscles they are violent? You post about judging people by there appearance and you have just done exactualy that. If you bother to read my post you will notice I say about reporting it to a steward if you didn't want to confront the offender. Then if you don't do any of the above you are a moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 There is a difference between some of the Japanese stereotypes being aimed at Tadanari Lee and implying a black person is a monkey. Jokes about killing whales, eating dogs and saying "oh reary!" are at worst silly and a bit tired. It's not actually abusing him, it's just upholding some long standing stereotypes about Japanese culture. You could say the same about the Americans being fat, French being stubborn, Scots being alcoholics, Welsh being sheep sh*ggers... basically every nationality or culture has stereotypes which are un-PC but on the whole completely harmless. Calling a black person a monkey is different. It's derogatory and implies they are sub human or animals, simply because of their appearance. There is also a long history of suffering, particularly amongst the African-American slave trade and the hundreds of years battling for equality which followed. I can't believe anyone can either support or justify this alleged incident. It's the kind of mindless neanderthal behaviour which died out in the '80s amongst anyone with half a brain cell and I'm embarassed it took that long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 I get the feeling you're offended by this because you feel you should be, rather than because it genuinely offends you. No I am shocked, by some of the responses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 I was sat in Block 38 (Row OO) and heard the remark too - but couldn't see who said it. Shouted back in the direction it came from and told him where to stick his racism. Some bloke standing near me for the Leicester game was talking about throwing bananas at Neil Danns too, but again I couldn't tell who it was (mostly because I was seeing through a fog of booze). I think it's disgusting that people still think like that nowadays, and of course the usual idiots (Turkish and Dune, i'll give you the attention you so desperately crave) come on here and take the mick. If they were black and were racially abused, I don't think they'd find it so funny - but unfortunately they're the typical idiots that give football fans a bad name. If Marvin Bartley was working in a shop for example, and he dropped a loaf of bread, would you shout "Give him a banana!" at him from across the shop? No, because you'd be arrested straight away for racial abuse. The type of pr!cks that do it are complete cowards that prefer to hide in a crowd of 30,000 others so that they don't have to face up to what they're actually doing. It might seem like a petty offence to some people, but it means a hell of a lot to others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 So you are judging someone by saying if they have tattoos and big muscles they are violent? You post about judging people by there appearance and you have just done exactualy that. If you bother to read my post you will notice I say about reporting it to a steward if you didn't want to confront the offender. Then if you don't do any of the above you are a moron. No, I'm not judging someone by their appearance - just suspecting that you would do that before deciding to call them a moron to their face, which you are so quick to do on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 There is a difference between some of the Japanese stereotypes being aimed at Tadanari Lee and implying a black person is a monkey. Jokes about killing whales, eating dogs and saying "oh reary!" are at worst silly and a bit tired. It's not actually abusing him, it's just upholding some long standing stereotypes about Japanese culture. You could say the same about the Americans being fat, French being stubborn, Scots being alcoholics, Welsh being sheep sh*ggers... basically every nationality or culture has stereotypes which are un-PC but on the whole completely harmless. Calling a black person a monkey is different. It's derogatory and implies they are sub human or animals, simply because of their appearance. There is also a long history of suffering, particularly amongst the African-American slave trade and the hundreds of years battling for equality which followed. I can't believe anyone can either support or justify this alleged incident. It's the kind of mindless neanderthal behaviour which died out in the '80s amongst anyone with half a brain cell and I'm embarassed it took that long. Now you see if I was half as good with words and putting things across much better, than I am with numbers, this is what I would have put! SPOT ON! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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