Glasgow_Saint Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 No one had a particularly bad game but I'd say Frazer "Floaty ball" Richardson was wasteful far too often Seems harsh - he setup the 1st goal with a glourious cross! & he was GK if KD saw red or injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Richardson had his best game for months. What were yo watching? bizarre comments on this thread. No one had a poor performance, it was back to being a good team performance. If you had to (if you had to) pick one......who was the worst Saints player yesterday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 No idea what people were seeing him do positively yesterday. Whenever he got the ball near the halfway line and Saints were on the attack he just stood still and played it to Richardson on the overlap. I never saw him take it and run with, trying to beat a man. Defensively he was out of position many times. It really is surprising how people seem to watch completely different games to one another sometimes! With the decent performances put in by Puncheon recently, I would have played him ahead of Guly for sure. And I'm really disappointed for Steve to be entirely left out of the squad. I just don't think Guly is my type of player tbh. This in bold was what let him down, other than that he had a good game, but I don't think he gave us enough width, he semed reluctant to make a run into space down the wing. Second part of the second half Lambert was exploiting that space a lot better on a number of occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 This in bold was what let him down, other than that he had a good game, but I don't think he gave us enough width, he semed reluctant to make a run into space down the wing. Second part of the second half Lambert was exploiting that space a lot better on a number of occasions. Do you think maybe that might have been a tactical plan? I'm basing this on two pretty clear points. 1) Richardson probably has the most assists in our side. We've been doing that all season. Seems a pretty good idea to exploit your attacking full backs when they work so well. 2) Our wingers don't play as wingers. They roam. Adkins endlessly talks about playing in between the lines. It's Lallana and whoever plays wide right that does this the most. If you look back to the start of the season where we were widely recognised to be playing ours and the leagues best football you will see Guly playing that position on a weekly basis. Only an injury to Connolly has stopped him playing there all season really. Oh and I laugh at the ridiculous nature of some of our fans at times. Yesterday when Guly and others passed the ball to a team mate and therefore keeping possesion I heard on numerous occasions people groan and shout "Just chuck it in the box!!!". English mentality at its best. It's why we don't appreciate talented foreign footballers like Guly. 2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Do you think maybe that might have been a tactical plan? I'm basing this on two pretty clear points. 1) Richardson probably has the most assists in our side. We've been doing that all season. Seems a pretty good idea to exploit your attacking full backs when they work so well. 2) Our wingers don't play as wingers. They roam. Adkins endlessly talks about playing in between the lines. It's Lallana and whoever plays wide right that does this the most. If you look back to the start of the season where we were widely recognised to be playing ours and the leagues best football you will see Guly playing that position on a weekly basis. Only an injury to Connolly has stopped him playing there all season really. Oh and I laugh at the ridiculous nature of some of our fans at times. Yesterday when Guly and others passed the ball to a team mate and therefore keeping possesion I heard on numerous occasions people groan and shout "Just chuck it in the box!!!". English mentality at its best. It's why we don't appreciate talented foreign footballers like Guly. 2) Very much this. If you look at all the best full backs in the world, all of them are attacking players who offer their teams width going forward. Alves, Cole, Evra etc. Football has evolved, tactically it's a different game to 20 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonroadboy Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Think what has been letting Guly down recently is his first time touch - not controlling the ball,pushing it too far forward etc. Glad to see yesterday that it didn't happen and consequently looked a far better player than he has been for a few games now. I liked him upfront but perhaps playing wide is better for him as he has more time/ choices in passes and think that we will see him in that position now, with Puncheon being the obvious choice to bring on if he is not performing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Well, he basically set up the first goal..... You may not like him, which is fair enough, but don't criticize him incorrectly. He was good yesterday. He does have some bad games, but then at the end of the day he is a long way from home, and he's clearly a sensitive chap, 10 goals and a fair few assists would make him worthy of a place in any starting 11 tbh. An he is good in midfield. I'm not criticising him "incorrectly". I gave specific details about how his attacking play disappointed me. I'd like a winger to keep a ball and make things happen, to try and beat his man consistently and not stand still looking to lay the ball straight off to somebody else (particularly an overlapping fullback). That's an opinion so how is it "incorrect"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Do you think maybe that might have been a tactical plan? I'm basing this on two pretty clear points. 1) Richardson probably has the most assists in our side. We've been doing that all season. Seems a pretty good idea to exploit your attacking full backs when they work so well. 2) Our wingers don't play as wingers. They roam. Adkins endlessly talks about playing in between the lines. It's Lallana and whoever plays wide right that does this the most. If you look back to the start of the season where we were widely recognised to be playing ours and the leagues best football you will see Guly playing that position on a weekly basis. Only an injury to Connolly has stopped him playing there all season really. Oh and I laugh at the ridiculous nature of some of our fans at times. Yesterday when Guly and others passed the ball to a team mate and therefore keeping possesion I heard on numerous occasions people groan and shout "Just chuck it in the box!!!". English mentality at its best. It's why we don't appreciate talented foreign footballers like Guly. 2) Laying the ball off to an overlapping fullback is clearly one thing a winger can do in possession and it can work well, but for me that's what Guly's main plan was yesterday. Most of the time the ball came to him when he was stationary, he stayed stationary and just played it on to the overlapping fullback. I would have thought the winger should be mixing it up a bit; do the simple lay-off once or twice but then use a burst of pace to beat your man on other occasions. For me Puncheon and De Ridder would have offered more variety than Guly did yesterday. I'm really not sure why Puncheon lost his place tbh. I wasn't at the Millwall game so perhaps he had a poor game that night. His comeback appearances before that were impressive though imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenSaint Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 When all is fit i don't think he should start Chappers, Punch, Cork and Lallana should be midfield and that midfield should be used in all away games from now, Guly's away form is very very poor. Home games i would play Guly now and again changing from Morgan or Hammond. But yes he did ok yesterday but not great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scally Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Interesting thoughts http://www.clarets-mad.co.uk/rprt/mtch/second_best_clarets_cant_stop_the_saints_from_marching_in_728154/index.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Interesting thoughts http://www.clarets-mad.co.uk/rprt/mtch/second_best_clarets_cant_stop_the_saints_from_marching_in_728154/index.shtml Two stand out points from that. Apparently Guly had one of his 'good games' and 'played a short pass to Richardson' in the run up to the first goal. Case closed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Interesting thoughts http://www.clarets-mad.co.uk/rprt/mtch/second_best_clarets_cant_stop_the_saints_from_marching_in_728154/index.shtml ''They don't play much football'' what an oddly inaccurate comment. Other than that, a good review. Guly is never half as bad as fans make out on here, even when he has a bad game, but to be honest we seem to be looking for some sort of scapegoat for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 I think people should lay off Guly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 "We were only in the eighth minute of the game when the Saints marched into the lead. It was no surprise to see Guly Do Prado involved. He turned in as good an individual performance yesterday as I've seen from a player all season in the Championship. David 'Bumble' Lloyd always refers to Lancashire bowler Saj Mahmood as Daisy due to his inconsistency - some days he does and some days he doesn't. Guly is apparently this kind of player but he was definitely on one of his does days yesterday." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Anyone with doubts about Guly should watch again the Skates equilizer against us in December! His performance in that game still haunts me!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 If Burnley love him maybe we could swap him for rodriguez? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 If Burnley love him maybe we could swap him for rodriguez? we'd not be the winners in such a swap. Guly is a playmaker,JRod is a common or garden front man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvaughanwilliams Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 I think that the reason Guly gets a slating is that when he plays on the right hand side of midfield, he doesn't play like a traditional winger. His game is about retaining possession through passing and going past players from a standing position through misleading body movement. If you don't like this style of play, you'll never rate him. If you expect that wingers should spend all of their time on the line and running at people, then I would expect you not to like him, because he will never do that. Playing against a team whose defence sits deep, his style of play is effective. He will get time and space and be able to pull defenders out of position, creating space for other players. He allows a flexibility in our front line with players changing position and creating uncertainty in defenders not knowing who to mark. When we play teams who play a high line, his lack of pace is shown up. He isn't looking to make runs behind and pick up a ball over the top. Against teams who play this way, we should play Puncheon or De Ridder. What I think is good about our current squad is that we have players who play the same position in a different way. Sharp, Lambert, Connolly, Guly, Barnard and Lee all play upfront differently and will be effective against different opposition. There will be rotation and players will be selected to exploit the weaknesses of the team we're playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 I think that the reason Guly gets a slating is that when he plays on the right hand side of midfield, he doesn't play like a traditional winger. His game is about retaining possession through passing and going past players from a standing position through misleading body movement. If you don't like this style of play, you'll never rate him. If you expect that wingers should spend all of their time on the line and running at people, then I would expect you not to like him, because he will never do that. Playing against a team whose defence sits deep, his style of play is effective. He will get time and space and be able to pull defenders out of position, creating space for other players. He allows a flexibility in our front line with players changing position and creating uncertainty in defenders not knowing who to mark. When we play teams who play a high line, his lack of pace is shown up. He isn't looking to make runs behind and pick up a ball over the top. Against teams who play this way, we should play Puncheon or De Ridder. What I think is good about our current squad is that we have players who play the same position in a different way. Sharp, Lambert, Connolly, Guly, Barnard and Lee all play upfront differently and will be effective against different opposition. There will be rotation and players will be selected to exploit the weaknesses of the team we're playing. Yes. How many other players have we had who've played for years in the Italian leagues? He's bound to have a different style to the English game ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 He gets a slating because Some of our fans are too dense to realise that being a good football doesn't mean you have to run around at 1000 miles per hour charging into tackles, clenching of fists and snarling. For example the hero worship SDR gets from some sections of our fan base simply because he's quick and runs around a lot but in reality he is yet to put in a decent 90 minutes in his time here. The type of player Guly is mean that he's not going to be brilliant every week so when he isn't having a good day fans get on his back because he's apparently lazy and sh*t. I know how some of you love stats so the stats prove that he is 7th top scorer and has 6 assists. He's scored more that Maynard, Sordell and Rodriguez, players many of you were creaming yourself at the prospect of signing. In any case I'm amazed he comes in for an criticism whatsoever on here, with those stats he must be amazing on football manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 To me it seems that one of the reasons people get frustrated with Guly is his slowing down of play at times when they believe we should be charging up the field on the attack. However we don't really play that way. Mostly our tactics are set up to build pitch position and possession through certain phases of play that are clearly (well in my eyes anyway) worked at extensively on the training ground. It's a similar point to those who aren't happy about Morgan's sideways passing. There is a reason behind it. Yes on occassions they may miss incisive runs from a forward or winger and instead play a 10 yard square ball, but keeping possession is key to Adkins strategy. There's no point playing a pass that you aren't confident will work if you can retain the ball. Watch how the players move off the ball at certain times and it begins to make sense. Or at least it does to me anyway! It does make me chuckle when the crowd get on the teams back for retaining possession. It's not rugby, there's no law as to which way the ball has to be played. Forwards, backwards, sideways, it's all good as long as we have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 It does make me chuckle when the crowd get on the teams back for retaining possession. It's not rugby, there's no law as to which way the ball has to be played. Forwards, backwards, sideways, it's all good as long as we have it. It doesn't make me chuckle, it does my flaming head in! We're 2-0 up on 75mins and we're retaining the ball, yet people around me are shouting all sorts of expletives because we're not doing ''hit and rush'' football. I have no idea what our fans want half the time, truly bizarre creatures some of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 14 February, 2012 Author Share Posted 14 February, 2012 Okay so let's hear about him against West Ham. Didn't really hear him mentioned in commentary, a lot of mentions in texts and tweets to Solent though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 He will get lots of mentions and slagging off if he doesn't score a wordly. He's the new scapegoat, our fans have caught onto that and he will now be driven out of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 He will get lots of mentions and slagging off if he doesn't score a wordly. He's the new scapegoat, our fans have caught onto that and he will now be driven out of the club. sometimes you have to call it.. he is one of those players that when he is bad....he is very bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madruss Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 I thought guly played ok tonight, got himself into good positions, but too often wasn't picked out. Puncheon was a marked improvement though and has overtaken him in the pecking order imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 I thought guly played ok tonight, got himself into good positions, but too often wasn't picked out. Puncheon was a marked improvement though and has overtaken him in the pecking order imo Watch out Russ, people will start calling you "mad." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 I thought guly played ok tonight, got himself into good positions, but too often wasn't picked out. Puncheon was a marked improvement though and has overtaken him in the pecking order imo All the more puzzling as to why Puncheon did not start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 He will get lots of mentions and slagging off if he doesn't score a wordly. He's the new scapegoat, our fans have caught onto that and he will now be driven out of the club. I'm not sure thats true, there was still plenty of singing his name on Saturday, the Saints scapegoats dont usually get that sort of treatment. I sincerely hope he wont be driven out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbojones10 Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 the people around me would blame him for everything, it was a joke, he is the new scape goat and its completely wrong hes still a very good play especially when at the top of the diamond. Lay off him people hes a good player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 15 February, 2012 Share Posted 15 February, 2012 Guly at home? Puncheon/Chaplow away ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Saint Posted 15 February, 2012 Share Posted 15 February, 2012 the people around me would blame him for everything, it was a joke, he is the new scape goat and its completely wrong hes still a very good play especially when at the top of the diamond. Lay off him people hes a good player Agree. Thought he played ok today. Ridiculous how whenever a pass from him doesn't find his man, it's '****ing hell, Guly' but if it's Lallana etc it's just 'unlucky.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 15 February, 2012 Author Share Posted 15 February, 2012 Agree. Thought he played ok today. Ridiculous how whenever a pass from him doesn't find his man, it's '****ing hell, Guly' but if it's Lallana etc it's just 'unlucky.' Very true, and Lallana is getting into the habit of taking an extra touch or two rather than shooting when in good positions. If Guly did that I imagine he would be absolutely crucified. I can see why Nigel didn't change the team tonight but it's not worked, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 15 February, 2012 Share Posted 15 February, 2012 He was alright but no surprise to see him subbed especially with Puncheon on the bench. He played one woeful ball across the midfield which gave them the ball in a threatening position, but then Cork and Schneiderlin did the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 15 February, 2012 Share Posted 15 February, 2012 Our worst player last night apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 15 February, 2012 Share Posted 15 February, 2012 Our worst player last night apparently Must be true then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbojones10 Posted 15 February, 2012 Share Posted 15 February, 2012 Our worst player last night apparently i was there and he wasnt cork was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 February, 2012 Share Posted 15 February, 2012 i was there and he wasnt cork was Cork needs a rest, NA doesn't seem to trust Hammond any too much now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 15 February, 2012 Share Posted 15 February, 2012 I was massively disappointed in Guly do Prado last night - because normally whenever I give a player some stick you can guarantee that they will score soon afterwards - but not on this occasion alas. A hat-trick on Saturday then ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFHP Posted 15 February, 2012 Share Posted 15 February, 2012 Oh and I laugh at the ridiculous nature of some of our fans at times. Yesterday when Guly and others passed the ball to a team mate and therefore keeping possesion I heard on numerous occasions people groan and shout "Just chuck it in the box!!!". English mentality at its best. It's why we don't appreciate talented foreign footballers like Guly. 2) One fan behind me kept saying "just boot it forward" then the next min sung "Football, you used to play football" No wonder he was a Guly "hater". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 15 February, 2012 Share Posted 15 February, 2012 Gulys a good player I wish we would not keep scapegoatimg our own players.its funny how we don't get any threads about Lambert hammond etc who last season Played crap at the start of last season. It's about time the knockers got behind the team and roar them on to the premier league. Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian the Red Posted 15 February, 2012 Share Posted 15 February, 2012 Guly was very poor last night. Thought he played well Saturday but last night............... Cork wasn't much better either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 15 February, 2012 Share Posted 15 February, 2012 Was there last night. Not sure if its been talked about but a corner that WH took, guly was on the near post and as the corner came in....he bottled it, ducked it, it was on its way in and amazingly Davis caught it. You should of seen the look davis gave Guly - hopefully will be shown in the highlights.I expect Davis called for it don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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