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Give it to Ron

Give it to Ron

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Did anyone else think Chun looked a little lightweight? Don't get me wrong he showed some nice technique with his touches but just thought he didn't show enough physicality?

 

Based on 30 minutes?? Of course Pahars was such a tank.

S-Clarke

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I thought he looked fine. Again 30mins is no time to judge anyone, and make any rash conclusions on them.

 

But from what I saw, he looks like he has the potential to be really useful for us.

 

Similar seems to have happened to Lee Barnard, he's had what...20mins league action this year? He didn't score, so he's obviously not good enough for this level. Bizarre logic IMO.

BrokenGusBus

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I thought he looked fine. Again 30mins is no time to judge anyone, and make any rash conclusions on them.

 

But from what I saw, he looks like he has the potential to be really useful for us.

 

Similar seems to have happened to Lee Barnard, he's had what...20mins league action this year? He didn't score, so he's obviously not good enough for this level. Bizarre logic IMO.

 

I never said he wasn't good enough for this level?

JonnyLove

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Did anyone else think Chun looked a little lightweight? Don't get me wrong he showed some nice technique with his touches but just thought he didn't show enough physicality?

 

Inserting facepalm image thingy here.

kpturner

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I never said he wasn't good enough for this level?
What did you mean by "didn't show enough physicality"? What were you expecting him to do that he didn't do?
kelkel31

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is this in comparison to connelly and barnard, maybe jack cork, morgan or lallana?

 

we dont have a physical looking squad, bar rickie and is probably an aspect missing from our game that would require a big change in the game plan. i wouldnt object to having(for serious want of a better discription) 'a big black man' type player as a holding midfielder to do the grunt work breaking up play and allowing our forward players more freedom.

 

p.s please take comment as a sterotype and nothing else

Sour Mash

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Did anyone else think Chun looked a little lightweight? Don't get me wrong he showed some nice technique with his touches but just thought he didn't show enough physicality?
No. What were you expecting? The next Uri van Goebell?
BrokenGusBus

BrokenGusBus

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What did you mean by "didn't show enough physicality"? What were you expecting him to do that he didn't do?

 

He was weak and fragile, he never tried to win anything in the air or push past people to win the ball.

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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I never said he wasn't good enough for this level?

 

I didn't say you did.....it's just the point of people making snap judgements in 30mins of football.

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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Got absolutely crunched and got straight up off and running. Enough said.

 

...and 5mins later went and crunched one of their players! That was enough for me...

kpturner

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He was weak and fragile, he never tried to win anything in the air or push past people to win the ball.
I beg to differ. It might sound rude, but I think you are taking a rather simplistic view on the matter. Still, it is all about opinion.
S-Clarke

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He was weak and fragile, he never tried to win anything in the air or push past people to win the ball.

 

He played 30mins, in fact in total that's probably 45 minutes he's played in England. You cannot come to conclusions and judgements like that based on such a short timescale.

 

Weeks/months - yes, but minutes? come on.

 

The same way people can't really come to the conclusion that he's going to be a world beater based on 45mins. But the general feeling is that he has the potential to be decent for us, and I saw more positives than negatives that's for sure.

Whitey

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I thought he did just fine.... seemed to want to get stuck in and chase balls. Might not have Lambert's stature, but looked tenacious enough.

saint-crinny

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Took a full on 'welcome to the Championship' tackle soon after coming on and handled it pretty well. He was still full of running and wanting the ball all the time, so i don't have any real concerns.

SNSUN

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When I ran on the pitch after the last game of last season, immediately some bloke came over to me and told me I was too fat to ever play for Southampton. I'd only been on the pitch 30 seconds.

 

Dum de dum de doo.

kpturner

kpturner

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You know who I meant, f**k looking up the spelling!
Oh - so you weren't just mispelling the name of the Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945? :)
Saint86

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Did anyone else think Chun looked a little lightweight? Don't get me wrong he showed some nice technique with his touches but just thought he didn't show enough physicality?

 

No not really, it worries me that we have fans who would judge a player so quickly, he has played 45min of football in one and half months, his off the ball sense is superb, best I have seen at sms in recent years, and he would have scored with that stretch if he could have found another inch of leg. He did damn well to get on the end of it anyway, great off the ball reading and recations, reminds me of the little pea.

 

I also noticed that he always finds loads of space, once people like cork and lambert get used to him they will be picking him out with ease, and some of his youtube finishing is sublime, unsaveable for any keeper.

 

Also, the guy has just come here from a very different culture, would be nice if he could see saints fans supporting him. and btw, lallana is just as light as he is, and connolly, don't even get me started....

saint1977

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He did more in 30 minutes recently than Connolly has done in several games recently. DC was a cracking player in his time but Adkins was scraping the bottom of the barrel by playing him nearly all game Tuesday night. Connolly is fine as an impact sub but that's all. I'd rather have given Barnie an hour to get some game time under his belt. I'd give Barnie a localish loan to Yeovil or Exeter (they are really toothless at the moment) to sharpen up. Lee will be bedded in with Sharp coming in and looks like he's got a good work rate and turn of pace, both of which are welcome attributes at this stage of the season.

Windmill Arm 2

Windmill Arm 2

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Did anyone else think Chun looked a little lightweight? Don't get me wrong he showed some nice technique with his touches but just thought he didn't show enough physicality?

 

Oh Phucking hell here we go again ........ :(

Ivan Katalinic's 'tache

Ivan Katalinic's 'tache

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I seem to recall some were questioning Jos' strength when he was given a lesson in Championship life by Ishmael Miller. The conditioning work Adkins often speaks of put that right and I'd imagine once Lee learns about the English game & is subjected to some of the Adkins diet, he'll be fine.

Jack

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Got absolutely crunched and got straight up off and running. Enough said.

 

...and 5mins later went and crunched one of their players! That was enough for me...

 

This x2. You don't need to be a unit to be a good player. Speed and skill can often be enough. Look at Messi.

TheSaint75

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To be fair to the OP, Lee did bounce off a few defenders soon after he came on, after that I think he was more aware of being crunched and set himself to deal with it and got himself balanced from then on

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he got absolutly crunched got straight up and jogged in to the box ready for the free kick, i cant belive this thread, 30mins football in a new country, a new league

and you are already writing him off. ridiculous

S-Clarke

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Crazy thread. Lee looked every bit the real deal. I get the feeling that once he starts scoring, it's going to be hard to stop him. He has frighteningly good pace.

 

Based on the short amount of time i've seen him, he looks quick in the mind too. I don't think he's massively pacey, but his quickness of mind will allow him to skip away from CB's before they even realise.

wild-saint

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Did anyone else think Chun looked a little lightweight? Don't get me wrong he showed some nice technique with his touches but just thought he didn't show enough physicality?

 

Based on the 30 mins that i saw and nothing else, I thought he had a decent touch, turn of pace and awareness. I do agree my initial thoughts he looked like he lacked strength but thats just my opinion and may be bullied off the ball at times. It certainly doesn't mean i have judged him or written him off. I wouldn't like to say either way whether he will be a roaring success, a complete flop or somewhere in between.

 

I think its a little unfair ripping in to the OP because he dared to highlight his initial thoughts on a players attributes just because its a negative. In the same light it could be called to question that all these other posters are making a judgment on his great touch on awareness based on only 30 minutes. But then thats ok because its a safe comment.

scotty

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Why does every player get called lightweight? Every player who isn't massive. Morgan did and he's a fairly big guy. Even David Silva was written off as lightweight before actually giving him time to adapt to the game. This isn't cagefighting. Decent players can be effective whatever their size, it's quality that counts.

 

It used to be, though ;) or as near as dammit.

Secret Site Agent

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He was weak and fragile, he never tried to win anything in the air or push past people to win the ball.

 

Who are you and what do you want?

What is your agenda?

Why are you questioning Lee?

And where is my big sandwich?

 

All perfectly sensible questions based on your criteria? After all, after 9 posts i'm wondering if you're up for this board:lol:

manji

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Did anyone else think Chun looked a little lightweight? Don't get me wrong he showed some nice technique with his touches but just thought he didn't show enough physicality?

I thought quite opposite. Are you sure you were at the game ?

Sour Mash

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Crazy thread. Lee looked every bit the real deal. I get the feeling that once he starts scoring, it's going to be hard to stop him. He has frighteningly good pace.
Just at the opening post was stupid, as is this. There is no-way you could have seen that he looked "every bit the real deal" from either the Millwall or Cardiff games.
Saintandy666

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I thought he looked quite useful. Fast, nimble and not afraid to get stuck in. He also showed some nice touches. Considering he only came over from Japan last week, very promising. He seemed very flexible also. I'm interested to see how he develops.

miserableoldgit

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He played 30mins, in fact in total that's probably 45 minutes he's played in England. You cannot come to conclusions and judgements like that based on such a short timescale.

Weeks/months - yes, but minutes? come on.

 

The same way people can't really come to the conclusion that he's going to be a world beater based on 45mins. But the general feeling is that he has the potential to be decent for us, and I saw more positives than negatives that's for sure.

 

Apparently you can!

SaintSteve

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Just at the opening post was stupid, as is this. There is no-way you could have seen that he looked "every bit the real deal" from either the Millwall or Cardiff games.

 

Agreed, the OP was simply pointing out what a lot of people said where I was sitting.. he was easily given the arm off when he could have scored with the 'toe poke'. However, as said earlier; some body building from the Adkins training regime will hopefully strengthen him up.

Saint

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Did anyone else think Chun looked a little lightweight? Don't get me wrong he showed some nice technique with his touches but just thought he didn't show enough physicality?

 

I don't want to repeat what others have already said but, he did get up after a strong tackle. Plus, he also held up the ball on the edge of their box and then provided a cross. Aside from that he didn't really need to show any physicality as he was finding space away from defenders. Irrelevant though really as he did show he had strength.

 

I don't like to bash people on here for their points of view but really, what were you expecting from 30 minutes of a home debut?

 

Personally, I was impressed. He caused them problems and they didn't know what to do with him.

grammy

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Got absolutely crunched and got straight up off and running. Enough said.

 

This 100%. Didn't moan to the ref or player that clattered him. Crazy thread after 30 mins of playing imho !

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