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Wot a total load of SH*T.

Weve mangaged promotion from L1 under cortese at the first go. We still sit 2nd in the NPC, the club have already brought in players and are still searching for more.

2 years ago we were fighting extinction and your arguing about not spending enough money!

Wake up to yourself......W*nker

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Dune's problem is that he lives on the internet, so he has no choice but to believe every rumour he hears. Get out into the real world and live a bit, Dune. Then come back with some slightly more worldly ideas and people might give you some credibility.

 

At the moment you spend waaaaaay too much time on various internet message boards to be worth listening to. Pretty soon all of those "kids" you think don't have enough real world experience are going to overtake you as you sit glued to your screen. What age was it you realised you knew everything anyway?

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So you'd rather have Connelly (who is past it) or Guly (who never had it)?

 

Yes I would rather have those two over CMS. How many goals does Guly have this season in comparison to CMS? And Connelly is class when he plays off Lambert. I'm not going to cast them both a side after last nights performance.

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650K is a reasonable price for CMS anyway, especially considering he didn't have long left on his contract at the time. He's a very limited striker so I'm glad we didn't pay over 2MM and offer him huge wages like Brighton did.

 

Yes but don't let the facts get in the way of a load of tosh!!

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Are you serious about Guly? 11 goals (as many goals from open play as Lambert I think), half a dozen assists in his first season at a level he's never played at before.

 

If you put Guly in front of a quality midfield of course he'll score. But a decent player who could play football would score and contribute to the team.

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Sorry Clark but we have bid £3 mill for sharp and Lennon confirmed we have had 2 bids rejected for hooper so I would argue there is money and Adkins continually claims there is money to spend.

The owners even if not that interested should spend a few million because the pay off to get to the prem is massive and any business person worth his salt can see that.

There is money there but saints and particularly cortese do not pay market value for players. Cue cms bid for 650 k, low ball bid for Simeon Jackson when he was at his former club.

We regularly have 30 k crowds, are in a great position and have an £80 mill jackpot if we can go up and still we are not making moves. It is unforgiveable!!!!

 

This season will be be down the toilet over our transfer policy. Even now when we are desperate for a striker we are getting a cut price Japanese international who will need time to settle etc...last night showed we have no quality in depth...

 

As I said and some of can argue until u are blue in the face, unless we can get 3-4 quality players in we will struggle to hold down a play off...

 

No investment = no promotion

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This post is the biggest load of guff on here in a long time. Either Dune is totally deluded, or he is on a wind-up, as he does not have the slightest inkling of what in in Cortese's mind. Pathetic.

 

Its the latest trend....... wannabe WUM. Everybody else is doing it why not join in ?

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Unbelievable OP. What planet is he on? Does Dune know how much we have bid for whichever player we are suppose to be interested in? Its all here say, no one knows what is going on, rumour, rumour and more rumour. We had 5 1st team players out last night, RL, AL, JF, RC and Richardson. Any team in any league with that number of key players out would struggle. Yes, we need to strengthen and I am positive that NC and NA will bring in teh required reinforcements, but those players must fit in with the pay structure at the Club. We have another week to buy players, judge NC and NA after 31st January.

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FFS, why aren't you buying into to the ambitious dreams of Nicola Cortese.

 

FFS, with attitudes like yours we'll never play in the champions league in front of 50,000 home fans.

 

I guess I lack ambition then! I'm honestly just enjoying life in the lower leagues and don't see the premier league as some sort of football mecca (with it's inflated wages, riduculous transfer fees for worse than average players, journalists spending more time sensationalising off the field activities than reporting on the actual game, wigan, bolton, blackburn et al playing in front of F all people whilst racking up tens of millions of debt) to be reached at any costs. So i'm quite happy to bide our time in the championship. Maybe that's just me tho...

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Little worms? Why because I've posted on a topic that I felt I had an opinion on? Managers are not idiots that's true but they are still being paid by someone with more authority... There's no smoke without fire.

 

Honest opinion, right now we have been found out! Teams know how to play us and with two or three I juries wee are shown our complete lack of strength in depth.

 

Cortese says he wants us to go up, the. He must realise there are 5/6 teams with better equipped squads than us right now. This is a great opportunity for us to go up but only if he realises he needs to spend.

 

We didn't need to to sell Oxo apparently so why aren't we spending the money, am I suggesting panic buying... Maybe or is this a chance to hit the big time with an investment in a transfer window we all know is a hard and overpriced time to buy...

 

No, not because you offered your opinion but for including rumours which IMO are clearly ********. So, again I'll ask, where did you hear that NC dictates transfers to the manager?

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This thread is laughable, we really do have some mongs as fans.

We are never going to pay 8-10mil for Hooper. Nor will anyone else, hence why he is still at Celtic.

We are not Man City.

We are making good progess as a club after we were almost killed by previous regimes, people need to remember where we were 2 and a half years ago.

Yes this is a great chance to go up but its hardly a disaster if we end up in the play offs.

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Sorry Clark but we have bid £3 mill for sharp and Lennon confirmed we have had 2 bids rejected for hooper so I would argue there is money and Adkins continually claims there is money to spend.

The owners even if not that interested should spend a few million because the pay off to get to the prem is massive and any business person worth his salt can see that.

There is money there but saints and particularly cortese do not pay market value for players. Cue cms bid for 650 k, low ball bid for Simeon Jackson when he was at his former club.

We regularly have 30 k crowds, are in a great position and have an £80 mill jackpot if we can go up and still we are not making moves. It is unforgiveable!!!!

 

This season will be be down the toilet over our transfer policy. Even now when we are desperate for a striker we are getting a cut price Japanese international who will need time to settle etc...last night showed we have no quality in depth...

 

As I said and some of can argue until u are blue in the face, unless we can get 3-4 quality players in we will struggle to hold down a play off...

 

No investment = no promotion

 

You make it sound so easy - stick to being a bedroom manager on FM.

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NC is looking out for the financial stability of the club and I can't blame him for that, for all that it supposedly lacks 'ambition'.

 

Adkins said that Cork was his number 1 summer target and we signed him, but if Chelsea had asked for £10m or even £6m I dare say NC would have said no. The opinion of some on here seems to be that we should sign the top targets regardless of cost. Not for me I'm afraid.

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Sorry guys but cortese does need to sort it out. We are flushing away a golden opportunity because we have not invested in the squad. Anyone can bid for players, that doesn't show ambition...tellingly none of our bids are ever accepted...sharp, hooper etc

It is time cortese got these deals done!! £15 mill for oxo, great by if we wont spend it then what was the point??

We have had months to scout and plan knowing the squad wasn't strong enough...just smacks of cortese and his ego getting in the way of deals getting done.

Saints only seem to want a bargain ala cork, chappers, lee...well when all is said and done and we have messed up this golden opportunity I hope posters who blindly think cortese can do no wrong will recognise this is where it wrong

 

 

 

Simple formula for the half wits

 

No investment = no promotion

 

So everybody who doesn't agree with you on a matter that you do not know anything for sure about is a half-wit? What a half-witted thing to say.

 

Especially half-witted is your contention that Cork, Chapper, Lee, etc, are cheap options, therefore by your half-witted reasoning no good. Presumably bringing in players like them, Hooiveld and De Ridder doesn't count as investment for some reason. Although we are second over halfway through the season, if we stayed there and got promoted, it will disprove your little theory, because as you say, we have not invested. :rolleyes:

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Our chairman wants to sign 7m rated players for 3m and sell 3m rated players for 10m

 

Clubs/agents will simply stop dealing with us!

 

At last, recognition of an astute businessman! Seems that many experts on here would wish him to do it the other way around, spend more than a player is worth and sell for less than a player is worth. And clubs and agents will respect us for our policy and realise that we are not a soft touch they can take advantage of. If we have a player that they want, they will have to deal with us and pay the price we want. If you reckon that they will stop dealing with us, then great. We get to keep the Oxlade-Chamberlains, Bales and Walcotts of the future.

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The problem we have is that we need to buy better than what we've got.... And with that in mind those clubs that have those players don't want to let them go...

You want quality, it's not as easy as some people seem to think...

 

Spot on again Daren. It is hard to find players that will improve the team and competition for places. These players are with clubs who want to keep hold of them at all costs, and the only way to prize them away is with an over value bid, and this is not a road I believe we should go down. Do supporters forget the state we got into a few years back, and the state those down the road are in. Football clubs like any other business and personal finances need to live in their means. Do NOT break the bank!

 

NC is doing a great job, and is still well within his 5 year plan with 2 years to spare. Would another season in this league be so bad?

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Under Pardew we acquired some very good players. We then got Les Reed taking up the "Director of Football" role. Pardew left. That maybe relevant to the decline in player acquisition quality and not Cortese. Cortese however hired Reed and appointed him.

 

It is also true that the sudden death of Marcus will have thrown a question mark on all parts of his business empire and we are a small part.

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I am so glad that this board only speaks for a very small percentage of Saints fan, as some on here really need to take a long hard look at themselves, and get a grip! What a fantastic couple of years it has been, with a cup final and promotion. The promotion coming in the season that Marcus sadly passed away, and now sat in second place.

 

NC policy and stance has never changed, he will not break the bank, and will try to balance the books, and rightly so. He will not be held to ransom.

 

Perhaps the Saints fans need to take a look at themselves and if we got 30k through the turnstiles we would have more of a budget to spend on players.

 

Again, I am still proud to be a Saints fan, and very happy with the job the NA and NC are doing at the club. We are still way ahead of the 5 year plan, and over achieving at the moment in 2nd. Give it a chance lads and it will come together again soon.

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If you put Guly in front of a quality midfield of course he'll score. But a decent player who could play football would score and contribute to the team.

 

He needs serious work on his touch, but some of his finishing is great. No supply yesterday!

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This thread is laughable, we really do have some mongs as fans.

We are never going to pay 8-10mil for Hooper. Nor will anyone else, hence why he is still at Celtic.

We are not Man City.

We are making good progess as a club after we were almost killed by previous regimes, people need to remember where we were 2 and a half years ago.

Yes this is a great chance to go up but its hardly a disaster if we end up in the play offs.

 

We were top for 20-odd games and had the chance to pull away, but YOU are happy with the playoffs.

 

And you call us "mongs"...

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What do we buy these players with? The magic beans that many thought Lowe kept hidden which should have been used to purchase that famed Ambition that the brain dead kept going on about. Just as with Lowe if the money aint there it aint there.

 

Cortese is just an employee of the club, not the owner so I can't believe if he is sitting on a pot of cash he is choosing not to spend it as it is very much in his interest to get the club promoted. Marcus is gone and now the ownership of the club rests in his family who have very little interest in football in general much less a club in a foreign land that their husband/Father purchased shortly before his death.

 

The club is running at a heavy day to day loss and even with the Chamberlain money the Liebherr family have still made a substantial loss of SFC and continue to do so with each passing day. It's unrealsitic to think they are going to spend millions more on new players.

 

We have dramatically overacheived this season, many of us thought a mid-table finish was the best we could hope for.

 

Yes, we got hammered yesterday, but was that a surprise? If you look at the Leicester team 1 thru 11 that was on the pitch last night, I don't think I would pick one of our players over theirs.

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It does seem this way. I wouldn't be surprised to see us for sale in the summer based on the recent lack of ambition.

 

 

I have been saying this for ages, The slow death of the mali group is ongoing and the girls have no interest in SFC they prefer to spend daddys money on cruise ships and the ski slopes. I think unofficialy SFC is for sale as we speak and if a buyer came in with a sensible offer they wouldnt bat an eyelid.

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If I'm correct, Cortese gets a big fat bonus of I think £2m if we get promoted. I'd say that he probably wants to achieve that. I don't think anyone knows how he does business, but I daresay there are a few stereotypes floating around out there, many of them based on watching the Godfather trilogy.

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They all share the fact that they play up front? They also share the fact that the media has linked them with pretty much every upper championship and lower premiership team (well except for Hooper).

 

Some of the above so far have an average championship record (Beckford, Mackaill Smith, Lukas etc). Others, like Hooper have an excellent track record.

 

One things for certain, we will have scouted all of the above, and know we have placed bids for c. 3 of them. We don't know whether our bids were ridiculously low, or whether their current teams simply don't want to sell, or whether the players themselves simply didn't want to join us.

 

How you can bash Cortese based on such unknowns is beyond me.

You can if you have an agenda and Dune has got one. He has attacked Cortese since he got here for reasons best known to himself and I am really surprised that people keep rising to the bait. If you ignore him he will go into a huddle with Hypo and a few of his mates - but so what - we needn't bother with him!

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I'm starting to believe that Cortese is the new Lowe in our lives. It's not that we don't have the money as we've not spent any of the £12mill we got from the Oxo deal; only cheap loanee's and the like (sound familiar?). We were woefully inept last night. You can say that Adkins won't go into the transfer market until he finds suitable cover but you could easily have replaced Guly and Connelly with a rocking horse and got more thrust and guile :-( We urgently need quality back-up for times like these. All the fans around me last night could see the shortcomings. How comes Adkins, who works with the squad week-in, week-out, can’t see it as well.

 

The only thing I can justify the lack of transfer activity with is that Cortese is still on his five year plan and getting promoted this season would be too early. That's the only thing I can think of. I put a lot of effort into following the team around the country (my choice I know) but I don't think that Cortese has the same commitment this season :-(

 

Sorry for the depressing ramble and, after all, we are still second in the league however, I fear, not for too much longer. What a waste of such a good start this could end up being.

 

I hope this post comes back to haunt me at the end of the season.

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Spot on again Daren. It is hard to find players that will improve the team and competition for places. These players are with clubs who want to keep hold of them at all costs, and the only way to prize them away is with an over value bid, and this is not a road I believe we should go down. Do supporters forget the state we got into a few years back, and the state those down the road are in. Football clubs like any other business and personal finances need to live in their means. Do NOT break the bank!

 

NC is doing a great job, and is still well within his 5 year plan with 2 years to spare. Would another season in this league be so bad?

 

And in a week where a football club that overspent is faced a wind up order, you'd think we'd be a bit more careful...

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Spot on again Daren. It is hard to find players that will improve the team and competition for places. These players are with clubs who want to keep hold of them at all costs, and the only way to prize them away is with an over value bid, and this is not a road I believe we should go down. Do supporters forget the state we got into a few years back, and the state those down the road are in. Football clubs like any other business and personal finances need to live in their means. Do NOT break the bank!

 

NC is doing a great job, and is still well within his 5 year plan with 2 years to spare. Would another season in this league be so bad?

 

Don't disagree, but Cortese is the one banging on about being the "Barcelona of the South". I don't see where running the club like a corner shop fits into that plan.

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Don't disagree, but Cortese is the one banging on about being the "Barcelona of the South". I don't see where running the club like a corner shop fits into that plan.

 

I think he mentioned adopting a Barcelona model of bringing through home grown players and integrating with some more experienced aquisitions. Hardly banging on about being the "Barcelona of the South" is it?

 

Love how many on here seem to have the insight and knowledge as to know how to run a football club. It seems that you only need to throw around few million of ML's hard earnt cash at the whim of fan base.

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I think he mentioned adopting a Barcelona model of bringing through home grown players and integrating with some more experienced aquisitions. Hardly banging on about being the "Barcelona of the South" is it?

 

Love how many on here seem to have the insight and knowledge as to know how to run a football club. It seems that you only need to throw around few million of ML's hard earnt cash at the whim of fan base.

 

We all have opinions on our football club, otherwise we wouldn't be on here. My opinion is that if we are serious about promotion this season we need strength in depth, which means spending some of the £12mill we got for Chamberlain.

 

Bringing through young players is what virtually every club is trying to do.

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He needs to get his arse into gear and get in the players the manager wants. And once he's got those players in he needs to keep his nose out and let the manager manage them.

 

I won't even read the rest of your drivel, you are a well known WUM, and post for effect, not only here, but all over the forum. You, along with the likes of Alps, Dalak, Saint Lard Sour Mash, go out of you way to post controversial crap, in the full knowledge that it will illicit a response, how the Mods let you get away with it, is beyond me.

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We all have opinions on our football club, otherwise we wouldn't be on here. My opinion is that if we are serious about promotion this season we need strength in depth, which means spending some of the £12mill we got for Chamberlain.

 

Bringing through young players is what virtually every club is trying to do.

 

Well, we have probably spent over 1/4 of the oxo money so far...and we've had confirmed bids for other players so it's not like we've been completely inactive thus far so I have every expectation that we will see more money spent. But if some or most of that money has to go towards balancing the books then so be it, I can understand that.

 

Yes, every club would like to bring youngsters through but not many have the infrasture and ability to actually do it successfully like we do.

 

My original point though was that just because NC talked about adopting a Barca model, it doesn't mean you can have the expectation that we will be making multi million pound signings. It's all relative.

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Turkish compiled this list:

 

Craig Mackaill Smith

Charlie Austin

Billy Sharp

Jay Rodriqiuez

Jermain Beckford

Nicky Maynard

Gary Hooper

Jordan Rhodes

Lukas Jutekitz

 

What do all these names have in common?

 

Is it rumours put out in the public domain by the club? No?

 

Is it derisory offers the club have made knowing the selling clubs would never accept? Like the supposed 250k for CMS!

 

Or, is it unsubstantiated rumours and prevarication fed to the press to fool fans into thinking we have ambition?

 

Really, all those knocking the doubters, wake up. We may still sign someone but it is clear that we do not have the ambition to which we purport. It's clear in Adkins' body language that he tried and failed and has gone back on his own words. He almost seems like he is hiding something.

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What do we buy these players with? The magic beans that many thought Lowe kept hidden which should have been used to purchase that famed Ambition that the brain dead kept going on about. Just as with Lowe if the money aint there it aint there.

 

Cortese is just an employee of the club, not the owner so I can't believe if he is sitting on a pot of cash he is choosing not to spend it as it is very much in his interest to get the club promoted. Marcus is gone and now the ownership of the club rests in his family who have very little interest in football in general much less a club in a foreign land that their husband/Father purchased shortly before his death.

 

The club is running at a heavy day to day loss and even with the Chamberlain money the Liebherr family have still made a substantial loss of SFC and continue to do so with each passing day. It's unrealsitic to think they are going to spend millions more on new players.

 

We have dramatically overacheived this season, many of us thought a mid-table finish was the best we could hope for.

 

Yes, we got hammered yesterday, but was that a surprise? If you look at the Leicester team 1 thru 11 that was on the pitch last night, I don't think I would pick one of our players over theirs.

A very fine post. The one glaring oversight though is that we have bid £4m for Hooper, so some money is there, we just don't seem to be able to get anyone with it.
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