Pilchards Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/football-hotline/2012/01/29/saints-on-red-alert-after-celtic-striker-contract-talks-collapse-102039-23724509/ Plus they confirm the Collins loan deal is moving along nicely.
Capel Saint Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 Would be surprised to see Hooper arriving at St Mary's in this transfer window considering Celtic need him for their current campaign. A summer move would be more likely. Collins looks a dead cert to sign on a loan deal which makes sense. We need an experienced centre half to slot in alongside Martin and can give cover at the centre back role for future injuries and suspensions over the remainder of the season. Sharp or Maynard are more likely scenarios, depending on wether player, his agent and Cortese agree on the wages. At least we will know by 11pm, Tuesday.
K,Billy's supersound Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 i been told club still pushing for hooper deal to be done. it will happen but only if celtic agree to sell. ball in their court.
Matthew Le God Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 i been told club still pushing for hooper deal to be done. it will happen but only if celtic agree to sell. ball in their court. Told by...?
St Jim Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 Ofcourse The People is that well respected media outlet so it must be true.........can someone please confirm this rumour by asking the bloke down the pub?
Scudamore Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 If only we already had a thread for discussing Gary Hooper...
MOSaint Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 This was written by Alan Nixon, the journalist who says we are still in for Billy Sharp, he's been hyping this piece up on his twitter thing since Friday, although he wrote on his twitter earlier this evening that the chances of Hooper deal coming off were slim, he seems to believe that whether Hooper doesn't come (my guess) we will still have a new striker before the window shuts, who is "recognised."
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 Anyone else see the stuff there about signing Collins from Stoke? Southampton are set to sign STOKE CITY’s Welsh international centre-half Danny Collins, 31, on loan for their promotion bid. Collins – back from a spell at IPSWICH – had a medical yesterday before signing and the move could turn into a permanent one.
Gemmel Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 There are lawyers working as i type..... no idea who the player is, but apparently a "complicated" contract.
Gordon Mockles Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/football-hotline/2012/01/29/saints-on-red-alert-after-celtic-striker-contract-talks-collapse-102039-23724509/ Plus they confirm the Collins loan deal is moving along nicely. Interesting & welcome news about the centre half if accurate. However, I still doubt the authenticity of the Hooper acquisition. I truly hope my distrust is misplaced. Everything points to the Hooper fiasco as being a fan appeasing exercise; cleverly strung out until Tues night (window shuts) as a smoke screen to cover the club's unwillingness to spend while making it seem as though we are. Same as last window. Puncheon move & total lack of early, decisive action & spending re-enforces that belief. Of course, many will deem that prudent business & intimations of the like but my instincts suggest otherwise.
Gordon Mockles Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 If the Billy Sharp bid came off instead, I would happily been proven wrong. In fact, please prove me wrong. I am so keen for us to sign an established goal getter to play off Lambert (as well as Lee). We've needed it long enough. I like Barnard but more pace is desperately required.
MOSaint Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 Alan Nixon who wrote this piece also believes that if the player (he was referring to Hooper but he sent this out in the afternoon before his story was published) at the top of our list doesn't sign then our other choices (Sharp etc) could be signed when the loan window reopens. As the season ends at the end of April a 3 month loan would last the season, although if we end up in the play offs surely we wouldn't be able to play them. This may all be paper nonsense btw, however it's something to talk about.
Minty Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 Everything points to the Hooper fiasco as being a fan appeasing exercise Care to elaborate on what 'everything' is? I've only seen fan conspiracy so far and a need to find an explanation/blame for the fact we haven't signed anyone 'major' yet, because people can't handle the fact that sometimes, despite a clubs best efforts, signings sometimes aren't completed for reasons beyond our control.
Alain Perrin Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 I have wondered if we a bidding to appease the fans but I don't think the facts fit. We'd not have known about Hooper if Celtic hadn't said, it's a different scenario to talking in the press about players without action. I do think cortese drives a hard bargain ( too hard? ) on price and salary.
Faz Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 Fact is we are a cash buyer, in a buyers market. We don't need to pay over the odds, and shouldn't squander our riches to appease the ill-informed idiots who would prefer us to go down the Pompey route. Then there are the idiots who, despite the clear evidence we did not put this in the public domain, believe this is some sort of confidence trick by Cortese to fool the fans. Some people don't deserve this club.
Gingeletiss Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 Fact is we are a cash buyer, in a buyers market. We don't need to pay over the odds, and shouldn't squander our riches to appease the ill-informed idiots who would prefer us to go down the Pompey route. Then there are the idiots who, despite the clear evidence we did not put this in the public domain, believe this is some sort of confidence trick by Cortese to fool the fans. Some people don't deserve this club. This ^
Delboy Dave Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 Fact is we are a cash buyer, in a buyers market. We don't need to pay over the odds, and shouldn't squander our riches to appease the ill-informed idiots who would prefer us to go down the Pompey route. Then there are the idiots who, despite the clear evidence we did not put this in the public domain, believe this is some sort of confidence trick by Cortese to fool the fans. Some people don't deserve this club. What he said
jamesfp1 Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 We don't make bids just to please fans ffs this is well run business. Some people on here are mental.
Raging Bull Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 Well according to the mighty twitter Hooper will be having a medical tomorrow.
Saint-Armstrong Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 There are lawyers working as i type..... no idea who the player is, but apparently a "complicated" contract. Did others miss this? What do you know Gemmel or are you teasing?
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 There are lawyers working as i type..... no idea who the player is, but apparently a "complicated" contract. Is this something you've read, something you know or something you've made up?!
View From The Top Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 Fact is we are a cash buyer, in a buyers market. We don't need to pay over the odds, and shouldn't squander our riches to appease the ill-informed idiots who would prefer us to go down the Pompey route. Then there are the idiots who, despite the clear evidence we did not put this in the public domain, believe this is some sort of confidence trick by Cortese to fool the fans. Some people don't deserve this club. Spot. On.
saint lard Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 Tonight or early tomorrow could give us all a surprise....and might,just might,give me a little faith that Adkins can draw a reputable signing and take us forward. We will see.
S-Clarke Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 At the mo the similarities between this potential deal, and the potential deal for Jay Rod in the summer are striking. (pardon the pun) Let's hope our final day swoop for Hooper comes off.
S-Clarke Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 (edited) Ok, well I think this is potential a big development: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/01/29/celtic-snap-up-polish-strike-ace-pawel-brozek-from-under-the-noses-of-rivals-rangers-86908-23725157/ Rumours suggest he will cost upwards of £2m, now they don't have that sort of money lying around unless they sell. It has been said many a time that deals don't happen until the selling club have got their replacement in. If it's true that Hooper was stopped contract talks then they may want to get the cash when they can, as his price will only drop from now on in if he cannot extend his deal. I didn't want to be taken in by this all again, but something seems to be happening at both sides. Edited 29 January, 2012 by S-Clarke
Chin Strain Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 Fact is we are a cash buyer, in a buyers market. We don't need to pay over the odds, and shouldn't squander our riches to appease the ill-informed idiots who would prefer us to go down the Pompey route. Then there are the idiots who, despite the clear evidence we did not put this in the public domain, believe this is some sort of confidence trick by Cortese to fool the fans. Some people don't deserve this club. Yup.
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 Ok, well I think this is potential a big development: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/01/29/celtic-snap-up-polish-strike-ace-pawel-brozek-from-under-the-noses-of-rivals-rangers-86908-23725157/ Rumours suggest he will cost upwards of £2m, now they don't have that sort of money lying around unless they sell. It has been said many a time that deals don't happen until the selling club have got their replacement in. If it's true that Hooper was stopped contract talks then they may want to get the cash when they can, as his price will only drop from now on in if he cannot extend his deal. I didn't want to be taken in by this all again, but something seems to be happening at both sides. That deal is only a loan at the moment though.
Dalek2003 Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 Interesting & welcome news about the centre half if accurate. However, I still doubt the authenticity of the Hooper acquisition. I truly hope my distrust is misplaced. Everything points to the Hooper fiasco as being a fan appeasing exercise; cleverly strung out until Tues night (window shuts) as a smoke screen to cover the club's unwillingness to spend while making it seem as though we are. Same as last window. Puncheon move & total lack of early, decisive action & spending re-enforces that belief. Of course, many will deem that prudent business & intimations of the like but my instincts suggest otherwise. I said this a few weeks ago. Probably as a theory, it won't be accepted by most people but it is worth a though and FWIW I agree with you.
Saint_Ash Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 That deal is only a loan at the moment though. Which tells me even more that they're bringing him in for cover for someone who might be off...
ibizasaint Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 Fact is we are a cash buyer, in a buyers market. We don't need to pay over the odds, and shouldn't squander our riches to appease the ill-informed idiots who would prefer us to go down the Pompey route. Then there are the idiots who, despite the clear evidence we did not put this in the public domain, believe this is some sort of confidence trick by Cortese to fool the fans. Some people don't deserve this club. exactly
FloridaMarlin Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 Be interesting to know who Hooper's agent is. It wouldn't be that much of a surprise to learn it's Paul Stretford's group. A lot of newspapers don't use Alan Nixon, a northern-based journalist who was discovered to have shares in Stretford's company and used the papers to spark speculation and drum up a bit of business.
thorpie the sinner Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 Be interesting to know who Hooper's agent is. It wouldn't be that much of a surprise to learn it's Paul Stretford's group. A lot of newspapers don't use Alan Nixon, a northern-based journalist who was discovered to have shares in Stretford's company and used the papers to spark speculation and drum up a bit of business. Ohne berater
Window Cleaner Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 Ohne berater Must be good, has persuaded a lot of clubs to pay a lot of money for mediocre players..viz De Gea and Gignac
scotty Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 Be interesting to know who Hooper's agent is. It wouldn't be that much of a surprise to learn it's Paul Stretford's group. A lot of newspapers don't use Alan Nixon, a northern-based journalist who was discovered to have shares in Stretford's company and used the papers to spark speculation and drum up a bit of business. Apparently its Ohne Berater, who also represents rory delap and david gea. http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/-ohne-berater/details/berater_96.html
Saint_John Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 Be interesting to know who Hooper's agent is. It wouldn't be that much of a surprise to learn it's Paul Stretford's group. A lot of newspapers don't use Alan Nixon, a northern-based journalist who was discovered to have shares in Stretford's company and used the papers to spark speculation and drum up a bit of business. I think this is his agent http://www.sjdentmgt.com/Gary-Hooper/Our-Clients/ Simon Dent, a London based Solicitor.
dronskisaint Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 Fact is we are a cash buyer, in a buyers market. We don't need to pay over the odds, and shouldn't squander our riches to appease the ill-informed idiots who would prefer us to go down the Pompey route. Then there are the idiots who, despite the clear evidence we did not put this in the public domain, believe this is some sort of confidence trick by Cortese to fool the fans. Some people don't deserve this club. Totally logical
Mr X Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 No offence to collins but surely signing a 31 yr old centre half isnt going to give us the legs in defence we need ?
Badger Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 Ofcourse The People is that well respected media outlet so it must be true.........can someone please confirm this rumour by asking the bloke down the pub? Yes its a rag, but in their defence I browsed at an edition of the People in our local supermarket in 2001 to see a most unlikely suggestion on the transfer rumours page that Gordon Strachan was to take over at Saints. Well thats a load of ******** I thought. Same evening, Gray was announced sacked, and fifteen minutes later teletext said WGS was at the helm. On the topic of Alan Nixon though, didn't we have some issues with him on his reporting about Saints some years ago ? Possibly in the WGS to Leeds fortnight .
Gordon Mockles Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 (edited) Care to elaborate on what 'everything' is? I've only seen fan conspiracy so far and a need to find an explanation/blame for the fact we haven't signed anyone 'major' yet, because people can't handle the fact that sometimes, despite a clubs best efforts, signings sometimes aren't completed for reasons beyond our control. Do you really believe it is in their efforts? The fact that Adkins initially alluded to us being active in the transfer market, the movement for an established/bigger name signing & the comments on the Hooper interest. Unusual antics since the club usually remain tight lipped so why suddenly intimate we're interested when it's highly unlikely Celtic will sell for a sensible price. Is that the club's best efforts? Bidding for an established striker at Celtic who is key to their title run in. I'm happy at our ambition if I believed the transfer had legs or a possibility. I sadly, however, do not. Puncheon was not wanted & Adkins clearly had ideas of players he wanted to bring in. In fact, he touted Puncheon as being up for sale... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16550877.stm Then Adkins went full u-turn this wk about further signings, contrary to his statements around Xmas. Also, the Puncheon fiasco ended this week despite Twitter comments criticising Cortese. I don't think anyone would have got away with that previously unless something behind the scenes made it in Cortese's best interests to repent & for the club to recall Jason to the first team. Further evidence no further transfers seem likely, particularly judging by Puncheon's return. Adkins also spoke about players coming back from injury & totally played down his initial comments. Smacks of funds not available & things may have changed despite the Oxo money. Or, Cortese is continuing his alleged transfer policy of a derisory offer, a follow up & then zero negotiating. Take it or leave it attitude. Not surprisingly, many of the clubs "leave it". I can't substantiate this other than disgruntled manager's comments in the press. I remember Barry Fry of Peterborough confirming our interest in CMS & the recent comments from Neil Lennon. You're not going to get the club admitting they've deceived the fans but the new regime have not been overly keen on keeping the fans informed so it strikes me as suspicious when this tight lipped policy is suddenly lifted. Less trusting people could label it manipulation. Making bids you're never likely to win to win fan favour or at least appease the fans into thinking we're active but regardless of rumour, actions speak louder than words. So far we've brought in a kid on loan who has had very few first team starts at previous clubs & Lee (who was a freebie) from Japan who I'm excited about but is a risk & isn't the established striker Adkins intimated. I'm not being negative for the sake of it. I'm just not so blindly faithful as you. I'd like to see us make a shrewd bid for a key player that we actually win. We've been linked with way too many players yet failed to sign a significant number in relation to requirements & whilst some may be rumour, I don't believe all of those are. Which brings up the question, why is a club in our position in the league, facilities, academy & backing failing to attract the quality we require for the next phase? To me there is 1 over-riding factor & that is money. Billy Sharp may have wanted to stay up North & Jay Rod loyal to his club but there must be a more systematic failure for us to repeatedly miss out on improving the quality of our squad. We did so in the summer & it looks that way now. That is, if the intention is for promotion this season. If it isn't, I stand corrected but I'm fairly sure Nigel & Nicola mentioned winning the Championship. If they're to do that, they certainly need improving the quality in key areas & if promotion is on the cards, we'll need significant change in the squad because if they think the current squad could compete in the PL, they are sadly mistaken. Edited 29 January, 2012 by Gordon Mockles
david in sweden Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 I wrote about this before ...When JP was still "persona non grata " a few weeks back, NA said we couldn't play JP and then loan him /sell him to a THIRD club in the same season. According to Wikipedia , Danny Collins has already played ONE European game this season with his own club STOKE... and another when on loan to IPSWICH quite recently. If we become his THIRD club this season ..can we sign and legally play him?... and if so might we be fined if we field an ineligible player...?? What are the rules..anyone ?
S-Clarke Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 I wrote about this before ...When JP was still "persona non grata " a few weeks back, NA said we couldn't play JP and then loan him /sell him to a THIRD club in the same season. According to Wikipedia , Danny Collins las already played ONE European game with his own club STOKE, and another when on loan to IPSWICH quite recently. If we become his THIRD club this season ..can we sign and legally play him?... and if so might we be fined if we field an ineligible player...?? I'm sure our admin staff, Stokes admin staff, and NA are all ware of any issues that may crop up. They wouldn't have missed such a blatant problem, which is why there won't be a problem.
david in sweden Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 No offence to collins but surely signing a 31 yr old centre half isnt going to give us the legs in defence we need ? we've had such players several times in the past. Pace isn't so important as having a good " football brain" - and knowing how to use it. Sounds Ok to me
MarkSFC Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 I wrote about this before ...When JP was still "persona non grata " a few weeks back, NA said we couldn't play JP and then loan him /sell him to a THIRD club in the same season. According to Wikipedia , Danny Collins has already played ONE European game this season with his own club STOKE... and another when on loan to IPSWICH quite recently. If we become his THIRD club this season ..can we sign and legally play him?... and if so might we be fined if we field an ineligible player...?? What are the rules..anyone ? maybe the EUROPEAN appearance doesnt count domestically.
Dr Who? Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 Not going to happen. The reason is that it would reflect badly on the ambition of Celtic. What sort of message would it send out to the fans?
david in sweden Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 anyway, back to Hooper. Unless this is an old story that The People just woken up to ..? We can see what team Celtic will field today ? It's a SF in the Scottish League Cup...IF.. Celtic aren't even considering a late offer, they won't play Hooper and risk an injury to him...so we can wait and see.....
Dr Who? Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 No offence to collins but surely signing a 31 yr old centre half isnt going to give us the legs in defence we need ? It is all to do with experience and reading the game for older centre back, not pace!
Dr Who? Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 anyway, back to Hooper. Unless this is an old story that The People just woken up to ..? We can see what team Celtic will field today ? It's a SF in the Scottish League Cup...IF.. Celtic aren't even considering a late offer, they won't play Hooper and risk an injury to him...so we can wait and see..... He will play and stay, not a hope of us signing him, as Celtic are not selling!
david in sweden Posted 29 January, 2012 Posted 29 January, 2012 maybe the EUROPEAN appearance doesnt count domestically. MAYBE ? ..but it would be nice to know for certain - don't you think?. Where are all those " barrack-room lawyers " when you need one .? Nice... if it's OK, otherwise you stand the chance of signing a player you can't legally play this season, or playing him... in ignorance... and getting a points penalty !!!!!
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