hypochondriac Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 I just don't understand it. In away games he has looked decent, basically won us a point single handed against Reading and other than a few ocassions either hasn't had a run in the team or has been unlucky to get injured at key moments. He was just forcing his way into the side recently and had looked our best player on occasion and would have started quite a few more had he not been fit. Weirdly, being injured and then recovering fitness has now translated into 'Adkins doesn't like/rate him' when I think there is little evidence to suggest that other than one poor moment in that home game on TV when Adkins was critical. Personally I believe Adkins sees De Ridder as an effective impact player and the sort of player who can change a game if he is introduced against a tiring opposition. Does anyone else feel that the criticism of De Ridder is unnecessarily harsh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 Yes I do. I dont think many fans have seen enough of him, thats partly the trouble. Not always easy to come on and make an impact. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. If he gets a run of games in the first team then jodge him, not on the odd 30 mins here and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 I think it's been disappointing that he hasn't broken through into the team. As good as he obviously can be, he is also very much a headless chicken at times and be very frustrating. For a team that prides itself on keeping the ball and not giving it away cheaply, that can be hugely detrimental. I still think he has much, much more to offer. And he has a style of play that offers us options that no other player in our squad can give us, that direct pace and ability to take the man on. Hopefully with a run injury-free he can start to realise some of his potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 25 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 25 January, 2012 Yes I do. I dont think many fans have seen enough of him, thats partly the trouble. Not always easy to come on and make an impact. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. If he gets a run of games in the first team then jodge him, not on the odd 30 mins here and there. He has definitely looked better in away games. I think some are critical because they have only seen him in short bursts in home games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channonball Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 Because he runs down blind alleys and can't cross for his life. Having said that he looks ten times better than the spanish kid agent Harry has sent us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 thing is we cannot afford 2 headless chickens so De Ridder is sub and Guly starts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 I think he's looked good when he plays, quick, good touch on the ball, some skills. Technically he looks good, but he's nowhere near the finished article. He's a good squad member to have in the side though, and could one day make the right slot his own, but he'll have to improve and impress Nige to do it. Give Falque a chance too - some of the (few) touches he made were good too. There's much more to come from both these two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 25 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 25 January, 2012 Because he runs down blind alleys and can't cross for his life. Having said that he looks ten times better than the spanish kid agent Harry has sent us. I haven't seen much evidence of that to be honest with you. In fact, on the last two occasions he has played, I would say he has been amongst the best players in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 He's a headless chicken, both going forward and tracking back. Adkins would rather play Schneiderlin upfront or out-wide than him. Anyone who saw him play at Palace will take some convincing he's decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 I haven't seen much evidence of that to be honest with you. In fact, on the last two occasions he has played, I would say he has been amongst the best players in the team. that would be because he fits your personal perception of what makes a good player..huff and puff most likely,unfortunately it doesn't seem to meet with the approval of the manager or his assistant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 I find him pretty frustrating to watch to be honest - agreed he's done better away than at home where he only gets a short time to impress. If he could cross he'd be our most dangerous player by far but he just can't. He has pace and runs at players which is a definite plus but his decision making and crossing is just atrocious. He's definitely more of an off the bench impact man and when all our players are fit he wouldn't be in my first XI. That being said, I think a lot of the flack he is getting started after he didn't square it against Blackpool to give us the win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 I think some criticism of him is fair but I agree in some cases people are slating him in a rather over the top way. Firstly his pace is scary but as we have seen with Theo at Arse this is no guarentee of a decent winger, it takes a level of intelligence in final ball selection that I'm not sure SDR has or at least not on any consistent level. OC was super fast and had the intelligence to pick a decent final ball more often than not. People are obviously like for like evaluating Steve against him, hes more Antonio than Oxlade-Chamberlain IMO. Sometimes he'll look great others he'll look garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish fingers Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 My biggest gripe is everytime he comes on and does something a bunch of mongs start shouting Steeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeve. Not his fault but i don't want him to ever play because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 25 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 25 January, 2012 that would be because he fits your personal perception of what makes a good player..huff and puff most likely,unfortunately it doesn't seem to meet with the approval of the manager or his assistant. What evidence do you have that his last two performances were not met with approval? By all accounts he was set to start before an unfortunate injury and then he was introduced in the second half on Monday presumably because he was still unfit after his injury (and backed up by his twitter account.) Please don't assume what I find appealing in a player. It comes across as extremely patronising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 I think some criticism of him is fair but I agree in some cases people are slating him in a rather over the top way. Firstly his pace is scary but as we have seen with Theo at Arse this is no guarentee of a decent winger, it takes a level of intelligence in final ball selection that I'm not sure SDR has or at least not on any consistent level. OC was super fast and had the intelligence to pick a decent final ball more often than not. People are obviously like for like evaluating Steve against him, hes more Antonio than Oxlade-Chamberlain IMO. Sometimes he'll look great others he'll look garbage. An extremely accurate assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 25 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 25 January, 2012 I find him pretty frustrating to watch to be honest - agreed he's done better away than at home where he only gets a short time to impress. If he could cross he'd be our most dangerous player by far but he just can't. He has pace and runs at players which is a definite plus but his decision making and crossing is just atrocious. He's definitely more of an off the bench impact man and when all our players are fit he wouldn't be in my first XI. That being said, I think a lot of the flack he is getting started after he didn't square it against Blackpool to give us the win! Yep. That is the exact moment that I noticed a switch in people's reaction to him. Before that incident he was pretty well liked. Afterwards we have the situation now where I feel he is unfairly criticised. He isn't our best player but he is definitely useful to have in the squad and offers something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesfp1 Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 This is what happened to Puncheon and is slowly happening to Guly. I hate our "fans". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish fingers Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 This is what happened to Puncheon and is slowly happening to Guly. I hate our "fans". We must have a hate figure. It always amazes me that regardless of how well we are doing there has to be one player who gets abuse. I'm putting in an early nomination for Danny Fox for next season, **** at tracking back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COMEONYOUREDS Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 Because he's not very good! I would concur that Nige thinks the same and thats why he hasn't broken into the 1st team. He's probably going to be behind puncheon and falque now too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Bald_Si Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 I'm actually a fan of his. The only home league game he's started (versus Palace), he was probably our best player. Also, great bit of wing play, and cross, for our first goal. Needs more starts. Only so much you can do with fleeting 10 minute appearances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 He is a bit inconsistent and sometimes doesn't seem to know where he's going or quite what he is doing - how many effective crosses has SDR delivered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Saint Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 Because he runs down blind alleys and can't cross for his life. Having said that he looks ten times better than the spanish kid agent Harry has sent us. think it's a bit harsh to judge the lad on 60 minutes appearance, showed a few nice touches......have we slipped Redcrapp a bung for him?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 (edited) think it's a bit harsh to judge the lad on 60 minutes appearance, showed a few nice touches......have we slipped Redcrapp a bung for him?? I really do wonder just how much game time Falque will see with us though.If we're reactivating Punch and Chaplow gets back soon I just can't quite see what we're going to do with him.Still I guess they've thought about that and discussed it with Spurs who probably don't have roster space for him in their 25 anyway.Are Spain qualified for the olympics, could be about that I suppose,getting at least some game time rather than absolute zero that he'll get with Spurs. Edited 25 January, 2012 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 25 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 25 January, 2012 I'm actually a fan of his. The only home league game he's started (versus Palace), he was probably our best player. Also, great bit of wing play, and cross, for our first goal. Needs more starts. Only so much you can do with fleeting 10 minute appearances That's pretty much my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surman4no7shirt Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 I think he's great. Can't cross though. Think Adkins said on the radio he see's im as more of a forward than a winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 I'd say the reason he gets some stick is "footballing brain" As an example Theo Walcott vs AOC - a debate often heard. SDR has all the attributes but as others have said, runs down blind alleys, picks up silly bookings - on Monday for example he gave away a soft free kick in a dangerous position just outside the box. I put it down to adjusting, I think he is slow to adapt and that is why he has not started much. But that CAN come with experience, so not giving up hope on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 I like him. Sometimes comes across as too eager to impress though. Part of his problem. He'll get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 I think SDR used to accentuate his strengths could be a devastating outlet on either the right or left wide. He could be our main outlet for breaking out of our own half not to be utilised as a tippy tappy right midfielder with no opportunity to run the defenders. If we are going to use him and we paid a million for him, we have to adapt to his strengths as much as he has to adapt to our play. He is the only first teamer with pace and we would be stupid not to capitalise on that by giving him the service he needs. He needs a quick pass out from defence to break from his own half, he needs balls played in behind the defence into the corner, he needs to receive inside support to wall pass him behind the defence into the corner if blocked. He has to be used to run the defence and turn it so we can get our attacking players into the box on the blind side. At the moment we are not using his pace, he is just another cog in the ponderous midfield living off scraps and usually receiving the ball facing his own goal. It's all very well saying the manager doesn't rate him but the manager has questions of his own to answer. The plan keeping a tight midfield allegedly because De Ridder isn't defensive enough, really worked in their first five games, we conceded seven goals, twice the normal rate only scored two lost twice against rock bottom sides, drew twice and won from 0-1 down v Hull after De Ridder was brought on at half time for one of the three. Against Crystal Palace SDR made a magnificent game saving tackle chasing 30 yds and catching the nippy Scannel when he was clean through and uncatchable by anybody else. Give him a chance, give him the service and he will rip up defences even if half his crosses aren't on target he will rattle the opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 Before the games over Christmas he frustrated me, because he never seemed to produce anything. Lots of blind alleys and running into players - nothing spectacular and no real impact, it was all made even worse when Adkins revealed he doesn't see him as a wide man! But he got his chance over Christmas and IMO he took it with both hands. The palace game was the best I've seen him at home this season, and I'm not sure how others can say otherwise. He got a cracking assist and was a real outlet down the right, and finally the player that frustrated the hell out of me was producing an end product. He was also one of our better players against Bristol City, but then he got injured and his progressed stopped again. It seems that just as he starts to get a run in the team he gets injured - really frustrating. He's obviously got pace, talent, skill, but he needs to find that consistency and with a run of games I think he'll find that - but now with Puncheon back and Chaplow not far away I'm not sure if/when he'll get those run of games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 He's fast and we need that, but a brain would help and I don't see much evidence of one. The worrying thing for me is that he keeps blaming his own team mates when the ball is not just as he wants it, there was plenty to moan about on Monday but that is not the way NA has built a team togetherness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 Not proved himself yet, and a bad touch against Blackpool stopped us having a fantastic chance of keeping our home run going, and since we have lost 2 on the spin. I am not blaming him 100% for our down turn, but it was a factor. I think he has shown good signs, but he is not the finished article and may never ever get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 (edited) I still think De Ridder is a decent player, but he needs a run of games we can't necessarily afford - and he's probably best suited as a game-changing sub. I don't think Puncheon's return impacts him as much as us signing Lee will. Edited 25 January, 2012 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 Not proved himself yet, and a bad touch against Blackpool stopped us having a fantastic chance of keeping our home run going, and since we have lost 2 on the spin. I am not blaming him 100% for our down turn, but it was a factor. I think he has shown good signs, but he is not the finished article and may never ever get there. He made a wrong decision at a vital moment plus a bad touch, FFS the rest of the team were doing it all afternoon and the goalkeeper gave away a kindergarten goal but he is blamed how bloody unfair is that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ampersound Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 He's great and will be better in the prem next season for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 This is looking more like the age-old "We need to play to his strengths" VERSUS "He needs to fit within our system" dilemma. I can't help but wonder whether bringing Puncheon in from the cold is a sign that Adkins strongly doubts that De Ridder can fit within the system he wants to play. It's hard to see the Puncheon decision doing anything other than pushing SDR down the pecking order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 I think he's been as good as anyone recently. From most accounts it sounded like he had a decent game against Palace and he was no worst than anyone else on Monday or again Bristol. He's had some decent cameos too, like our trips to Coventry and Reading. He sprinted to the length of the pitch against Boro to set up Lambert for THAT volley which would have been goal of the season if it hadn't been saved. The whole idea of a scapegoat is that you pick on someone much worse than the other players. Steve just isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 Rate him highly..and still much more to come.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 I rate him highly it's just a few on the forum have nothing better to do but moan and slag off players . Look at the connolly thread for yet another example of the doom and gloom merchants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 There are times he looks a world beater. There are times that he looks pub league. He needs to find a middle ground. Not try to hard, have a look up before getting carried away, practice crosses so that he gets 80% of his crosses as good as the 10% he gets in now. He certainly has something about him and can totally understand why we brought him to the club, but he's a very rough diamond who needs some time spent on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubby Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 He's got natural talent. He needs to learn a few things, and the team need to play the ball to him where and when he needs it. He'll come good, unless the crowd start to get on his back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 think it's a bit harsh to judge the lad on 60 minutes appearance, showed a few nice touches......have we slipped Redcrapp a bung for him?? I suspect the "Rosie 47" account may have swollen slightly. Just a guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 I like SDR a lot. I enjoy watching his marauding runs at/around defenders. Hopefully, the coaching staff will be as analytical about his weaknesses as some of the more constructive responses to this have been. That said, he does need game time. Remember that a great part of our success is down to many of the players being on the same wavelength as the rest of the team. Last year, we were saying similar things about Guly ( not attuned to team, not on same wavelength). Granted, this year we have a different set of complaints about do Prado, but hopefully the point will be made. Bit of focus on crossing, bit more game time - I think he's got the potential to really click with this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supergoose Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 I like SDR. I think he offers us something different and will be a great player for us once he's fully adjusted and gets a bit of confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 I think he's really good. Against Bristol City he was quality as well. He wants to take people on, he's exciting. A bit of work on his final ball and he'll be a very good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 (edited) he's made mistakes - not crossing in one game at home with Lambert (?) totally unmarked won't be forgotten quickly - and he's had some very bad games (he openely admitted to that on twitter) where he has been as useful as tits on a bull, but he has also enlightened games with pace, effort and great dribbling skills. NA quite clearly does not rate him or trust him otherwise he'd of got far more time on the pitch. Give the lad a bloody run of five or 6 games FFS. My biggest gripe when he does play is actually that we don't feed him enough. Far too much long diagonal hoof ball from Fox etc. Just get the ball to him all the time and he'll stretch teams and test fullbacks. He's a million miles better than Falque or Holmes. Hope he plays on Saturday. I never want to see Falque in a wide role ever again, ever, no, not that soon. nEVER Edited 25 January, 2012 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 He's just so hit and miss that it's fun to watch. Painful counting his bad crosses, even in the Palace match he had 2 or 3 blindingly good one's then 5 or 6 heading for the car park of a ball boy. It's hard not to like his enthusiasm and attitude but it's frustrating to see him play as you know he's not one to look up after a touch and wont always end up in the best place on the pitch when he does. Fun to see if he can get better through hard work though as he is a player we will see it from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 Passing too pedestrian in midfield to make effective use of him and his crossing his erratic. Prefer him up top buzzing off lambert where the ball does get delivered quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 I like him a lot. I get a buzz when I see him coming on because I expect him to do something special.......it is just that he hasn't done it yet. But he will - I just know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 Well, I can't talk for away games as I am season ticket holder, so only see the home games... But he is okay... I mean he is able to hold on to the ball, but he does a lot of turning and skill and what not, but more often and not doesn't really go anywhere with it. He's a good impact player for about 60 minutes when everyone else is getting a bit tired because he is very fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemantle Saint Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 He cant cross runs around like a headless chicken....hes the white reincarnation of chicken george lawrence. Fabrice fernandes was more effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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