Liquidshokk Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 I knew it all along...Alpine Saint is really Cortese on a wind up. But, seriously (briefly).....he logs on here then I take it...? Uh-huh. (Ssshhhh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 Uh-huh. (Ssshhhh) Mum's the word.... ;-) What does he think of the "online community" in general? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 Cortese promised Saints will NEVER get relegated while he is in charge and has never discussed selling the club with owners. The plan is to only plan further down the line when in prem. Didnt take it to mean they would sell after season in prem though after he was pushed on that comment. Real focus on development of academy players to get them into first team Cheers sir....that's really great feedback. Thanks for being brave enough to put your head above the SWF parapet! To me it confirms that he/they would rather get to the Premier League via organic growth from within than simply throw cash willy-nilly for short term gain. Of course, this approach requires patience from the fan base but, as we know, that's often a rare commodity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 Mum's the word.... ;-) What does he think of the "online community" in general? He was asked about twitter and said if that's the way players express there feelings these days then so be it. Don't think we'll be seeing him on there anytime soon though Think a certain persons recent rants brought about the reinstatement of their position somewhat... Twitter does have its uses it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 I knew it all along...Alpine Saint is really Cortese on a wind up. But, seriously (briefly).....he logs on here then I take it...? I do, and some of you have had your cards well and truly marked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 I do, and some of you have had your cards well and truly marked! Not sure he'd take that username No comment on Le Tiss situation by the way. He won't comment on someone he doesnt know or even ever met. Good attitude, in my eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwiz Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 This is exactly what will happen when all 90% of the people that use this forum would probably like to know is a few more details from the chap that had the audacity to attend the evening and have a good time. Instead we'll have to trawl through the avalanche of ill-founded vitriol and speculation in order to locate the minutiae of posts that are actually of some interest. I will probably then continue my day in a sense of bewilderment and dismay that the majority of fans on this forum seem unable to just accept certain things as unknown, and debate points of interest in a rational manner. In fact, I know that it's not the majority of fans, but because certain posters comment so much you are left with that impression. nice1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 nice1 What do you think of Ken Smith as manager Wizza? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 The trip was brilliant...such a life changer! Would strongly recommend taken up the oppertuinity if offered! As for signings we were giving a maybe, Nicola then went to say he was expecting a phone call to do with transfers...so you never know, but a lot of bids have been accepted this January (big bids) but wage has come into it and Nicola refuses to budge for no player! Lallana is also fit again, and Jason could start Saturday! Good to read..both bits, thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 Thanks to guys with the feedback. Reinforces thoughts on where our club is going. Very reassuring and long may Cortese reign as our successful chairman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 Haha, made me chuckle Yeah I did attend and it was a truly brilliant night. As mentioned above though i'm sure no one really feels like rushing on here to post what was said as it will get torn apart and a negative slant put on any news (yeah I know that's rich... ) All I would say is Cortese comes across really well and I have no doubts he's the best person to be in charge.. And my SWF chums, he's often closer than you think In which case, Please Mr Cortese would you like to invite me to dinner when I am over in a couple of months? Just send me a PM on here and I'll get back to you with some free dates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 In which case, Please Mr Cortese would you like to invite me to dinner when I am over in a couple of months? Just send me a PM on here and I'll get back to you with some free dates Don't be stupid, you know the system the club works to; season ticket holders first, then season ticket holders plus ones, then their neighbours, then their work friends with a passing interest in football, then after that normal punters can apply through a ballot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 Thanks to guys with the feedback. Reinforces thoughts on where our club is going. Very reassuring and long may Cortese reign as our successful chairman! It reinforces nothing. It's just words. It's about time Cortese started backing the manager and signing some players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 It reinforces nothing. It's just words. It's about time Cortese started backing the manager and signing some players. Why don't you just sod off to the TUI? They all seem to have the same midset as yourself over there. You have some agenda against Cortese and have had from day 1. I wasn't happy with him a year or so ago and said as much, but I'm happy to change my opinion because he's learnt from his mistakes quite clearly and is doing things that are positive for this football club. People that critise him now are just looking for attention IMO, simply because before him we had Wilde, Crouch, Lowe....and can you honestly say we'd be better off with any of those 3? Exactly. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 It reinforces nothing. It's just words. It's about time Cortese started backing the manager and signing some players. He's signed one or two since he took the helm, to be fair. Not many, I'll grant you, but a couple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 It reinforces nothing. It's just words. It's about time Cortese started backing the manager and signing some players. Oh be quiet you waste of cyberspace. Did cortese run over your cat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 Why don't you just sod off to the TUI? They all seem to have the same midset as yourself over there. You have some agenda against Cortese and have had from day 1. I wasn't happy with him a year or so ago and said as much, but I'm happy to change my opinion because he's learnt from his mistakes quite clearly and is doing things that are positive for this football club. People that critise him now are just looking for attention IMO, simply because before him we had Wilde, Crouch, Lowe....and can you honestly say we'd be better off with any of those 3? Exactly. End of story. Our bubble burst a couple of months ago and it should have been a priority to address that early in the transfer window. we have lost the momentum now and instead of a proactive strategy we are now in the position of having to turn around a rot that has set in. That isn't good management however you try to dress it up. The season is slipping away. I just don't get why some of you lot don't see what is happening in front of your eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 He's signed one or two since he took the helm, to be fair. Not many, I'll grant you, but a couple. Yes, but we haven't pushed on from the days of Marcus Liebherr. This isn't really about Cortese because Cortese is nothing. He's just a front for the Liebherr family and I get the distinct impression that they are not as enthusiastic as their father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 I for one am pleased he's not giving in to wage demands that don't fit our budget. That, my friends, is the road to ruin. Obviously our wage budget will increase once in the Prem.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 Yes, but we haven't pushed on from the days of Marcus Liebherr. Have you not seen the league table? Saints are currently 22nd in England, having been 68th when Liebherr bought the club and 64th on the day he died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 Have you not seen the league table? Saints are currently 22nd in England, having been 68th when Liebherr bought the club and 64th on the day he died. I wouldn't bother wasting your time with facts with him. He doesn't seem to deal in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 Yes, but we haven't pushed on from the days of Marcus Liebherr. This isn't really about Cortese because Cortese is nothing. He's just a front for the Liebherr family and I get the distinct impression that they are not as enthusiastic as their father. Well they probably arent, but theres not much that can done about that is there? Whats the alternative? Force them at gunpoint to stump up whatever is needed for whichever players we happen to want? Or think we want? I really dont see what point you're trying to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 Our bubble burst a couple of months ago and it should have been a priority to address that early in the transfer window. we have lost the momentum now and instead of a proactive strategy we are now in the position of having to turn around a rot that has set in. That isn't good management however you try to dress it up. The season is slipping away. I just don't get why some of you lot don't see what is happening in front of your eyes. I think we're having a bit of a rot at the moment, no one can deny that - but we wer enever going to go through the season like we started. It wasn't possible. Every team will have a blip, some longer than others, but at the end of the day our quality with the likes of Lallana, Lambert, Fonte and Chaplow in the side is unquestionable - and a first team with those 4 players in it will win more than they lose at this level. I'd have liked to see another striker, and to be honest we still have time, but I don't think thsi window has been a total disaster really. At the end of the day if we cannot afford what players want, or what clubs want, what can NC do about it? It's not his money at the end of the day and he's only managing it 'on behalf' of someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 Have you not seen the league table? Saints are currently 22nd in England, having been 68th when Liebherr bought the club and 64th on the day he died. Hang on a minute. We were flying but now we are not. Compared to early on in the season we are in decline. FACT. This January window was a window of opportunity. An opportunity to halt the decline, but instead of that we've allowed the decline to manifest and turn into a rot. The pack is now closing in and the way we are going we'll be lucky to finnish top 6. To allow that to happen is not the sign of ambition, it's the sign of a club retreating from the vision of marcus Liebherr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 I'm starting to get the impression people in this country don't like the rich and successful. You should try being rich, successful and good looking....its an absolute nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 At the end of the day if we cannot afford what players want, or what clubs want, what can NC do about it? It's not his money at the end of the day and he's only managing it 'on behalf' of someone else. We have got amongst the richest owners in the land. If they wanted to push us on a seize the opportunity they could easily do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 (edited) Hang on a minute. We were flying but now we are not. Compared to early on in the season we are in decline. FACT. This January window was a window of opportunity. An opportunity to halt the decline, but instead of that we've allowed the decline to manifest and turn into a rot. The pack is now closing in and the way we are going we'll be lucky to finnish top 6. To allow that to happen is not the sign of ambition, it's the sign of a club retreating from the vision of marcus Liebherr. We have got amongst the richest owners in the land. If they wanted to push us on a seize the opportunity they could easily do that. Saints have signed Hooiveld, Lee and Falque this window and not sold any important players, that is a lot more than most other Championship clubs. They also have had confirmed multi million pound bids for other players and there is still over four days left of the window. My point still remains valid, as you said "we haven't pushed on from the days of Marcus Liebherr", when in reality Saints are now 42 places higher in the league than on the day Markus died! Edited 27 January, 2012 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribbo Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 And the season tickets will be cards next year which you swipe!(no more booklet tearing!) You can also put credit on them to buy stuff from the megastore! I kinda expected this to be rolled out eventually, it's just an absoloute winner to manage ticketting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 Hang on a minute. We were flying but now we are not. Compared to early on in the season we are in decline. FACT. This January window was a window of opportunity. An opportunity to halt the decline, but instead of that we've allowed the decline to manifest and turn into a rot. The pack is now closing in and the way we are going we'll be lucky to finnish top 6. To allow that to happen is not the sign of ambition, it's the sign of a club retreating from the vision of marcus Liebherr. No, this January window IS, still, a window of opportunity. Cortese has made it clear we've put plenty of bids in and we've clearly been in lots of negotiations. Adkins has talked about the work going on behind the scenes. So, quite simply, we have been trying to sign players, we have signed players, and we continue to try to sign players. All of which makes your criticisms premature at best, and misguided and downright wrong at worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 Hang on a minute. We were flying but now we are not. Compared to early on in the season we are in decline. FACT. This January window was a window of opportunity. An opportunity to halt the decline, but instead of that we've allowed the decline to manifest and turn into a rot. The pack is now closing in and the way we are going we'll be lucky to finnish top 6. To allow that to happen is not the sign of ambition, it's the sign of a club retreating from the vision of marcus Liebherr. Who else thinks it's sweet that Dune is trying to impersonate his friend Turkish' posting style? Bless him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 No, this January window IS, still, a window of opportunity. Cortese has made it clear we've put plenty of bids in and we've clearly been in lots of negotiations. Adkins has talked about the work going on behind the scenes. So, quite simply, we have been trying to sign players, we have signed players, and we continue to try to sign players. All of which makes your criticisms premature at best, and misguided and downright wrong at worst. All these players we keep trying to sign we don't get. Cortese isn't doing a very good job on that front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 Who else thinks it's sweet that Dune is trying to impersonate his friend Turkish' posting style? Bless him. My posting style is how i've always posted. I'm right in what i say and i think you agree with me, but you just can't bring yourself to accept what you see in front of your eyes. If any of us were having this conversation down the pub there would be realism in what we say, but as it's on here people like you shroud yourselves in a veil of happy clappery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailOB Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 (edited) All these players we keep trying to sign we don't get. Cortese isn't doing a very good job on that front. I agree that the lack of one of these 'major' signings is frustrating BUT Where exactly have Sharp/Maynard/Hooper/Rodriguez/Sordell/Rhodes actually gone so far ? No-one has signed them yet, maybe that says more about the players and their agents then the buying clubs Just a thought Edited 27 January, 2012 by SnailOB more names than I first thought ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 Our bubble burst a couple of months ago and it should have been a priority to address that early in the transfer window. we have lost the momentum now and instead of a proactive strategy we are now in the position of having to turn around a rot that has set in. That isn't good management however you try to dress it up. The season is slipping away. I just don't get why some of you lot don't see what is happening in front of your eyes. sorry but thats ********! The bubble has not burst at all, it may have got smaller the last month but it wouldnt surprise me if it started to grow again very soon. If you were to take 6/7 key first team players out of the likes of WHAM and Cardiff they too would have poor games. You cannot buy that many "backup" players as it would cause unrest in the team when all were fit. Question...If I had said to you before the season started that we would be 2nd in January, would you have taken it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 My posting style is how i've always posted. I'm right in what i say and i think you agree with me, but you just can't bring yourself to accept what you see in front of your eyes. If any of us were having this conversation down the pub there would be realism in what we say, but as it's on here people like you shroud yourselves in a veil of happy clappery. no, you are not right in what you say and I will enjoy reminding you of that in April / May Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 My posting style is how i've always posted. I'm right in what i say and i think you agree with me, but you just can't bring yourself to accept what you see in front of your eyes. If any of us were having this conversation down the pub there would be realism in what we say, but as it's on here people like you shroud yourselves in a veil of happy clappery. I see a team basically created from scratch from a point where it looked like we were free falling into an abyss. This team has played some of the best football I've seen in my time as a saints supporter, has produced more wins consistently than I've ever seen, been promoted, been to a cup final, and managed against the odds, to sit at the top of the championship for 4 months when the reality is that most of us would have accepted mid table. I'm not going to start chucking my toys out of the pram just because we've had a difficult couple of months whereby we've consistently been without our most influencial players. I'm proud of the team, the management and the club as a whole and I'll support them whatever the outcome this season because they don't deserve people turning on them so quickly, particularly when most of the reasoning behind it is based on idle speculation and rumours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 All these players we keep trying to sign we don't get. Cortese isn't doing a very good job on that front. Right, so a player not signing must mean Cortese isn't doing his job? Nowt to do with all the other variables involved at all then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 no, you are not right in what you say and I will enjoy reminding you of that in April / May Unless we get in decent centre forward to replace Guly you most certainly will not. Our away form has been poor for a long time and now our home form is patchy. You're utterly deluded if you think we can stay in the top 2 without strengthening and even then we've got to reverse the decline that has been allowed to set in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 Right, so a player not signing must mean Cortese isn't doing his job? Nowt to do with all the other variables involved at all then? We won't pay the money. If we won't pay the money why are we looking to sign these players? Why bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 Right, so a player not signing must mean Cortese isn't doing his job? Nowt to do with all the other variables involved at all then? Other than AL, Morgan and Kelvin I believe every single other player we have has been signed under NC's reign (excluding the kids of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 (edited) Unless we get in decent centre forward to replace Guly you most certainly will not. - Guly is the Championship's 4th top scorer. - Saints are the Championship's top scorers. - Saints have just signed a Japanese international striker. - Saints have made a multi million pound bid for another striker and there is still 4 days left to sign players. You're utterly deluded if you think we can stay in the top 2 without strengthening and even then we've got to reverse the decline that has been allowed to set in. Why do you think Saints have't strengthened this window? They have signed 3 players (Hooiveld, Falque and Lee), not sold any important players, made large bids for other players and have Jason Puncheon back available for selection. Plus as people keep telling you, there are four days left of the window and also players returning from injury and suspension. Edited 27 January, 2012 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itchen_block4 Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 Unless we get in decent centre forward to replace Guly you most certainly will not. Our away form has been poor for a long time and now our home form is patchy. You're utterly deluded if you think we can stay in the top 2 without strengthening and even then we've got to reverse the decline that has been allowed to set in. We've got one new centre forward already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 -Why do you think Saints have't strengthened this window? They have signed 3 players (Hooiveld, Falque and Lee), not sold any important players, made large bids for other players and have Jason Puncheon back available for selection. Plus as people keep telling you, there are four days left of the window. Hoovield was signed outside the window in December 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 But if I've understood it right, this doesn't just apply to one player/bid, but several, so maybe the problem lies with us and not the players? We went after various targets in the summer and various targets in this window and don't seem to have got who we wanted reading between the lines. If you put a "big bid" in for a player, you can usually expect to pay "big wages". Not necessarily a dig at NC before all the usual start crying, more of a hypothetical question? Or the problem lies with players whose wage demands exceed commonsense. The fee we have to pay is reflective of the value the player has to the selling club who don't want to lose them. The wages are reflective of their value to us. Fee and wages are only very loosely connected. Whatever we offer, it is bound to be significantly more than they are already getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 (edited) Hoovield was signed outside the window in December 2011 Still counts as strengthening in the period after the last loan window closed in late November. Had he not signed he would have left by now when his loan finished. Edited 27 January, 2012 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 Is Puncheon the waiter? That's a bit racist. Never had you down as that kind of poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 We won't pay the money. If we won't pay the money why are we looking to sign these players? Why bother? We don't know what wage requests players have until we have permission to speak to them. To get permission to speak to them we have to make an offer. We will clearly pay what we deem to be appropriate money, but that's why there are negotiations and discussion. It is a matter of opinion as to what is appropriate but as we don't know what Cortese's wage structure is, it's impossible to discuss. So, taking all the above into consideration, Cortese clearly IS doing his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 That's a bit racist. Never had you down as that kind of poster.How can it be racist? Puncheon isn't Australian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 27 January, 2012 Share Posted 27 January, 2012 It reinforces nothing. It's just words. It's about time Cortese started backing the manager and signing some players. Yeah, I'm up for that - why don't we do a Pompey? - pay whatever stupid fees and wages people ask of us, have a nice bright afternoon in the sun and then just think of all the super times we can have putting anguished posts on here as our club goes out of existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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