simo Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 Considering where he has come from I would have no problem playing him in the premier league next season if he keeps improving how he has been ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 If you want an answer, look at how he sold himself for the second goal v Leicester. A centre back was allowed to get a cross in from the byeline because he turned his back on a feint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockland Dave Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 I think we are talking about potential. I think he could be our best centre back. I can remember West Ham came in for him for him last year, and we are starting to see why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 In terms of potential, well someone commented on Mike Williamson being a premier league player now, Martin can certainly match that. He has had to grow quickly since moving to us from Eastleigh and he's getting better all the time, he's deserved a run in the team but I still would prefer Fonte and Hooiveld alongside each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 He was fantastic yesterday. Won everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 He was brilliant yesterday, dominant in the air and with good positional sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 He is one for the future for sure, he has the potential to be a regular and dependable Premier League CB. But he's not there yet, I'm sure he knows that too. He is getting better all the time, as yesterdays performance seems to show, he is a solid backup CB in this league. With time, patience and more games he will get better and better. A lot of his mistakes, such as the one derry refers to above, come down to playing experience at our current level. He's up against some very good, experience players who really test him - heck, they test Jos and Fonte enough - but he is holding his own. He does the basics right, the rest will follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 He's good in the air. Yesterday was a good all round performance and the best I've seen him play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 Decent defender, needs to improve on the ball to be a first choice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chip Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 improving with game experience..provided we have the cover would benefit from a season long long. Would come back much better player though not sure if would ever be premier league standard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 Was superb yesterday, needs to improve with ball at his feet, but has come on leaps and bounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_lambden Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 He's someone who improves on games. Miles off being Premier League ready, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colbury Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 If you want an answer, look at how he sold himself for the second goal v Leicester. A centre back was allowed to get a cross in from the byeline because he turned his back on a feint. Agree. I mean, a rookie defender making a mistake whatever next. If Lambert misses a 1 on 1 on tuesday night does that mean hes not good enough for the PL too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 He'll be a class act in a few years. Currently he's just a good defender but once he gets the rest of his game sorted he will be a top player. Brilliant yesterday, especially as he was alongside a LB who he'd never played with in that position before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 Agree. I mean, a rookie defender making a mistake whatever next. If Lambert misses a 1 on 1 on tuesday night does that mean hes not good enough for the PL too? He is pretty poor in terms of where we are. His distribution is abysmal, his control on the ball is poor, he is a decent marker, a good header of the ball and he has a weak left foot. Last week against Leicester he was woeful. He is young and has a long way to go if he is to be what some people on here are suggesting. He was fifth choice at the start of the season and is no better than a fourth choice now playing due multiple injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colbury Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 He is pretty poor in terms of where we are. His distribution is abysmal, his control on the ball is poor, he is a decent marker, a good header of the ball and he has a weak left foot. Last week against Leicester he was woeful. He is young and has a long way to go if he is to be what some people on here are suggesting. He was fifth choice at the start of the season and is no better than a fourth choice now playing due multiple injuries. I wasnt arguing it either way - but basing your answer on a single error was ridiculous. I personally thinks he needs a few years in lower league before we can tell - whether or not he'll get that here who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 Good player, with the potential to be outstanding. IF we go up, a years loan to a championship/L1 side, where he is guaranteed to play every game, would do a lot for his development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gammon cheeks Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 I think we are talking about potential. I think he could be our best centre back. I can remember West Ham came in for him for him last year, and we are starting to see why The only reason west ham were interested was because wally downes was on their staff and recommended him to avrim grant . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 (edited) I wasnt arguing it either way - but basing your answer on a single error was ridiculous. I personally thinks he needs a few years in lower league before we can tell - whether or not he'll get that here who knows. The cameo that led to the goal showed where he is as far as his ability is concerned. He turned his back and was skinned by St Ledger FFS. That was the sort of defending that forwards who can't defend regularly show but a centre back, definitely not, he had to stand up and not turn his back and sell himself. In fact he should have been showing him the line rather than buying the dummy. This thread does him no favours. He was slaughtered on the after match thread. All season the forum has been moaning about the need for another experienced centre back. The jury is stll out and you quite rightly point out that he needs regular football. We need two more experienced centre backs and Martin needs a season or two in the Championship if we get promotion. Centre backs rarely mature in their early twenties so he has plenty of time. He needs game time and good guidance, improve his control, passing, especially his left foot and to play in a team that passes the ball. Edited 29 January, 2012 by derry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 WHU wanted him and WHU know about raw talent!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 I think he could be a great player but also think he probably doesn't fit into Nigel's defensive plans; he'll need to be called Danny and be left footed for that to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 Well their owners do. They don't cook them until they have finished with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 I think at the moment hes playing like a top league one CB and vs decent teams in this league hes looked dogey, but for someone to go from VCS to league one/ poor championship standard in 2 season, is brill and hes only 23 so if he keeps up his progress and gets playing time he will be by the end of the season a championship CB, but should we go up i think he needs to be loaned to a poor championship team to get his experience and the feel of being under pressure all game to develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 If you want an answer, look at how he sold himself for the second goal v Leicester. A centre back was allowed to get a cross in from the byeline because he turned his back on a feint. Just one incident, yesterday he was class for 90 minutes, faultless. He has a lot of potential there's no denying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 He is the real deal from what I have seen. He needs to bulk out a bit, but he is strong, decent, if not outstanding, on the ball, good in the air and athletic. He got done for the Leicester goal, but it wasn't just his fault. IMO, from what I've seen he would get into most NPC teams we've played. He is still a young lad with barely a dozen league games under his belt, but personally I honestly believe he has what it takes to go all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 Still young, still learning his trade and will get better. My personal opinion though, is that he will always just be a little short of top class and will remain more of a back-up player for us (especially after promotion) than a 1st teamer. I hope he proves me wrong though, would be nice to see a locally raised lad gracing the Premier League again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 Just remember, being the fickle bunch we are, he is ex non league and still young. He will have a crap performance or two again but was fantastic yesterday. Ive never been convinced by him when in possession or recieving a pass under pressure but that could be down to confidence and match time. One to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 Considering where he has come from I would have no problem playing him in the premier league next season if he keeps improving how he has been ! prior to his current run, he'd only played about 20-odd games since he arrived. Now he's had 5 games on the trot, and there is a decided improvement. Of course he has a lot to learn still, but I don't think he's been a bad bet at all. He's likley to be on the team sheet for a while yet, and with Jaidi on the bench, and Fonte on the mend, we'll have some back-up as it may be some weeks before Jos is back on fit again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 Just one incident, yesterday he was class for 90 minutes, faultless. He has a lot of potential there's no denying it. It wasn't, it was just an example of inept defending that he has to learn not to do. As I said he was positionally woeful, his distribution was poor, strong in the air but headed as far as he could back to the opposition, he has little control over his left foot. He is strong and could develop but he has a mile to go. He might have had a decent game yesterday which after Tuesday's debacle shows a welcome strength of character. At the moment we don't have time for potential in the promotion battle, we need high level competence such as Fonte and Hoiveldt plus a couple more of the same. Martin is work in progress and is no more than a stopgap and cover on the bench pressed into service due to a lack of experienced cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 It wasn't, it was just an example of inept defending that he has to learn not to do. As I said he was positionally woeful, his distribution was poor, strong in the air but headed as far as he could back to the opposition, he has little control over his left foot. He is strong and could develop but he has a mile to go. He might have had a decent game yesterday which after Tuesday's debacle shows a welcome strength of character. At the moment we don't have time for potential in the promotion battle, we need high level competence such as Fonte and Hoiveldt plus a couple more of the same. Martin is work in progress and is no more than a stopgap and cover on the bench pressed into service due to a lack of experienced cover. You are doing the boy down. He is better than that. Even against Leicester he did okay. One lapse was costly, but everyone in that team had at least one. I agree I wouldn't swap him for our first choice pairing, but you'd struggle to replace him for less than a decent fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 We had a thread about him a while back, I think it was when he was put in up against Kevin Davies in the CC match. I believe I said then that there was something about him that made me think he could go all the way and become an England intertnational. Nothing I've seen of his progression since has made me question that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 Any idea if this is real? @lampitt_david Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 I would have him over a fully-fit Seaborne in the current pecking order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 29 January, 2012 Share Posted 29 January, 2012 I would have him over a fully-fit Seaborne in the current pecking order. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 I would have him over a fully-fit Seaborne in the current pecking order. Every single day of the week. Martin has come on leaps and bounds this season, will be a solid Prem centre-back in 3 or 4 years time. Definitely one to keep around. In fact I was drawing up a mental list during the Millwall game comparing him and Fonte. Experience - Fonte Aerial - Martin Pace - Fonte Potential - Martin With the ball - Fonte Positioning - Fonte Communication - Martin/Fonte Quite evenly matched, but Fonte is the better all-round defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 I would have him over a fully-fit Seaborne in the current pecking order. Why Seabourne is left footed and much better on the ball but I will see if Martin has improved since the Bristol City game when his distribution was poor tomorrow evening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 30 January, 2012 Share Posted 30 January, 2012 I don't think you can even consider Seaborne at the moment or if he'll ever be good enough again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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