CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 You're brave calling me a mong from behind your keyboard. Knobhead. But I didn't mean you sweetheart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 Did Lee make an appearance? If so how did he play?with about two minutes of injury time left. Still made the most of it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 You seem to be having a problem understanding that I don't agree with you. Yeah that's right! I had no idea until now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 and why did Nigel Adkins hook him off if he was so brilliant ?Strange as it may seem, not every player gets substituted because he is playing sh1te. Sometimes it is tactical, like closing the game out with Hammond. It is not that difficult to fathom out tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 Wrote a write-up of the day for anybody interested: http://notplayedonpaper.blogspot.com/2012/02/nigels-big-day.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 Oh I got your drift - such as it is. You seem to be having a problem understanding that I don't agree with you. If you think Guly was great today then why don't you expand on your argument ? What exactly did he do that impressed you so very much, and why did Nigel Adkins hook him off if he was so brilliant ? By that inane logic, Sharp was sh*te (taken off much earlier) and far from one half of potentially the most lethal strike force in the division (your words). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 Yeah that's right! I had no idea until now The fact that you have no idea comes as no surprise. Still awaiting some detailed analysis of Guly's great performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gammon cheeks Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 if Guly is so poor, I am really looking forward to an even better replacement. Guly is a very good, very effective player, who has probably been carrying a knock. He's not perfect, but NA had plenty of options other than to start with him today. Perhaps NA subbed him for tactical or fitness reasons. We have another big game tuesday. Maybe puncheon had a slight knock ? Thats why guly played instead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 The fact that you have no idea comes as no surprise. Still awaiting some detailed analysis of Guly's great performance.What would be the point? I am happy enough to note that I am not alone in my view that he turned in a good performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 Oh I always read what others say, but I aways call things only as I see them. Now whether my view happens to coincide with that of others is as unimportant a matter to me, as it should be to you. Rest assured I'm certainty not going to be in fear of expressing myself just because it is unpopular on here. Indeed, and I didn't suggest anything of the sort... you're quite right to call it as you see it, but I just wonder if, given the weight of response to the contrary, whether that might cause you to reconsider at all? Unlike others I'm not saying you're wrong or criticising you, just genuinely wonder how you came to your conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 By that inane logic, Sharp was sh*te (taken off much earlier) and far from one half of potentially the most lethal strike force in the division (your words). Sharp had a fine game I thought, you'd have to ask the manager why he was taken off. I say the reason Guly was substituted is probably because he was not performing to the managers satisfaction at the time - in my opinion of course. For what its worth, I thought we regained a degree of control of the match with Dean Hammond on for Guly - doubtless everyone else will disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 What would be the point? I am happy enough to note that I am not alone in my view that he turned in a good performance. Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one. ~ Charles Mackay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_lambden Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 Some of our fans were pathetic today. A bloke behind me was basically almost crying when Connolly came on and called Adkins 'clueless'. Clinical moron. Poor atmosphere but good performance and result. Guly, Lambert, Fox, Richardson and Cork all great - just to name a few! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one. ~ Charles MackayWow! Well done again. Now stop boring the t1ts off me and go and post your views on the "Guly watch" thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 Indeed, and I didn't suggest anything of the sort... you're quite right to call it as you see it, but I just wonder if, given the weight of response to the contrary, whether that might cause you to reconsider at all? Unlike others I'm not saying you're wrong or criticising you, just genuinely wonder how you came to your conclusion. I drew this conclusion based on attending the match today, carefully observing this players performance, and formulating a view as to his real contribution to our team effort based on that evidence. As anyone who has ever undergone jury service will readily confirm, it is a fact of life that different people can very often see exactly the same evidence very differently - t'was ever thus. It does not necessarily follow that an opinion held by a majority must therefore be right, or that a opinion only voiced by a minority must therefore be wrong. For that matter I don't measure the truth by 'weight' of opiniuon alone. I stand by what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 Sharp had a fine game I thought, you'd have to ask the manager why he was taken off. I say the reason Guly was substituted is probably because he was not performing to the managers satisfaction at the time - in my opinion of course. For what its worth, I thought we regained a degree of control of the match with Dean Hammond on for Guly - doubtless everyone else will disagree. Sharp had a good game - while he's still learning the ropes, there were glimpses that he offers something quite different and a better, more muscular outlet than DC. Just saying that today being subbed wasn't a comment on any player's performance as Sharp showed. In Guly's case, we were 2 up and cruising and change was made in the 80th min - hard to see how much can be read into that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 I drew this conclusion based on attending the match today, carefully observing this players performance, and formulating a view as to his real contribution to our team effort based on that evidence. As anyone who has ever undergone jury service will readily confirm, it is a fact of life that different people can very often see exactly the same evidence very differently - t'was ever thus. It does not necessarily follow that an opinion held by a majority must therefore be right, or that a opinion only voiced by a minority must therefore be wrong. For that matter I don't measure the truth by 'weight' of opiniuon alone. I stand by what I said. It also goes without saying that occasionally the majority are right, and the minority are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 Wow! Well done again. Now stop boring the t1ts off me and go and post your views on the "Guly watch" thread. If your attention span is so childishly limited I can only suggest you attempt to locate the 'off' button on your computer old chap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 11 February, 2012 Share Posted 11 February, 2012 It also goes without saying that occasionally the majority are right, and the minority are wrong. Then why did you say it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 I drew this conclusion based on attending the match today, carefully observing this players performance, and formulating a view as to his real contribution to our team effort based on that evidence. As anyone who has ever undergone jury service will readily confirm, it is a fact of life that different people can very often see exactly the same evidence very differently - t'was ever thus. It does not necessarily follow that an opinion held by a majority must therefore be right, or that a opinion only voiced by a minority must therefore be wrong. For that matter I don't measure the truth by 'weight' of opiniuon alone. I stand by what I said. Fair enough. I think you're getting a bit defensive about it, perhaps in light of other responses, and indeed I'm not looking for the 'truth' because it is not a matter of right or wrong... I was hoping for a more specific critique so I could put your opinion into context - some idea of your expectations perhaps and therefore why he fell short of it. I'm just trying to get the bigger picture and actually, I find you learn more in the minority comments (whether you agree or disagree) than the majority, because that person has picked up on something more subtle or less well-observed by the majority. Anyway, let's see what the Football League Show has to offer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Sharp had a good game - while he's still learning the ropes, there were glimpses that he offers something quite different and a better, more muscular outlet than DC. Just saying that today being subbed wasn't a comment on any player's performance as Sharp showed. In Guly's case, we were 2 up and cruising and change was made in the 80th min - hard to see how much can be read into that. I thought (no doubt on my own again) that Burnley put us under some real pressure form the restart - for the only time during the match as it happens. If part of our managers reaction to that apparent threat was to bring Guly off and put Hammond on, it seemed to work. Not being privy to the thoughts of Nigel Adkins this must remain my speculation of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Two of your three bad points are works of complete fiction - but I hope your 10 year feels warmer now. Absolute garbage about guly. He played very well today and worked his socks off, wake up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Firstly can the two internet warriors **** off and sort it out in the car park as this thread is about the game today. Great win and sets things up nicely for Tuesday. Good to see Sharp getting a goal and Lallana back to form as well. Would happily take a point Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 That would be you then. I had hoped that this forum had progressed beyond extravagantly praising Saints players just because they make a show of running around for you - they are very well paid to do that and to be frank that is the very least I expect from any Saints player. You may be satisfied with mere physical effort shipmate, I like to see some skill to go along with it thanks very much. All our players put a shift in today - but if that was all we needed then Simon Gillett would still be here. Guly wasn't just poor today - he was borderline dismal. All in all I think I'd rather have seen Jason Puncheon out there in all honesty rather than Guly - and that's saying summit because I don't think very much of him either. No...you really are wrong - I'm surrounded by a group who constantly find fault with him, sometimes justifiably but today they were won over (I suspect short term). He adds something different to the team and when he puts in a shift and his touches come off he's (as today) great for thye team. I felt he looked more comfortable in today's role than he has for a few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 I thought (no doubt on my own again) that Burnley put us under some real pressure form the restart - for the only time during the match as it happens. If part of our managers reaction to that apparent threat was to bring Guly off and put Hammond on, it seemed to work. Not being privy to the thoughts of Nigel Adkins this must remain my speculation of course. Again would agree up to a point - they started the 2nd half brightly but faded by the midway point esp after DC came on. Hammond tightened things up -if only because of a fresh pair of legs; but by then Burnley had given up the ghost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 No...you really are wrong - I'm surrounded by a group who constantly find fault with him, sometimes justifiably but today they were won over (I suspect short term). He adds something different to the team and when he puts in a shift and his touches come off he's (as today) great for thye team. I felt he looked more comfortable in today's role than he has for a few weeks. You may be surprised to hear that I too am surrounded by other fans - even in the Chapel ! Although I don't take all that much notice of what they say because I form my own opinions without much reference to what others think, for what its worth Guly today came in for plenty of criticism from those around me - believe you me some of it more rather strident than anything I've posted. People keep saying he's great without being able to provide examples of his supposed greatness, and how it was materially vital to our winning of this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 (edited) Absolute garbage about guly. He played very well today and worked his socks off, wake up!Ermmm, that is what I have been saying - or can't you read? I don't think it is me who needs to wake up Roger :-) Edited 12 February, 2012 by kpturner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Firstly can the two internet warriors **** off and sort it out in the car park as this thread is about the game today. Great win and sets things up nicely for Tuesday. Good to see Sharp getting a goal and Lallana back to form as well. Would happily take a point Tuesday.Believe it or not the debate about Guly (between more than two people I believe) is related to today game - HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 If you think what Guly did for us today was great then you're far too easily pleased mush. He was sh1te. You are one of the few people on this board tonight who thinks that. Even his critics were lauding him. TBH I think that you must watch Guly with a pair of blinkers on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Oh I always read what others say, but I aways call things only as I see them. Now whether my view happens to coincide with that of others is as unimportant a matter to me, as it should be to you. Rest assured I'm certainty not going to be in fear of expressing myself just because it is unpopular on here. You are entitled to your opinion - but you are wrong!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 People keep saying he's great without being able to provide examples of his supposed greatness, and how it was materially vital to our winning of this game. Thankfully you've provided complete balance by being descriptive and erudite on everything he did today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 You may be surprised to hear that I too am surrounded by other fans - even in the Chapel ! Although I don't take all that much notice of what they say because I form my own opinions without much reference to what others think, for what its worth Guly today came in for plenty of criticism from those around me - believe you me some of it more rather strident than anything I've posted. People keep saying he's great without being able to provide examples of his supposed greatness, and how it was materially vital to our winning of this game. And of course there is no herd response in that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Ffs ruin other threads but not the post match one where people come to read about the opinions of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 ive just got in from work, looking forward to what people have to say about the game,its called post match thread i believe,i find two or three muppets argueing over guly.are we not all red and white,this site gets worse by the day with a few slagging each other off.everyone has an opinion,let them say what they feel ffs.coys great result today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Virtually half the post match thread taken up by a selfish moronic argument. Wonderful. Well done chaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 A good read apart from the two ladies arguing over Guly. Nice to get back to winning ways, sounded good on the radio, miss being at St Mary's every other week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Sharp was taken off as he had a few niggles, said NA in post match interview. He was knocked flying in the first half and I could clearly see from the Chapel Stand that he was limping for a few minutes. NA wants him fit for the WH game so this substitution was correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Sharp was taken off as he had a few niggles, said NA in post match interview. He was knocked flying in the first half and I could clearly see from the Chapel Stand that he was limping for a few minutes. NA wants him fit for the WH game so this substitution was correct. Personally I would have prefered Guly to have moved up front and brought Puncheon on to the right. Though in fairness Conolloy did cause them some problems and did played better than he has in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 The last few dozen/hundred posts or whatever are a great exampe of how $h!te this site is - mong, ***, whatever. Abuse. Vitriol. Divided bu a common cause maybe? FFS, CEC in particular, just fark off or whatever, or maybe its just too much grog tonight. Bye bye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 I have just looked at the latest pages to the post match thread . I know people will have differing views about players but the few who constantly look for and target a specific player for flaming . Last week it was Connolly . Why you do it only you will are know . Yesterday was an Alround team performance singing from the same tune . Guly got a rapturous applause when hee was subbed . I suspect a minority on here have an agenda on here re guly . FFs get behind the lads whichever 11 on the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefuriousb Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 I thought (no doubt on my own again) that Burnley put us under some real pressure form the restart - for the only time during the match as it happens. If part of our managers reaction to that apparent threat was to bring Guly off and put Hammond on, it seemed to work. Not being privy to the thoughts of Nigel Adkins this must remain my speculation of course. So Adkins waited 35 minutes to react to the pressure applied from the restart? In which case, your criticism should in fact be aimed at the manager. It was after all he that was tactically inept FWIW, Burnley made 2 attacking substitiutions and changed their formation to accommodate this. Whilst they may have had more of the ball for a period in the second half, our back four were 'comfortable' IMO, and burnley were wide open at the back..just one ball caused them all sorts of problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 If any one is interested I was at the match and there were 14 players used by Saints and everyone of them did well. Including Guly, and I am not on of his greatest fans. I thought Sharp looked just that and really is the missing link. Lambert was outstanding again. His control, his ability to find space and to bring others into play, his sheer presence is just so crucial to us. He is the one irreplaceable player in our team. But they all played well today against a decent, if limited, Burnley team. (Just two little questi0ns - why did we yet again have all the possession, shots & corners yet concede double the number of free-kicks that Burnley did. Are we dirtier than I imagine us to be or are the refs a bunch of ******s? Also, how come Brizzle played like the best team in the division twice against us but have lost virtually every other game they have played?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Did anyone else feel that we were just a little more direct and purposeful yesterday? More passes forwards and a better awareness from the players of when to knock one a little longer and when to play down the flanks right from KD. Also aided by Burnley being unable to get close enough to Fox and Richarsdson to nip attacks in the bud like teams have been doing so effectively against us recently, Leicester being the best example. Martin has been good but yesterdays result was aided by the return of Hooiveld who was a man mountain and was my second MOTM after Lambert who looked like a prem striker yesterday. Another positive was Lallanas best performance in a long while, indeed he seemed to me to look fitter and hungrier than he has over the past few months. On this mornings reflection what a huge win this may prove to be come the final weeks of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Also, how come Brizzle played like the best team in the division twice against us but have lost virtually every other game they have played?) Their centre-half, Louis Carey, who was allowed to get away with continually fouling Lambert, is out injured. They have also sold Maynard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesb Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 firstly can the two internet warriors **** off and sort it out in the car park as this thread is about the game today. Great win and sets things up nicely for tuesday. Good to see sharp getting a goal and lallana back to form as well. Would happily take a point tuesday. this!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareham saint phil Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Thought it was an excellent game, apart from 15 mins start of 2nd half,for having such a "potent" forward line, burnley were very poor but i like to think that the return Jos and Jose combination was as good as ive seen this season. Cork was superb and the best midfielder on view, Lallana is just pure class as well, he makes beating 3 players so easy. Lambert was amazing as well and what must defenses think when they see him and Billy Sharp on the team sheet, as for Billy his chest control is amazing and his runs into space are fantastic to watch. Didnt think that was his goal, although not complaining certainly looked like an own goal. A really happy bunny today as they certainly looked back to their best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fez Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zhnmo9v2Qw&feature=youtu.be I don't think anyone else has put them up yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 You may be surprised to hear that I too am surrounded by other fans - even in the Chapel ! Although I don't take all that much notice of what they say because I form my own opinions without much reference to what others think, for what its worth Guly today came in for plenty of criticism from those around me - believe you me some of it more rather strident than anything I've posted. People keep saying he's great without being able to provide examples of his supposed greatness, and how it was materially vital to our winning of this game. Look, you've made your point ad nauseum; that you don't think that Guly is worth a place in the team and that you don't think he had a good game yesterday. So your opinion flies in the face of the majority who think that he had a good game. You're entitled to your opinion and although a majority counter opinion does not prove yours wrong, howver it is suggestive of that, especially judging by the warmth of the ovation when he was substituted. Although ultimately though, the one opinion that really counts, is Adkins'. Perhaps you ought to send him an email and tell him that his decisions stink and that he ought to pay more heed to your expert opinion. For myself, Adkins' tactics and team selection were spot-on yesterday and the scoreline reflects that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 Did anyone else feel that we were just a little more direct and purposeful yesterday?Yes it did seem like we were more direct. Several times in the first half we looked to go straight to Lambert for a knock down to Sharp, but not frequently enough for it to be deemed "hoof ball". I thought we mixed it up quite well. Lambert seemed to pick the ball up wide more often than normal also. Although he has a good touch, rarely loses it and usually finds a decent pass/cross, I couldn't help thinking I would prefer him on the end of his own ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 12 February, 2012 Share Posted 12 February, 2012 I think CHAPEL END CHARLIE may have a little hangover this morning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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