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Maynard to Wigan, Hooper and Sharp stay put- What makes Saints unattractive ?


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I think the signings we have brought in have been very good but with only Tadanari Lee new to the books this winter, where is that extra bit of quality we need going to come from?

 

I don't know perhaps Maynard would rather get guaranteed PL football and Hooper playing for a side that simply will not sell has something to do with it?

 

We're allegedly back in for Sharp, but I'll believe it when I see it.

 

You speak like Lee is DOA (donkey on arrival)

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If Maynard to Wigan is true, that surprises me. They'll definitely be in the Championship next season so he'll have a few months in the PL tops.

 

I would like to see more new signings, but I'm just glad that we're not losing our top players. Much happier for Maynard to go to Wigan than RL, Fonte or Adam...

 

As for Hooper, I think that says loads about his ambition. Better off at Celtic than here if that's the case.

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What makes Saints unattractive? The fickle supporters who prefer watching their football on TV. The supporters who write on forums so badly about their own players when the team were Number one in the Championship.

Twelfth man? We no longer have a twelfth man that remains loyally behind the manager and the team. We don't deserve a top class stadium, financial backing second to none and aren't ready from a supporters point of view to return to the Premiership. How are such supporters going to survive losing game after game when even winning they're slitting their wrists and calling on hell fire to descend upon their players.

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We have a CEO patently unwilling to pay the market rates. In addition, Southampton is a little bit off the beaten track in footballing terms.

 

**** me you dont' half bang on and and on about the same points. Each new bone of contention that you cling to then gets repeated about a 100 times until you drive everyone to the point of suicide. Im not saying I dont agree with some of your points but is it really necessary to keep forcing it down our throats.

 

Surely you know that you get to the point that noone actually reads your posts or takes them seriously and concentrates on abusing you?

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If Maynard to Wigan is true, that surprises me. They'll definitely be in the Championship next season so he'll have a few months in the PL tops.

 

I would like to see more new signings, but I'm just glad that we're not losing our top players. Much happier for Maynard to go to Wigan than RL, Fonte or Adam...

 

As for Hooper, I think that says loads about his ambition. Better off at Celtic than here if that's the case.

 

But he'll have a few years on premier league wages. That's what the parachute payments system does: allow teams near relegation to carry on as if all was well, buying players, putting them on big wages on long contracts, knowing they'll be baled out by the parachute. So Maynard probably thinks ... I will do well in the few months and impress lots of other PL team who'll buy me when Wigan go down, and if not, well there's the ( trebled? quadrupled?) wages to console me till my shiney new wigan contract runs out.

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Can understand Maynard going to Wigan, as it stands they are a better prospect than Saints. They are likely to offer better wages for a start and there are enough sh*t teams in the Premier League at the moment for Wigan to stay up. Even if Wigan go down, they will have a decent shot at promotion for a couple of seasons with their parachute payments. All off this makes them more appealing than Saints and much more appealing than Bristol City.

 

Sharp... I have no idea what personal issues he may or may not have at the moment. All sorts of rumours that he wants to come here, but we aren't bidding enough etc. etc.

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**** me you dont' half bang on and and on about the same points. Each new bone of contention that you cling to then gets repeated about a 100 times until you drive everyone to the point of suicide. Im not saying I dont agree with some of your points but is it really necessary to keep forcing it down our throats.

 

Surely you know that you get to the point that noone actually reads your posts or takes them seriously and concentrates on abusing you?

 

Calm down you big girlie.

 

With regards to the second point I made, most of the footballing "power" in England is located in London, Midlands, Northwest or NorthEast. We dont belong to any of those categories. A half-decent player can spend an entire career transfering between Midlands teams, for example, without having to uproot himself or his family.

 

As for the first point, its nothing more than how I feel combined with some anecdotal snippets. But I dont see why I shouldnt be permitted to express my opinion on a thread someone started.

 

The only recent thread I started was about transfer strategy. I didnt think my ideas were particularly controversial.

 

I also dont think I repeat myself as much as you make out; my musing about NC being somewhat to blame is a recent development that I only came to yesterday.

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He's being daft and stating subjective facts with no evidence again, but on the second point there's some truth. Southampton is an average city. Nothing that bad, but it's not going to attract many in itself and that is going to impose some limits to attracting a keeping players. It's one thing aspiring to be like Barcelona on the pitch, but we need a bit of work on climate, landscape, architecture and culture to really convince people to move here! London will always attract more, Manchester and Liverpool are bigger cities with more to offer and global clubs with a rich history.

 

Wonder if we'll ever see a smaller city win the league again. Only Blackburn in recent memory.

 

Thats true, and a good point from adrian. Personally I wouldnt particularly like to live anywhere else, buts that probably because I was born and brought up here and my family are here. Cant really see the city of Southampton as being a selling point to prospective players, except that its handy for just about everywhere else they might want to get to, (airport, trains, motorways....)

 

What I cant understand is why any player ever signs for portsmouth :facepalm: ffs, we're not the worlds greatest city but how could anybody even consider living there if they had any other option? .............. oh, hang on.......

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Easy this one.

We spoke to Maynard & Sharp before Xmas and they both wanted too much for wages.

We knew that Hooper would come to us as he did not want so much more than the others.

 

Celtic won't let us have Hooper so we have gone back to Sharp, however we need to meet his terms or it's off.

 

Simple as that!

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Easy this one.

We spoke to Maynard & Sharp before Xmas and they both wanted too much for wages.

We knew that Hooper would come to us as he did not want so much more than the others.

 

Celtic won't let us have Hooper so we have gone back to Sharp, however we need to meet his terms or it's off.

 

Simple as that!

 

So we must be willing to meet his demands now if we have gone back to him.

 

Panic at SMS ???

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What makes Saints unattractive? The fickle supporters who prefer watching their football on TV. The supporters who write on forums so badly about their own players when the team were Number one in the Championship.

Twelfth man? We no longer have a twelfth man that remains loyally behind the manager and the team. We don't deserve a top class stadium, financial backing second to none and aren't ready from a supporters point of view to return to the Premiership. How are such supporters going to survive losing game after game when even winning they're slitting their wrists and calling on hell fire to descend upon their players.

 

You're deluded.

 

When a player considers a move they aren't going to be looking on the internet at what muppets like alpine think. "Fickle supporters who prefer watching their football on TV". I suggest you give up football and go and watch the Albanian chess championships instead. Every other sporting event with television coverage suffers a relative drop in attendance. If you think a Monday night football match is any different you're on another planet. In any case, 21,000 with a pretty low away following is nothing to be embarassed about. Especially 3 weeks after Christmas with big games against our rivals coming up and 2 FA cup away trips.

 

I think you're just looking for a reason to hate Saints fans. The number of people being unreasonably negative on here is probably in single figures. Plenty of people saying 'we were sh*t, need to improve, need signings, bad injury list etc.' but very few people saying 'Adkins out, we wont get promoted, we have no ambition etc.'

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You reckon?

 

Tough one. In gambling terms I'd say Wigan and Saints are about the same odds to be in the top flight next season. I actually think saints may have more chance myself. I'm sure it's not a wigan/saints choice for him though.

 

But he's probably thinking it doesn't matter. 5 months at Wigan then leave if they go down.

 

I think lighthouse meant that with Wigans parachute payments Maynard will be on a deal for a couple of years at prem wages which we cant currently offer.It doesnt matter to him if they go down.

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Easy this one.

We spoke to Maynard & Sharp before Xmas and they both wanted too much for wages.

We knew that Hooper would come to us as he did not want so much more than the others.

 

Celtic won't let us have Hooper so we have gone back to Sharp, however we need to meet his terms or it's off.

 

Simple as that!

 

May I enquire as to your

 

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I'm not getting this... Maynard going to a Premiership team, Hooper staying at Champions league club Celtic and Sharp is still a target according to the mirror.

So what's the point? If we get sharp for £1.5 million everyone will hail Cortese as a genius...

 

And as for this complete and utter nonsense that we're a little bit off the beaten track in footballing terms?

How many people have been gushing about our facilities and set up? And we're an hour or so away from London?

jeez...

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I hate the word deluded. On here anyway. It's not delusional to have the opinion ART put forward. I see what he means, not sure it's 100% right, and as you say players probably don't all check such things, but let's be honest, it really doesn't help does it.

 

Delusional would be stating a team's season was over in January when they remain one of the favourites to be promoted. It's not about being negative, just an inability to gauge evidence. If there's a scale of -10 most negative to +10 most positive, either end of the spectrum is just as ignorant really.

 

You're right though, as loud as they speak (type?!), such posters are a minority and even in frustration and disappointment most are fairly good. It's just been a subdued, anxious atmosphere at games that isn't helping.

 

Fair point, deluded probably is a bit strong. "Living under illusions" maybe, although that kind of amounts to the same thing I suppose.

 

The point I'm trying to make is ART is a very long way off the mark taring us with the same brush as alpine. There are thousands of fans living outside of Hampshire who couldn't have made last nights match even if they wanted to. Many that did probably had to sit in traffic for ages on the M3, struggled to park, missed the first 20 minutes and got home at 1am on a work night after the game. That's not nice and opting to watch from the convenience of your own living room is not fickle, not by a long way.

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True. Partly why I'm confused by the atmosphere, because I don't think saints fans are bad. Usually we're very supportive, even of our poorer teams. I think the long winning run did bring complacency but hopefully the next match will be a great atmosphere. Surely as football fans a challenging up and down promotion battle is a great thing?

 

Also don't think Sky help, as attendences will be lower when it's on TV as people try to save money.

 

It'll be interesting to compare the attendance next Tuesday with last night ? My guess is that it will be much higher, giving credence to the argument that Sky live coverage is a major factor!

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Lighthouse I am NOT tarring all Saints supporters with the same brush or relating my opinion on last nights match or crowd. It was a Monday and cold winters night, a school night and not typical of your normal home game. yet pour former manager was returning to the stadium, we had a new loan player in the team. I share no opinion whatsoever with Alpine. We are a far cry from the united, loyal supporter base of yesteryear. Expectations by some are beyond all imagination, we expect everything but some aren't prepared to back the players, the manager or the Chairman at a time we are top of the Championship. This current downfall in our season can be traced back to vicious attacks by our own supporters on players like Bart and Gully. Od course they're foreigners, (oh so easy) and living far from home. Normally not a problem, but at Christmas time, when hearts, feelings turn to home, it's tough to remain fully focused when you've got your own supporters insulting and bringing you down. The supporters are the 12th man as Leicester showed us last night and our incredible away supporters show week in, week out. Players, under par. or who are nervous, rise to the occasion with 100% of their own supporters behind them. I defie anyone to say constant barracking and insulting resolves the problem.

Elsewhere I know that players thinking of a move, especially those who take their time, do take a look at fans forums and what is speculated in the local press or phone ins to sports programs. Most of those players we are trying to sign are former Atkins players, as was Beckford last night. I have no doubt they follow Nigel and his teams and know a lot that is to be known about the club, the supporters.

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Don't think we've ever been in for Maynard, Hooper won't be sold for the sort of money we want to spend, and Sharp is just out for a massive payday. If I'm not mistaken that is.....

 

Southampton is not an unattractive move, I just think we're not AS attractive as we think we are. I think we're seen as a bit of a flash in the pan, new boys in the league. Is say that to a neutral footballer looking in, we'd be on a par with Reading, Birmingham, Boro, Hull etc.

 

I think that we're a better club than all of those, but they'd all say exactly the same thing

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I'm not getting this... Maynard going to a Premiership team, Hooper staying at Champions league club Celtic and Sharp is still a target according to the mirror.

So what's the point? If we get sharp for £1.5 million everyone will hail Cortese as a genius...

 

And as for this complete and utter nonsense that we're a little bit off the beaten track in footballing terms?

How many people have been gushing about our facilities and set up? And we're an hour or so away from London?

jeez...

 

The reason that you are not getting this and not able to join in with the hysterical whining is that you are not an attention seeker with only a small brain and limited knowledge of football.

 

The normal clueless tarts are out on force as we have the misfortune to fall to 2nd in the table ffs.

 

 

They want to blame Adkins and Cortese. Thick or what?

 

Good test of Cortese's ability in the transfer window for Alpine and his slow friends - do a bit of research.

 

Question 1) where were we points and position when Cortese came in?

Question 2) where were we at the start of the January transfer window?

Question 3) was 2) better than 1) if so first window a success.

etc

 

Repeat that for every cycle, start of one window to the next - significant, huge improvement as to where the club is in every window.

 

FFS Cortese is probably the only chairman to move his club forward window to window.

 

If we finish this season out of automatic then I will agree this window didn't take us forward to finish off the job.

 

 

Who have West Ham signed? Who have Cardiff signed? Who have Middlesbrough signed?

 

Bet they would be happier in our position with the addition of Tandari Lee.

 

 

The people moaning are the same ones who thought the likes of Leicester had left us behind in the summer due to signing all the greats we were missing out on. Bet their fans (this mornings good feeling aside!) are glad they didn't have our summer and aren't sat in 2nd.

 

 

Adkins? Not worth even starting to justify a manager to them if they think he is underperforming.

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So we must be willing to meet his demands now if we have gone back to him.

 

Panic at SMS ???

 

No, if we are going back then it to see if a deal can be struck, whether our bargaining position or Sharps has changed we don't know.

 

Your second line is an illustration as to why you are the biggest WUM on here.

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If Maynard to Wigan is true, that surprises me. They'll definitely be in the Championship next season so he'll have a few months in the PL tops.

 

I would like to see more new signings, but I'm just glad that we're not losing our top players. Much happier for Maynard to go to Wigan than RL, Fonte or Adam...

 

As for Hooper, I think that says loads about his ambition. Better off at Celtic than here if that's the case.

 

If Maynard knocks in a few goals, puts himself about a bit, and Wigan do go down, what's to say another premier league club will not come in for him?

 

Also 3 months in the premier league is fantastic experience for him. We can buy him in the summer when we go the other way :-)

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I have a feeling if we get Sharp, or any other striker, the moment they don't score or Saints lose, some bright spark will post 'we should have gone the extra mile and signed X, Y or Hooper'.

 

Do you think so? We need a striker and a defender and we will get them! They will also be very good. Sharp will be good back up for Guly ;-)

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I can see the attraction of Wigan to Maynard actually. If he goes there & does well & they stay up, he continues on in the Prem. If he does well & they're relegated, he stands a good chance of being snapped up by another Prem side with a signing on bonus. If he flops, he's on Prem wages for the duration of his contract (relegation clause permitting). Win, win or win.

 

The situation with Sharp & Hooper is also quite straightforward for me. Sharp wanted x amount in wages, which we haven't really responded on. Some are saying Hooper only wants a little more, if true, to join so we pursued the striker NA considered his top choice. Celtic though are clearly unwilling to sell so we've returned to Sharp, who we see as a slightly lesser player wanting slightly lesser wages. I hope we get him as I think he'd be ideal playing off Lambo or holding the fort without him.

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If Maynard to Wigan is true, that surprises me. They'll definitely be in the Championship next season so he'll have a few months in the PL tops. I would like to see more new signings, but I'm just glad that we're not losing our top players. Much happier for Maynard to go to Wigan than RL, Fonte or Adam... As for Hooper, I think that says loads about his ambition. Better off at Celtic than here if that's the case.

 

 

 

As for MAYNARD..I agree with that, but he'll get a PL contract ..and salary to match - what does he care. I don't think even his best efforts will save Wigan..they looked terrible a couple of weeks back in the FA Cup v. L2 side Swindon..who looked equal to the task and won deservedly.

 

HOOPER may harbour secret desires to return to England (like Saints and a 300% increase salary-if that was the figure quoted). But Celtic don't want to let him go at (almost) any price, though their bankers might have a say in that matter...

He'd be stupid to ask for a transfer, lose his % ..and alienate the Celtic faithful who'd give him a rough time if he stayed and hadn't shown loyalty to the cause !

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I'm not sure we ever took a serious look at Maynard. Maybe we enquired with club and agent about tranfer fees and wages and probably thought he was overpriced - but Bristol City didn't really want to sell him and Maynard wants to go to the Premiership. He'll either join someone like Norwich or WBA now or wait for the summer and move on a free transfer. I can't really see him joining Wigan - although Bristol City may well accept a bid from them now that they know he won't sign a new contract.

 

With Sharp I think we agreed a fee and wages - but with his wife being pregnant and with what happened later I think he wanted to stay at Doncaster for family reasons. Now I think Sharp probably wants a bit of stability and will probably stay at Doncaster until the summer - or move to a Premier League team in easy travelling distance of home. I'd bet on him joining someone like Everton in the summer.

 

Celtic wont sell Hooper - or want way too much money for him - and I think at the back of hid mind he want to stay until the summer for the treble winners medals this season - but I think he'll leave them for the Premiership in the summer. Maybe us if we get promoted.

 

Burnley wont sell Jay Rodriguez - and I don't think he'll leave them this season whilst they have a chance of the play-offs. Its his home town club and with the parachute payment they can still afford to pay him well. But I think it might be a different matter come the summer.

 

Burnley do have a lot of strikers - and have brought a couple more in recently - and Charlie Austin is supposedly a bit unhappy up north and wanting to return south. Maybe we should look at signing him if this is the case.

 

Strikers are in short supply - particularly good ones - and it seems we're not going to splash the cash around in stupid numbers to get one.

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It's just one player with a bad reputation. I'd be amazed if any other players gave a toss about it. The only players who'll turn us down because of that will be mates of Puncheon, and judging by his actions, I doubt we'd want his associates either.

 

If you go for a new job and see one unhappy sulking guy and everyone else seemingly fine you're more likely to think it's his problem.

 

You'd be amazed then, players are often real idiots,that's why agents can take a big cut out of any deal that they can get for them.

There are 3 or 4 things that are really stumbling blocks in today's transfer market, but above all it's about salary parity and buy-out clauses.Strange to think of it at the start of a contract but many are already considering their next move, they may want a release clause along the lines of.."If a top 5/6/7/8 PL club enquires about me I have to be told and I can talk to them if they meet the 3/4/5/6 million buyout clause". Now something tells me that NA won't consider that sort of clause and so transfers stumble.

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I'm not sure we ever took a serious look at Maynard. Maybe we enquired with club and agent about tranfer fees and wages and probably thought he was overpriced - but Bristol City didn't really want to sell him and Maynard wants to go to the Premiership. He'll either join someone like Norwich or WBA now or wait for the summer and move on a free transfer. I can't really see him joining Wigan - although Bristol City may well accept a bid from them now that they know he won't sign a new contract.

 

With Sharp I think we agreed a fee and wages - but with his wife being pregnant and with what happened later I think he wanted to stay at Doncaster for family reasons. Now I think Sharp probably wants a bit of stability and will probably stay at Doncaster until the summer - or move to a Premier League team in easy travelling distance of home. I'd bet on him joining someone like Everton in the summer.

 

Celtic wont sell Hooper - or want way too much money for him - and I think at the back of hid mind he want to stay until the summer for the treble winners medals this season - but I think he'll leave them for the Premiership in the summer. Maybe us if we get promoted.

 

Burnley wont sell Jay Rodriguez - and I don't think he'll leave them this season whilst they have a chance of the play-offs. Its his home town club and with the parachute payment they can still afford to pay him well. But I think it might be a different matter come the summer.

 

Burnley do have a lot of strikers - and have brought a couple more in recently - and Charlie Austin is supposedly a bit unhappy up north and wanting to return south. Maybe we should look at signing him if this is the case.

 

Strikers are in short supply - particularly good ones - and it seems we're not going to splash the cash around in stupid numbers to get one.

 

I think you've got it all absolutely spot on there. Good assessment.

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I think the signings we have brought in have been very good but with only Tadanari Lee new to the books this winter, where is that extra bit of quality we need going to come from?

 

I wasn't aware that the window had closed, but feel free to hang yourself over nothing.......There are some absolutely shocking 'fans' on here. PATHETIC

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