dune Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 He needs to get his arse into gear and get in the players the manager wants. And once he's got those players in he needs to keep his nose out and let the manager manage them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashby Saint Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 My only comment on Cortese is that he has allegedly said he wants us to go up as champions. If this is true, then he must also know it requires significant investment. If you talk the talk then walk the walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Dont know how u can criticise cortese really ? Since hes been in charge we have probably made more progress than nearly every other team in england Remember where we where when we was gettin relegated in administration and lookin like the club would go under Ungratefull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lymsaint Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 What evidence do you have for this latest winge, how do you know he is not chasing the players NC wants and why do you think he is involved in the team management? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Yes, I agree. I was thinking overnight that his attitude to transfer activity is beginning to resemble Rupert Lowe's. Do it late, do it foreign, and above all.....do it cheap. As mittigating circumstance I offer the fact that we simply dont know how the game plan changed with the death of ML. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2012 He's offered 4 mil for a player Celtic would never let go for that amount. Impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Yes, I agree. I was thinking overnight that his attitude to transfer activity is beginning to resemble Rupert Lowe's. Do it late, do it foreign, and above all.....do it cheap. As mittigating circumstance I offer the fact that we simply dont know how the game plan changed with the death of ML. of all the complete bolox you write i think this tops it all. you sir are a drama queen of the highest order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 He's offered 4 mil for a player Celtic would never let go for that amount. Impressive. Would you offer top money for a house that knowbody else was in for straight away, if so you're a mug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2012 of all the complete bolox you write i think this tops it all. you sir are a drama queen of the highest order. Where has the ambition gone? All I see now is complacency and wishful thinking. Have the Liebherrs lost interest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Would you offer top money for a house that knowbody else was in for straight away, if so you're a mug. If NA wanted him then an ambitious club would back the manager and get him his man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Worst thread i've seen on here in a long time. We simply don't know what is happening behind the scenes, so how can we discuss it. Cortese, might well be offering silly low bids, but equally he might be being rebuffed by chairmen demanding £35m or more for £7m players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2012 What evidence do you have for this latest winge, how do you know he is not chasing the players NC wants and why do you think he is involved in the team management? jasonpunch Jason Puncheon Most of u fail to understand that only reason I train with the kids is cos of nicolina not the manager Whatever your views of Puncheon I don't think he's lieing, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Dune, Puncheon has an agenda and your using only half the facts to suit your argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Where has the ambition gone? All I see now is complacency and wishful thinking. Have the Liebherrs lost interest? I was told last night that they had little interest to begin with. Will be widely abused for posting that but it doesn't seem the most unlikely of scenarios. IMO we are massively weaker since Markus died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Worst thread i've seen on here in a long time. We simply don't know what is happening behind the scenes, so how can we discuss it. Cortese, might well be offering silly low bids, but equally he might be being rebuffed by chairmen demanding £35m or more for £7m players. Turkish compiled this list: Craig Mackaill Smith Charlie Austin Billy Sharp Jay Rodriqiuez Jermain Beckford Nicky Maynard Gary Hooper Jordan Rhodes Lukas Jutekitz What do all these names have in common? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Would take the OP seriously if he knew who NA wants and the extent of our transfer activity and he knew that Cortese micromanaged. As he knows neither, fair to say its boll*cks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 (edited) Where has the ambition gone? All I see now is complacency and wishful thinking. Have the Liebherrs lost interest? Like some of the other immature posters on here, this is just about wanting see Saints spend millions and millions just to satisfy your desperate need to see it happen. Is ambition the same thing as bending over a barrel and paying whatever anyone wants? Would it have definitely stopped us from losing last night? And this coming from a man who complains about having to put money into the club at any given opportunity. Edited 24 January, 2012 by Dig Dig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Dune, Puncheon has an agenda and your using only half the facts to suit your argument. Of course he has an agenda, but that doesn't make him a liar. I believe him. Can you imagine the UPROAR if Rupert had done this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Turkish compiled this list: What do all these names have in common? All footballers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellish Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 He needs to get his arse into gear and get in the players the manager wants. And once he's got those players in he needs to keep his nose out and let the manager manage them. how the f@@k do you no whats going on ffs ,bloody spoilt brat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 I was told last night that they had little interest to begin with. Will be widely abused for posting that but it doesn't seem the most unlikely of scenarios. IMO we are massively weaker since Markus died. Was that the same person who told you that Saints "had too much money" last year? Or is it another one of your imaginary little friends talking to you this time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2012 I was told last night that they had little interest to begin with. Will be widely abused for posting that but it doesn't seem the most unlikely of scenarios. IMO we are massively weaker since Markus died. It does seem this way. I wouldn't be surprised to see us for sale in the summer based on the recent lack of ambition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 This is about the 4th time the op had posted this trying to get a reaction. Shameless wummery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowds Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 I've been left thinking the same recently, puncheons comments, rumours Nigel new nothing about De Ridder, Lee. Pardew new nothing about Guly/Waigo etc. Sounds to me like Cortese needs to manage the company not get involved with the playing squad. I can't help but think our transfer business is half arsed/naive at best... Did t Barry fry say we bid a pitifull 650k for CMS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2012 how the f@@k do you no whats going on ffs ,bloody spoilt brat jasonpunch Jason Puncheon Most of u fail to understand that only reason I train with the kids is cos of nicolina not the manager Should the decision rest with the manager or the chairman? Would you have been happy if Rupert had picked the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Turkish compiled this list: Craig Mackaill Smith Charlie Austin Billy Sharp Jay Rodriqiuez Jermain Beckford Nicky Maynard Gary Hooper Jordan Rhodes Lukas Jutekitz What do all these names have in common? That plenty of other teams have been in for them and failed? Do you know why those bids -if they're actually true- failed? And if they failed, how far they were down to fees? And if they were down to fees, how far did we penny pinch or were being held to ransom? Etc, etc, etc. Stick to the div board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2012 I've been left thinking the same recently, puncheons comments, rumours Nigel new nothing about De Ridder, Lee. Pardew new nothing about Guly/Waigo etc. Sounds to me like Cortese needs to manage the company not get involved with the playing squad. I can't help but think our transfer business is half arsed/naive at best... Did t Barry fry say we bid a pitifull 650k for CMS? I hope you've got your tin hat at the ready. Views like yours aren't welcome on the SWF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 This post is the biggest load of guff on here in a long time. Either Dune is totally deluded, or he is on a wind-up, as he does not have the slightest inkling of what in in Cortese's mind. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Of course he has an agenda, but that doesn't make him a liar. I believe him. Can you imagine the UPROAR if Rupert had done this? Lowe took us down and ended up raping our club, Cortese has stabilised a sinking ship with a fecked hull and taken us up and IMO will continue to do so, bloody hell we're still right up there (better than anybody could really have imagined) and we ARE bidding for good quality players, it's not like he isn't doing anything ffs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Most retarded thread ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 jasonpunch Jason Puncheon Most of u fail to understand that only reason I train with the kids is cos of nicolina not the manager Should the decision rest with the manager or the chairman? Would you have been happy if Rupert had picked the team? And do what instead? Don't know if its true but NA said on film that he couldn't play puncheon because otherwise saints would lose the right to sell him - something about transfer rules. In those circumstances, why is there need for him to feature? And why aren't we justified in holding out - unless you want him to go for a nominal fee and that's simply moronic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Turkish compiled this list: Craig Mackaill Smith Charlie Austin Billy Sharp Jay Rodriqiuez Jermain Beckford Nicky Maynard Gary Hooper Jordan Rhodes Lukas Jutekitz What do all these names have in common? They all share the fact that they play up front? They also share the fact that the media has linked them with pretty much every upper championship and lower premiership team (well except for Hooper). Some of the above so far have an average championship record (Beckford, Mackaill Smith, Lukas etc). Others, like Hooper have an excellent track record. One things for certain, we will have scouted all of the above, and know we have placed bids for c. 3 of them. We don't know whether our bids were ridiculously low, or whether their current teams simply don't want to sell, or whether the players themselves simply didn't want to join us. How you can bash Cortese based on such unknowns is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Worst thread i've seen on here in a long time. We simply don't know what is happening behind the scenes, so how can we discuss it. Cortese, might well be offering silly low bids, but equally he might be being rebuffed by chairmen demanding £35m or more for £7m players. Until we KNOW anything different, I'm with Joensu! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Lowe took us down and ended up raping our club, Cortese has stabilised a sinking ship with a fecked hull and taken us up and IMO will continue to do so, bloody hell we're still right up there (better than anybody could really have imagined) and we ARE bidding for good quality players, it's not like he isn't doing anything ffs! Anyone can keep putting in derisory offers for players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 I've been left thinking the same recently, puncheons comments, rumours Nigel new nothing about De Ridder, Lee. Pardew new nothing about Guly/Waigo etc. Sounds to me like Cortese needs to manage the company not get involved with the playing squad. I can't help but think our transfer business is half arsed/naive at best... Did t Barry fry say we bid a pitifull 650k for CMS? Funny how all these little worms start coming out of the woodwork at the same time. So where did this rumour come from that NC identifies and brings in players without the managers say so? I'm sure Pards would have walked and I'm sure NA would as well if our transfers are dictated to the manager. They are not idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 I hope you've got your tin hat at the ready. Views like yours aren't welcome on the SWF. Hang on if you leave it completely up to the manager and all a chairman does is sign the cheques which is what Redknapp didn't pompey you end up with a club in big trouble very quickly, is that what you want? And as for Barry bull***t on CMS yet again you don't know if he's telling the truth do you cos let's face it most other club look at us with distain according to most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2012 They all share the fact that they play up front? They also share the fact that the media has linked them with pretty much every upper championship and lower premiership team (well except for Hooper). Some of the above so far have an average championship record (Beckford, Mackaill Smith, Lukas etc). Others, like Hooper have an excellent track record. One things for certain, we will have scouted all of the above, and know we have placed bids for c. 3 of them. We don't know whether our bids were ridiculously low, or whether their current teams simply don't want to sell, or whether the players themselves simply didn't want to join us. How you can bash Cortese based on such unknowns is beyond me. So are you saying Brighton or Leicester are far more appealing clubs to play for than Saints? You're burying your head in the sand. There's something not right going on and I feel sorry for Adkins. Pardew wouldn't have put up with it so it's no surprise to me he didn't reign long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Hang on if you leave it completely up to the manager and all a chairman does is sign the cheques which is what Redknapp didn't pompey you end up with a club in big trouble very quickly, is that what you want? And as for Barry bull***t on CMS yet again you don't know if he's telling the truth do you cos let's face it most other club look at us with distain according to most. 650K is a reasonable price for CMS anyway, especially considering he didn't have long left on his contract at the time. He's a very limited striker so I'm glad we didn't pay over 2MM and offer him huge wages like Brighton did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2012 650K is a reasonable price for CMS anyway, especially considering he didn't have long left on his contract at the time. He's a very limited striker so I'm glad we didn't pay over 2MM and offer him huge wages like Brighton did. How can you be glad we didn't sign a quality centre forward. In front our midfield he'd have made two of Guly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambol2K9 Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 He needs to get his arse into gear and get in the players the manager wants. And once he's got those players in he needs to keep his nose out and let the manager manage them. I'd love to know how you know this to be true. My guess is that you're just speculating and have absolutely no idea whats going on behind closed doors. Am i right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 I don't think a thread like this is fair, but he does have his faults. He's brought us more success than not and I think you need to judge him on the bigger picture rather than a couple of secanrios in transfer windows. At the end of the day I don't think we have bucket loads to spend, that's not his problem. And he's being careful protecting what we have got by not splashing more than we feel a player is worth. We'll struggle to get who we ever want that way, unless the club is forced to sell, but maybe that's how we have to act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 How can you be glad we didn't sign a quality centre forward. In front our midfield he'd have made two of Guly. Because he isn't a quality centre forward. He runs around like a headless chicken most of the time and is actually not too great a finisher either... needs 4 or 5 chances just to get 1. As I said, I'm happy to let someone else pay over the odds for players which are good for 5 minutes and are all of a sudden hailed as some kind of footballing god which we definitely missed out on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowds Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Funny how all these little worms start coming out of the woodwork at the same time. So where did this rumour come from that NC identifies and brings in players without the managers say so? I'm sure Pards would have walked and I'm sure NA would as well if our transfers are dictated to the manager. They are not idiots. Little worms? Why because I've posted on a topic that I felt I had an opinion on? Managers are not idiots that's true but they are still being paid by someone with more authority... There's no smoke without fire. Honest opinion, right now we have been found out! Teams know how to play us and with two or three I juries wee are shown our complete lack of strength in depth. Cortese says he wants us to go up, the. He must realise there are 5/6 teams with better equipped squads than us right now. This is a great opportunity for us to go up but only if he realises he needs to spend. We didn't need to to sell Oxo apparently so why aren't we spending the money, am I suggesting panic buying... Maybe or is this a chance to hit the big time with an investment in a transfer window we all know is a hard and overpriced time to buy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsfc Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 So of all the players that we haven't signed (because cortese is bad at his job) who has signed for one of our rivals - Jutkiewicz (boro), Beckford (Leicester) - that's it. Maynard, Sharp, Rodriguez, Hooper are 4 players we were very keen on but not one has left their club yet. So by that logic every other chairman in the league is also not doing a very good job and none of them have ambition. You don't just throw money around to keep some fans happy for christ sakes or you'll end up like pompey. You identify players that could improve your squad and try to get them for a price that the club can afford. If teams want silly money then don't pay it. I'd rather be prudently run and take another year or two to get where most fans want us to be than spunk loads of money for a short term fix to appease a minority of impatient fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Because he isn't a quality centre forward. He runs around like a headless chicken most of the time and is actually not too great a finisher either... needs 4 or 5 chances just to get 1. As I said, I'm happy to let someone else pay over the odds for players which are good for 5 minutes and are all of a sudden hailed as some kind of footballing god which we definitely missed out on. So you'd rather have Connelly (who is past it) or Guly (who never had it)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerceSaint28 Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Sorry guys but cortese does need to sort it out. We are flushing away a golden opportunity because we have not invested in the squad. Anyone can bid for players, that doesn't show ambition...tellingly none of our bids are ever accepted...sharp, hooper etc It is time cortese got these deals done!! £15 mill for oxo, great by if we wont spend it then what was the point?? We have had months to scout and plan knowing the squad wasn't strong enough...just smacks of cortese and his ego getting in the way of deals getting done. Saints only seem to want a bargain ala cork, chappers, lee...well when all is said and done and we have messed up this golden opportunity I hope posters who blindly think cortese can do no wrong will recognise this is where it wrong Simple formula for the half wits No investment = no promotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Craig Mackaill Smith (a ton of clubs were in for him, including WHU and Leicester - average NPC record. glad we didn't get him) Charlie Austin (never had a chance once NPC teams came calling and Ipswich were outbid by Burnley) Billy Sharp (if reports are true, we had a decent bid accepted but he didn't want to leave for private reasons - note he's subsequently rejected Leicester who rolled out the red carpet) Jay Rodriqiuez (again if reports are true, we put a decent bid in but he wanted to stay close to home and establish himself -arguably to attract bigger and better suitors) Jermain Beckford (god knows what he was picking up each week at Everton- but happy we didn't go in for him. Last night confirmed that relief) Nicky Maynard (playing hardball in his last season at Bristol and believes he'll be going straight to the Prem once he's on a free- never a chance) Gary Hooper (some people say £4m, others say £7m - decent money by anyone's standards but the politics -from title challenges to contract negotiations- were very complex such that the approach was always a long-shot) Jordan Rhodes (never a chance he was going to leave udders mid season -the lad is too sensible and knows he has time on his side. When it does come, he';; be a cheap gamble for quite a few prem teams) Lukas Jutekitz (i thought he offered something; but many didn't and there's no point spunking your lot on a player who's only 50-50. Its not like anyone can afford to stockpile centre-forwards. you only get one chance) [/b] All this is conjecture; but at least I'm happy to acknowledge it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Sorry guys but cortese does need to sort it out. We are flushing away a golden opportunity because we have not invested in the squad. Anyone can bid for players, that doesn't show ambition...tellingly none of our bids are ever accepted...sharp, hooper etc It is time cortese got these deals done!! £15 mill for oxo, great by if we wont spend it then what was the point?? We have had months to scout and plan knowing the squad wasn't strong enough...just smacks of cortese and his ego getting in the way of deals getting done. Saints only seem to want a bargain ala cork, chappers, lee...well when all is said and done and we have messed up this golden opportunity I hope posters who blindly think cortese can do no wrong will recognise this is where it wrong Simple formula for the half wits No investment = no promotion You're assuming we can invest heavily. That looks like it's probably not the case. For all we know that Alex money was used to cover the losses and it's nowhere to be seen anymore. People need to forget that we're owned by billionaires, because they're not bankrolling us. We're living and surviving by being self sustainable, not emga spenders - I'm sure of it. That's why I think the 7/6m bids for players are wide from the mark. I can't ever see us spending that much in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsfc Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 So you'd rather have Connelly (who is past it) or Guly (who never had it)? Are you serious about Guly? 11 goals (as many goals from open play as Lambert I think), half a dozen assists in his first season at a level he's never played at before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2012 So of all the players that we haven't signed (because cortese is bad at his job) who has signed for one of our rivals - Jutkiewicz (boro), Beckford (Leicester) - that's it. Maynard, Sharp, Rodriguez, Hooper are 4 players we were very keen on but not one has left their club yet. So by that logic every other chairman in the league is also not doing a very good job and none of them have ambition. You don't just throw money around to keep some fans happy for christ sakes or you'll end up like pompey. You identify players that could improve your squad and try to get them for a price that the club can afford. If teams want silly money then don't pay it. I'd rather be prudently run and take another year or two to get where most fans want us to be than spunk loads of money for a short term fix to appease a minority of impatient fans FFS, why aren't you buying into to the ambitious dreams of Nicola Cortese. FFS, with attitudes like yours we'll never play in the champions league in front of 50,000 home fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts