MatthewStiles Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Some nice cherry picking going on with the quotes from Van Der Vaart but thanks to the link we can also see that Van der Vaart says "Harry is a very special man, that's why I already feel at home at Spurs" On the plus side for Harry is that his teams play good football. He was unlucky with Saints, we were at the bottom of the table when he took over. We should have beaten Boro and Everton but conceded last minute goals. If we had won just one of those we would have stayed up (assuming all other results were the same). Also, he does seem to be a genuinely nice bloke. I played for an Ugly Inside team against a West Ham fanzine team at a West Ham training ground and was amazed when Harry popped in to say hello. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.REX Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Some nice cherry picking going on with the quotes from Van Der Vaart but thanks to the link we can also see that Van der Vaart says "Harry is a very special man, that's why I already feel at home at Spurs" Yeah fair enough i was cherry picking it to suit my argument, but i still think it raises legitimate questions about his candidacy for the England job. Is just letting the players get on with it going to be good enough when we come up against teams who are more technically gifted. Surely then we'll need a bit more tactical nous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 I just can't get over that... ...in April 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 I don't blame Redknapp for relegation. What I find hard to forgive is how, after we stood by him, gave him the chance to rebuild the team, he ran back into the arms of Milan Mandarec. He showed no loyalty at all, although many will say Lowe made life impossible for him to remain. For me he's a top coach/manager having shown many times his capacities, yet for me, two things rule him out of the England job. Firstly his recent health concerns and operation, and secondly, he's too old to take on the World Cup in 2014. He'd be the best for the Euros in June but then tatty bye. Can you show us mere mortals, what he has done to deserve that accreditation? he won the FA cup at Poopey, a cup I might add, that they bought, with players they could ill afford. What else?...............oh yes he left Bournmouth with finacial problems, Poopey and West Ham the same, so imo, you are buying into the myth, that is 'arry Rednapp! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Would it be so bad to let Pearce do it? Do the FA lose out? Short term deal, see how he does in the Euros, then decide permanent position. Most respect him as a former international, he's got good international experience and his management record wasn't the worst. He'd certainly give them a good kick up the arse and I can't see him putting up with egos over team. There are a few options, Harry, O'Neill, Shearer, Hiddink, but I think this is the most likely one purely for continuity and delaying the decision. Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 we can't lose, bagpuss fails and gets some stick, bagpuss does well and England are a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints Warrior Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 TaxKnapp cant take the England job as he cant get any players in from other countries. He would have to work with English players only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Hoddle fo England ! (or Saints) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 It's harsh to call Harry the start of the five year downward spiral, we were always going down that season and only a heavy investment in the playing squad would have saved us. What I remember or at least it was my impression at the time was that we looked a better side after Harry joined, but the players weren't quite good enough to escape the drop. He hung about a bit after that but his job was pretty untenable with the Woodward & Clifton situations and I didn't even blame him for doing one when he did, except maybe that he didn't take Quashie with him and had already blown our entire £90k transfer budget on just one player!!! repeat a lie often enough.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Amusing view from The Guardian: Fabio Capello has won seven Serie A titles at three separate clubs, two Spanish titles in two seasons a decade apart, four Italian cups, a Uefa Super Cup, and Big Cup, when his 1994 Milan team delivered the greatest and most dominant single performance of modern times. Meanwhile in his penultimate game as England coach, his well-drilled young side ground out a result against world and European champions Spain, a sign that while nobody was expecting Brasil'70-style shenanigans any time soon, there were at least realistic and coherent plans being put in place, with a view to an acceptable showing at Euro 2012 and maybe even a smidgen of hope for the future. But consider this. Capello recently went on holiday over the Christmas period! He speaks Italian! He doesn't do chest-thumping passion! He hasn't wasted one nano-joule of energy in buttering up the English press pack! And not once in his so-called career has he won the FA Cup, or pulled off an audacious relegation escape by signing Paul Kitson and John Hartson, even though he was the man who led his team into deep relegation trouble in the first place, or got a club relegated from the top flight after a 27-year residency, or proved himself to be a more successful boss than Jacques Santini and Christian Gross and Ossie Ardiles and Doug Livermore and Ray Clemence! So, no loss, then. Chancer. Foreign chancer. Bye! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 TaxKnapp cant take the England job as he cant get any players in from other countries. He would have to work with English players only Could also be a problem if he has to fax in his application... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 All he cares about is money. Blatant lies to the world once again "I never thought about the job" If the FA offer him £5mill he'll be off to his new "spiritual home." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin Strain Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 (edited) An ex Saint friend of mine slagged him as a manager at the time and also told me Bond was a terrible coach. When he asked Bond why they don't practise defending from free kicks he was told to mind his won business. I heard this from a player who was at the club at the time too. The coaching staff were all completely disinterested - he thought it was shocking We shouldn't have been relegated with the team we had. He may have bought the odd good player in, but he also was responsible for Davenport and Bernard. Two of the worst signings I've ever seen. He had one important position to fill - a strong no nonsense centre half to fill Michael Svensson's boots. He brought in Davenport. Edited 9 February, 2012 by Chin Strain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 I just can't get over that... ...in April 2005. remind me, what was that about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 It's harsh to call Harry the start of the five year downward spiral, we were always going down that season and only a heavy investment in the playing squad would have saved us. What I remember or at least it was my impression at the time was that we looked a better side after Harry joined, but the players weren't quite good enough to escape the drop. He hung about a bit after that but his job was pretty untenable with the Woodward & Clifton situations and I didn't even blame him for doing one when he did, except maybe that he didn't take Quashie with him and had already blown our entire £90k transfer budget on just one player!!! I agree with all of that. He is the best man for the England job, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 remind me, what was that about? The skates ran riot over us, and put us on the brink of relegation, and he was winking at the skates directors box! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 He's Irish I believe. English born is Mick McCarthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Hoddle fo England ! (or Saints) I'd be happy with Hoddle (if he's not still up his own arse) or Redknapp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 According to this article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16960250 , Arry has "never even thought about the England job". Didn't he go crying to the press when the police raided his house a couple of years ago saying that it had ruined his chances of ever getting the England job that he'd always wanted? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-566756/I-havent-given-hope-managing-England-insists-Pompeys-Cup-Final-boss-Harry-Redknapp.html Suppose he doesn't have to tell the truth to the press though. He only tells the truth to the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Another East End barrow boy in charge of England [Venables and to a point Sir Alf] and Kevin Bond on the bench,if that is the best we can do,so be it,not overally bothered, Saints come well before England in my eyes and always will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 The skates ran riot over us, and put us on the brink of relegation, and he was winking at the skates directors box! Are we sure it wasn't a twitch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 One other thought.... If you were a promising player coming through the U21's - would you be happy, based on Redknapp's record (WHU aside) with young players? He won't bring them through. It'll be same old, same old. The only reason I want him to be England manager is so the press hound him like the football chancer that he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 One other thought.... If you were a promising player coming through the U21's - would you be happy, based on Redknapp's record (WHU aside) with young players? He won't bring them through. It'll be same old, same old. The only reason I want him to be England manager is so the press hound him like the football chancer that he is. Yep and when England fail as they always do he will get stick and no longer be the media`s favourite "rent a quote" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 Interesting dilemma though, rather like the Swedish Social Democrats who've had more names suggested than Saints have had managers in the last 10 years. No-one wanted the job that sound so prestigious ! However, if all else (sensible) fails.... the big Q. will be ..Will a Tottenham manager pick Arsenal players in front of his own prodigies? After all (he'll say) he did give Theo Walcott his debut at Saints...and then again... there's that Alex (wot's 'is name lad där too) Oxtail Chamberpot ! NO, sorry 'arry - he wasn't one of yours ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 He was unlucky with Saints, we were at the bottom of the table when he took over. No we weren't, we were 3 points clear of the relegation zone when he took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 The skates ran riot over us, and put us on the brink of relegation, and he was winking at the skates directors box! Oh Yeah "Mission accomplished Milan, can I have another lump sum in my Monacao account now?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svetigpung Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 Harry , definately NOT. He doesn't have the quality for an international side. Tatically inept. Pyscoc , yep for one match only. Let him concentrate on the U21 team. I reckon the FA will be ringing to Madrid and offering a few million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 Well then you're obviously wrong, the FA have said that they prefer an English or British manager. Harry will be offered the job and he'll probably take it. He'll do well because he understands the mentality of the English player and the English fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millbrook Saint Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 Wasn't he about to loan Bale out to Forest before he had an injury crisis and had to stick him in the team. Great spotter of talent eh, I expect he will get the credit for discovering, nurturing and producing a top player when really he would have have got shot of him if he hadn't been forced to play him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 do you think he'll play Matty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 I've heard that Redknapp will definately take the job for the Euro's As long as there paid straight into his Monaco account Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 I agree with all of that. He is the best man for the England job, for sure. Before that, he's got a job to do with the Spurs reserves, now they're back in training after jury service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 Well. I was right. Londoncentric press (Mirror) think he's TRIFFIC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeather Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 He was unlucky with Saints, we were at the bottom of the table when he took over. We were not. We were only just in the relegation zone when he took over (http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2004-2005/table/2004-12-06) . And then we finished bottom. He came in, was immediately negative about our chances (banging on about what a 'massive job' it would be to keep us up) and never took any ownership or interest. Total c|_|nt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simondo Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 the whole thing reminds me of 'Dave Basset - England Manager' anyone remember that film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonC Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 Interesting thread - as A Bournemouth fan, we do find it hard to gloss over the £100k golden handshake and a couple of over the top buys, as he guided us to the Championship for the first time and kept us there for THREE (not one!) seasons..yes, big wow I know, but without the Leeds match being the last match of the season and all the trouble it brought, we may well have survived another year.. I don't agree that he is wholly a chequebook manager though - at the start of our Div3 winning season in 86-87, he had 11 players and no goalie, with the main striker gone (a certain Mr Clarke!). He then fashioned a team that took the then Div3 points total record with 97 points, getting some cheap youngsters like Carl Richards, old warhorses like John Williams (aka Solent radio) and some battlers (Tony Pulis). For these reasons, I think he'll do well with England - as he plays good football and treats the 'stars' like adults...although shame they rarely act like them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 I've heard that Redknapp will definately take the job for the Euro's As long as there paid straight into his Monaco account brilliant mate, you should be on the stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 We were not. We were only just in the relegation zone when he took over (http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2004-2005/table/2004-12-06) . And then we finished bottom. He came in, was immediately negative about our chances (banging on about what a 'massive job' it would be to keep us up) and never took any ownership or interest. Total c|_|nt. This ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 Here is a list of Redknapp's transfers at every club he's managed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmOzhDdcSE4GdEQ1OThfZWRxM2VOOVRFQTdXWUFFWWc&hl=en#gid=0 Whether it's completely correct or not I have no idea, however it gives a good overview of just how many players he's been through over the years. Oh and in my opinion the bloke is a complete tool. I'm pretty ambiguous as to whether he gets the England job or not because I'm not that fussed about the national team as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 Ummmm we need an English Manager, who shall we appoint? What a load of cobblers, while it's farcicle I don't think it matters too much really. Has anybody actually considered that perhaps the reason that England managers have all failed so dismally in the past is that we don't have as good players as, Spain, Germany, France, Portugal, Holland etc, etc, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 Dreadful man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_John Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 Interesting thread - as A Bournemouth fan, we do find it hard to gloss over the £100k golden handshake and a couple of over the top buys, as he guided us to the Championship for the first time and kept us there for THREE (not one!) seasons..yes, big wow I know, but without the Leeds match being the last match of the season and all the trouble it brought, we may well have survived another year.. I don't agree that he is wholly a chequebook manager though - at the start of our Div3 winning season in 86-87, he had 11 players and no goalie, with the main striker gone (a certain Mr Clarke!). He then fashioned a team that took the then Div3 points total record with 97 points, getting some cheap youngsters like Carl Richards, old warhorses like John Williams (aka Solent radio) and some battlers (Tony Pulis). For these reasons, I think he'll do well with England - as he plays good football and treats the 'stars' like adults...although shame they rarely act like them! As a cherry fan can I suggest you read "Broken Dreams" by Tom Bower (page 245). Here are a couple of quotes :- Ambitious for success, the club allowed Harry Redknapp to trade players despite the debt increasing between July 87 and June 1992 from £150k towards £2.6 million. In 1990 despite Redknapp's expenditure, including generous contracts with the players, the club was relegated to the 3rd Division. The club's debt was destined to increase to £4.4million. In 1992, the club's financial troubles compelled another change of ownership. Redknapp resigned. The 'worries and stress' of managing a club, Redknapp complained, prompted his resignation, but he boasted that during his six years, the club had earned £848,000 in profits by his transfers. ? was he on a percentage ? Pack a former Arsenal & Skate player became a corporate strategic planner, could only spot horrendous debts. Redknapp had increased the club's costs but not its income. The small profit on transfers had been swamped by the players' annual wages, which had rised about fivefold to around £1 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/capello-convicted-of-tax-evasion-201202094877/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 You can't criticise a manager for having a fantastic relationship with the press. That itself is at least 50% of the manager's job - managing press, his board, the fans, the public... Hard as I've tried, I cannot dislike Arry. So he likes a deal, so he likes a wise-crack, so he's a cheque book manager... so what. The truth is we were relegated because we'd had 13 managers in 11 years leaving us with a bloated squad of mainly average footballers. Redknapp was employed (knowingly) with a history as a cheque-book manager and given an empty purse. What he actually achieved at Pompey, with Milan, was to take a club at the foot of the Championship and win the FA Cup and deliver mid-top-table performances in the Premier League. The club didn't go bust when he and Milan were there. What he's achieved with Spurs is sensational given the relative spend. And anyone who thnks he cannot improve players needs to take a look at Gareth Bale - now easily the third best footballer in the world. Does he put on a tracksuit and train him?? No. Does MON? No. Does Fergie? No. Management is about results not about whether you coached the top scorer to bend the ball. Put it this way. Will we win the World Cup with Arry? Probably not. But do we have a structure that supports the England team? No, becuase most of us would rather win a corner for Saints than an England game. And sometimes, you're better with a lucky manager than a good one. And after that tax case, he is nothing if not lucky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 Ummmm we need an English Manager, who shall we appoint? What a load of cobblers, while it's farcicle I don't think it matters too much really. Has anybody actually considered that perhaps the reason that England managers have all failed so dismally in the past is that we don't have as good players as, Spain, Germany, France, Portugal, Holland etc, etc, etc. Have you considered that actually we have had some of the best but that our coaching and infrastructure are shocking? To hear professional footballers and commentators talking about not being able to 'train for penalties' is perverse. And is the reason why Tiger Woods doesn't bother to practice putting (because he can't access an eighteen deep gallery in his garden)... The reason we regained the Ashes and won a rugby world cup was because we had a long-term plan put into brutal effect. Woodward told the clubs how it would be and they bought it - because they believed in the vision. Likewise the cricket counties accepted change to support the national side. Whereas in football, if an England squad member steps on an ant in training, he's rushed off for a metatarsal analysis and bed-rest. This country supports club football, so who cares who runs the England side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 I wonder if there are any Spurs fans who are still naive enough to think that Redknapp will turn England down because of some sense of loyalty to his current club and its supporters. If so then they are in for a major disappointment because if there is one thing I know about Harry Redknapp for certain, it is that Harry Redknapp aways put the interests of Harry Redknapp first ..... and second for that matter. As for the much voiced argument that the next England manager must be English for some reason, this is nonsense of the silliest sort. The FA should seek to hire the best man for the job - regardless of where he was born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 I cant help but like Harry despite what happened when he was with us which I feel was down to him not getting on Lowe more than anything else. I feel he would bring the 1996 vibe back to English footy and it will be great to have a manager with some passion on the touchline rather than the lacklustre pair we have had recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 What he's achieved with Spurs is sensational given the relative spend. And anyone who thnks he cannot improve players needs to take a look at Gareth Bale - now easily the third best footballer in the world. Does he put on a tracksuit and train him?? No. Does MON? No. Does Fergie? No. "Sensational" - really?! Tottenham, of the current PL clubs (and noting that this link ignores the recent transfer window), are third highest net spenders over the last ten years. http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2011/08/12/arsenals-net-spending-of-48m-in-a-decade-puts-them-9th-in-premier-league-120802/ Only Chelsea and Man City have a higher net spend. Quite frankly, they were underachieving before and now they are about par. Now, presumably you consider Ronaldo and Messi to be the two best players? I bet Bale is chuffed to be "easily" better than Xavi, Iniesta, Silva, Aguero, van Persie, Fabregas, Robben, Neymar, Tevez, Toure, Benzema, Ozil, Ribery, Fabregas, Villa, Gomez... etc If you're going to argue a case, best to avoid astonishing hyperbole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 10 February, 2012 Share Posted 10 February, 2012 Hard as I've tried, I cannot dislike Arry. So he likes a deal, so he likes a wise-crack, so he's a cheque book manager... so what. The truth is we were relegated because we'd had 13 managers in 11 years leaving us with a bloated squad of mainly average footballers. Redknapp was employed (knowingly) with a history as a cheque-book manager and given an empty purse. I cant help but like Harry despite what happened when he was with us which I feel was down to him not getting on Lowe more than anything else. So much ********, this truely is the myth of Redknapp. He did have money when he came in, and spunked it on crocks like, er, his son, and wasters like Bernard and Davenport, because he couldn't be arsed. Then he spent the summer making bids for Blake and Morrison (who had said he was only going to move to palace). He then had a panic and bought fuller, after which the myth of the 90k budget sprung up. Because he couldn't be arsed. After that, he paid out money we didn't have (and looks to have been a bung) http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/southampton-mystified-by-163100000-that-went-missing-416213.html on players like tejera, who he insisted he needed but then didn't ever play. **** manager, who has only ever managed to beat big stage chokers (and lower division side) Cardiff (who have been failing to get promotion for the last zillion years). He wastes and discards careers. Yet looking at some of the posts on here, he is a pretty good ventriloquist A major South American club has admitted to The Independent that it received £100,000 from Southampton for a player who was actually available for nothing, in a transfer that has been reported to the Premier League's ongoing "bungs" inquiry as "suspicious". The whereabouts of the money remains unclear, and disputed, but the cash was paid by Southampton for the hire of a Uruguayan player who ended up never playing a first-team game. The revelation comes three days before a television investigation into irregular payments in football by the Panorama programme. Following our own extensive investigation, The Independent has established that Southampton paid £100,000 to the Montevideo-based club Peñarol in August last year for a 32-year-old midfielder, Marcelo Tejera. He was signed by the then manager, Harry Redknapp, who had steered the club towards Tejera's middlemen to negotiate the actual transaction. Triffic manager. And not a wheeler dealer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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