Crazy Diamond Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 I thought he was very good today. Seemed to be in the right place at the right time all through the game, put in some great tackles, calmed the play down at times when it risked getting scrappy, did a very good job. I've been a critic of his, and I stand by criticisms I made of him in previous games, but I am more than happy to credit him when and where it is due. I sincerely hope he follows up today's performance with one of a similar if not better standard away to West Ham next week. I hear however that some mong texted into Solent to say he wasn't much cop, and I've even heard that there was abuse aimed in his direction throughout the game. Not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 Mentioned this in the Stuart Pearce thread but prob has a place here. During the chairmans Dinner Cortese mentioned that when Guly joined he told him that he thought the players didnt like him, as he's used to shaking each players hand in the dressing room but no one invited him to shake their hand. Seems he is a sensitive chap, which may explain his change in attitude for some games. Maybe he reacts to pressure worse than other individuals so support rather than attack is what he needs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 I agree. He created a bit of space for others as well with some excellent runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 It can only be good that all our strikers are on form. Lee nearly got one and Connolly had one ruled out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 11 February, 2012 Author Share Posted 11 February, 2012 Mentioned this in the Stuart Pearce thread but prob has a place here. During the chairmans Dinner Cortese mentioned that when Guly joined he told him that he thought the players didnt like him, as he's used to shaking each players hand in the dressing room but no one invited him to shake their hand. Seems he is a sensitive chap, which may explain his change in attitude for some games. Maybe he reacts to pressure worse than other individuals so support rather than attack is what he needs... I see him every now and then and have never heard him speak English, and he's always been alone. I imagine it must be quite tough for him, so I sympathise if that is the case. He hasn't helped himself on the pitch at times however. Didn't put a foot wrong today. No one did really. We're now watching Guly play for his place in the team. This is a very good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgoose Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 I thought he had a great game today and commented on him to those around me who agreed, a couple of them season ticket holders. I thought he helped keep things ticking over and at times linked up really well with Richardson. I was surprised he started to be honest, but he hardly put a foot wrong IMO. Well played that man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Saint Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 Think he's well worth his place in the side. Can be very frustrating at times but there you go. Few ****s near top of Block 37 spent entire game giving him abuse. They seemed to find it really funny. So tedious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 11 February, 2012 Author Share Posted 11 February, 2012 Tiff Needell has agreed with me on Twitter. Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 I think if Chapel End Charlie saw this thread he'd self combust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 He was fantastic today and when he is on song he just oozes class. It's performances like todays that make me so livid with him on the days he just can't be arsed. I enjoyed every minute of watching him today though and long may that continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 I think if Chapel End Charlie saw this thread he'd self combust. Live stream for this game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 I think if Chapel End Charlie saw this thread he'd self combust. Ha ! Concerned neighbours have called for the Fire Brigade already ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 I agree he was effective in that position today - surprisingly so because in his early days I didn't think he played the wide role that well. I think he is becoming a very versatile player for us, albeit a bit frustrating at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Integral part of our promotion season team last year. Integral part of our promotion to the Premiership this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Had a great game - people who criticized him today were criticizing out of habit (idiots in other words) - he was excellent today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 12 February, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 February, 2012 I think if Chapel End Charlie saw this thread he'd self combust. Yes I've just read his collective thoughts, can't agree, and I'm a vocal critic of Guly on this forum. If anyone would like to dispute that or call me 'happy-clappy' then they are invited to go through my old posts and have a look. It's there in black and white. Dave Merrington was happy with the performance as well I understand, and whilst there are those who don't really like him, Dave is a very knowledgable man and if he says Guly played well then I'm inclined to agree with him. I've seen Guly at his absolute worst, where he's fluffed the easiest of touches, given the ball away, sulked when a defender has pushed him and trotted back from offside positions rather than run back. Couldn't have been anymore different today, his tackling caught my eye in particular. I'm not going to go as far as to say that he 'oozes class' as saintscottofthenortham did but blimey, he was a totally different character against Burnley and I applaud him for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbojones10 Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 i think guly is twice the player when playing in midfield either on the right or top of the diamond, hes better on the ball looking to start moves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Guly is a bit of an enigma. FWIW I think its great to have him in the squad but not so sure its so great to have him starting in the actual side - he is just not consistent enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 No idea what people were seeing him do positively yesterday. Whenever he got the ball near the halfway line and Saints were on the attack he just stood still and played it to Richardson on the overlap. I never saw him take it and run with, trying to beat a man. Defensively he was out of position many times. It really is surprising how people seem to watch completely different games to one another sometimes! With the decent performances put in by Puncheon recently, I would have played him ahead of Guly for sure. And I'm really disappointed for Steve to be entirely left out of the squad. I just don't think Guly is my type of player tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 I didn't think he was that great to start with, looked a little slow on the right. I would have prefered a winger. However, when Cork went right and he played in the middle, he looked great. I think when we are winning and want to keep the ball, he is very useful. I don't think he would have been that great if it was 0-0 and we were trying to push for the winner, not on the right anyway. In this situation, some pace on the flanks would be more useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 And I'm really disappointed for Steve to be entirely left out of the squad. I just don't think Guly is my type of player tbh.DeRidder was absent because of the injury he picked up/aggravated against Millwall - although there is no telling if would have been involved if this had not been the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jampot Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 No idea what people were seeing him do positively yesterday. Whenever he got the ball near the halfway line and Saints were on the attack he just stood still and played it to Richardson on the overlap. I never saw him take it and run with, trying to beat a man. Defensively he was out of position many times. It really is surprising how people seem to watch completely different games to one another sometimes! With the decent performances put in by Puncheon recently, I would have played him ahead of Guly for sure. And I'm really disappointed for Steve to be entirely left out of the squad. I just don't think Guly is my type of player tbh. Agreed, although Guly put in an improved performence for his standards, I still feel he was Saints poorest player on the park yesterday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 DeRidder was absent because of the injury he picked up/aggravated against Millwall - although there is no telling if would have been involved if this had not been the case. Was that confirmed? I remember thinking his tweets yesterday implied he was going to be part of game day. Maybe he was just watching though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Donovan Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Agreed, although Guly put in an improved performence for his standards, I still feel he was Saints poorest player on the park yesterday... You are both mental and incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Agreed, although Guly put in an improved performence for his standards, I still feel he was Saints poorest player on the park yesterday... Wow. I S'pose out of 20 odd thousand people there is bound to be a few who havn't got the foggiest idea of what they are talking about. My advice to those would be, don't go onto a public forum and display what an utter lack of knowledge you posses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooh it's a corner Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 (edited) Always difficult to gauge, but when Guly was substituted yesterday, I would suggest three quarters of the ground stood and applauded him off the field. If 75% of the crowd thinks he merited a standing ovation, then I would suggest the majority of the support thought he had a good game. 25% of people either couldn't be arsed to stand up (me included), or didn't think he had a good game. Edited 12 February, 2012 by ooh it's a corner typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Im glad hes playing well, him and Puncheon on the wing with Lallana on the Left and Chappers able to fill in there, also Holmes as a spare, great wide options, i feel we finaly have a strong squad, not just 11/12 top championship players we now have 14/15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Was that confirmed? I remember thinking his tweets yesterday implied he was going to be part of game day. Maybe he was just watching though.Actually - no it hasn't been confirmed. I was just surmising I was hoping that if I said it like it was a fact, people would swallow it, but you found me out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 If guly wasnt our worst player yesterday, who was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 With Guly its a case of when he's playing well he is absolutely brilliant and everything comes off for him, whereas when he's playing badly he's just awful. That being said, he's well worth a place in the team and has been absolutely crucial to us this season - anyone who says different is just plain wrong imo. However, I do think there are some away fixtures where he isn't suited and should perhaps drop to the bench (Pompey away being a prime example but we didn't have the depth we do now to change it round) - wouldn't be surprised to see him make way for Puncheon on Tuesday but if he did start I'd have faith that he could do a good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simondo Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 i didn't think he did much wrong today - he wasn't exceptional as some people have said - but did just ok... which imho is an improvement on his form lately. it is amazing how two people watching the same game can see things soooo differently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 If guly wasnt our worst player yesterday, who was?Does there have to be one? Adders would not like such negativity- especially after an impressive win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batterseasaint Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Says a lot about the mentality of some people that they HAVE to have a 'worst player' even though we have just put in an excellent collective team performance in which no one overtly put a foot wrong and there was quality throughout the pitch. Anyway, the facts about Guly are these: - he currently stands 7th in the top scorer chart, ahead of the likes of Maynard, Sordell and Jutkiewicz, all of whom many fans advocated that we break the bank for. - The 10 league goals he has scored this season have directly led to 3 wins; in other words, his goals have been the difference between us and the opposition 3 times. Without those goals, we would be somewhere near the bottom end of the play offs. - this does not include assists such as Reading, where clearly a magic touch from him set Stief up to equalize. There are those that seem to suggest that Puncheon should have played instead of him yesterday. Does anyone think that Puncheon, if he had played all season ahead of Guly, would have a similar record? What about Chappers, another competitor for his place on the right? No, i don't think so. I like Chappers, i like Guly and I think Puncheon will offer us a lot between now and the end of the season. There will be games where one is preferred over the other. For what it's worth, i hope Puncheon plays in that spot on Tuesday night ahead of Guly. But what i do know is that a player who has been a major contributor to our season does not deserve some of the crap written about them on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Does there have to be one? Adders would not like such negativity- especially after an impressive win Anyway they all have a fairly narrow,specific role to fulfill as a minimum requirement. Unless you know exactly what each role comprises you can't possibly know whether it's been fulfilled or not. Far too much negativity about an easy 2-0 home win against a side who have been playing well of late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Says a lot about the mentality of some people that they HAVE to have a 'worst player' even though we have just put in an excellent collective team performance in which no one overtly put a foot wrong and there was quality throughout the pitch. Anyway, the facts about Guly are these: - he currently stands 7th in the top scorer chart, ahead of the likes of Maynard, Sordell and Jutkiewicz, all of whom many fans advocated that we break the bank for. - The 10 league goals he has scored this season have directly led to 3 wins; in other words, his goals have been the difference between us and the opposition 3 times. Without those goals, we would be somewhere near the bottom end of the play offs. - this does not include assists such as Reading, where clearly a magic touch from him set Stief up to equalize. There are those that seem to suggest that Puncheon should have played instead of him yesterday. Does anyone think that Puncheon, if he had played all season ahead of Guly, would have a similar record? What about Chappers, another competitor for his place on the right? No, i don't think so. I like Chappers, i like Guly and I think Puncheon will offer us a lot between now and the end of the season. There will be games where one is preferred over the other. For what it's worth, i hope Puncheon plays in that spot on Tuesday night ahead of Guly. But what i do know is that a player who has been a major contributor to our season does not deserve some of the crap written about them on here. Excellent post ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Says a lot about the mentality of some people that they HAVE to have a 'worst player' even though we have just put in an excellent collective team performance in which no one overtly put a foot wrong and there was quality throughout the pitch. Anyway, the facts about Guly are these: - he currently stands 7th in the top scorer chart, ahead of the likes of Maynard, Sordell and Jutkiewicz, all of whom many fans advocated that we break the bank for. - The 10 league goals he has scored this season have directly led to 3 wins; in other words, his goals have been the difference between us and the opposition 3 times. Without those goals, we would be somewhere near the bottom end of the play offs. - this does not include assists such as Reading, where clearly a magic touch from him set Stief up to equalize. There are those that seem to suggest that Puncheon should have played instead of him yesterday. Does anyone think that Puncheon, if he had played all season ahead of Guly, would have a similar record? What about Chappers, another competitor for his place on the right? No, i don't think so. I like Chappers, i like Guly and I think Puncheon will offer us a lot between now and the end of the season. There will be games where one is preferred over the other. For what it's worth, i hope Puncheon plays in that spot on Tuesday night ahead of Guly. But what i do know is that a player who has been a major contributor to our season does not deserve some of the crap written about them on here. Ban this fool. There's no place for sensible, reasoned views on this forum.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 No idea what people were seeing him do positively yesterday. Whenever he got the ball near the halfway line and Saints were on the attack he just stood still and played it to Richardson on the overlap. I never saw him take it and run with, trying to beat a man. Defensively he was out of position many times. It really is surprising how people seem to watch completely different games to one another sometimes! With the decent performances put in by Puncheon recently, I would have played him ahead of Guly for sure. And I'm really disappointed for Steve to be entirely left out of the squad. I just don't think Guly is my type of player tbh. Well, he basically set up the first goal..... You may not like him, which is fair enough, but don't criticize him incorrectly. He was good yesterday. He does have some bad games, but then at the end of the day he is a long way from home, and he's clearly a sensitive chap, 10 goals and a fair few assists would make him worthy of a place in any starting 11 tbh. An he is good in midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st alex Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Guly's long range 'shots' were frustrating yesterday, I remember at least three terrible shots that were nowhere near the target when we he had plenty of options. Lallana even deliberately blocked one and put a cross in instead. Still it's nice to see a he's not afraid to shoot which some players seem to be at times. Did play much better than recently though and didn't look bad, but nothing too special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 No idea what people were seeing him do positively yesterday. Whenever he got the ball near the halfway line and Saints were on the attack he just stood still and played it to Richardson on the overlap. I never saw him take it and run with, trying to beat a man. Defensively he was out of position many times. It really is surprising how people seem to watch completely different games to one another sometimes! With the decent performances put in by Puncheon recently, I would have played him ahead of Guly for sure. And I'm really disappointed for Steve to be entirely left out of the squad. I just don't think Guly is my type of player tbh. What exactly is wrong with playing, "it to Richardson on the overlap"?! That's a fundamental element of what has made us successful this season - getting Richardson into a position to deliver his dangerous crosses has resulted in numerous goals this season. Good football is not all about "beating your man" on your own. I too would have picked Puncheon yesterday ahead of Guly - it just shows why Adkins is such a good manager who really understands the game. We should be thankful that he's at the helm rather than the likes of you or me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Says a lot about the mentality of some people that they HAVE to have a 'worst player' even though we have just put in an excellent collective team performance in which no one overtly put a foot wrong and there was quality throughout the pitch. Anyway, the facts about Guly are these: - he currently stands 7th in the top scorer chart, ahead of the likes of Maynard, Sordell and Jutkiewicz, all of whom many fans advocated that we break the bank for. - The 10 league goals he has scored this season have directly led to 3 wins; in other words, his goals have been the difference between us and the opposition 3 times. Without those goals, we would be somewhere near the bottom end of the play offs. - this does not include assists such as Reading, where clearly a magic touch from him set Stief up to equalize. There are those that seem to suggest that Puncheon should have played instead of him yesterday. Does anyone think that Puncheon, if he had played all season ahead of Guly, would have a similar record? What about Chappers, another competitor for his place on the right? No, i don't think so. I like Chappers, i like Guly and I think Puncheon will offer us a lot between now and the end of the season. There will be games where one is preferred over the other. For what it's worth, i hope Puncheon plays in that spot on Tuesday night ahead of Guly. But what i do know is that a player who has been a major contributor to our season does not deserve some of the crap written about them on here. Well-researched and reasoned...we have a strong squad made stronger by Guly's presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 When we are in the Premiership Guly will be in his element---I hope and believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_John Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 IMO Guly plays well when he has alot of players making runs off of him. He has a good football brain and can see the runs e.g yesterday for Richardson, or Steve at Reading etc. He knows when to come inside from wide areas and when to stay wide etc. Yesterday the whole team were very mobile, we always had 2 or 3 making runs for him (and other players). This imo makes him a good team player to have. Guly plays poorly when the team is stationary and each player stays in his own area of the pitch, he is never going to be a player who will produce an individual dribbling run, he is not that type of player. The supporters who critise him when he loses the ball should look at the rest of the team and I guarantee that they will be stood stationary, taking a rest or walking back from an offside position. IMO I don't think certain supporters have realised that the style of football played by the club has changed since AP left. Nigel likes to play "pass and move" and the focus is on "team work" and "movement off the ball" and players who can play different systems, hence he likes Guly. He is NOT a rigid "old school" type manager who only plays 442 and focuses on "individual skill" from a player (e.g dribbling past x players etc), however I think certain supporters still hanker for that type of player (and manager). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 I agree he was effective in that position today - surprisingly so because in his early days I didn't think he played the wide role that well. I think he is becoming a very versatile player for us, albeit a bit frustrating at times. I think this is the key. Although he starts on the wing (a role he does not like) he is given a free role which is why you see him working all over the pitch. This the role he revels in likes. When absent from thee wing Richardson moves up and covers him well. Meanwhile the opposition simply don't know how to mark him. Defensively he was good yesterday too. Never though he would progress beyond league one football and pleased to be proved wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Guly was average in league one, frustrating in the campionship but will be a great player in the prem....... Go figure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Agreed, although Guly put in an improved performence for his standards, I still feel he was Saints poorest player on the park yesterday... I appreciate this is a bit of a wind up by you but Guly was - obviously Ricky apart - the best player on the park. He was constantly available, made himself an enormous amount of space and ensured we didn't give the ball away - setting up attacks down the right and through the middle when we could and recycling it when we couldn't. In fact overall no great surprise that having picked our strongest team we won not only won the game against a good side but gave our best footballing performance of the season. We should always start with that team at home if they are fit, although I can see a case for a more defensive right midfielder for away games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 No idea what people were seeing him do positively yesterday. Whenever he got the ball near the halfway line and Saints were on the attack he just stood still and played it to Richardson on the overlap. I never saw him take it and run with, trying to beat a man. Defensively he was out of position many times. It really is surprising how people seem to watch completely different games to one another sometimes! With the decent performances put in by Puncheon recently, I would have played him ahead of Guly for sure. And I'm really disappointed for Steve to be entirely left out of the squad. I just don't think Guly is my type of player tbh. Quite simply mate, you don't know what you're talking about. Guly, Lallana and Lambert were the three best players on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Agreed, although Guly put in an improved performence for his standards, I still feel he was Saints poorest player on the park yesterday... **** me! Beyond clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 NA said himself last night "Guly is awful" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Donovan Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 If guly wasnt our worst player yesterday, who was? No one had a particularly bad game but I'd say Frazer "Floaty ball" Richardson was wasteful far too often Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 No one had a particularly bad game but I'd say Frazer "Floaty ball" Richardson was wasteful far too often Richardson had his best game for months. What were yo watching? bizarre comments on this thread. No one had a poor performance, it was back to being a good team performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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