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Blues v Saint - A Brummie reaction


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Good Morning folks,

 

Just thought id share my views on Saturdays game.

 

First of all, well done saints fans. Great turn out and in good voice considering the weather.

 

Now the game itself. What a load of rubbish. The weather was the real winner here. Two teams who have both been playing good football reduced to misplaced passes and wingers (like burke) reduced to playing for corners and falling over.

 

The general consensus amongst blues fans seems to be that fox should NOT have been sent off for his push on Burke in the second half but i can kind of see why as he was snapping at burkes heals for qa lot of the game and did go over the ball in his first challenge (although i had to watch it back from Sky+ to even see this so the refs decision taking the surface and visibility in to account seems reasonable).

 

Southampton seemed to adapt to the conditions a lot easier than blues and until Wade Elliot came on we didnt seem to be able to link up to much and just misplaced everything. I was a little shocked to see Lambert try and pass with your freekick in the dying seconds, surely a shot would have been the better option?

 

A saints fan at work is claiming you "dominated" the game. I kind of feel that you dominated it in the same way we would have if we had just passed the ball between our two center mids for 90 mins with no intention of ever shooting or making a forward pass. No shots on target from such an attacking hyped up team was appaling im sorry to say.

 

Ricky Lambert puts himself about.

 

Marlon King seems to have forgotten the offside rule.

 

Your Goalkeeper is a decent shot stopper.

 

We really need a natural left winger.

 

Thats all really! Poor game but through no fault of the teams involved.

 

Good luck for the rest of the season!

 

Keep Right On.

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It was a strange game really, we dominated in midfield but had nothing to show for it. Birmingham City were second best throughout the match but had by far the better chances.

 

Saints just didn't seem to want to shoot which is crazy given the conditions.

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Cheers Brummieinhants - decent match summary. Only Lambo knows why he took the free kick as he did!

 

I know we've done that free kick routine before, and scored from it. But surely, in those conditions, a shot on target (and preferably one that bounced just in front of the keeper) would have been the better option? The ball was skidding off the surface so unpredictably I can't believe we didn't try to exploit this.

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Cheers Bluenose !;)

 

A good summary, and to be completely frank we are pleased with the point.

 

best player on the pitch by far was that man-mountain in the middle of your park, N'Daw.

Can't shoot very well but by christ did he work his buns off...

 

Agree Fox's sending off was harsh and funnily enough I reckon he would have taken that free kick at the death, and Lambo would have been at the far post to challenge for it!

 

Wish you good luck too - Hughton has done a wonder job at your club and you will be there or therabouts at the end of the season..

 

UTS

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Didn't think Fox's first booking even deserved a free-kick let alone a yellow card. He clearly won the ball very cleanly and his momentum after the tackle caught the guy. We're getting to the stage where defenders aren't even allowed to put in a decent hard challenge.

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Didn't think Fox's first booking even deserved a free-kick let alone a yellow card. He clearly won the ball very cleanly and his momentum after the tackle caught the guy. We're getting to the stage where defenders aren't even allowed to put in a decent hard challenge.

 

As Nigel says in his interview there is total confusion as to what constitutes a legal tackle and what doesn't.

Players are afraid to tackle because they keep getting yellow and red cards for no reason and yet they suffer the same sort of action themselves and nothing happens.It's FIFA, they want no tackling at all.It's just not football any more.

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By the way, I'm a bit torn about tomorrow night when you play the DFCB's...

 

Win that and you are breathing right down our necks...

 

Reckon they will do as they often seem to do - Turn up and park their shabby team bus in front of their back four and let Kitson feed of scraps by himself up front.

They might be hard for you to break down and to be honest I can see another 0-0 draw in the offing.

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By the way, I'm a bit torn about tomorrow night when you play the DFCB's...

 

Win that and you are breathing right down our necks...

 

Reckon they will do as they often seem to do - Turn up and park their shabby team bus in front of their back four and let Kitson feed of scraps by himself up front.

They might be hard for you to break down and to be honest I can see another 0-0 draw in the offing.

 

I reckon Pompey will win.

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Totally agree! I feel that we dominated the possession but did feck all with it in all honesty - lots of sideways and backwards passes with no penetration.

 

No matter how many times I see it, still think the red was wrong to send of Fox. First tackle was hard but fair and second Burke was going pretty quick so slightest touch was going to send him flying.

 

Sharp had no impact due to conditions but can't wait to see him start with Lambert and begin to strike up a partnership.

 

Apart from that, as you said, weather was winner but all credit to both teams for just getting on with it and getting a game on for the fans! 0-0 was a fair result.

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Good assessment Mr Brummie

 

But why spoil it by using the words "hyped up" about us being attacking....bit of a dig perhaps?

 

We are an attacking team it is not hype..see the goals scored column...

 

Dont be so touchy you tart. It was a sporting fair-minded post from someone who is nevertheless a fan of our promotion rivals.

 

I wonder is someone has bothered with "Blues v Saints - A Saints Reaction" with such non-subjective content on their main fans site ?

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A reasonable summary Brummiehants except I disagree that Fox went over the ball with the challenge for which he received his first yellow card. It was a perfectly good, hard tackle. I think Hughton said he thought the booking was warranted because the tackle was "fairly fierce". Well, if you get booked for fairly fierce tackling then we may as well all go and play beach volleyball.

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A good summary and largely in-keeping with opinions from our own fans... including the lack of efforts on goal! The hyped-up attacking comment clearly wasn't a dig, we have a reputation for scoring goals and against Brum like many recent games, we simply didn't have many attempts on goal.

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By the way, I'm a bit torn about tomorrow night when you play the DFCB's...

 

Win that and you are breathing right down our necks...

 

Reckon they will do as they often seem to do - Turn up and park their shabby team bus in front of their back four and let Kitson feed of scraps by himself up front.

They might be hard for you to break down and to be honest I can see another 0-0 draw in the offing.

 

Clearly we want Pompey to win, a draw second and a Brum win third.

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Neither of Fox's yellow-card receiving "fouls" should have been fouls, never mind yellow cards. That ought to be obvious to anyone. The first tackle was a one footed, well timed left footed tackle directly onto the ball. It wasn't high and it wasn't excessively forceful. He deliberately kept his right foot tucked in to avoid following through with that leg. The Birmingham player jumped in the air expecting to be clattered - but he wasn't. You shouldn't be penalised because the opposition is scared of you. The second was just a harmless arm across that you see 50 times in a match; it wasn't a pull nor was it a push. I think the lino flagged for the foul so the ref had little choice but to give it, given how close the lino was, but he really should have had the common sense to keep his card in his pocket.

 

By far the worst challenge of the match was Caldwell's cynical trip on Guly. I think Guly would have got to the ball first and would have ony had the 'keeper to beat so it it really ought to have been a red, however I can see why the ref gave a yellow as the left back had some chance of covering (although I don't think he would've got there). It was a "good" foul from Caldwell as it stopped us winning the match and he knew he probably wouldn't get sent off.

 

Wasn't at all impressed by Birmingham but it would be unfair to judge any team trying to play in those conditions. The important thing was not to get beaten so I am very happy with a point in the circumstances. Although we played the better football and controlled the tempo for most of the match our final ball was not very good (Cork, Fox, Richardson) and we didn't really do enough to say we definitely deserved the win.

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Thanks for the feedback

 

ALWAYS_SFC.. I said hyped, not over hyped, you big girl.

 

N'Daw is a beast. Looked awful in his first couple of games but has turned in to a cracking player, he seemed to be the only guy on the pitch who worked out the conditions were perfect for pot shots!

 

As a precious poster has said the second yellow on fox, Burke was going fairly quick so the slightest touch would send him over. In those circumstances, already on a yellow, Fox should have know better than to raise his arm. benjii, there WAS a push but it was more of a mouses fart than a charging bull.

 

I know that you lot really dont want us to beat Pompey but i think we will, and convincingly. Still full of confidence against a bunch of unpaid players. I'm not expecting then to do more than park the bus and for burke to give them a torrid time. 3-0 Blues.

 

Also we have a new song prepared

 

Rosie Redknapp’s got your cash,

got your cash, got your cash,

Rosie Redknapp’s got your cash,

You’ll get no wages.

 

thoughts?

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Dont be so touchy you tart. It was a sporting fair-minded post from someone who is nevertheless a fan of our promotion rivals.

 

I wonder is someone has bothered with "Blues v Saints - A Saints Reaction" with such non-subjective content on their main fans site ?

 

 

Wow!!!! the biggest, most hysterical and over-reactionary TART on the forum accusing me of being a tart.... pot,kettle...

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Thanks for the feedback

 

ALWAYS_SFC.. I said hyped, not over hyped, you big girl.

 

N'Daw is a beast. Looked awful in his first couple of games but has turned in to a cracking player, he seemed to be the only guy on the pitch who worked out the conditions were perfect for pot shots!

 

As a precious poster has said the second yellow on fox, Burke was going fairly quick so the slightest touch would send him over. In those circumstances, already on a yellow, Fox should have know better than to raise his arm. benjii, there WAS a push but it was more of a mouses fart than a charging bull.

 

I know that you lot really dont want us to beat Pompey but i think we will, and convincingly. Still full of confidence against a bunch of unpaid players. I'm not expecting then to do more than park the bus and for burke to give them a torrid time. 3-0 Blues.

 

Also we have a new song prepared

 

Rosie Redknapp’s got your cash,

got your cash, got your cash,

Rosie Redknapp’s got your cash,

You’ll get no wages.

 

thoughts?

 

 

you said "attacking hyped up team" you bellend...not hyped...read your own post

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"No shots on target from such an attacking hyped up team was appaling im sorry to say"

 

Again. I didn't say over hyped. My post implied that considering the hype your attacking play has got, no shots on target was appaling.

 

If i had wanted to say "over hyped" id have said "No shots on target tells me your attack is over hyped" Which based on the conditions would have been an unfair conclusion to reach.

 

You clearly need to take a deep breath and step away from the keyboard. I suggest a cup of tea and a curly wurley. Calms the nerves.

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"No shots on target from such an attacking hyped up team was appaling im sorry to say"

 

Again. I didn't say over hyped. My post implied that considering the hype your attacking play has got, no shots on target was appaling.

 

If i had wanted to say "over hyped" id have said "No shots on target tells me your attack is over hyped" Which based on the conditions would have been an unfair conclusion to reach.

 

You clearly need to take a deep breath and step away from the keyboard. I suggest a cup of tea and a curly wurley. Calms the nerves.

 

Look mate,firstly.. i am calm and not angry in the slightest

 

I did not suggest you said "over hyped" all i stated was that we are an attacking side and for anyone saying

we are not is clearly incorrect as our goals record proves it.

 

So to try to contradict by that stating it is hype is a bit silly really

 

"When people say "hype", they usually refer to something that's being exaggerated and talked alot about in the media, newspapers, internet.

It usually describes something, overreacting and blowing the facts to make it sound greater (or worse, depends on the case)"

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In which case i apologise for misusing hype ;).

 

All i was suggesting is that considering the praise your forwards get. It was very poor that they didnt once test Myhill (who has been poor from range most of the season).

 

Can we be friends now :D

 

Please remember I have seen your attacking potency first hand as you did drub is 4-1 earlier in the season.

 

If i was here to have digs i would have pointed out all of your failings and none of ours. It's fair to say that on Saturday, we both had many.

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Look again at the stats...

Come on, let's not try and cloud this one... we had one shot of note (Sharp's which was blocked) but that is literally the only one I can remember, and I would be embarrassed to even try and argue that point.

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Wow, must have missed those on target shots. I tend to avoid the BBC "Stats". They tend to count anything with forward motion that goes between the corner flags as a shot, and anything that slowly rolls toward the keeper as on target.

 

Im talking proper chances that would test a keeper.

 

It's not me being a pain either - In all i think you are a good side, but for such a free scoring team, even with the weather on saturday, your attacking play on the whole was poor. Just as our midfield play was.

 

Boaz Myhill in the Birmingham goal had still to make a stop as Saints failed to capitalise on a defensive mix-up by the hosts with 25 minutes remaining.

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Thanks for the feedback

 

ALWAYS_SFC.. I said hyped, not over hyped, you big girl.

 

N'Daw is a beast. Looked awful in his first couple of games but has turned in to a cracking player, he seemed to be the only guy on the pitch who worked out the conditions were perfect for pot shots!

 

As a precious poster has said the second yellow on fox, Burke was going fairly quick so the slightest touch would send him over. In those circumstances, already on a yellow, Fox should have know better than to raise his arm. benjii, there WAS a push but it was more of a mouses fart than a charging bull.

 

I know that you lot really dont want us to beat Pompey but i think we will, and convincingly. Still full of confidence against a bunch of unpaid players. I'm not expecting then to do more than park the bus and for burke to give them a torrid time. 3-0 Blues.

 

Also we have a new song prepared

 

Rosie Redknapp’s got your cash,

got your cash, got your cash,

Rosie Redknapp’s got your cash,

You’ll get no wages.thoughts?

 

 

Works for me....:lol:

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In which case i apologise for misusing hype ;).

 

All i was suggesting is that considering the praise your forwards get. It was very poor that they didnt once test Myhill (who has been poor from range most of the season).

 

Can we be friends now :D

 

Please remember I have seen your attacking potency first hand as you did drub is 4-1 earlier in the season.

 

If i was here to have digs i would have pointed out all of your failings and none of ours. It's fair to say that on Saturday, we both had many.

 

Dont apologise, friend. ALWAYS_SFC is a gimp.

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Wow, must have missed those on target shots. I tend to avoid the BBC "Stats". They tend to count anything with forward motion that goes between the corner flags as a shot, and anything that slowly rolls toward the keeper as on target.

 

Im talking proper chances that would test a keeper.

 

It's not me being a pain either - In all i think you are a good side, but for such a free scoring team, even with the weather on saturday, your attacking play on the whole was poor. Just as our midfield play was.

 

Boaz Myhill in the Birmingham goal had still to make a stop as Saints failed to capitalise on a defensive mix-up by the hosts with 25 minutes remaining.

 

Don't listen to those getting touchy, you're right....... we didn't create nearly enough to win that game.

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Dont apologise, friend. ALWAYS_SFC is a gimp.

 

Again

Wow!!!! the biggest, most hysterical and over-reactionary Gimp on the forum accusing me of being a gimp.... pot,kettle...

 

 

Not much to do Alpwhine.....?

 

Don`t despair there will be a thread you can post your inane, negative,attention seeking drivel on tomorrow and again on saturday

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As a precious poster has said the second yellow on fox, Burke was going fairly quick so the slightest touch would send him over. In those circumstances, already on a yellow, Fox should have know better than to raise his arm. benjii, there WAS a push but it was more of a mouses fart than a charging bull.

 

 

A Freudian slip, or should there be a 'v' in there somewhere. :lol:

 

 

Welcome to the Saints Web, the only forum where posters can pick a fight in an empty room.

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Pretty much agree with everything BrummieinHants said.

 

Brum and W.Ham are our biggest rivals for top 2 IMO so a point at St Andrews was good all things considered.

 

Brum look to have a v.good defence IMO. Would love to have Curtis Davies here.

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When the hell did we have 3 shots on target? Sharp had a shot blocked, that's it.

 

Thanks BrummieinHants. Always nice to have a level headed opposition fan on here. I think I'd go along with what you've said there. Shame that the weather ruined what could have been a fantastic game. I honestly think your lot will win the league.

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At least, the OP isn't peddling sh*t like some of the other brummies who genuinely believe they should have had a penalty for Fox's challenge. Dozy c**ts.

 

We were "appalling" in the final third in the same way Brum were gash on the ball and couldn't string a pass together. Which is slightly OTT because the weather was more than an extenuating factor.

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Wow!!!! the biggest, most hysterical and over-reactionary Gimp on the forum accusing me of being a gimp.... pot,kettle...

 

 

Not much to do Alpwhine.....?

 

Don`t despair there will be a thread you can post your inane, negative,attention seeking drivel on tomorrow and again on saturday

 

Oh please do shut up you 'Big Girl's blouse !

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He's right though. Forget the stats, what actual, proper shots did we have on target?

 

Fully agree, it was a non event in the last quarter of their half. I don't fully agree that it's the same as just passing the ball between the two centre backs. We played a lot of very good football in those conditions with very little end product, Brum played no where near the same football with just a smidgen of end product. They can put a brave face on it but Brum were out played for long periods of that game, albeit to little effect.

 

Initially I thought the referee had a good game, but will retract that after watching the replays and further thought. When the referee forces the game to continue in those conditions, he has to make allowances for those same conditions when applying the regulations, something he did very poorly. Fox made a good one legged tackle and got the ball. His momentum carried him through in those slippery conditions, but he had the presence of mind to tuck his other leg under such the consequences of any impact were reduced. He should have been given the benefit of the doubt because of the conditions as the referee forced a game which should not have been played. I have no complaints about the second booking because under that same premise, Fox illegally denied Brum a cross which could have proved dangerous. Especially as he could have used his shoulder and never got pinged all day for that type of challenge. Normally that hand off would never gave received a booking, but given the conditions I believe it to be correct. Taking this on to the challenge on Guly, because of his pace and the conditions, Guly would have been through on goal and was denied a scoring opportunity because of that tackle. The other Brum players would not have got near him in those conditions and for that reason I believe the foul to be worthy of a sending off.

 

Under normal playing conditions Fox should have got pinged for his first tackle, a non event for the second yellow and a yellow for Brum for an obvious professional foul. But we were not playing under normal conditions and being the deciding factor as to why Fox got a second yellow for an inocuous push with his hand. If you are going to vary decisions because of allowance for the conditions, you have to do so fairly and equally, something that was not done.

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Leaving the playing conditions to one side for a moment, I have to say considering their excellent run of results Birmingham probably showed us too much respect if anything given our 'nothing to write home about' away record. They sat back & surrendered possession so easily you'd have thought the game had taken place at St Marys instead of St Andrews.

 

If Chris Hughton had spent rather more time looking at the reality of our recent form, and rather less time worrying about our lofty league position, then I think Brum might have taken all the points instead of sharing them.

 

Perhaps Mike Ashley is a shrewder judge of horseflesh than some reckon.

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Clearly we want Pompey to win, a draw second and a Brum win third.

 

Actually a Brum win, with Cheats FC going into liquidation later this month, and all their results expunged, would be my first choice.

 

My second choice would be a Cheats FC win, followed later this month with a 50 point penalty for being DFCSBs (making the win redundant).

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"No shots on target from such an attacking hyped up team was appaling im sorry to say"

 

Again. I didn't say over hyped. My post implied that considering the hype your attacking play has got, no shots on target was appaling.

 

If i had wanted to say "over hyped" id have said "No shots on target tells me your attack is over hyped" Which based on the conditions would have been an unfair conclusion to reach.

 

You clearly need to take a deep breath and step away from the keyboard. I suggest a cup of tea and a curly wurley. Calms the nerves.

 

Look, if we're into handbags on the internet, the least you could do is spell Wurly correctly FFS!!!! :)

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Where the hell do stats come from that show we had a shot on goal???

 

Myhill need not have been playing.

There were two blocked shots one from Lambert (first half freekick) and one from Sharp and a scuffed shot from Connolly which was saved (or more accurately, picked up) by Myhill.
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Actually a Brum win, with Cheats FC going into liquidation later this month, and all their results expunged, would be my first choice.

 

My second choice would be a Cheats FC win, followed later this month with a 50 point penalty for being DFCSBs (making the win redundant).

 

 

 

nah...keep 'em alive, but string 'em up. Place a transfer embargo on them until all debts are cleared. Don't even discuss a points deduction until the season's end, otherwise if they know they are going to get relegated they may not give everything between now and the end of the season. And just when they think it's safe....relegate them out of the league (just like what happened to Aldershot FC and Newport County) and THEN still hit them with a -30 point penalty

 

At least that way we get one more derby game in before Crawley Town become our closest rivals, albeit 2 divisions apart as we'll be in the Premiership (and no, I haven't forgotten the our Dorset rivals but I think this time next season Crawley will be above them!)

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