Saint Charlie Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 Just thought its worth highlighting that he has probably been our best player the last couple of games. Glad he sorted everything out and is playing for us over a rival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 Yep, great response from him after seeing him back in the team. I didn't ever see it happening, nor did I want it a few weeks ago, but I've felt he's exactly the sort of player we were missing - and I think we can all see the difference. He's dynamic, moves off the flank, swaps sides....and add that to Lallana doing the same we're now much more of a handful. He's also working his arse off to win the ball back which is great to see. As he showed with Millwall at this level he can be terrific - and hopefully he can carry that on with us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 Yep, great response from him after seeing him back in the team. I didn't ever see it happening, nor did I want it a few weeks ago, but I've felt he's exactly the sort of player we were missing - and I think we can all see the difference. He's dynamic, moves off the flank, swaps sides....and add that to Lallana doing the same we're now much more of a handful. He's also working his arse off to win the ball back which is great to see. As he showed with Millwall at this level he can be terrific - and hopefully he can carry that on with us I agree, hard to judge anyone on yesterdays conditions but against Cardiff I thought he was outstanding. My only concern is that we have seen this before. When he came here he was great for the first 8 games or so then faded badly. I hope it doesnt happen this time for his sake and ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 He's quite clearly a class player, bundles of ability but we've always known that. Now with his attitude appearing to change he could be the difference between 3rd and 2nd this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 (edited) Crunch will be what happens now that Guly is back. Or Chaplow. Who starts? How does Punch respond if either has a run of form and keeps him out of the side etc. Edited 5 February, 2012 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simondo Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 what a difference a week makes - he was the figure of hate only ten days ago, now hes golden balls i for one, are very pleased he has swallowed his pride, been contrite and from what i have seen, is really trying.... long may that continue well done punch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 I've always liked Puncheon and supported him right through. Personally i've gone on record as saying he's had a hard time for no reason and when he hit **** form we jumped on his back instead of supporting him. The main problem is a lot of our fans actually don't know very much about football and prefer to jump on bandwagons tabloid press style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 this is ******, he has not been our best player, and still has a lot more to do to make up anywhere near for his attitude etc for the last year. Jesus, you must be all bible bashi9ng forgive and forget on here! Spose you all want Myra out too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 Great response from him, but a lot more to prove. As someone else has said he has the ability, but has he the right temperament? Also I am worried if he upsets the team spirt, but everyone seems to be back on board the bus. Next stop premier league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 this is ******, he has not been our best player, and still has a lot more to do to make up anywhere near for his attitude etc for the last year. Jesus, you must be all bible bashi9ng forgive and forget on here! Spose you all want Myra out too? I thought he was our best player against Cardiff, yep he does have a lot more to do to make up for his attitude in the last year but he does deserve some credit for the way he has started. I never wanted him back BUT am more than happy for him to prove me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 'Outstanding' .... 'Great' .... 'Class player' I'd say he's put a decent shift in alright since his return, but has he really done even nearly enough to earn the above descriptions ? If those who lavish such extravagant praise on Jason Puncheon would care to point out a single tangible difference this player has made to the teams results since his return then there might just be some basis in fact for their views. When this player (or any other) does something truly out of the ordinary then I'll acknowledge that because I'm a firm believer in praise where praise is due. While we're waiting for that happy day I rather think some on here have either become carried away with on a wave of OTT enthusiasm, or maybe they are just far too easily pleased. ..... I tell you, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance - Luke 15:7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 Crunch will be what happens now that Guly is back. Or Chaplow. Who starts? How does Punch respond if either has a run of form and keeps him out of the side etc. When we get Chaplow back, there looks like a a lot of crunches all over the front half of our formation. Puncheon has performed so well since he returned to the fold that he opens up all sorts of possibilities. If Chaplow returns to do his magic on the right, Lallanas going to need to be on top form to keep Puncheon out. I have always thought of the midfield always consisting of two from Cork, Schneiderlin and Hammond. But with Puncheon, Guly and Chaplow in midfield it would only need one for certain games. It's all going to come down to who is on form and doing the business, the way it should be. Up front I am struggling to see what Sharp does over a fit Connolly, but it cannot be bad for us. I like the look and approach of Chung, he offers something different to the rest of our forwards, pace. So I hope he gets a couple of shouts. I can't see Falque getting another game unless he starts doing magic tricks in training, with Barnard and De Ridder wondering when they will get on the pitch again. We have a lot of fixtures coming up with a squad that really should be able to compete twice a week. It's going to be very important we keep all the players fresh by changing the line ups for two a week fixtures. It's going to be very interesting how we stack the bench, even to the temptation(just a temptation) of dropping Bart to maximise our options. Things have looked bleak recently, but we are definitely on the up with what looks like the strongest line up for the race to the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 'Outstanding' .... 'Great' .... 'Class player' I'd say he's put a decent shift in alright since his return, but has he really done even nearly enough to earn the above descriptions ? If those who lavish such extravagant praise on Jason Puncheon would care to point out a single tangible difference this player has made to the teams results since his return then there might just be some basis in fact for their views. When this player (or any other) does something truly out of the ordinary then I'll acknowledge that because I'm a firm believer in praise where praise is due. While we're waiting for that happy day I rather think some on here have either become carried away with on a wave of OTT enthusiasm, or maybe they are just far too easily pleased. IIRC you have always had something against him, even before he went off on his strop. So excuse me if I don't read too much into what you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 Hes proved me wrong since coming back I hold my hands up and apologise for slagging him off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 IIRC you have always had something against him, even before he went off on his strop. So excuse me if I don't read too much into what you say. I call it as I see it, and you can rest assured your opinions seldom carry much weight with me either. But if you can point out some vital contribution he has made recently then I suggest you do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 He's done ok to good but needs more game time as he seems to run out of steam around 60 - 65 mins. Just hoping his attitude stays the same and doesn't get all stroppy again - time will tell on that front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 I call it as I see it, and you can rest assured your opinions seldom carry much weight with me either. But if you can point out some vital contribution he has made recently then I suggest you do so. I wouldn't say he's made any vital contributions, and I don't think anyone is saying that, what we're saying is that he's come back into the fold and is proving alot of us wrong. He's made our midfield much more dynamic for a start, his ability to come off the flank, play through the middle and swap sides is making us less predictable - which we were when we had 3 central midfielders out there. He's changed and improved the team dynamic for me, he's not personally made any key contributions, but his presence has improved the balance of the side - and his attitude for me, has been top draw. Once he gets even fitter I think we're lucky to have a player like him for the run in. WHU and Blackpool wanted him as they felt he could add something extra to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 As we've told all his loan teams in the past - enjoy your first few games out of him. Whether he's completely changed his attitude for good and is willing to play for this team and give 100% until the end of his contract, I reserve judgement, but a leopard doesn't change his spots overnight. I'm pleased he's been playing well, and long may it continue, but be wary of any changing attitudes he may have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 He's been the best player over the last 2 games (certainly best in 1st half of Cardiff game), but really that isn't saying very much because the whole team has been average in those games. He is clearly not match fit, hence his replacement in 2nd half of both matches, but he has showed that he can make things happen. Has not made a tangible difference to any results so far. Will be interesting to see his progress or otherwise in the next few games when there are other options available. Never liked him and didn't want him back but have to say his performances are clearly turning me into a Bible basher (if thats what accepting that a player might be better than I thought means). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 I wouldn't say he's made any vital contributions, and I don't think anyone is saying that, what we're saying is that he's come back into the fold and is proving alot of us wrong. He's made our midfield much more dynamic for a start, his ability to come off the flank, play through the middle and swap sides is making us less predictable - which we were when we had 3 central midfielders out there. He's changed and improved the team dynamic for me, he's not personally made any key contributions, but his presence has improved the balance of the side - and his attitude for me, has been top draw. Once he gets even fitter I think we're lucky to have a player like him for the run in. WHU and Blackpool wanted him as they felt he could add something extra to them. On the contrary, some on here apparently think he's made a 'great' or 'outstanding' contribution it would seem - to my way of thinking such high praise should be earned and not just given away. As for any supposed high demand for this player services from other clubs, I rather think the real reason (indeed the only reason) he is still playing for this great club is because no other club is prepared to pay serious money to sign him - I tend to place more faith in that professional judgment of this players real worth than anything I read on here thanks very much. But it's in all our interests that he performs well while he is still here, so believe it or not, I'd like to see him succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 Crunch will be what happens now that Guly is back. Or Chaplow. Who starts? How does Punch respond if either has a run of form and keeps him out of the side etc. This. Most definitely. The problems with Puncheon started when AO-C was in blistering form and kept him out of the team. Suppose the answer from the players view is to consistently deliver top-drawer performances so that he stays first choice for RM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 I wonder if this thread would exist if Chaplow was fit. A cynic might speculate that the "reconciliation" would not have happened then and that Chappers is actally more crocked than the club are letting on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 I think he's a good player unlike Guly who i think is sh/t. So much for the theory of those who wave the race card when I criticise Guly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 Crunch will be what happens now that Guly is back. Or Chaplow. Who starts? How does Punch respond if either has a run of form and keeps him out of the side etc. If playing well, Ox-C is better RM than JP who is better RM that Guly or Chaplow. Guly is better forward. Chaplow offers more grit energy JP is also very good in CM controlling a game, This is what Adkins is paid a lot of money to sort out! Depends on fitness, form and who we are playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 As we've told all his loan teams in the past - enjoy your first few games out of him. Whether he's completely changed his attitude for good and is willing to play for this team and give 100% until the end of his contract, I reserve judgement, but a leopard doesn't change his spots overnight. I'm pleased he's been playing well, and long may it continue, but be wary of any changing attitudes he may have. Agree , had the same discussion this morning. As long as he is here, playing and motivated (on board with his oar in his hand ) then great, but deep down you wonder when he will throw a tantrum at being substituted or rested. I just hope he makes a significant contribution in amassing a number of wins and points, before he throws a wobbly ( chucks his oar overboard - to paraphrase an Adkinsism). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pressingon Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 Well the people on here have voted him MOTM in the two games he's played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itchen_block4 Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 He's done ok to good but needs more game time as he seems to run out of steam around 60 - 65 mins. Just hoping his attitude stays the same and doesn't get all stroppy again - time will tell on that front. No surprise really. He hadn't played, even reserve games, for months and rarely turned up to training because he wasn't in Warnock's plans at QPR. It would have been stupid to pay a silly fee or sign someone from the limited pool of available players when we could bury the hatchet with Puncheon for free. I really hope that he has changed his attitude for good or at least for the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 I've always liked Puncheon and supported him right through. Personally i've gone on record as saying he's had a hard time for no reason and when he hit **** form we jumped on his back instead of supporting him. The main problem is a lot of our fans actually don't know very much about football and prefer to jump on bandwagons tabloid press style. Excuse me but how can you possibly know that? Were you party to any fallings out between Puncheon and Cortese/Pardew/Adkins or whoever it may or may not have been? If not then how can you pontificate about him having had a "hard time for no reason"? I don't know the ins and outs of it either (I wasn't there either, you see?) - but they do say there is no smoke without fire. None of this has anything at all to do with your last (probably correct) suggestion that fans no little about football. PS I'm delighted and surprised to see him back and looking pretty good indeed (I can't be sure as I obviously know nothing about football). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 Yes he has been good. PLEASE remember though he's a skillful flair player who will look good in some games where his play comes off, and will look bad in games when it doesn't come off. Can we please not get on his back in those games where he doesnt come off. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 This also works replacing the word 'fans' with 'people' and the word 'football' with 'anything'. I agree one hundred percent. Why think for yourself when you can let others do it for you. (This doesn't mean being controversial for the sake of it or being contrite because you believe it makes you look sage. There's plenty of that goes on too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 I can't believe the power and the energy he has brought to the team since the reconciliation, it's like getting a new million pound player in the trasnsfer window: well done NC and NA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 Punch has done fairly well since rejoining the squad and will hopefully improve further. My biggest concern is the fitness of bald Eagle. He has been injury prone for a year or three which may be why we got him so cheaply. Do we need a replacement for next season irrespective of which league we are in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 Wasnt that impressed with him on Tuesday but he was better yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 He tries to be creative,so that is a plus,whether his attitude will improve over time,only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 I think he's a good player unlike Guly who i think is sh/t. So much for the theory of those who wave the race card when I criticise Guly. Is this a joke or have you just not thought it through properly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 Guly is a good player IMO. Stats show that. Look at reading away created goal, boro home unplayable, palace at home 2 goals. Vs leicester worked So hard even tho he was out of position too. Looked good when he came on yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-crinny Posted 5 February, 2012 Share Posted 5 February, 2012 When we get Chaplow back, there looks like a a lot of crunches all over the front half of our formation. Puncheon has performed so well since he returned to the fold that he opens up all sorts of possibilities. If Chaplow returns to do his magic on the right, Lallanas going to need to be on top form to keep Puncheon out. I have always thought of the midfield always consisting of two from Cork, Schneiderlin and Hammond. But with Puncheon, Guly and Chaplow in midfield it would only need one for certain games. It's all going to come down to who is on form and doing the business, the way it should be. Up front I am struggling to see what Sharp does over a fit Connolly, but it cannot be bad for us. I like the look and approach of Chung, he offers something different to the rest of our forwards, pace. So I hope he gets a couple of shouts. I can't see Falque getting another game unless he starts doing magic tricks in training, with Barnard and De Ridder wondering when they will get on the pitch again. We have a lot of fixtures coming up with a squad that really should be able to compete twice a week. It's going to be very important we keep all the players fresh by changing the line ups for two a week fixtures. It's going to be very interesting how we stack the bench, even to the temptation(just a temptation) of dropping Bart to maximise our options. Things have looked bleak recently, but we are definitely on the up with what looks like the strongest line up for the race to the line. Strange comment about Sharp - he made his debut in appalling conditions and struggled to get into the game for the half an hour or so he played, therefore, he is no better than Connolly? Really do not understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 6 February, 2012 Share Posted 6 February, 2012 I don't know about him being our best player, but he hascertainly been the most industrious. And that is a real concern actually,because one has to then question either the fitness/stamina or the heart ofsome of the other players. We do need a Chaplow type player in central midfieldquite urgently now - Cork, Morgan and Hammond are far too similar for my likingas none can provide the penetration through the middle of the field that weneed when trying to push forward. Everything gets squeezed out onto the wingsand becomes highly predictable. Against Brum this was changed by Adkins byputting Puncheon central into a diamond - changed the balance of the game ifnot the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 6 February, 2012 Share Posted 6 February, 2012 He's blocked me on Twitter, so he has alot to do to get me on side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 6 February, 2012 Share Posted 6 February, 2012 Is this a joke or have you just not thought it through properly? oh dear, who is this Dune idiot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 6 February, 2012 Share Posted 6 February, 2012 I have to agree he looks alot better now he wants to track back etc, IMO i think he realises this is the biggest club he will play at and probs the only club who will now have him in the prem at the moment, so hes not only playing to do well for us, but also himself, works fine for me though, means 2nd place can be secured now we have him Lallana Chappers Guly and allowing Sharp Lee and Lambert to be are strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 6 February, 2012 Share Posted 6 February, 2012 I think he's a good player unlike Guly who i think is sh/t. So much for the theory of those who wave the race card when I criticise Guly. To be fair to Guly our most dangerous moment on Sat was when Guly made a penetrating run into their box and the Brum defender was forced to take one for the team on the edge of the area. Lambert blasted over but had the Brum defender not taken a yellow then Guly may have nicked it for us. He may look disinterested but he does offer a flash of brilliance every now and again that has quite often made the difference. Overall I quite like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 6 February, 2012 Share Posted 6 February, 2012 He may not yet have achieved redemption in everybody's eyes but he has still been our best player in the last couple of games he has played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krycek1885 Posted 6 February, 2012 Share Posted 6 February, 2012 Good to see him back and it's all sorted..... Just like a new signing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 6 February, 2012 Share Posted 6 February, 2012 He may not yet have achieved redemption in everybody's eyes but he has still been our best player in the last couple of games he has played Yep, this says it all for me.....I'm delighted JP is back and I admire his determination and skill to make a mark again for SFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 6 February, 2012 Share Posted 6 February, 2012 Just in case you read this Punch.. Great attitude and great performances ! Keep it up son !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Bob Posted 6 February, 2012 Share Posted 6 February, 2012 Since his return I think he's probably been our best player (He certainly was against Cardiff). He's definitely brought a spark back to the team and I'm hoping he keeps it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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