alpine_saint Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Whatever league we will be in, at the end of May NC and NA should pack their bags, leave SMS and each other behind, go away somewhere nice with the wives and kids and get their noses sunburnt. Two or three weeks later they should come back and immediately work night-and-day on securing the additions needed to get us promoted or keep us in the PL. Two-thirds of their targets should be in place for first day of training, rest of them by end of August. No exceptions. FORGET THE JANUARY WINDOW as part of a coherent transfer strategy. Its expensive, labour intensive, and full of wind and p*ss in terms of achieving desired results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacey Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 FFS mate theres along way to go yet.....dont write saints off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Yawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 To be honest I think they've worked their absolute arses off, this window and the summer window. The fact seems to be that we will not pay the prices clubs want. We're not after squad players/reserve players anymore, we're after teams established first team stars - so the selling club dictate the situation and put a price on the players head that is above what we value them, as we would do in our situation. Sometimes though you need to loosen the strings and just go the extra mile to get that 1 player that could make the whole difference, but based on the last 3 windows I don't think we've got the real 'clout' to do that and Cortese isn't the sort of guy to over spend. That's my take on it anyway, but I certainly don't think we've been sat around doing nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Alpine makes a good point. I think the difference with this season was a "see how we do" strategy with a couple of additions and I believe most people were happy with that. It went far better than anyone expected and we find ourselves with a great opportunity of going up this season. The January window is certainly not the way to do it, but due to over-performing it's the necessary route to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 It's the selling club that delay transfers. Partly they want to tout around for other offers, partly they want time to recruit a replacement. Not sure how you'd get round that really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Who makes the decision on how much a player is worth? NA? NC? Les Reed? FM2012? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Who makes the decision on how much a player is worth? NA? NC? Les Reed? FM2012? The ''committee' which I think includes NC, Reed and one of our scouts. (NA Obviously has input too) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 The ''committee' which I think includes NC, Reed and one of our scouts. (NA Obviously has input too) Maybe our first signing should be a new committee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 The point is well made I think. Transfers are seemingly easier to do in the close season. It is a gamble having to rely on the January window to get a squad decent enough to complete the job. Somebody said this week (forget who) that finding a good player to sign in January is a bit like trying to find a unicorn. Having said that, I think you have to say that our great start might be down to *not* doing a massive amount of business over the close season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 The ''committee' which I think includes NC, Reed and one of our scouts. (NA Obviously has input too)And FM2012 obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 we're bidding for players like Hooper who are never going to sign for us until we're in the Premier League. We needed to aim a little lower for players like Juktiewitz and Vokes who are obtainable and would do the job for us we need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 More tripe, I didn't make it past the first sentence, I can't believe you want NA and NC to leave ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 More tripe, I didn't make it past the first sentence, I can't believe you want NA and NC to leave ffs.Fishing or own goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 I agree about the January window, all managers say how difficult it is to do business compared to the close season, but there is still a week left, if you look at the stats most of the deals happen in the last couple of days when the negotiations get a bit more pressured. We know how NC and NA keep things quiet, just sit tight for a couple more days and see what happens, I still feel we may pull something out the bag yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 As Alps posts go. this makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Is there actually a club that uses this transfer strategy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Yawn. Did you even bother to read it? Or saw who posted it and decided to make another retarded post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Fair post. I don't pretend to know the first thing about how football transfers work, but it would bloody nice to have our business sown up early in future! Of course this will be easier next season as we'll be a PL team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 FFS mate theres along way to go yet.....dont write saints off tbf he hasn't in this post. Alpine clearly states "whatever league we may be in..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 With respect Alps it's been known for a while now that we like to do all our business behind closed doors, so how do we know NA and NC haven't spent every waking moment identifying targets, watching DVD's of players, putting bids in, sending scouts out, holding talks with players etc etc.... Perhaps a) some clubs just don't want to let players leave and b) some players don't want to come here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westofshannonsaint Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 I still think Saints did some good business in the last window. The team that started this season was better than the one that finished last season & currently sit in 2nd - a position we would all have excepted in august. However, it is a little concerning that we are still looking for players to cover the same positions that we were in the summer. And, how many more players do we bring in before the squad becomes bloated? all that said this year I think we're trying to "settle for the playoffs" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 tbf he hasn't in this post. Alpine clearly states "whatever league we may be in..." Well, from other posts we all know Alps doesn't think we'll be promoted: he's already written us off (going by quotes only - apologies), so presume he thinks we'll be relegated. That should keep all the masochists happy. As Adriansfc has spointed out, some posters predict outcomes and trumpet their rightness to the skies (yes Alps, Burley was a disaster) but never acknowledge when they are wrong. That blindness of vision and monothematic posts is the reason I, for the first time in nearly 20 years on the internet now send someone to DEV/NULL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 I agree. Not sure who with though, but judging by all the comments above I mustn't side with Alps as he only ever says something negative (even if it occasionally makes sense like this one). At least I did bother to read the OP, unlike alot of the people who have commented on here so far! PS Still couldn't find the negativity in the OP post so I will keep reading it until it does.....because it was negative, right?? Must be. It's Alps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Its appears that these days transfers are much more difficult to complete with higher wages, agents fees and much more competition from other clubs. Transfer fees have increased massively in the Championship recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Alpine writes contentious comment in other thread. Loves attention it brings. Expands it into its own thread. Waits for reaction. Feels persecuted. Yawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2012 I agree. Not sure who with though, but judging by all the comments above I mustn't side with Alps as he only ever says something negative (even if it occasionally makes sense like this one). At least I did bother to read the OP, unlike alot of the people who have commented on here so far! PS Still couldn't find the negativity in the OP post so I will keep reading it until it does.....because it was negative, right?? Must be. It's Alps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Alpine writes contentious comment in other thread. Loves attention it brings. Expands it into its own thread. Waits for reaction. Feels persecuted. Yawn. Wow, not only are people now not reading my posts properly, they are seeing posts that dont even exist. Isnt anyone who starts a thread sort of "waiting for a reaction" ? They are trying to start a DISCUSSION Nowt queer as folk...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Wow, not only are people now not reading my posts properly, they are seeing posts that dont even exist. Sorry, I can't make Monday. Kind of you to ask though. How about next Wednesday instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Isnt anyone who starts a thread sort of "waiting for a reaction" ? They are trying to start a DISCUSSION That was never an elephant, the shadow was all wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 I don't see any logic in writing off at worst being in the top 4 of the Championship going into February 2012 in order to build a team that will firstly have to get us into an equally good position in February 2013 and then push on from there. Much easier to launch a challenge from where we are, there's no guaranteee that the players we want will be there next year anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 I think we had many problems over the summer because many of the targets that we went for were being gazumpped by Leicester and West Ham (and that was the squad players we wanted). The players that we really needed to improve the sqaud (Sharp, Maynard, Rodriguez etc) didn't want to come here or our bids were rebuked or they failed medicals. We did get Jos though but that was on the last day of the transfer window. I get as frustrated as the next person at the lack of transfer activity but I fail to see how spunking big money is going to guarentee anything (a la Leicester). We also have the looming Financial Fair Play rules coming to the fore, something NC wants to actively implement here so we just don't have the money to be able to do that (no matter how rich Marcus' estate may or may not be) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2012 I think we had many problems over the summer because many of the targets that we went for were being gazumpped by Leicester and West Ham (and that was the squad players we wanted). The players that we really needed to improve the sqaud (Sharp, Maynard, Rodriguez etc) didn't want to come here or our bids were rebuked or they failed medicals. We did get Jos though but that was on the last day of the transfer window. I get as frustrated as the next person at the lack of transfer activity but I fail to see how spunking big money is going to guarentee anything (a la Leicester). We also have the looming Financial Fair Play rules coming to the fore, something NC wants to actively implement here so we just don't have the money to be able to do that (no matter how rich Marcus' estate may or may not be) OK, fair enough, but then you and NC shouldnt be surprised if the top two reads "West Ham" and "Leicester" at the end of May........ And then next year we will have three new, fresh parachute payment-receiving teams who dont see things the same way as you and NC, to overcome.. Then as we are thrashing around between 11th and 7th, perhaps you both might dwell on the 4-month top spot that was not capitalised upon this season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 OK, fair enough, but then you and NC shouldnt be surprised if the top two reads "West Ham" and "Leicester" at the end of May........ And then next year we will have three new, fresh parachute payment-receiving teams who dont see things the same way as you and NC, to overcome.. Then as we are thrashing around between 11th and 7th, perhaps you both might dwell on the 4-month top spot that was not capitalised upon this season... Thing is Alps, what can we do to get players "on the bus", if a player doesn't want to come or a team refuse to sell what can you do? Fair enough you can spunk the cash but that has it's own drawbacks and pitfalls, ie new player coming in on higher wage, current top ranked players want same wage, leads to higher HMRC bills etc. etc. And then you've got to contned with injuries and suspensions and the chance of the big money signing not being "all that! I can pretty much guarentee that if we stay top 6 this season and don't get promoted then it will be a lot easier to get players next season (they'll want to come here as there is a better chance of playing in the land of milk and honey the season after). What can we do to contend with the parachute payments? **** all to be honest, especially with these new Financial Fair Play rules that are coming in. All we/NA/NC can do is make the club an attractive porpoistion for incoming players who aren't money orientated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambol2K9 Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Any manager and chairman would love to get their summer business concluded asap and get all of their first choice targets but it just doesn't work like that. The selling club dictates the terms and it makes sense for them to get as many offers in as they can and to push for the largest fee they can get. We'd be foolish to instantly go in with an offer millions above the players valuation, we're not man city FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Whatever league we will be in, at the end of May NC and NA should pack their bags, leave SMS and each other behind, go away somewhere nice with the wives and kids and get their noses sunburnt. Two or three weeks later they should come back and immediately work night-and-day on securing the additions needed to get us promoted or keep us in the PL. Two-thirds of their targets should be in place for first day of training, rest of them by end of August. No exceptions. FORGET THE JANUARY WINDOW as part of a coherent transfer strategy. Its expensive, labour intensive, and full of wind and p*ss in terms of achieving desired results. In which case you will be pleased to hear that NA and NC have already started to identify summer targets even before they book their holidays. January is always a bit of a non event because the decent players are needed to push for promotion of avoid relegation and Championship clubs are not going to want to trade with their nearest rivals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Whatever league we will be in, at the end of May NC and NA should pack their bags, leave SMS and each other behind, go away somewhere nice with the wives and kids and get their noses sunburnt. Two or three weeks later they should come back and immediately work night-and-day on securing the additions needed to get us promoted or keep us in the PL. Two-thirds of their targets should be in place for first day of training, rest of them by end of August. No exceptions. FORGET THE JANUARY WINDOW as part of a coherent transfer strategy. Its expensive, labour intensive, and full of wind and p*ss in terms of achieving desired results. I'm sure that Cortese and Adkins will be grateful for your advice, perhaps you should send them an e-mail outlining the full strategy which you require them to follow !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 As Alps posts go. this makes sense I got kicked in the balls yesterday. As kicks in the balls go, it only left me feeling sore for two or three days. Staggered that people speculate on stuff like this; no informed input whatsoever. Have I missed something? Have we been privy to information about the amount of effort the club put into getting fresh faces in last summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Whatever league we will be in, at the end of May NC and NA should pack their bags, leave SMS and each other behind, go away somewhere nice with the wives and kids and get their noses sunburnt. Two or three weeks later they should come back and immediately work night-and-day on securing the additions needed to get us promoted or keep us in the PL. Two-thirds of their targets should be in place for first day of training, rest of them by end of August. No exceptions. FORGET THE JANUARY WINDOW as part of a coherent transfer strategy. Its expensive, labour intensive, and full of wind and p*ss in terms of achieving desired results. That's the Norwich way and very effective it has proven to be. I pointed this out last June but was told throughout June, July and August that there would be significant signings by the end o f the month, the week, the last day and even the last hour. The posters then changed their tune to say it was never part of the plan. Of course our great start allowed them to ridicule my way of thinking....but whose laughing now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Alpine makes a good point. I think the difference with this season was a "see how we do" strategy with a couple of additions and I believe most people were happy with that. It went far better than anyone expected and we find ourselves with a great opportunity of going up this season. The January window is certainly not the way to do it, but due to over-performing it's the necessary route to take. Agree with the idea of 'see how we do' strategy. I think the management expected us to rub along mid table and made an error of judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Agree with the idea of 'see how we do' strategy. I think the management expected us to rub along mid table and made an error of judgement. Yeah, i think most fans did to be honest. Having not run away with League 1 it was very difficult to see us top of the league 4 months into the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 I reckon you and Dalek should be in charge Alps and you can then spunk all our money on absolute tosh that adds nothing to the squad, but appeases your need for Saints to sign everyone under the sun on July 1st/January1st straight away and WITHOUT DELAY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2012 I'm sure that Cortese and Adkins will be grateful for your advice, perhaps you should send them an e-mail outlining the full strategy which you require them to follow !! I reckon you and Dalek should be in charge Alps and you can then spunk all our money on absolute tosh that adds nothing to the squad, but appeases your need for Saints to sign everyone under the sun on July 1st/January1st straight away and WITHOUT DELAY! This "tell them what they should do because you obviously think you know better" discussion/belittling tactic used to be funny, now its f**king tedious. The whole point of writing on this site is to give ones thoughts and opinions. Pedants like you even do it when someone writes that they think the manager has used to wrong line-up/formation/tactics.... If you dont like people giving their opinon on how to do things, eurosaint, TLS, you've come to the wrong place.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertySFC Posted 25 January, 2012 Share Posted 25 January, 2012 Whatever league we will be in, at the end of May NC and NA should pack their bags, leave SMS and each other behind, go away somewhere nice with the wives and kids and get their noses sunburnt. Two or three weeks later they should come back and immediately work night-and-day on securing the additions needed to get us promoted or keep us in the PL. Two-thirds of their targets should be in place for first day of training, rest of them by end of August. No exceptions. FORGET THE JANUARY WINDOW as part of a coherent transfer strategy. Its expensive, labour intensive, and full of wind and p*ss in terms of achieving desired results. More bed wetting then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 26 January, 2012 Share Posted 26 January, 2012 In pre-season I asked if we could keep a tally of each time saints are written off........it's really weird...... And now in 2nd and more importantly, in January. I'd love to understand the rationale. I feel like I'm missing something. .................... Firstly, don't get too upset, people are merely expressing opinions and making predictions as they see them. No prediction is ever a 'fact' unless it happens. If you divide the fans into two camps, there are the Loyalists and the Sceptics. The Loyalists - which possibly is your camp - are largely people with very strong faith in the club management. Each game won is well-deserved and defeats are mainly due to bad luck that will change before the next game, or the next, or the next..... The Scepics are perhaps the camp you don't understand. Some of the Loyalists don't even see them as supporters. Yet in many ways the Sceptics are even more anxious that the Club succeed. They want the very best for their team and if they see under-performance, whether by management or players they will say so, in the hope that such criticism will encourage more effort. Maybe one way to loook at it is that the Loyalists tend to support the current 11 on the pitch and the coaches, whereas for the Sceptics it is the Football Club itself that matters more than the present personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 26 January, 2012 Share Posted 26 January, 2012 OK, fair enough, but then you and NC shouldnt be surprised if the top two reads "West Ham" and "Leicester" at the end of May........ And then next year we will have three new, fresh parachute payment-receiving teams who dont see things the same way as you and NC, to overcome.. Then as we are thrashing around between 11th and 7th, perhaps you both might dwell on the 4-month top spot that was not capitalised upon this season... Can you confirm who has actually signed for West ham and Leicester in this transfer window as i can only think of a loan move for delfonso to leicester? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_John Posted 26 January, 2012 Share Posted 26 January, 2012 Can I just remind everyone of some quotes from the Echo on the 8 July 2009 (I think we know who the "source" is). A source who knows Liebherr told the Daily Echo last night: “This is a very sensible and serious guy. .... “If he does acquire Saints he will not spend money all over the place, he will be sensible and measured. “But he does understand what he needs to be done. “It seems a long time coming at Southampton but this is the ideal purchaser and one who knows what you’ve got to do to get out of League One and the Championship. “He won’t just go mad and throw money at it, but Southampton are getting a first rate new owner.” http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4479991.Markus_Liebherr_is_the__ideal_owner__for_Saints/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 26 January, 2012 Share Posted 26 January, 2012 Put in 10 mil bids for 20 mil players. It's not every club that can attract the commercial manager from Man City. This club IS going places Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 26 January, 2012 Firstly, don't get too upset, people are merely expressing opinions and making predictions as they see them. No prediction is ever a 'fact' unless it happens. If you divide the fans into two camps, there are the Loyalists and the Sceptics. The Loyalists - which possibly is your camp - are largely people with very strong faith in the club management. Each game won is well-deserved and defeats are mainly due to bad luck that will change before the next game, or the next, or the next..... The Scepics are perhaps the camp you don't understand. Some of the Loyalists don't even see them as supporters. Yet in many ways the Sceptics are even more anxious that the Club succeed. They want the very best for their team and if they see under-performance, whether by management or players they will say so, in the hope that such criticism will encourage more effort. Maybe one way to loook at it is that the Loyalists tend to support the current 11 on the pitch and the coaches, whereas for the Sceptics it is the Football Club itself that matters more than the present personnel. That's an excellent post. where did you copy it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 January, 2012 Share Posted 26 January, 2012 Firstly, don't get too upset, people are merely expressing opinions and making predictions as they see them. No prediction is ever a 'fact' unless it happens. If you divide the fans into two camps, there are the Loyalists and the Sceptics. The Loyalists - which possibly is your camp - are largely people with very strong faith in the club management. Each game won is well-deserved and defeats are mainly due to bad luck that will change before the next game, or the next, or the next..... The Scepics are perhaps the camp you don't understand. Some of the Loyalists don't even see them as supporters. Yet in many ways the Sceptics are even more anxious that the Club succeed. They want the very best for their team and if they see under-performance, whether by management or players they will say so, in the hope that such criticism will encourage more effort. Maybe one way to loook at it is that the Loyalists tend to support the current 11 on the pitch and the coaches, whereas for the Sceptics it is the Football Club itself that matters more than the present personnel. Both of which fall in the 'know f**k all' group to which you obviously belong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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