laughba Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Think most people would agree with me that cork should start always.. That leaves one more CM position availible.. would you have Hammond or Schneiderlin? Personally I prefer Hammond.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Morgan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 If it's a choice between the two, Morgan....always. Hammond is not the future of our midfield and IMO will be one of the first from this squad to go in the summer. This season however, I anticipate that NA will continue to rotate the midfield pairing now that the wings are largely covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Think most people would agree with me that cork should start always.. That leaves one more CM position availible.. would you have Hammond or Schneiderlin? Personally I prefer Hammond.. I'm pretty sure they will be rotated for the rest of the season but if I had to choose I'd say Morgan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Horses for courses. A wide open game at SMS would suit Morgan more. A tough, ugly away game on a crap pitch would probably suit Hammond more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 I don't think Cork should always start - I want as fresh a CM as possible to maintain the kind of intensity/pressing that featured in our early season play. Along with Chappers, I can see us mixing and matching quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simondo Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Hammond all day long - Morgan is a stand in at best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Surely it isn't just about one midfielder so much as the blend and balance. The best four players don't always make the most effective midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Morgan for me, but as said above, it's about the blend of midfield. I think Morgan and Cork work well together and have the creativity to create attacks, which players like Lallana and Punch thrive on. But Hammond has the ability to secure a midfield when we need to simply keep things calm and stay in control, which IMO is better suited to somebody like Chaplow who needs just a simple ball into feet to run directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Morgan for me. I also don't think Cork should always start, he's had some shockers this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Morgan all day long! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Surely it isn't just about one midfielder so much as the blend and balance. The best four players don't always make the most effective midfield. This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bensfcno1 Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Morgan everytime! He would be my number 1 CM ahead of Cork as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Depends on the game and the opposition surely? As NA says it's a squad game what works well for one game might not for the next game. Deano and Morgan both have strengths is up to NA to play to those strengths as he sees fit. I don't think Cork is a first name on the team sheet player either we only have one of those and that's Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Good to have choices like this all over our side now but Morgan is the future and he has better vision on passing. Deano has done brilliantly this year, though, better than I and a fair few others thought he would so it's nice not to have a bad choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Hammond all day long - Morgan is a stand in at best +1 (although I do think that Morgan has improved this season). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Morgan all day long Hammond is a stand in at best, albeit that he has improved this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Cork is the most consistent of the three in his best position (i.e holding mid, not right wing or right back) he tracks back, closes down space, wins tackles and rarely gives the ball away. Morgan has flashes of genius but can quite easily cock up a 5 yard pass leaving the defence exposed. Hammond is the most limited but has a lot of a heart and is tougher in the challenge than Morgan. Horses for courses though and against a hard working Cardiff midfield tonight I would start with Puncheon Cork Hammond and Lallana with Morgan for Hammond after 60 minutes. I have heard Cardiff fans say they have the best midfield in the league.... lets see tonight........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonfc Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Hammond, he's not the ulimate centre mid for sure but Morgan just doesn't command the middle and our midfield is just a mess when he plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Hammond. We seem to miss him when he doesn't play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Hammond. We seem to miss him when he doesn't play. I thought we played a bit better AFTER he got subbed against Leicester. Against better opposition, they just play around him. Whenever he tries to pass it like cork or Morgan, he's forever losing the ball. Bit one paced and really lacks quality. Our captain maybe, but our poorest midfielder. Like someone else said, Morgan is the future. Hammond won't make prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian the Red Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Without any doubt Morgan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Depends on the game and the opposition surely? As NA says it's a squad game what works well for one game might not for the next game. Deano and Morgan both have strengths is up to NA to play to those strengths as he sees fit. I don't think Cork is a first name on the team sheet player either we only have one of those and that's Lambert. Davis? Richardson? Lallana? ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 I thought we played a bit better AFTER he got subbed against Leicester. Against better opposition, they just play around him. When I saw the thread title I was trying to think how to articulate my thoughts and that's it, as quoted above. In my opinion Hammond's been fairly anonymous of late. Obviously a lot more teams have worked out the way that we like to play, but also because he's simply not getting into the games, giving possession away very cheaply and being bossed by his opposite number. That said I agree with consensus - all of our midfielders have a part to play in different scenarios. My main worry about that central unit is that we can look decidedly lightweight for this division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-crinny Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 If we make it to the Prem i would expect Morgan to really come to the fore. Slightly less physical than the Champ and look at the way he ran the show against Man Utd in the first half last season - and he was in there against some quality players (Scholes, Anderson, Gibson). Superb passer of the ball and always makes time and space for himself. Hard to find a better first touch in the league i would say. Hammond has none of that, but in some of the disgusting away games where we need to slug it out, he has put in some great performances over the last year and a half. Anyway, Morgan all day long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channonball Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Hammond, Morgan goes missing too often for me. Hammond is more likely to pop us with a goal too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Morgan for me he can be frustrating & go missing in games & he dosent look as good when a team presses us & he hasnt got ime but he has the ability to boss a game he is very talented & the best passer we have no doubt he can step up to the prem. We have a good mix in midfield Hammond has impressed me this season & done very well no doubt NA will continue to use both of the Hammond when it is full throttle & you need to get a foot in & Morgan when there is a chance to get on the ball & pass long term Morgan gets my vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Hammond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 The question is Scheiderlin or Hammond, and Cork or Chaplow. I'm surprised from the comments that Chaplow isn't mentioned, because he shouldn't be thought of as an RM. My first choice is Hammond and my second is a form based choice of Cork or Chaplow. Those two should not play together, and neither should Schneiderlin and Hammond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 The question is Scheiderlin or Hammond, and Cork or Chaplow. I'm surprised from the comments that Chaplow isn't mentioned, because he shouldn't be thought of as an RM. My first choice is Hammond and my second is a form based choice of Cork or Chaplow. Those two should not play together, and neither should Schneiderlin and Hammond. Chaplow and Morgan will get the most games together from now till the end of the season I both hope and reckon. Acid test came against utd in FA cup. They rocked it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Horses for courses. Some games favour Schneiderlin and some favour Hammond. It's why we have a squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Morgan is a youngster with a promising future in the game, has an eye for a pass and is a faurly defensive. Hammond will soon be 29, can score goals and is a real engine in the midfield. Both have their pros and cons. You can't choose between them, which is why they'll be rotated, but Hammond is captain for a reason. I'm happy with those three in the centre fighting out for a spot - and don't forget there's Chaplow in that position too! (Although I prefer him out wide.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Morgan, but I think we should rotate all 3 around. I dont think Hammond is a great footballer, but his determination & leadership are second to no other player at SFC IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Hammond all day long - Morgan is a stand in at best Agreed. Hammond is worth it for his goals alone. Morgan is a reactive player, watching him is like watching a square-rigger trying to beat upwind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chap in the Chapel Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 It depends on the match and the situation, but we are a lot tougher to beat with Hammond in the team. It's what he contributes off the ball that adds to his value - he organises people and covers situations. He'll not hit the champagne passes that Schneiderlin is capable of, but he is the team's voice and leader and that carries real value. Both he and Schneiderlin could play, of course - I don't think that Cork is a certain starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Hammond for me, seems to work better with Cork IMO and he offers more leadership on the pitch. It's a good "problem" to have though, neither are bad players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Agreed. Hammond is worth it for his goals alone. Morgan is a reactive player, watching him is like watching a square-rigger trying to beat upwind. What goals...1 this season isn't any too great,even Morgan has scored more.Hammond doesn't get into to the box anywhere near quickly enough to make him a potent scorer at NPC level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Hammond. We went on our barnstorming run to promotion last year when Schneirderlin wasn't in the side, and started this season superbly when Schneiderlin wasn't in the side. It's no coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 This thread can be linked to this one which I started when Cork signed in the summer. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?31150-Hammond-Schneiderlin-Chaplow-Cork Thoughts haven't really changed on my part. Still think it has to be either Morgan/Cork with either Chaplow/Hammond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmatt Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Deano, whole team plays better when he plays. He's our best player when we're not in possession (always harrying/chasing/closing down) and is VERY underrated on the ball. Always looks to get it down, good vision, and rarely gives it away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Deano, whole team plays better when he plays. He's our best player when we're not in possession (always harrying/chasing/closing down) and is VERY underrated on the ball. Always looks to get it down, good vision, and rarely gives it away. rarely gives it away? do you got to games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 rarely gives it away? do you got to games? probably does,many seem to but not see what actually happens, mind you what with singing and chanting and texting and videoing it's not really surprising that they have no time to analyse what they see.Even Solent keep getting it wrong,attributing tackles and passes to a player who's 30 yds away from the action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Agreed. Hammond is worth it for his goals alone. Morgan is a reactive player, watching him is like watching a square-rigger trying to beat upwind. Morgan and Hammond have 1 each this season, Deano is hardly prolific. Morgan is the future, I suspect Hammond may not be with us when we play in the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Morgan and Hammond have 1 each this season, Deano is hardly prolific. Morgan is the future, I suspect Hammond may not be with us when we play in the PL. Morgan has scored 2 goals this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 What goals...1 this season isn't any too great,even Morgan has scored more.Hammond doesn't get into to the box anywhere near quickly enough to make him a potent scorer at NPC level. At my age you tend to take a longer-term view. Which one would you bet on scoring next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 At my age you tend to take a longer-term view. Which one would you bet on scoring next? Morgan....he's looking far more dangerous than Hammond nowadays,getting into the box,taking shots,even had a headed attempt the other day,plus with Sharp AND Lambert there's going to be a lot of stuff rolling around on the edge of the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Chaplow and Cork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellgirl Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Morgan as has been said is by far the better player with great vision,dean will still have a good career in the lower leagues but as I have said before his brain is too slow for his feet and he is a bit wild like de ridder,they don't think about their actions. I am sure Dean is a lovely lad but he really should not be Captain at this level,he doesn't direct the game ,other than clapping his hands when we go a goal down or trailing a hand behind him. I agree with others that he can't make the grade to a higher level which is not a critisism but an observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 You know what, MODS, can we please have a poll on this as well as the full preferred midfield lineup? Think it is a source of interest and debate given all our newly acquired options.. Poll please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 31 January, 2012 Share Posted 31 January, 2012 Morgan has one outstanding game and 2 poor ones. I'd go for Hammond at the moment, but I think Morgan could mature into one hell of a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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