Kaiser Soze Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 People are moaning on here like we're about to go out of business. Granted we're on a poor run of results but people forget we only came up last year. Chill the f//k out and enjoy the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 I'm not surprised people are worried, 3 wins in 13 (albeit with an injury crisis for a bit of it) and we all know how tough this league can be, so there's no guarantee we'll be in as strong a position in any other season. It's a golden opportunity and we need to cash in on this position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 Agree. It's ****ing pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 Pretty sure some people are just a bit disappointed at our really poor run of form after an excellent start. Nothing wrong with expressing that. Yes I would have been happy with our position at the beginning of the season, but if you had asked me the same at the beginning of November then I would say I would be a bit disappointed that we had allowed all the other teams to catch us up. Still reckon we will give it a good go and hope to finish at least playoffs for a successful season. Seventh or below would be extremely disappointing now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 Yep totally agree. Not in the greatest of form at the mo' but things can change. Last night was a real gutting experience but that could all change on Sat. ALA Saint & Greavsey - Its a funny old game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 Strangely enough I wasn't remotely bothered by last night's result, it's hardly like we had our strongest team out and you can't just change half a team and expect the fluidity to be there. Better off out of it, frankly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmatt Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 Well said kaiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 We lose again on sat I will be very worried about are form and promotion chances, but not going to lose sleep over it, just makes football what it is, exciting and real life drama. Love football, love saints! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teacher Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 If someone told me that at the start of the season that come February we would be 2nd in the league I would have bitten their arm off. The problem here is that we have over achieved in the first half of the season and now expectation is to win every game. I think instead of everyone barking on about our relegation form or the ridiculous "Sack Atkins" knee jerk reaction we should just get behind the team and enjoy the football! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 People are moaning on here like we're about to go out of business. Granted we're on a poor run of results but people forget we only came up last year. Chill the f//k out and enjoy the ride. A voice of sanity in a sea of madness. At the very worst we will miss out on promotion. Read that again and think about it, we are in our first season of promotion. I would be happy at any sort of consolidation this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 Completely agree. If you want us to win every single game then go and support Man Utd but IMO Saints is for people who stick with it through the thick and thin. Atm, we're in the best league position we've been in ages and, depite the bad run of form, still play better than we have over the past 6 years. Why get rid of NA for that just because we can't win a few games. Tbh it really ****es me off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 Well i'm not chillin out, I'm very, very nervous. I think we should sack the manager and get some decent loanees in to give us a fighting chance of getting back to the top of the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 If someone told me that at the start of the season that come February we would be 2nd in the league I would have bitten their arm off Of course, but that doesn't make the fact that we haven't capitalised on our excellent start any less disappointing. We clearly have the ability. The problem here is that we have over achieved in the first half of the season and now expectation is to win every game. I disagree. I think that many can take some bad results or even a run of bad results. Posters expressing their disappointment is about all the results since November. No one expected our amazing start to go on forever, but I don't think anyone expected the relegation form over that period. Even mid-table form would see us comfortably in first place right now so it is disappointing. I think instead of everyone barking on about our relegation form or the ridiculous "Sack Atkins" knee jerk reaction we should just get behind the team and enjoy the football! Not sure what you mean by 'barking on.' If you mean pointing out that we have been in relegation form for quite a while then I really don't see the problem in pointing it out. No one wants it to be the case, but it is a fact. I haven't seen many posters asking for Adkins to be sacked, but if there have been any, I would suggest they are in a very small minority and clearly saying something like that is ridiculous. Wondering whether Adkins has been found out a bit isn't the same thing though and I think something like that is worth discussing even if I'm not sure if I necessarily agree. It's perfectly possible to get behind the team but at the same time expressing frustration at our lack of form. The club are not impervious to criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 If someone told me that at the start of the season that come February we would be 2nd in the league I would have bitten their arm off. The problem here is that we have over achieved in the first half of the season and now expectation is to win every game. I think instead of everyone barking on about our relegation form or the ridiculous "Sack Atkins" knee jerk reaction we should just get behind the team and enjoy the football! There's a "Sack A*kins" movement ? I haven't seen it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 Well i'm not chillin out, I'm very, very nervous. I think we should sack the manager and get some decent loanees in to give us a fighting chance of getting back to the top of the table. It's posts like that which are just silly and don't actually attempt to debate anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harwellsaint Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 this People are moaning on here like we're about to go out of business. Granted we're on a poor run of results but people forget we only came up last year. Chill the f//k out and enjoy the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 Completely agree. If you want us to win every single game then go and support Man Utd Not sure anyone expects us to win every game. but IMO Saints is for people who stick with it through the thick and thin. Agree. Think people are allowed to express disappointment though if we have an extended run of poor form. Atm, we're in the best league position we've been in ages I reckon everyone is very pleased with our current league position. What they are a bit disaapointed about is our recent terrible form. and, depite the bad run of form, still play better than we have over the past 6 years. I still think people are allowed to be a bit disappointed about our form since November. Why get rid of NA for that just because we can't win a few games. Tbh it really ****es me off Is anyone asking to get rid of him? Really? Clearly that is a silly thing to say. I think he may need to look at his approach and see if it needs changing to get us over the line, but clearly there is no possible reason to see him sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 Not sure what you mean by 'barking on.' If you mean pointing out that we have been in relegation form for quite a while then I really don't see the problem in pointing it out. No one wants it to be the case, but it is a fact. I haven't seen many posters asking for Adkins to be sacked, but if there have been any, I would suggest they are in a very small minority and clearly saying something like that is ridiculous. Wondering whether Adkins has been found out a bit isn't the same thing though and I think something like that is worth discussing even if I'm not sure if I necessarily agree. It's perfectly possible to get behind the team but at the same time expressing frustration at our lack of form. The club are not impervious to criticism. We're not "in relegation form". Since Dec 3 we have Won 2 D3 L4 for 9 points in 9 matches, and including the previous 2 matches we have W3 D3 L5 for 12 points in 11. More recently we have 2 draws against top 4 teams as part of W0 D2 L1 (2 pts in 3 matches) which is hardly enough matches to be considered "form" and not representative of our season-long schedule. None of last season's Championship relegated sides managed to average 1 point per match. In addition we've had a load of starters out for most of January. Our fixtures are about to get a little bit easier (in a week, anyway) and West Ham's are about to get harder. If we can't get a result against Burnley with a fully-fit squad on Saturday THEN I'll start worrying about it, but not until we balls it up without injuries or suspensions. As it happens we weren't all that great at Burnley earlier in the season either, and Charlie Austin always scores against us, so I think it'll be a decent indicator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 Taking our form over the past 3 months and the fact so many of our matches have been won by penalties there is much cause for concern. I had prayed it was a passing blip, but there doesn't seem to be any turnaround despite having a brilliant squad of players. For me the problem rests in the team selections and substitutions. We no longer are coming up with a successful game plan that wins games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 We're not "in relegation form". Since Dec 3 we have Won 2 D3 L4 for 9 points in 9 matches, and including the previous 2 matches we have W3 D3 L5 for 12 points in 11. More recently we have 2 draws against top 4 teams as part of W0 D2 L1 (2 pts in 3 matches) which is hardly enough matches to be considered "form" and not representative of our season-long schedule. None of last season's Championship relegated sides managed to average 1 point per match. In addition we've had a load of starters out for most of January. Our fixtures are about to get a little bit easier (in a week, anyway) and West Ham's are about to get harder. If we can't get a result against Burnley with a fully-fit squad on Saturday THEN I'll start worrying about it, but not until we balls it up without injuries or suspensions. As it happens we weren't all that great at Burnley earlier in the season either, and Charlie Austin always scores against us, so I think it'll be a decent indicator. I can't say I have looked myself. We were in relegation form previously, and I was really referring to the poster who mentioned the relegation form thing. Swap the word relegation for poor and the point still stands. With regards the rest of your post, I largely agree. I'm not actually unduly worried at the moment, especially with Sharp where I think we did very well in the transfer window. All I was saying was that if people are disappointed or worried then I can see where they are coming from. It doesn't mean that they aren't true supporters or that they need to calm down. A win against Burnely though is really needed to get some momentum back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 It's posts like that which are just silly and don't actually attempt to debate anything. Sorry mate - for what it's worth I actually agree with everything you said in your very first post on this thread. I'm struggling to actually want to debate such issues though because we appear to have gone into total meltdown and there are numerous threads full of the some rhetoric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 Sorry mate - for what it's worth I actually agree with everything you said in your very first post on this thread. I'm struggling to actually want to debate such issues though because we appear to have gone into total meltdown and there are numerous threads full of the some rhetoric. Where? There is one thread discussing our poor form and how it reflects on Adkins (not something I agree with really but each to their own) and another discussing Capello as manager clearly started by a simpleton. There is no meltdown. The only meltdown has occurred primarily in the mind of the poster who started this thread and those that agree with him. Oh and thanks for agreeing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 Where? There is one thread discussing our poor form and how it reflects on Adkins (not something I agree with really but each to their own) and another discussing Capello as manager clearly started by a simpleton. There is no meltdown. The only meltdown has occurred primarily in the mind of the poster who started this thread and those that agree with him. Oh and thanks for agreeing Where - go and look at the main board, the Adkins thread, the New Manager Available thread......!! When I say 'we appear to have gone into meltdown - I mean the posters here, not the team'. But go read the threads for yourself - many are hinting at drastic action. I tend to read now and not write - can't be assed to argue anymore. But for me the bottom line is looking at where we have come from and where we are currently - we require tweaking, but not overhauling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 People are moaning on here like we're about to go out of business. Granted we're on a poor run of results but people forget we only came up last year. Chill the f//k out and enjoy the ride. Spot on. Far too many gutless, clueless thick pri cks on this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 Where - go and look at the main board, the Adkins thread, the New Manager Available thread......!! When I say 'we appear to have gone into meltdown - I mean the posters here, not the team'. But go read the threads for yourself - many are hinting at drastic action. I tend to read now and not write - can't be assed to argue anymore. But for me the bottom line is looking at where we have come from and where we are currently - we require tweaking, but not overhauling. Those are the two threads I have mentioned above, both of which were confined to two posters. I don't agree that 'many' are hinting at drastic action. I don't see that evidence and as for the Capello thread, every poster on there is either calling him or laughing at him. I don't think anyone disagrees with you- or anyone that does is in a very small minority. I think there is a danger here of overreacting to what are really one or two comments from a small minority of posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 Spot on. Far too many gutless, clueless thick pri cks on this site. Sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 Everything on this thread has been said before in the past couple of weeks a thousand times on other threads. There are two bodies of opinion : Those who think we should be eternally grateful we still have a team to support, and would be banging on about how lucky we are even if we were in the Blue Square League, let alone having topped the Championship table for a few non-relevant weeks in the middle of the season Those who are also glad we got bought, but recognise it is time to put the past behind us and look to the here-and-now, note that we surprised everyone by topping the Championship table, but are disappointed and/or worried that we have been unable to sustain it since it is not a given that we will get such a good second-bite-of-the-cherry next season, the season after that, or the season after that. And remembering what happend to SFC when Burley blew our last bite-of-the-cherry, makes us even more nervous. And it seems there is no middle ground to share between the opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithy Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 Everything on this thread has been said before in the past couple of weeks a thousand times on other threads. There are two bodies of opinion : Those who think we should be eternally grateful we still have a team to support, and would be banging on about how lucky we are even if we were in the Blue Square League, let alone having topped the Championship table for a few non-relevant weeks in the middle of the season Those who are also glad we got bought, but recognise it is time to put the past behind us and look to the here-and-now, note that we surprised everyone by topping the Championship table, but are disappointed and/or worried that we have been unable to sustain it since it is not a given that we will get such a good second-bite-of-the-cherry next season, the season after that, or the season after that. And remembering what happend to SFC when Burley blew our last bite-of-the-cherry, makes us even more nervous. And it seems there is no middle ground to share between the opinions. I really like this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 How Adkins and the team deals and reacts to this drop in form is key to our run in to the end of the season, there's no 2 ways about people - I don't want us to grab defeat from the jaws of victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 People are moaning on here like we're about to go out of business. Granted we're on a poor run of results but people forget we only came up last year. Chill the f//k out and enjoy the ride. Very complacent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 Everything on this thread has been said before in the past couple of weeks a thousand times on other threads. There are two bodies of opinion : Those who think we should be eternally grateful we still have a team to support, and would be banging on about how lucky we are even if we were in the Blue Square League, let alone having topped the Championship table for a few non-relevant weeks in the middle of the season Those who are also glad we got bought, but recognise it is time to put the past behind us and look to the here-and-now, note that we surprised everyone by topping the Championship table, but are disappointed and/or worried that we have been unable to sustain it since it is not a given that we will get such a good second-bite-of-the-cherry next season, the season after that, or the season after that. And remembering what happend to SFC when Burley blew our last bite-of-the-cherry, makes us even more nervous. And it seems there is no middle ground to share between the opinions. The middle ground are those fans who have noted that our dip in form coincided with injuries and suspensions to key players but are still very optimistic for the rest of the season due to those key players being back and a couple of them returning to form (Lambert, Lallana) as well as one of the championship's leading goalscorers to come back into the fold... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 The middle ground are those fans who have noted that our dip in form coincided with injuries and suspensions to key players but are still very optimistic for the rest of the season due to those key players being back and a couple of them returning to form (Lambert, Lallana) as well as one of the championship's leading goalscorers to come back into the fold...The manager has said constantly that its not about the eleven its about the squad, in which case different first choice players missing different games is not the issue. Adkins says its his responsibility, and he has publicly blamed the defence, for the first time as far as I'm aware. Which would seem to confirm why he was after a quality CB. Ultimately though, its the chairman who does the buying, so although Adkins has no choice but to say he takes responsibility because he can't publicly blame NC, its not all down to the manager if the squad isn't good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Low point for me was Leicester at home. Have we improved since then? In my book, yes. Even if we only get a draw on Saturday, if West Ham lose at Posh, we could be on for a game at Upton Park on Tuesday night for top spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Low point for me was Leicester at home. Have we improved since then? In my book, yes. Even if we only get a draw on Saturday, if West Ham lose at Posh, we could be on for a game at Upton Park on Tuesday night for top spot. That would be tasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 People are moaning on here like we're about to go out of business. Granted we're on a poor run of results but people forget we only came up last year. Chill the f//k out and enjoy the ride. Well said. Pre-season I made a little prediction that we'd finish 11th. The fact we're 2nd in the league in Feburary is brilliant. We've had injuries and suspensions recently and we were always gonna have a dip in form and here it is, but you have to stay realistic. People on the Saints facebook page calling for Adkins' head, it's moronic. 22nd in League One when he took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Personally I think its natural that expectatiosn would change during the course of season depending on how we were doing - its impossible to tell at outset how 'ready' the so called favourites would be, and as we see now, teh pre season favourites have in most cases got their act together which coincides with our more challenging period. I know there are plenty of folk who see everything very black and white, and for whom if we miss out this year it the end of the world. On teh flip side there are those that are happy with consolidation and vstill very happy that despite the slump we are still second.... But, lets think about this for a moment - this is football, a sport - and we all know that despite the 'ideals' of taking part and giving it your all, teh reality is that success has to be earned, through graft, graft, and more graft - add to this teh need to maintain a positive menatl attitude, teh drive and determination to succeed etc... so for me, whilst I am hapy with where we are, and despite the fact that base on pragmatism, the squad and Nige have already performed marvels, now is NOT the time to accept second best - wherever we end up come season end, I believe the side will deserve our applause...at season end... but right now they need the drive and determination and graft to pick up the pace and fight for it until they drop. Do that and this sqaud is good enough for top 2 - so the reality is that anything less will be dissapointing... because they have shown what they CAN do. If we dont go up this season, I suspect we will next, simply because this squad will probably stay together and have grown as a unit - that said it would be a waste when you think that we could and in my opinion should do it this year. BUT, we should not be 'worried by results' liek a bunch of girls, but be positive and show OUR CONFIDENCE that this squad is good, and will do it - get behind them all the way to May whatever the results andstop all this girly misery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 We're not "in relegation form". Since Dec 3 we have Won 2 D3 L4 for 9 points in 9 matches, and including the previous 2 matches we have W3 D3 L5 for 12 points in 11. More recently we have 2 draws against top 4 teams as part of W0 D2 L1 (2 pts in 3 matches) which is hardly enough matches to be considered "form" and not representative of our season-long schedule. None of last season's Championship relegated sides managed to average 1 point per match. In addition we've had a load of starters out for most of January. Our fixtures are about to get a little bit easier (in a week, anyway) and West Ham's are about to get harder. If we can't get a result against Burnley with a fully-fit squad on Saturday THEN I'll start worrying about it, but not until we balls it up without injuries or suspensions. As it happens we weren't all that great at Burnley earlier in the season either, and Charlie Austin always scores against us, so I think it'll be a decent indicator. I actually genuinely feel a little better having read your posts on this thread. You are dead right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Ignore the Milwall game and we just picked up 2 good points against 2 promotion contenders, nothing to get hysterical about by any means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Ignore the Milwall game and we just picked up 2 good points against 2 promotion contenders, nothing to get hysterical about by any means. Not sure anyone was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 (edited) The 9 beat me to it... As you were.. Edited 9 February, 2012 by notnowcato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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