Ohio Saint Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 Helps explain MatchDay postings doesn't it Yes, it does!! LOL And just to prove I ain't fibbing..... Each sack of malt makes 338 pints!
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 Dune in 'smug but wrong again' shocker. Congratulations on falling for the marketing, you need to look through the spin a bit more. Heineken import a little bit of bottled beer and use that to create the illusion that all Heineken is from Holland. Draught Heineken sold in the UK is brewed in the UK. The bottled stuff, a minor part of sales, may come from Holland but may also come from some other random brewery - in which case the label will say 'Imported' rather than 'Brewed in Holland'. Thats why ads feature bottles rather than pints - they are very adept at misleading. With Heineken they have managed to stay within the law, with Kronenbourg, not. http://www.chinchinjobs.com/news/article/heineken-told-to-drop-kronenbourg-brewed-in-france-claim-1829 http://m.local.stv.tv/edinburgh/news/23489-edinburgh-based-heineken-misleads-consumers-with-false-claims/ Heineken: "As a business committed to the UK, we are proud that more than 95% of our beer sold in the UK is brewed in the UK". http://www.heineken.co.uk/pdf/Heineken%20UK%20Sustainability%20Report%202010.pdf Well I am afraid that without sounding like a smart arse you are wrong. All Heineken sold in the UK is imported from Holland. That is since 2003 I think. It makes up most of that 5%. You need to do more research I am afraid.
buctootim Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 (edited) Well I am afraid that without sounding like a smart arse you are wrong. All Heineken sold in the UK is imported from Holland. That is since 2003 I think. It makes up most of that 5%. You need to do more research I am afraid. Lol. Heinekens brands in the UK are Heineken, Kronenbourg, Fosters and John Smiths. You think Heineken amounts to less than 5% of that total.......... In 2003 they brought out the UK licence holder, changed the strength to 5% abv to bring it into line with other markets and brought the brewing inhouse. You are confused - easily apparently. Edited 3 February, 2012 by buctootim
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 Lol. Heinekens brands in the UK are Heineken, Kronenbourg, Fosters and John Smiths. You think Heineken amounts to less than 5% of that total.......... In 2003 the brought out the licence holder, changed the strength to 5% abv to bring it into line with other markets and started brweing the beer themselves. You are confused - easily apparently. No I am a drinks consultant. You are wrong.
buctootim Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 (edited) No I am a drinks consultant. You are wrong. So are Heineken in their published reports according to you. Think I'll believe their own words than a random on a message board, especially one who doesnt present any contrary evidence. Edited 3 February, 2012 by buctootim
dune Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 No I am a drinks consultant. You are wrong. Timmy is looking even more of a tit now.
buctootim Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 Timmy is looking even more of a tit now. When you comment on antiques, or holidays you can actually be interesting. Doing this sucky up thing that you favour on the Ugly Inside to SRS and Turkish and on here on politics threads just makes you look pathetic.
svetigpung Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 a nice pint of Ale , especially at this time of year. Spitfire ! however , a cold lager aint wrong during those warm summer days. And lager if i'm on a bender.....can't neck down pints and pints of the dark stuff.
landford.saint Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 Fosters all the way. Dont take the p!ss out of Fosters, it needs all the flavour it can get.
suewhistle Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 There is no contest, Real Ale all the time. Occasional, on a very hot day I may have a cold bottle of Peroni or Miller genuine draft, but I wont drink lager out of a can, or in a pub. No real ale and I'll have a Guinness, if only lager, I'll walk. John Smith's/Worthingtons/Boddingtons any smoothflow sort of stuff is as bad as lager and avioded at all cost. That's my view too, although the local "English" pub does some tasty unfiltered German lager and Weissen which I actually prefer to the imported British keg stuff. They once only had some unpasteurised stuff from a local micro-brewery and that was good. I've a few bottles of English stuff in the cellar (Pedigree etc.) bought on supermarket offer at Christmas but I don't seem to have got enough: possibly too many internet matchday streams to watch...
dune Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 When you comment on antiques, or holidays you can actually be interesting. Doing this sucky up thing that you favour on the Ugly Inside to SRS and Turkish and on here on politics threads just makes you look pathetic. Stop being horrible to me please Timmy.
jjsaint Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 I love real ale, although I'll drink any beer that tastes good. Not a big fan of most of the big lager brands.
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 (edited) So are Heineken in their published reports according to you. Think I'll believe their own words than a random on a message board, especially one who doesnt present any contrary evidence. OK then heres a deal - I bet you £500 that Heineken is imported and when I am right you pay Jillyanne for her cat. That way we can do some good. Why don't you ring them up? Or maybe find a pub that sells a keg have a word with the landlord and ask if he minds if you can look in his cellar - I am pretty sure it tells you on the kegs that it is imported. Edited 3 February, 2012 by Sergei Gotsmanov
buctootim Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 (edited) OK then heres a deal - I bet you £500 that Heineken is imported and when I am right you pay Jillyanne for her cat. Why don't you ring them up? Or maybe find a pub that sells a keg have a word with the landlord and ask if he minds if you can look in his cellar - I am pretty sure it tells you on the kegs that it bis imported. Better still, since you are a 'drinks consultant' and clearly have this knowledge at your fingertips - give us some current links from Heineken or a respected source that show you are correct. After all, surely Heineken woulsd want to trumpet this unique place in the UK market - it would be a USP. So far I have given you Heineken's own sustainability report clearly stating over 95% of their beer sold in the UK is brewed in the UK, evidence that the Advertising Standards Authority recently found them to be misleading the public over the place of brewing of Kronenbourg and a BBC article, albeit old stating the vast majority of beer is UK origin for cost and freshness reasons. You have produced nothing apart from 'I'm right, you're wrong' which from a supposed industry professional is, um, - lets say straining credibility. Edited 3 February, 2012 by buctootim
dune Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 OK then heres a deal - I bet you £500 that Heineken is imported and when I am right you pay Jillyanne for her cat. That way we can do some good. Why don't you ring them up? Or maybe find a pub that sells a keg have a word with the landlord and ask if he minds if you can look in his cellar - I am pretty sure it tells you on the kegs that it is imported. Timmy is one of these people that never admits when he's wrong.
dubai_phil Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 'Kin ell. People have no idea about how to see through marketing do they? Guinness is brewed in 50 locations worldwide. Guiness did close the London brwery due to falling sales so mostly UK Guiness does come from Ireland. However the stuff in Dubai probably does taste totally different. In Nigeria they even use a different recipe. Yeah and tried some made in Singapore once - arrgh mega nasty. One of my employees in my previous role won a comp in TimeOut Dubai to be a Guinness Tester for a whole 3 months, included a trip to Dublin Factory for training then a weekly tour by bus of the bars here with the whole kit - White Coat, Toolkit etc. We ended up giving her the morning after off (in return for her weekly supply of a case of the stuff). I met up with them one night (after a Black Sabbath gig) you have never seen such a mess! 3 months that ran - 12 tours.... Damn I was jealous
buctootim Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 Yeah and tried some made in Singapore once - arrgh mega nasty. One of my employees in my previous role won a comp in TimeOut Dubai to be a Guinness Tester for a whole 3 months, included a trip to Dublin Factory for training then a weekly tour by bus of the bars here with the whole kit - White Coat, Toolkit etc. We ended up giving her the morning after off (in return for her weekly supply of a case of the stuff). I met up with them one night (after a Black Sabbath gig) you have never seen such a mess! 3 months that ran - 12 tours.... Damn I was jealous Cheers Phil. Going to be in Singapore later this month, so you've saved me a whole lot of anticipation followed by disappointment.
sebastian firefly Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 pinot noir for every day quaffing but prefer barolo or when im feeling run down a nice amarone cava to slum it
dubai_phil Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 All Guinness has been brewed in Dublin since 2005. So Dubai Guinness probably not so superior after all then. Huge taste difference my arse. In defence. I came out here in '93 Up to that date UK Guinness tasted like watered down gnat's p1ss so there was a huge taste difference. Your post confirms that I guess the same applies now with UK lagers now matching the 5% instead of Amstel Light alcohol levels, so there HAS been an improvement. Just would be nice if some pubs actually cleaned their pipes regularly.
dubai_phil Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 Cheers Phil. Going to be in Singapore later this month, so you've saved me a whole lot of anticipation followed by disappointment. Woo HOO! It's a Lager vs Ale thread but I still get a Golf plug in.... Going to Singapore? Stick to the Tiger.....
aintforever Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 Lager, but only the decent stuff. I refuse to drink cheap sh!t like Fosters, Carling etc any more. Peroni, Birra Moretti, Estrella Damm are the best drafts round my way. Stella Black is probably my favourite at the moment.
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 Better still, since you are a 'drinks consultant' and clearly have this knowledge at your fingertips - give us some current links from Heineken or a respected source that show you are correct. After all, surely Heineken woulsd want to trumpet this unique place in the UK market - it would be a USP. So far I have given you Heineken's own sustainability report clearly stating over 95% of their beer sold in the UK is brewed in the UK, evidence that the Advertising Standards Authority recently found them to be misleading the public over the place of brewing of Kronenbourg and a BBC article, albeit old stating the vast majority of beer is UK origin for cost and freshness reasons. You have produced nothing apart from 'I'm right, you're wrong' which from a supposed industry professional is, um, - lets say straining credibility. Look Buctotim I am not trying to score points. I cannot really do more than tell you that you are wrong. Go and look at a can, bottle or a Heineken Font and it will tell you that you are wrong. Why don't you do that and then undermine my credibility.
buctootim Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 (edited) Look Buctotim I am not trying to score points. I cannot really do more than tell you that you are wrong. Go and look at a can, bottle or a Heineken Font and it will tell you that you are wrong. Why don't you do that and then undermine my credibility. Do you actually read posts? I said bottles come from either Holland (labelled 'Brewed in Holland') or other non UK breweries (labelled 'Imported'). The point is about draught beer, the vast majority of the market. You contradict verifiable and linked sources - Heineken, the ASA, the BBC, but can produce no substantiation, just empty assertions. Edited 3 February, 2012 by buctootim
DG Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 HSB, London Pride, ESB, Old Speckled Hen, Hobgoblin, Old Peculiar...lovely.
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 Do you actually read posts? I said bottles come from either Holland (labelled 'Brewed in Holland') or other non UK breweries (labelled 'Imported'). The point is about draught beer, the vast majority of the market. You contradict verifiable and linked sources - Heineken, the ASA, the BBC, but can produce no substantiation, just empty assertions. Yes I read your posts and as I said I am not trying to score points but you are simply wrong, it is imported. Draught Heineken is also imported. How can I contradict Heineken? Did you know that they are the biggest Brewer now in the UK and that Heineken sales compared to their other main brands, John Smiths, Kronenbourg and Fosters Heineken are very small. You and your Dutch friend are just highlighting how perception is so influential in the beer market. How can telling you to read the label and the draught fonts be not be providing substantial evidence? I look forward to you admitting you are wrong.
dune Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 Yes I read your posts and as I said I am not trying to score points but you are simply wrong, it is imported. Draught Heineken is also imported. How can I contradict Heineken? Did you know that they are the biggest Brewer now in the UK and that Heineken sales compared to their other main brands, John Smiths, Kronenbourg and Fosters Heineken are very small. You and your Dutch friend are just highlighting how perception is so influential in the beer market. How can telling you to read the label and the draught fonts be not be providing substantial evidence? I look forward to you admitting you are wrong. You'll be waiting a long time.
Mattio Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 I like Ale but never end up drinking it cos after a few it makes me too ill so I mainly drink lager
Colinjb Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 Yes I read your posts and as I said I am not trying to score points but you are simply wrong, it is imported. Draught Heineken is also imported. How can I contradict Heineken? Did you know that they are the biggest Brewer now in the UK and that Heineken sales compared to their other main brands, John Smiths, Kronenbourg and Fosters Heineken are very small. You and your Dutch friend are just highlighting how perception is so influential in the beer market. How can telling you to read the label and the draught fonts be not be providing substantial evidence? I look forward to you admitting you are wrong. I can absolutely guarantee you that it is at the very least packaged in this country. Whether they truck in the liquid though is another matter.
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 I can absolutely guarantee you that it is at the very least packaged in this country. Whether they truck in the liquid though is another matter. That is not really the debate. It is imported and brewed in Holland. Lots of beers are imported and packaged over here. As for lager or ale the best pilsner/lager I enjoy is Pilsner Urquell but generally I love a good real ale. There are simply so many, especially now there are over 700 brewers now in this country. Thanks to Gordon Brown.
Colinjb Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 That is not really the debate. It is imported and brewed in Holland. Lots of beers are imported and packaged over here. I dissagree, many people do buy into the whole 'made in the uk' thing when it is infact just a repackage. I have done a lot of work recently with Constellation Europe, specifically at their wine bottling site in Avonmouth and certain friends have been aghast at the thought of many of their generic merlot and sauvignon blanc's being packaged here, despite the fact of course that the liquid itself is mass produced near to the original vinyards.
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 I dissagree, many people do buy into the whole 'made in the uk' thing when it is infact just a repackage. I have done a lot of work recently with Constellation Europe, specifically at their wine bottling site in Avonmouth and certain friends have been aghast at the thought of many of their generic merlot and sauvignon blanc's being packaged here, despite the fact of course that the liquid itself is mass produced near to the original vinyards. Forgive me Colin but the dispute is about the beer not the packaging. How does it affect the taste? As it happens, although I am not so confident I think that even the packaged Heineken is imported; certainly the cans are and probably the bottles.
Colinjb Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 Forgive me Colin but the dispute is about the beer not the packaging. How does it affect the taste? Due to the product undergoing two filling processes (once into the transport container, once into the can/bottle) it will effect it to a slight detriment. If the brewers are doing their job though it should be very slight.
dune Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 Due to the product undergoing two filling processes (once into the transport container, once into the can/bottle) it will effect it to a slight detriment. If the brewers are doing their job though it should be very slight. Let's say Timmy is an incy wincy teeny weeny bit right to stop him crying.
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 Due to the product undergoing two filling processes (once into the transport container, once into the can/bottle) it will effect it to a slight detriment. If the brewers are doing their job though it should be very slight. I would argue that it is more perception, Heineken is a fabulous pint
dune Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 I would argue that it is more perception, Heineken is a fabulous pint Heineken Export was. Not seen it in my locals for years though. It used to be big in Southampton.
Colinjb Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 (edited) I would argue that it is more perception, Heineken is a fabulous pint Haha. More power to you brother. Not a fan myself Becks Vier is my prefered 'tap' lager. Edited 3 February, 2012 by Colinjb
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 Haha. More power to you brother. Not a fan myself Becks Vier is my prefered 'tap' lager. Well I would disagree, the Germans are not used to brewing 4% lager. Just an excuse to charge 20p a pint more for pint in the pub. Not that I am cynical.
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 Heineken Export was. Not seen it in my locals for years though. It used to be big in Southampton. It was 5% so no need to have an export when it is all imported now.
View From The Top Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 (edited) :blush: Edited 3 February, 2012 by View From The Top ooops
View From The Top Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 Just click onto the sustainable agriculture tab. We want to ensure that we have full insight of where we source our raw materials and understand how they meet brewing and sustainable sourcing criteria. 30% of all apples grown in the UK are used by HEINEKEN, and two thirds of all cider apples All of the barley used in the brewing of HEINEKEN's beer in the UK is grown in the UK More than 95% of our beer sold in the UK is brewed in the UK Through heavy investment at our site in Herefordshire, Hereford is now regarded as the global centre of excellence for cider production. http://www.heineken.co.uk/resp_hukcares.php
LVSaint Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 English Ale every time, although I'm partial to the tasty microbrewed IPAs doing the rounds over here.
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 Just click onto the sustainable agriculture tab. We want to ensure that we have full insight of where we source our raw materials and understand how they meet brewing and sustainable sourcing criteria. 30% of all apples grown in the UK are used by HEINEKEN, and two thirds of all cider apples All of the barley used in the brewing of HEINEKEN's beer in the UK is grown in the UK More than 95% of our beer sold in the UK is brewed in the UK Through heavy investment at our site in Herefordshire, Hereford is now regarded as the global centre of excellence for cider production. http://www.heineken.co.uk/resp_hukcares.php VFTT I am not sure of your point. I merely pointed out that out of Heineken's beer portfolio their Heineken brand is imported contrary to what was said by Buctotim. If you would like to have a bet on this then I would be delighted to take your money as I suggested to Buctotim and would put it to solving DSM's dispute with JillyAnne and to buying a new Central defender.
View From The Top Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 VFTT I am not sure of your point. I merely pointed out that out of Heineken's beer portfolio their Heineken brand is imported contrary to what was said by Buctotim. If you would like to have a bet on this then I would be delighted to take your money as I suggested to Buctotim and would put it to solving DSM's dispute with JillyAnne and to buying a new Central defender. My point is that Heineken, on their own site, say 95% of their beer is brewed in the UK. Like you I thought they imported it all now.
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 My point is that Heineken, on their own site, say 95% of their beer is brewed in the UK. Like you I thought they imported it all now. Well they import Amstel, Heineken, Tiger and Sagres but they are tiny compared to John Smiths, Fosters, Kronenebourg and all their other UK smaller brands. They bought the UK's biggest brewer S&N. All I did was point out that Heineken was imported and was informed it was not. Anyway when the weather is hot try Pilsner Urquell.
Jonnyboy Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 That is not really the debate. It is imported and brewed in Holland. Lots of beers are imported and packaged over here. As for lager or ale the best pilsner/lager I enjoy is Pilsner Urquell but generally I love a good real ale. There are simply so many, especially now there are over 700 brewers now in this country. Thanks to Gordon Brown. What did Gordon Brown do?
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 What did Gordon Brown do? Put a sliding scale on beer duty.
dune Posted 3 February, 2012 Posted 3 February, 2012 I like san miguel in spain, but think it tastes sh/t over here. Why is that?
View From The Top Posted 4 February, 2012 Posted 4 February, 2012 I like san miguel in spain, but think it tastes sh/t over here. Why is that? Perhaps it depends on whether it's UK brewed and imported?
georgeg Posted 4 February, 2012 Posted 4 February, 2012 HSB, London Pride, ESB, Old Speckled Hen, Hobgoblin, Old Peculiar...lovely. lovely! .. plenty of proper real ale and def no "fizz" crap
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