View From The Top Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 I'm not usually one for hyperbole but this week really does strike me as vital. Lose on Tuesday and again on Saturday and we could be 5pts off 2nd spot. However, win on Tuesday and Saturday and we have a clear gap. Going to be nerve wracking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 It's definitely quite a decisive week in may aspects. Transfer wise, and fixture wise. If we can get 4 points from the next 2 I will be chuffed. Any less and we'll be sliding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 Win on Tues is vital, however a win on Saturday will be a big ask for any side in the league, Brum haven't lost at home all season. 4 points from those two should be the aim, more would be a bonus, anything worse than 3 points from those two would be a disaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 I'm not usually one for hyperbole ... I can't believe this has come from you, of all people! We're barely into February and if the last two-plus months have proven anything it's that even the top teams struggle to put together any kind of streak. Teams from one end of the division to the other slip into and out of form at the drop of a hat. Sure, it's a big week but there will still be a ton of time left at the end of it. And, given who we've been without on and off for the last month, we still have a pretty deep squad at this level - compared to most - despite what's been said. That will become a more important factor with each passing week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 Win on Tues is vital, however a win on Saturday will be a big ask for any side in the league, Brum haven't lost at home all season. 4 points from those two should be the aim, more would be a bonus, anything worse than 3 points from those two would be a disaster So drawing both would be a disaster? Get a grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 Make or break? No. Important? yes. We have let a 7 point lead slip, there will be many more twists and turns as the season nears it's climax. My goodness it would be an almighty shot in the arm for us to have two strong results in the next 6 days though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 So drawing both would be a disaster? Get a grip. How long are you willing to watch the team drop points before being concerned? Our bad run has lasted almost 2 months now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromthedell Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 DONT AGREE coming up from league 1 would expect consolidation maybe 10th so we have over acheived yes i want promotion but get a grip guys look where we have came from between 2005 till 2009 2010 10 points deducted finished 7th won a trophy and a great day @ wembley 2011 promotion 2012 who knows the futures bright its red n white Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 Tehe, I remember almost exactly the same thread cropping up weekly towards the end of last season It's certainly true that 3 or 4 points from the next couple of fixtures would do us a great service, but if it doesn't work out we (as in the club as an entity; staff, players, fans) can only stay positive until it becomes mathematically difficult or impossible to achieve the goal of automatic promotion. There's a lot to be said for digging deep and staying behind the team. It's amazing how quickly years of support through adversity are forgotten, with unrealistic or ruthlessly demanding expectations rising to take their place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 Huge week. 4 points would be excellent, with players coming back i am confident we will get at least one win. The lads have it in them to get 2 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 We definitely need to get our pre-December form back sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzie Saints Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 DONT AGREE coming up from league 1 would expect consolidation maybe 10th so we have over acheived yes i want promotion but get a grip guys look where we have came from between 2005 till 2009 2010 10 points deducted finished 7th won a trophy and a great day @ wembley 2011 promotion 2012 who knows the futures bright its red n white This. Never forget the bad times, and just be grateful for wot we get. IF we do manage promotion eiher auto or thru playoffs, its a bonus not a god given right. Support the team wotever happens and if you really want the PL, sing your hearts out and give positive encouragement from every corner of the ground. NOTHING spurs the players on more than the whole ground being right behind them. Keep the Faith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 I'm not trying to be clever, I just really don't understand a lot of the thinking on here. From watching lots of football seasons, involving saints and not, such comments just don't seem to make any sense. But I also don't think it's just saints fans (or even all of them). Lots of football fans seem to have this logic blindspot. I think you maybe referring to Sky logic. It's how they sell the PL and specifically the big top of the table clashes with the Super Sunday etc. It's so OTT but it draws people in. Also don't forget a win against Cardiff, a promotion contender, would seem to be more satisfying than a win against Forest but they are both three points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 I agree that this is a vital week. I think it will determine if we have a good shout for auto promotion or need to focus ourselves on the playoffs (where, barring any more big injuries, I would be fairly confident even if it is a lottery). I wish we had a clearer picture of the injury situation going into it. I also think we as a club have historically had a problem of rising to the occasion for single matches. Derby at home in the playoff season still smarts when I think about it. I also dont understand why certain posters on here persistently seek to play down the importance of certain matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 How long are you willing to watch the team drop points before being concerned? Our bad run has lasted almost 2 months now. I think everyone is concerned about our form over the past couple of months - but that doesn't mean we should come on here and slate the team until they start winning again. As supporters we need to back them even more now and help them get their confidence back - because that is the only difference as far as I can tell. It is easy to support a team top of the league - it is times like Tuesday that really count and I'm just glad that most of the bed wetters on here don't actually go to games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 Make or break? No. Important? yes. We have let a 7 point lead slip, there will be many more twists and turns as the season nears it's climax. My goodness it would be an almighty shot in the arm for us to have two strong results in the next 6 days though. This, for sure. It's not make or break, no single or pair of games will be until perhaps the last two of the season. But it would be a huge psychological boost to win both. Even 4 points from both would be a decent result as come then end of the season, the points we picked up from our closest league rivals will be more important than those gained from clubs lower in the league, as we'd not only have three points, but they wouldn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 It is easy to support a team top of the league - it is times like Tuesday that really count and I'm just glad that most of the bed wetters on here don't actually go to games. Considering just how bad a time of it Saints fans have had with the simple notion of winning games over the best part of the last quarter of a century (we used to have the worst winning record of the 92 league teams, though the last year might have changed that), I dont find it in the slightest bit surprising that when we have a superb run and then it declines again, there is a certain amount of anxiety hereabouts concerning our form, especially if we stand to risk losing a hard-fought promotion if the bad run continues. Taking on a superior judgemental air and calling people bed-wetters just reveals you to be a sad individual obsessed with p*ssing contests. No-one is slating the team. You sound like Illingsworth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 Still 17 games to after the Brum game so all to play for. We need to hit a good run of form sometime soon but I can't see it happening against the next two teams. A win against Cardiff is important as I can see us getting stuffed at St Andrews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 Derby at home in the playoff season still smarts when I think about it. We were kicked off the park that day, it really is as simple as that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 We're barely into February (checks watch) (re-checks watch) Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 We've got a big run of very important matches coming up - but the end of the transfer window adds to the importance of this week overall. I think we've already done some really good business - but everyone always wants "one more signing". It's clear that we've not been afraid to go for big players - though there's no guarantee that a deal will come off. If it doesn't, then I'll be mildly disappointed - but still happy that we've managed to sign a Japanese international striker and a new CB (albeit on loan). As for the matches - six points from the next two games and we can forget about December January's poor run of form (don't forget how many key players we've been missing - not least Chappers, who was a massive loss in the midfield). Get nothing - and I'll remind myself that six months ago I'd have been very happy with a 10th place finish. Yes, it would be disappointing - but we've come a long way in a short space of time and things could have been so much worse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 Not a vital week, another important one. If we lose both it will be a real let down & another hit to the teams confidence, but doesn't mean its all over. likewise winning both will not mean were promoted, although it may go along way to it. I want to see a returning of the passing game & confidence starting to flow through the team again. I'd hope for 4-pts by 7-pm sat night, but 2 good performances & 2 draws wouldn't be the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 Considering just how bad a time of it Saints fans have had with the simple notion of winning games over the best part of the last quarter of a century (we used to have the worst winning record of the 92 league teams, though the last year might have changed that), I dont find it in the slightest bit surprising that when we have a superb run and then it declines again This sentence and logic are not bedfellows. Form has dipped because few teams could sustain the run that we were on, not because of events that occurred before half of our current team was born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 This week is vital. If we lose both these games or only pick up 1-3 points, then we'll be playing catch up on the sides in the promotion spots, something we've not had to do this season. It becomes a psychological issue and the pressure might start to get to the players. It's all well and good saying theres plenty of games left, but how long until we have to stop saying this once we've lost a few. That said, let's get behind the players. Despite recent defeats, our home record remains phenomenal, and Cardiff and 3 points are there for the taking tomorrow night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 This is the time we need to get behind the team - if the fans can influence team performance then let's do our best over these next two games to do exactly that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 This sentence and logic are not bedfellows. Form has dipped because few teams could sustain the run that we were on, not because of events that occurred before half of our current team was born. I think you missed the point completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 This is the time we need to get behind the team - if the fans can influence team performance then let's do our best over these next two games to do exactly that. This Perhaps the doom and gloom members on here could do the same too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 This Perhaps the doom and gloom members on here could do the same too Do the team take their smart phones on to the pitch and get demotivated by the rantings of Dalek and Alps, then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 (edited) Do the team take their smart phones on to the pitch and get demotivated by the rantings of Dalek and Alps, then ? What a good idea,then when a tactical move is demanded on here they can act straight away instead of taking the coaching staffs orders... Then again it could be put on the big screen so those at the game don`t miss the "quality" postings of support:) Edited 30 January, 2012 by ALWAYS_SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 I think you maybe referring to Sky logic. It's how they sell the PL and specifically the big top of the table clashes with the Super Sunday etc. It's so OTT but it draws people in. Also don't forget a win against Cardiff, a promotion contender, would seem to be more satisfying than a win against Forest but they are both three points. Not quite true. Yes they are both the same three points, but the win against Cardiff would be far more valuable (in real numerical terms) than the same against Forest, because it would also mean that a very close rival was denied three points, whereas it makes no difference to us whether Forest pick up points now or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 I think you missed the point completely. Likewise. Whatever you were trying to convey, it was a ridiculous 'correlation' to bring up. If all teams are doomed to settle back to the same level, or if they have defined characteristics that can't be broken no matter who's on the pitch then why even bother going for promotion?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 If we can get our 'A' team back from injuries then we can expect a run of results similar to the first three months of the season and the points table will take care of itself, no matter what the results are this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 I also dont understand why certain posters on here persistently seek to play down the importance of certain matches. If you have the mental ability to comprehend the subtle distinction, of which I've seen little evidence so far, there's a big difference between "play(ing) down the importance of certain matches" and disagreeing with the notion that they will "make or break" our season. Sure, those matches are very important but our season is certainly not dead if we lose them. Clue: It's the same as the difference between "That's it, playoffs at best" and "That was a bad result." (checks watch) (re-checks watch) Huh? I was talking about when the matches are actually played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 Not quite true. Yes they are both the same three points, but the win against Cardiff would be far more valuable (in real numerical terms) than the same against Forest, because it would also mean that a very close rival was denied three points, whereas it makes no difference to us whether Forest pick up points now or not. I'm happy to be shown the maths to prove the three points against Cardiff are more valuable than any others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 I'm happy to be shown the maths to prove the three points against Cardiff are more valuable than any others. In my simple logic, if we assume Cardiff will be chasing us for promotion, us taking three points from them means it's one less game in which they have gained three points. We might both be expected to beat the likes of Brighton, Doncaster (whoops), Millwall even if we're going for promotion, but to take points off of your closest rival could count for a lot come the end of the season. A draw against them puts us on an even level, we both gained +1. If we beat them, they gained nothing from that game, we gained +3. Like I said, simple logic, but then it has come from a simple brain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 Likewise. Whatever you were trying to convey, it was a ridiculous 'correlation' to bring up. If all teams are doomed to settle back to the same level, or if they have defined characteristics that can't be broken no matter who's on the pitch then why even bother going for promotion?! Nope, you still dont get it, clearly. I was talking about the response of the supporters, not ingrained characterisitcs of the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 If you have the mental ability to comprehend the subtle distinction, of which I've seen little evidence so far, there's a big difference between "play(ing) down the importance of certain matches" and disagreeing with the notion that they will "make or break" our season. I dont think there is. Whenever someone writes "this is a must win game", one or more from a select little band comes on and dismisses the notion. Sorry, turning point games or moments DO exist. I give you Exhibit A - the second half of MK Dons at home last season. At the moment our form is patchy, we've lost the last 2 at home after previously invincible home form, and our squad has been devastated from injuries that we are only just recovering from. If our season is going to recover its giddy heights of November, tomorrow is the best time to start that process.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 I dont think there is. Whenever someone writes "this is a must win game", one or more from a select little band comes on and dismisses the notion. Sorry, turning point games or moments DO exist. I give you Exhibit A - the second half of MK Dons at home last season. At the moment our form is patchy, we've lost the last 2 at home after previously invincible home form, and our squad has been devastated from injuries that we are only just recovering from. If our season is going to recover its giddy heights of November, tomorrow is the best time to start that process.. Indeed, Alps, "tomorrow is the best time to start that process" but it's not the only time to start the process and nor will Saturday be, which is the clear implication of the "make or break" comment. And that was my point. Yes, it's a very big week. And yes, we really need to turn the bad run around - ideally against those two teams. However, we have good squad depth compared to most of the others - even better at the end of today, hopefully. We also have excellent players coming back from injury, not all of whom will be available this week. We will then be able to reunite the line-up - and, more importantly, the shape and the balance - behind the good run. But with greater striking strength. That team is more than capable of going on the same tear in February, March and April as it did in the Autumn. So, it's a big week but by no means a "make or break" week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 In my simple logic, if we assume Cardiff will be chasing us for promotion, us taking three points from them means it's one less game in which they have gained three points. We might both be expected to beat the likes of Brighton, Doncaster (whoops), Millwall even if we're going for promotion, but to take points off of your closest rival could count for a lot come the end of the season. A draw against them puts us on an even level, we both gained +1. If we beat them, they gained nothing from that game, we gained +3. Like I said, simple logic, but then it has come from a simple brain So we're bug gered having lost to them already, although currently we have more points? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 DONT AGREE coming up from league 1 would expect consolidation maybe 10th so we have over acheived yes i want promotion but get a grip guys look where we have came from between 2005 till 2009 2010 10 points deducted finished 7th won a trophy and a great day @ wembley 2011 promotion 2012 who knows the futures bright its red n white I agree we have had a great start & we are mile ahead of schedule I for 1 would be happy for top 10 & pushing for a play off spot but given great start we have a good chance of back to back promotion it would be a shame to blow it. This week is a massive week not just coz it is cardiff & Brum we just need to get back to something like our best in the league particularly at home fingers crossed we get the win on Tuesady that would be the lift we need to regain our confidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 So we're bug gered having lost to them already, although currently we have more points? ;-) Oh dear, you're really not very bright are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
influx Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 How long are you willing to watch the team drop points before being concerned? Our bad run has lasted almost 2 months now. Or you could say our good run has lasted 18 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 Oh dear, you're really not very bright are you? Is that in real numerical terms as opposed to non real ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 Well not a bad start to the week... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 Hmmm. Still think, we will be 17th or thereabouts. Next season will the big one if we can hold on to our decent players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 Hmmm. Still think, we will be 17th or thereabouts. Next season will the big one if we can hold on to our decent players. Do you feel your youth was unfulfilled in respect of attention? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 Hmmm. Still think, we will be 17th or thereabouts. Next season will the big one if we can hold on to our decent players. Please stop these dull posts. They are right up there with 'has Skacel signed?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 Regardless of the result on Tuesday I think this is a defining week in terms of showing not only our intent, but our ability to attract talent to the Saints project. Sharp could have moved closer to home and for more money, under a good manager yet chose to join us. Four points from next two games and I think the boat is back on the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 Please stop these dull posts. They are right up there with 'has Skacel signed?' SC, you're a mod so I'll ask you this: I have Dalek on Ignore (the only one 'cos I don't really believe in it) but, really, what is he even doing on here? The guy has no interest in a sensible discussion and spends all his time trying to wind normal people up and bait them into responses. If that's not enough to get booted we might as well all pack up and go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 Hmmm. Still think, we will be 17th or thereabouts. Next season will the big one if we can hold on to our decent players. Dalek, you and I agreed about the summer and early January transfer activity, but now NA and NC are getting their sh*t together, as many advised us they would. Even I dont get your persistence. I cannot imagine how with that squad we could or would conspire to end up 17th........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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