Saint Garrett Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 Was this even definitely Millwall fans ? How do you know ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 who remembers the mental deaf and dumb millwall fan always in the corner post after dell matches ? what a character Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 who remembers the mental deaf and dumb millwall fan always in the corner post after dell matches ? what a character Tony was in no way Mental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 Of course I have been drunk before. How does my theory relate to pubs? Why should you, I, or anyone have to suffer people who cannot control their actions to due excessive alcohol intake? Especially when we have paid good money to attend a sporting event, which is complately different to being in a pub. A 3 year ban is certainly an OTT punishment, but that doesnt make the relevant law being broken a 'disgusting' one. You seemed overly worried about drunk people spoiling other people's days out. Surely that logic would apply to all situations or do you just not deem it acceptable at the football... an event that has always had a large drinking culture attached to it. The law is "disgusting" in the way that police chose to implement it, basically picking on someone when they can be bothered. Why does it have to be illegal? Why does there have to be such a severe punishment attached to it? If someone is too drunk, just refuse them entry, job done. It's illegal to serve someone at a bar if they're drunk, why aren't we dishing out 3 year bans to stop people from entering an drinking establishment? It's just another soft, pathetic law picking on football fans as we're an easy target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 I know a lot more Chelsea fans that go to games in Andover than Arsenal. Must be pretty close though. There's a few W ham & QPR (including Jesus) aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolsaint29 Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 Why would what's obviously a father and son living in Bitterne be Millwall fans?? What in the same way me and my old man live in Bristol but support Saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 What in the same way me and my old man live in Bristol but support Saints? But Saints have a history,Millwall .....well it's Millwall innit. When I was stationed in ministries in London,amongst colleagues only those who actually came from around Millwall actually supported Millwall. I mean it has nothing to recommend it, no Uni, no glorious past,no reason to be there unless you come from the hole, absolutely nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 Aren't a lot of the arguments on here symptomatic of a society wide problem, a lack of respect for authority, self respect and decency. A copper gets whacked by a drunk moron outside a football ground and people immediately take the viewpoint that the copper in question must've been the one in the wrong. Bit sad really. Brief moan over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 I arrived late (and had to buy a ticket) and saw this. There were about 5 police holding the guy down, who was screaming "you are breaking my f***ing arm". I wonder if they managed it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 You seemed overly worried about drunk people spoiling other people's days out. Surely that logic would apply to all situations or do you just not deem it acceptable at the football... an event that has always had a large drinking culture attached to it. The law is "disgusting" in the way that police chose to implement it, basically picking on someone when they can be bothered. Why does it have to be illegal? Why does there have to be such a severe punishment attached to it? If someone is too drunk, just refuse them entry, job done. It's illegal to serve someone at a bar if they're drunk, why aren't we dishing out 3 year bans to stop people from entering an drinking establishment? It's just another soft, pathetic law picking on football fans as we're an easy target. it is designed to treat football fans like 2nd class citizens, there are already existing laws the police can use, drunk and disorderly and drunk and incapable if they want to, but they created an additional crime of being drunk in a football crowd purely as it allows them to target people with a low evidence threshold. you can go to rubgy and cricket and they practically encourage you to pour beer down your neck all day. i know of someone personally who was arrested and taken to court for being drunk in a football ground at an away game last year. he pleaded not guilty, the old bill lost cctv, lost the custody suite video, but the magistrate still convicted based on statements of 3 officers who lied about the extent of intoxication, that lad now has a 3 year banning order. it is not against the law to be drunk walking down the street but it is when entering a football ground - why? this should be like a nightclub with the stewards allowed to eject or refuse entry, but to make it an arrestable offence shows how stupid the law is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 to add to that, even though the police had taken him to a station they did not breathalise him depsite having the apparatus available, again - why not? if it was a drink driving offence they would, but they knew they wanted to created a situation of a football fans word against theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 it is not against the law to be drunk walking down the street but it is when entering a football ground - why? Actually, it is! You'd just be very, very unlucky to be nicked for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 Actually, it is! You'd just be very, very unlucky to be nicked for it. Drunk and disorderly used to be one of the most common offences,when the Police didn't have thousands of under aged violent,drug dependant,p*ss artists to round up of a Friday night that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 Actually, it is! You'd just be very, very unlucky to be nicked for it. but with that what is your definition of drunk? for him they claimed he was unsteady on his feet, slurred speech and smelt heavily of intoxicant, how can you defend yourself against that? it is based on the opinion of coppers some of which are happy to bend the rules to get a conviction. for someones breath to have the smell of beer, inside a venue that sells.......guess what? Beer!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 Actually, it is! You'd just be very, very unlucky to be nicked for it. and also why not use the same law that applies to that then? why have a law re: being drunk in a football ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 I got drunk in town one night and (responsibly I thought) slept in the car instead of trying to drive home. I got done for being drunk in charge of a motor vehicle. Where's the sense in that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 I got drunk in town one night and (responsibly I thought) slept in the car instead of trying to drive home. I got done for being drunk in charge of a motor vehicle. Where's the sense in that? Always been the case,used to be said that to avoid that possibly happening you have to give up the keys,but then if you had someone to give them to I guess they could drive you home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 Always been the case,used to be said that to avoid that possibly happening you have to give up the keys,but then if you had someone to give them to I guess they could drive you home. Believe you can only get done if you're sat in the drivers seat with the keys on your person? Just chuck the keys in the glove-box and kip on the back seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 but with that what is your definition of drunk? for him they claimed he was unsteady on his feet, slurred speech and smelt heavily of intoxicant, how can you defend yourself against that? it is based on the opinion of coppers some of which are happy to bend the rules to get a conviction. for someones breath to have the smell of beer, inside a venue that sells.......guess what? Beer!! Normally when Police pick on someone as drunk it is because they are almost incapable of doing anything. If this man was as drunk as suggested how could he have done the copper's jaw? Not siding with the act of violence, mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 I got drunk in town one night and (responsibly I thought) slept in the car instead of trying to drive home. I got done for being drunk in charge of a motor vehicle. Where's the sense in that? My mate did a similar thing, except the copper was ok about it, he took his keys & wrote on his arm that he could pick tham up at the nick. My mate had a long walk from Town Quay to the Civic Centre and back again the following morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 (edited) Believe you can only get done if you're sat in the drivers seat with the keys on your person? Just chuck the keys in the glove-box and kip on the back seat. My brother in law got done for having a spare key to his wifes car on his keyring. He hadnt been driving and wasnt going to, she'd been the driver all that night, but the coppers saw that he had clearly had a few, and searched him. Spare key in his pocket: bingo. He got a 7 day ban and the minimum fine the judge could impose, (the judge wasnt impressed with the police case,) but a D + D record and all the insurance hassle that goes with it. He was in the passenger seat btw, and she was behind the wheel. Edited 10 February, 2012 by scotty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 I am talking nearly 30 years ago, but did there not used to be a nutter walking round town in a Millwall shirt most weeks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 I am talking nearly 30 years ago, but did there not used to be a nutter walking round town in a Millwall shirt most weeks! So that would be in the early 80s,replica shirts were still quite a novelty I'd think. Come to think of it I can't recall one person that I know going to Wembley in a replica shirt in 76 nor for the League Cup final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 I am talking nearly 30 years ago, but did there not used to be a nutter walking round town in a Millwall shirt most weeks! Around that time (70s/early 80s) Tony, the deaf and dumb fella, used to wear a white coat adorned with Millwall slogans etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 Tony was in no way Mental Obviously i didn't mean literally mental, never mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 Around that time (70s/early 80s) Tony, the deaf and dumb fella, used to wear a white coat adorned with Millwall slogans etc. That is the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 it is designed to treat football fans like 2nd class citizens, there are already existing laws the police can use, drunk and disorderly and drunk and incapable if they want to, but they created an additional crime of being drunk in a football crowd purely as it allows them to target people with a low evidence threshold. you can go to rubgy and cricket and they practically encourage you to pour beer down your neck all day. i know of someone personally who was arrested and taken to court for being drunk in a football ground at an away game last year. he pleaded not guilty, the old bill lost cctv, lost the custody suite video, but the magistrate still convicted based on statements of 3 officers who lied about the extent of intoxication, that lad now has a 3 year banning order. it is not against the law to be drunk walking down the street but it is when entering a football ground - why? this should be like a nightclub with the stewards allowed to eject or refuse entry, but to make it an arrestable offence shows how stupid the law is He should appeal. The police hav e screwed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWillie Posted 10 February, 2012 Author Share Posted 10 February, 2012 he didn't, his son did (allegedly !) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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