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OfnPanad

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Harding is either hot or cold. Bit like Bale - looks good going forward but can be a bit dodgy when having to stay back against a good right-winger. Fox a much better defender but can't hit a pass under 40yds! Dickson has been out of favour since getting horribly caught out vs Man U as mentioned above. Shaw is there....is he ready?

 

4 left-backs and probably each with 25% of the fan base behind each! Only Saints, eh?

Saint Mikey

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maybe we didn't spend £1.8m. He's a strange player. He looks classy but when it comes to it his delivery us terrible time after time. I've yet to see a decent free kick or corner from him. The law of average say he'll get one right soon, but who the hell wants a fullback without pace? He's not terrible by any means. I love the way he can get himself out of a tight spot. He has a fantastic first touch, as good as you'll see at this level, but he needs a kick up the arse and made to put in a shift up and down that line. He does the bare minimum.

 

This is one of the most ill-informed comments I've seen for a while. Fox has 7 assists this season, where do think these have come from? Crosses, or passes? It was his free-kick at Pompey for starters, and his corners are generally very very good, and an improvement on last season. Yes, I agree he hasn't been up to his usual form at the beginning of the season, and does not get forward as much as I'd like, but to suggest he's carp is ******.

IMO.

 

Richardson too?! Lol. Although this has come from Alpine, so what does he know. For the record, Richardson has made 10 assists (8 in the league, and 4th in the Assist table) this season. Again, where do think they've come from?

Window Cleaner

Window Cleaner

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This is one of the most ill-informed comments I've seen for a while. Fox has 7 assists this season, where do think these have come from? Crosses, or passes? It was his free-kick at Pompey for starters, and his corners are generally very very good, and an improvement on last season. Yes, I agree he hasn't been up to his usual form at the beginning of the season, and does not get forward as much as I'd like, but to suggest he's carp is ******.

IMO.

 

Richardson too?! Lol. Although this has come from Alpine, so what does he know. For the record, Richardson has made 10 assists (8 in the league, and 4th in the Assist table) this season. Again, where do think they've come from?

 

Anyway, we need to stop criticising all and sundry for this and that and turn our attention to the sharp end. Our strikers aren't scoring much and therein lies our problem.We have obtained 2 new strikers this window so maybe we will turn the corner.

 

Football is about 1 thing, converting chances and we aren't doing that. Those who remember our relegation season with the Dutch duo may recall that before the situation got totally hopeless we made a lot of chances that would have won us matches and points and missed them all.We just couldn't score for toffee, even missed 2 penalties at Watford.When we start scoring

from 25% of our chances again things will look up.

And might I just add once again over 1/3 of Lambert's league goals have come from penalties...some of them very iffy ones at that.

Viking Warrior

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I think football is very much like chess, very tactical. I think other teams tactics of late are to stifle our engine room by flooding the midfield and so stopping our creative players from delivering that killer pass. I saw the bristol game at SMS . They went and scored and we had to be more creative to try and get back in the game in doing so we lost tight control of the midfield and duly paid te price.

 

I thi nk the millwall game was much the same. We should have closed shop by going defensive for the last few minutes of the game. I wasnt there so it unfair of me to comment on what happened on tuesday. Maybe we were to cavalier after we went ahed.

 

Its not the end of the world and we will be fine. We just need to get the whu game out of the way. I thinkthat will end in a draw. Depends on how much cash has been given to the ref by West ham.

doddisalegend

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This is one of the most ill-informed comments I've seen for a while. Fox has 7 assists this season, where do think these have come from? Crosses, or passes? It was his free-kick at Pompey for starters, and his corners are generally very very good, and an improvement on last season. Yes, I agree he hasn't been up to his usual form at the beginning of the season, and does not get forward as much as I'd like, but to suggest he's carp is ******.

IMO.

 

Richardson too?! Lol. Although this has come from Alpine, so what does he know. For the record, Richardson has made 10 assists (8 in the league, and 4th in the Assist table) this season. Again, where do think they've come from?

 

Surely those assits have to be taken in context of how many free kicks/ corners/ or crosses the two players have made. For example if Fox has got seven assits from say ten crosses/corners/free kicks that is extremly impressive if it's seven out of say 100 then it's pretty poor.

 

Also would be interesting to know if most of those assits came early in the season when we were scoring for fun. Prehaps the lack of decent delivery in recent weeks can help to explain our slump in form.

Saint_clark

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Surely those assits have to be taken in context of how many free kicks/ corners/ or crosses the two players have made. For example if Fox has got seven assits from say ten crosses/corners/free kicks that is extremly impressive if it's seven out of say 100 then it's pretty poor.

 

The only thing they have to be in context with is the rest of the leagues assists - which shows them to be two of the best attacking full-backs in the NPC.

Appy

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Anyway, we need to stop criticising all and sundry for this and that and turn our attention to the sharp end. Our strikers aren't scoring much and therein lies our problem.We have obtained 2 new strikers this window so maybe we will turn the corner.

 

Football is about 1 thing, converting chances and we aren't doing that. Those who remember our relegation season with the Dutch duo may recall that before the situation got totally hopeless we made a lot of chances that would have won us matches and points and missed them all.We just couldn't score for toffee, even missed 2 penalties at Watford.When we start scoring

from 25% of our chances again things will look up.

And might I just add once again over 1/3 of Lambert's league goals have come from penalties...some of them very iffy ones at that.

 

Penalties are still goals ffs

Saint_clark

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Penalties are still goals ffs

 

Indeed. If we're discounting his penalties, then we have to do the same for all players in the top scorers chart - and I'd wager Lambert would still be top.

doddisalegend

doddisalegend

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The only thing they have to be in context with is the rest of the leagues assists - which shows them to be two of the best attacking full-backs in the NPC.

 

No it doesn't without context it means nothing. They've got assits in a team with two of the leagues top scorers diiferent strikers up front and they might not have any assits.

 

It's a chicken and egg thing. Are they great footballers and the reason our strikers are scoring so much or are our strikers the dogs with the class to put balls away which makes them two of the top assit players?

 

Anyway as a mod have you got any idea how come I'm still only a regiserterd user 20 days after saintweb took my £5.00 I tried the contact us thingy and still no one has got back to me or sorted out my membership. It's pretty hard getting by on three posts a day.

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Window Cleaner

Window Cleaner

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Window cleaner always bangs on about penalties. Lets take them away from Le Tiss too and see how his scoring record for us fairs in comparison!

 

In fact MLT scored about 1 in 5 of his goals from the spot, RL must be up around 1 in 3.

MLT wasn't a mainline strike forward either.

Dig Dig

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In fact MLT scored about 1 in 5 of his goals from the spot, RL must be up around 1 in 3.

MLT wasn't a mainline strike forward either.

 

Lambert = 75 goals in 139 Apps.... pens or no pens, team still needs to be in the box with the ball in the first place and Lambert has to step up and bang them in. The reason pens are awarded are that in principle, the violation prevents a goal scoring opportunity.

Colinjb

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Never known orient to be particularly hostile towards us. Good luck to him.

 

Well, Barry Hearn was extremely critical of our ability to spend money when straight out of administration..... and their fans have accused Lee Barnard of being antagonistic when he scored against them last year.

 

And in exchange we give them one of the best left backs that has played in league 1 in recent years. Typical.

hypochondriac

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Well, Barry Hearn was extremely critical of our ability to spend money when straight out of administration..... and their fans have accused Lee Barnard of being antagonistic when he scored against them last year.

 

And in exchange we give them one of the best left backs that has played in league 1 in recent years. Typical.

 

They probably both have points to be honest. Administration is a stupid cop out for all clubs. Lee was antagonistic at the time if I remember. I honestly do not care what Dickson is doing on loan as long as it benefits him.

doddisalegend

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Well, Barry Hearn was extremely critical of our ability to spend money when straight out of administration..... and their fans have accused Lee Barnard of being antagonistic when he scored against them last year.

 

And in exchange we give them one of the best left backs that has played in league 1 in recent years. Typical.

 

Sorry did we send them Harding?..........Dickson you say, seems to me we've had the last laugh then..........

Colinjb

Colinjb

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Sorry did we send them Harding?..........Dickson you say, seems to me we've had the last laugh then..........

 

Well, he was a League 1 left back of the year while at Brentford. ;)

The9

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I wouldn't be surprised if he's only coming back to go out somewhere for the rest of the season. Then again maybe Harding or Fox has picked up a knock in training or (for Harding) last night and we need the cover. Only way to find out is wait a few days.

 

More accurately, just under 1 day.

The9

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I brought up the question of Butterfield a few weeks ago and someone said that he had had a tiff with NA. Probably a load of **** but I do rate Butterfield.

 

Butterfield was getting done for pace at the end of last season and with Richardson's huge improvement and Jack Stephens' potential I'm not surprised he's not getting a look in.

doddisalegend

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Well, he was a League 1 left back of the year while at Brentford. ;)

 

I'm pretty sure that's a myth and it was actually Ian Harte who is now being replaced by Fish Mills (just signed a new contract) at Reading. Mills being another saints LB who was better than Dickson;)

captainchris

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If this is a move to give the other two a wake up call, then good move IMO. I'm sorry, but i just dont rate Fox. I've tried to keep an open mind and give him time to settle in, but he just plays far too many long balls at the first opportunity for my liking. more than 50% of these end up with us losing posession, if not immediately from his kick, then whilst struggling to control the ball. Couple this with the fact Fox rarely overlaps too, I can see why AL prefers Harding, but have to agree he's been off sorts this season too. Absolutely no reason why Dickson can't do as good a job if not better as far as im concerned.

 

Never a truer post than this.................Fox is not up to this this team's standards for the reasons set out above...plus does not overlap enough and continually cuts inside stalling our attacks if he hasn't already launched it long and lost the ball anyway.....By all means give Dickson a chance...

doddisalegend

doddisalegend

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This is a mistake on current form I would have driven Harding to any club in the country to off load him. Dickson is a far better player who hasn't really had a chance.

 

I would suggest the mistake was bringing in Dickson in the first place and letting Mills go. Mills is now a regular in a top championship team while Dickson is league one level at best. Harding can be hit or miss but he is heads and shoulders above Dickson.

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The9

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I would suggest the mistake was bringing in Dickson in the first place and letting Mills go. Mills is now a regular in a top championship team while Dickson is league one level at best. Harding can be hit or miss but he is heads and tails above Dickson.

 

Actually Mills is a regular on the bench at Reading. He's only started 12 matches this season and hasn't been involved in one since November (though he has also been injured).

 

Oh, and according to Adkins on the OS Butterfield is injured as well as lacking a bit of pace.

 

Fox definitely makes us too predictable, he never, EVER runs with the ball, never overlaps so Lallana doesn't get enough space and usually has two people marking him, and hits Hollywood balls all day long from which we often lose possession. I still think Harding is a more solid defender, and works better with Lallana, but Fox does give us some excellent set-piece delivery.

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doddisalegend

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Actually Mills is a regular on the bench at Reading. He's only started 12 matches this season and hasn't been involved in one since November (though he has also been injured).

 

Oh, and according to Adkins on the OS Butterfield is injured as well as lacking a bit of pace.

 

He's just been given a new contract though so Reading must rate him....don't see any champ teams lining up to take Dickson.....

The9

The9

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He's just been given a new contract though so Reading must rate him....don't see any champ teams lining up to take Dickson.....

Saints gave him two contracts and never played him too. I think Reading have just realised they have a 38-year old in that position as well, and he won't be playing in 2 years.

Jonnyboy

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Actually Mills is a regular on the bench at Reading. He's only started 12 matches this season and hasn't been involved in one since November (though he has also been injured).

 

Oh, and according to Adkins on the OS Butterfield is injured as well as lacking a bit of pace.

 

Fox definitely makes us too predictable, he never, EVER runs with the ball, never overlaps so Lallana doesn't get enough space and usually has two people marking him, and hits Hollywood balls all day long from which we often lose possession. I still think Harding is a more solid defender, and works better with Lallana, but Fox does give us some excellent set-piece delivery.

 

At least Fox has nice tattoos.

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