DT Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Admired Nigel's public support for the players but doubt he is as positive privately. He must know that the squad is paper thin. Big loss was choppers IMO. All else has compounded that. We need muscle and fight, as well as pretty tippy tap. Also need the balls to not play Di Prado occasionally. His lethargy is catching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 You would think they would have guessed what was going to happen before it did. I called it before January so they must have known. They don't have your knowledge of the game though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 I'm shocked that NA chose to play Dan Harding at right back, he's a left back FFS and it took him two touches everytime to put it on his left foot. I could understand if we didn't have any other option but Frazer was on the bench? Adkins must be a good motivater but some decisions as well as his signings are just comical. Rant over. We wondered this too. I assume Richardson is not fully fit (though looked ok on his 70 yard dart!).. If he is then not starting him is madness. In fact the more you think about it the more he must be only fit enough for the bench, he's been excellent this season and there must be a reason for starting a LB at RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 We are desperate for some pace up front. Teams know they push right up on us and press hard because we have no pace whatsoever. Leicester started with Beckford, Dyer and Nugent - all caused problems with their pace, and in the second half they bring on Delfounso. On loan from Villa - just the sort of player we needed to bring on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 The wheels came off a while ago...our form in the last 6 weeks is relegation... I'm often critical of people on this board as I don't feel they really understand how important it is to get new players and I'm not just saying it for the hell of it... Our team has over achieved with the squad we have...we lack quality in depth. Out first eleven when fit is very good but players like holmes, doble, seabourne etc our squad players are not good enough. Tonight we were crying out for a striker...Connolly looked every day a 34 year old and we had no one on the bench to change things. We have had months to prepare our bids for strikers, get them in etc and every time we can't complete a deal... Well failure to add 2 or 3 players will see us not get promoted when we have an amazing opportunity given our position in January. Questions need to be asked about cortese...our financial backing because something is not right.... I going to have to agree with you that one. We needed to add 2 or 3 players minimum in this window Outside of central midfield we have no strength in depth. With Barnard out we needed a first choice centre forward to lead the line and play in front of Barnard. Do Prado is an attacking midfielder before you ask! And with Seabourne out we needed another centreback. To some extent we have ridden our luck to get to the the top of the table - until December that is - since December we have run out of luck. Our first 11 is great but we don't have the strength in depth you need to win a a championship. We have also thrown away our momentum and that hurts. I believe that if we'd bought in Juktiewitz in the loan window before December we'd have been sitting at the top of the table with a clear gap between us and the chasing pack right now. Granted he's no world beater but playing in front of Lambert he'd have been great for us. We certainly could have done with him tonight - we had no out ball to take the pressure off and no pace or power upfront. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Audio now Online: http://audioboo.fm/boos/636077 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 http://audioboo.fm/boos/636077-nigel-adkins-speaking-to-solentsport-after-his-side-s-home-defeat-against-leicester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Adkins' pre-match comments were more worring than his post-match comments. Pre-match he came over as flippant, frivolous and quite frankly, just silly. Comparing that to Nigel Pearson's pre-match interview where he made some sensible and constructive remarks suggested there was a mile of difference between the football professionalism of the two men. I know which I would prefer to have in charge at the SMS. So far, most of this transfer window appears to have been spent chasing a former player of Adkins' instead of bringing in genuine quality that should, have been lined up before the window opened. Maybe on that latter point, Lee is that quality, but as a player from such a different background, the jury will be out on that until we have seen him perform. I have to say that the loanee from Spurs' reserves didn't make much impact tonight so you wonder if the sights have been set high enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Adkins' pre-match comments were more worring than his post-match comments. Pre-match he came over as flippant, frivolous and quite frankly, just silly. Comparing that to Nigel Pearson's pre-match interview where he made some sensible and constructive remarks suggested there was a mile of difference between the football professionalism of the two men. I know which I would prefer to have in charge at the SMS. So far, most of this transfer window appears to have been spent chasing a former player of Adkins' instead of bringing in genuine quality that should, have been lined up before the window opened. Maybe on that latter point, Lee is that quality, but as a player from such a different background, the jury will be out on that until we have seen him perform. I have to say that the loanee from Spurs' reserves didn't make much impact tonight so you wonder if the sights have been set high enough. Are you having a laugh?? Why didn't you raise your issue pre-match if so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 To be fair his transfer comments come across more that the performance won't make him bring in any more than he thinks they need, not that he is happy to go forward without additions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 To be fair his transfer comments come across more that the performance won't make him bring in any more than he thinks they need, not that he is happy to go forward without additions. I did feel that as well. Certainly didn't sound like he'd given up according to some people on here. I think it's typical Nigel, keeping his cards close to his chest and playing up the positives he can play up - i.e the players we have coming back. That doesn't mean we won't see more. let's wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 For what it's worth I think we have been swept along on the bus since NA arrived and are currently sitting ducks in a position above the squad's ability. (not the first XI but the squad). Teams like Leicester, Hull and Blackpool all have 5 or 6 players from the second tier of the premiership who put in a shift. We will get back to being like that but need to build up. Teams are seeing how we are set up and are dealing with it. Then our team struggles with Plan B. Were we to get promoted we would have to be ruthless in the summer with players coming in and out. Were we to miss out, we can build a team as part of the five year plan. Good times ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 He didn't say anything about Billy Sharp being in the stands did he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 I'm shocked that NA chose to play Dan Harding at right back, he's a left back FFS and it took him two touches everytime to put it on his left foot. I could understand if we didn't have any other option but Frazer was on the bench? Adkins must be a good motivater but some decisions as well as his signings are just comical. Rant over. Agree absolutely with this. It was playing a LB at RB that allowed Nugent to cut inside and score the first goal. Adkins should take personal responsibility, not blame the team for a poor performance when he picked it, decided on the formation and the tactics. And if the squad is thin, he could have used a young player but more to the point he should have made signings so this situation did not arise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monosaint Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 If everyone starts coming back from injury then I am not sure we need all the players every one is suggesting. You cannot bring too many players in on the back of injuries unless they are loanees else what do you do when they are all back, fit and ready to play. Not an easy problem to deal with in my view. If we need more cover at CB then we should bring in a short term loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Are you having a laugh?? Why didn't you raise your issue pre-match if so? Its not a laughing matter. Maybe you didn't see the pre-match interview but of course you are right, as soon as i saw he was making a fool of himself, I should have gone straight to the ground and taken it up with Adkins in the dugout area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 He didn't say anything about Billy Sharp being in the stands did he? Nope. Was he in the stands then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Admired Nigel's public support for the players but doubt he is as positive privately. He must know that the squad is paper thin. Big loss was choppers IMO. All else has compounded that. We need muscle and fight, as well as pretty tippy tap. Also need the balls to not play Di Prado occasionally. His lethargy is catching. Pretty much covers things. We were very lightweight in midfield, wanting too much time on the ball, Morgan in particular. Really miss Chappers' energy and fight. Think SDR could bring the same, but he's not getting games to build an understanding with the other players. Holmes looked good in glimpses and also needs games. Having said all that, we did have some very good chances that we totally blew. Cork really needs to learn how to shoot and Connolly should've done a lot better with a couple. Biggest worry is Jos' injury - who covers now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 He didn't say anything about Billy Sharp being in the stands did he? earlobe alert !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 He didn't say anything about Billy Sharp being in the stands did he? Do elaborate, unless you are speaking in the hope Billy was in the stands. Insulting him doesn't help. I just want to understand him. If it was a wind-up I'd get it, it's a good one. But I can't grasp how season after season somehow can make the same illogical comments and learn nothing. Same complaints, all the time, and it's never a subjective matter, or never expressed that way. Always fact, always reactionary, over the top. It's not the negative side that gets me so much, he's clearly a negative person and some people are just programmed that way. Fine. But at least take that negativity and make a well reasoned point with it. He complains that people say he's not allowed this opinion or that, but I honestly don't see an opinion amongst any of it. Somehow he's got it in his head that a balanced opinion is providing the negative to someone else's positive, or vice versa. A balanced opinion in reality is being able to consider both sides, to see the bigger picture and put forward an opinion based on it. If he said 'I think we've done very well but with injuries, slipping confidence and not enough signings we may not go up', I, and many others would say 'fair point'. Because whether it turns out right or wrong, it's a valid concern. But it's never phrased like that, and never that reasonable. Always anger and flat out factual statements about the future, overboard criticism and a massive lack of logic. It's not just him, but he's the most prolific and the biggest caricature of himself now. Even Darlek is clearly doing it more for sense of humour and wind up. I know Alpine thinks it's picking on him, probably still thinks it's 'not allowed to be negative' etc., but it isn't. Christ, I get called negative myself on build up thread and I often am, I generally expect the worst, but I do try to base my opinions on the whole season rather than individual games, and don't like to forget where Saints have been recently. So sorry Alpine if you're offended. I don't write these things to offend you and all I genuinely want to do is get the point across. If you have a reasonable and considered opinion that happens to be negative, it's fine. I'll give up now, I just have a general dislike of illogical negativity and reactionary irrationality. Far too much of it about and it rarely leads to happy lives. I'll do my best to leave it at that anyway, all the best! It's called concern trolling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 The wheels came off a while ago...our form in the last 6 weeks is relegation... I'm often critical of people on this board as I don't feel they really understand how important it is to get new players and I'm not just saying it for the hell of it... Our team has over achieved with the squad we have...we lack quality in depth. Out first eleven when fit is very good but players like holmes, doble, seabourne etc our squad players are not good enough. Tonight we were crying out for a striker...Connolly looked every day a 34 year old and we had no one on the bench to change things. We have had months to prepare our bids for strikers, get them in etc and every time we can't complete a deal... Well failure to add 2 or 3 players will see us not get promoted when we have an amazing opportunity given our position in January. Questions need to be asked about cortese...our financial backing because something is not right.... Nail on the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 He didn't say anything about Billy Sharp being in the stands did he? Nope. Was he in the stands then? earlobe alert !!! Do elaborate, unless you are speaking in the hope Billy was in the stands. Well it links in with this... http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/transfer-news/Transfer-gossip-Southampton-go-back-in-for-Billy-Sharp-Doncaster-striker-will-pay-1-5million-article856940.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Fail to see why this shocked you, I believe tonight was the third match in a row Harding has played at RB so with Richardson coming back from injury and the fact we won our last two NA quite rightfully thought if it ain't broke dont fix it. Harding has shown before under Pardew he is more than capable at RB, particularly in the JPT. Cannot agree about Harding. He doesn't cut it at LB let alone right. A League 1 player at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Cannot agree about Harding. He doesn't cut it at LB let alone right. A League 1 player at best. Really? come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Well it links in with this... http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/transfer-news/Transfer-gossip-Southampton-go-back-in-for-Billy-Sharp-Doncaster-striker-will-pay-1-5million-article856940.html Could have been in stands, but could have been watching his new team LCFC lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Could have been in stands, but could have been watching his new team LCFC lol If he saw us tonight, he may well reconsider who to join (if he really was there!). Hasper's comment is interesting: could be interpreted as asking because he's seen the Mirror article or it could be because he in some way knows he was there. Surprised Sky didn't locate him during the coverage, if he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Really? come on. Maybe that's harsh S-Clarke - but of all the Saints games i've seen (admittedly only Sky TV, streams and Player highlights and replays) Dan Harding looks out of his depth. He has no right foot at all; looks lightweight in the challenge; hoofs the ball often even when not under pressure; bottles many tackles and challenges and his crossing of the ball is much inferior to DF. I also cannot forget his decision to meekly give away that corner at Fratton leading to their goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Cannot agree about Harding. He doesn't cut it at LB let alone right. A League 1 player at best. He was fantastic at RB against Coventry and Forest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Maybe that's harsh S-Clarke - but of all the Saints games i've seen (admittedly only Sky TV, streams and Player highlights and replays) Dan Harding looks out of his depth. He has no right foot at all; looks lightweight in the challenge; hoofs the ball often even when not under pressure; bottles many tackles and challenges and his crossing of the ball is much inferior to DF. I also cannot forget his decision to meekly give away that corner at Fratton leading to their goal. He's had more good games this season than bad. He was out of position tonight and against weaker teams you could probably just get away with it, but tonight he was shown up as being out of position. But he's done a job this season when called upon IMO - have no worries when he's on the team sheet and I think he's much better than L1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Sounds to me like the club have settled for the real promotion push being next season. As my mother would say, "Don't be daft!" That's just a ridiculous comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Saint Charlie, where's that spark and initiative from yesteryear. Adam Lallana and many of our players are on Twitter daily. If you really were interested in his injury you'd ask him directly. He doesn't bite and is very approachable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 He's had more good games this season than bad. He was out of position tonight and against weaker teams you could probably just get away with it, but tonight he was shown up as being out of position. But he's done a job this season when called upon IMO - have no worries when he's on the team sheet and I think he's much better than L1. Fair call - but in the medium to longer term we need a better player than he; don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Fair call - but in the medium to longer term we need a better player than he; don't you think? He's fine as a squad player at this level. The better players are required up front and out wide. That's where we need to focus our attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Cannot agree about Harding. He doesn't cut it at LB let alone right. A League 1 player at best. Absolutely correct. He has found his level, and it is League 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouchie's Lawyer Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Just a really random thought and by no way my opinion just a wild assumption but run with it a second... Maybe we don't have any money any more? We are run very well financially so do not believe we are making a loss so to speak but maybe since ML passed the club hasn't got new money to spend? All this talk about youth coming through and 50% of our team coming from our future kids could point to this. Could be the most paranoid way of looking at this but: What if we are concerned about losing our best players? Case point being Poopey... Everyone knows they have no money so can pillage their team of the better players at a low price. Imagine if others knew we had no money. Whilst we may not have to sell, it would be a lot harder to turn down serious realistic offers? What's the best way of keeping serious, realistic offers at bay? Make out you are minted and it would only take ludicrous offers to part with your best players! Teams will not even bother making an offer if they think we will ask double or even treble what they are willing to pay as we have so much money. How can we do this? Simples, we make massive offers for players we know we don't have a chance in getting like Rodrigues and Hooper etc. It keeps us fans happy too believing we have ambition as well as keeping the bigger teams away from our star players. Only backlash to deal with us come the end of the window when we do not sign the big name we were initially led to think we would but throw us a bone like Tadanari Lee and SDR and it keeps us happy for the time being albeit at a fraction of the cost. Just a random thought so don't slate me. I dont know anything about our finances it's just a bit bizarre we are not investing a little more at a time when we are so close to the big prize and I wonder if there are other reasons for it?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Just a really random thought and by no way my opinion just a wild assumption but run with it a second... Maybe we don't have any money any more? We are run very well financially so do not believe we are making a loss so to speak but maybe since ML passed the club hasn't got new money to spend? All this talk about youth coming through and 50% of our team coming from our future kids could point to this. Could be the most paranoid way of looking at this but: What if we are concerned about losing our best players? Case point being Poopey... Everyone knows they have no money so can pillage their team of the better players at a low price. Imagine if others knew we had no money. Whilst we may not have to sell, it would be a lot harder to turn down serious realistic offers? What's the best way of keeping serious, realistic offers at bay? Make out you are minted and it would only take ludicrous offers to part with your best players! Teams will not even bother making an offer if they think we will ask double or even treble what they are willing to pay as we have so much money. How can we do this? Simples, we make massive offers for players we know we don't have a chance in getting like Rodrigues and Hooper etc. It keeps us fans happy too believing we have ambition as well as keeping the bigger teams away from our star players. Only backlash to deal with us come the end of the window when we do not sign the big name we were initially led to think we would but throw us a bone like Tadanari Lee and SDR and it keeps us happy for the time being albeit at a fraction of the cost. Just a random thought so don't slate me. I dont know anything about our finances it's just a bit bizarre we are not investing a little more at a time when we are so close to the big prize and I wonder if there are other reasons for it?! Having been sat with some ex players tonight in hospitality, that is what one of them was convinced of. Absolutely certain of it but not sure myself. All this talk of multi million pound bids, are they just a smoke screen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 If I was a fan of any other team reading this thread I would be having a good chuckle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Just a really random thought and by no way my opinion just a wild assumption but run with it a second... Maybe we don't have any money any more? We are run very well financially so do not believe we are making a loss so to speak but maybe since ML passed the club hasn't got new money to spend? All this talk about youth coming through and 50% of our team coming from our future kids could point to this. Could be the most paranoid way of looking at this but: What if we are concerned about losing our best players? Case point being Poopey... Everyone knows they have no money so can pillage their team of the better players at a low price. Imagine if others knew we had no money. Whilst we may not have to sell, it would be a lot harder to turn down serious realistic offers? What's the best way of keeping serious, realistic offers at bay? Make out you are minted and it would only take ludicrous offers to part with your best players! Teams will not even bother making an offer if they think we will ask double or even treble what they are willing to pay as we have so much money. How can we do this? Simples, we make massive offers for players we know we don't have a chance in getting like Rodrigues and Hooper etc. It keeps us fans happy too believing we have ambition as well as keeping the bigger teams away from our star players. Only backlash to deal with us come the end of the window when we do not sign the big name we were initially led to think we would but throw us a bone like Tadanari Lee and SDR and it keeps us happy for the time being albeit at a fraction of the cost. Just a random thought so don't slate me. I dont know anything about our finances it's just a bit bizarre we are not investing a little more at a time when we are so close to the big prize and I wonder if there are other reasons for it?! Interesting thoughts. Many have commented that Nicola is not a patient man but is certainly ambitious, yet the net result of the transfer windows so far (especially given our position on the table and injury list) points to either too much patience; not enough ambition or a lack of capital to pull it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Pretty much covers things. We were very lightweight in midfield, wanting too much time on the ball, Morgan in particular. Really miss Chappers' energy and fight. Think SDR could bring the same, but he's not getting games to build an understanding with the other players. Holmes looked good in glimpses and also needs games. Having said all that, we did have some very good chances that we totally blew. Cork really needs to learn how to shoot and Connolly should've done a lot better with a couple. Biggest worry is Jos' injury - who covers now? Agree with this - however what really concerned me was that we did not seem up for it as much as them! OK we have a lot of players out etc. and we can't win every game etc., but it seems they did their homework and watched the Brizzel game and pressed us high up the field and we could not cope. They had 17 goal attempts and more game time. As dissapointed as I am about lossing, the real bitter pill was we did not seem to try hard enough. You would think that the players who got an opportunity as a result of missing players would have really taken this chance via effort if nothing else? We were clearly poor and deserved to lose (sad to say but true), and as has been mentioned above it's not the first 11, but the rest of the squad that is not up to it - NA clearly knows that from his comments. Tough one - how do you keep a strong and motivated squad esp when they are not playing? We better learn real quick as all teams (starting with Cardiff) will adopt the same tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Just a really random thought and by no way my opinion just a wild assumption but run with it a second... Maybe we don't have any money any more? We are run very well financially so do not believe we are making a loss so to speak but maybe since ML passed the club hasn't got new money to spend? All this talk about youth coming through and 50% of our team coming from our future kids could point to this. Could be the most paranoid way of looking at this but: What if we are concerned about losing our best players? Case point being Poopey... Everyone knows they have no money so can pillage their team of the better players at a low price. Imagine if others knew we had no money. Whilst we may not have to sell, it would be a lot harder to turn down serious realistic offers? What's the best way of keeping serious, realistic offers at bay? Make out you are minted and it would only take ludicrous offers to part with your best players! Teams will not even bother making an offer if they think we will ask double or even treble what they are willing to pay as we have so much money. How can we do this? Simples, we make massive offers for players we know we don't have a chance in getting like Rodrigues and Hooper etc. It keeps us fans happy too believing we have ambition as well as keeping the bigger teams away from our star players. Only backlash to deal with us come the end of the window when we do not sign the big name we were initially led to think we would but throw us a bone like Tadanari Lee and SDR and it keeps us happy for the time being albeit at a fraction of the cost. Just a random thought so don't slate me. I dont know anything about our finances it's just a bit bizarre we are not investing a little more at a time when we are so close to the big prize and I wonder if there are other reasons for it?! If our plan is to really have 50% of our team from the youth team, then we need to stop selling them! But financially I don't think we're as rich as some of us would like to believe. We're stable and secure I'm sure of that, but I don't think we have an endless put of billions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Just a really random thought and by no way my opinion just a wild assumption but run with it a second... Maybe we don't have any money any more? We are run very well financially so do not believe we are making a loss so to speak but maybe since ML passed the club hasn't got new money to spend? All this talk about youth coming through and 50% of our team coming from our future kids could point to this. Could be the most paranoid way of looking at this but: What if we are concerned about losing our best players? Case point being Poopey... Everyone knows they have no money so can pillage their team of the better players at a low price. Imagine if others knew we had no money. Whilst we may not have to sell, it would be a lot harder to turn down serious realistic offers? What's the best way of keeping serious, realistic offers at bay? Make out you are minted and it would only take ludicrous offers to part with your best players! Teams will not even bother making an offer if they think we will ask double or even treble what they are willing to pay as we have so much money. How can we do this? Simples, we make massive offers for players we know we don't have a chance in getting like Rodrigues and Hooper etc. It keeps us fans happy too believing we have ambition as well as keeping the bigger teams away from our star players. Only backlash to deal with us come the end of the window when we do not sign the big name we were initially led to think we would but throw us a bone like Tadanari Lee and SDR and it keeps us happy for the time being albeit at a fraction of the cost. Just a random thought so don't slate me. I dont know anything about our finances it's just a bit bizarre we are not investing a little more at a time when we are so close to the big prize and I wonder if there are other reasons for it?! Respectfully I do not agree. Since day 1, ML and NC have always stated we would be run as a sound business and if anything I believe NC has spectulated more than he wanted (in IMHO before anyone asks). Look at the recent independant financial blog which confirms this. Of course NC wants promotion this year, but not at all costs - build steady and positive progress on a sound foundation, and not the Burley erea with s hit or bust - and we all know how that ended! Will be mighty mifffed if we don't get promoted this year, but after a summer of reflection wil be glad I still have a club to support and one on a sound financial footing :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Just a really random thought and by no way my opinion just a wild assumption but run with it a second... Maybe we don't have any money any more? We are run very well financially so do not believe we are making a loss so to speak but maybe since ML passed the club hasn't got new money to spend? All this talk about youth coming through and 50% of our team coming from our future kids could point to this. Could be the most paranoid way of looking at this but: What if we are concerned about losing our best players? Case point being Poopey... Everyone knows they have no money so can pillage their team of the better players at a low price. Imagine if others knew we had no money. Whilst we may not have to sell, it would be a lot harder to turn down serious realistic offers? What's the best way of keeping serious, realistic offers at bay? Make out you are minted and it would only take ludicrous offers to part with your best players! Teams will not even bother making an offer if they think we will ask double or even treble what they are willing to pay as we have so much money. How can we do this? Simples, we make massive offers for players we know we don't have a chance in getting like Rodrigues and Hooper etc. It keeps us fans happy too believing we have ambition as well as keeping the bigger teams away from our star players. Only backlash to deal with us come the end of the window when we do not sign the big name we were initially led to think we would but throw us a bone like Tadanari Lee and SDR and it keeps us happy for the time being albeit at a fraction of the cost. Just a random thought so don't slate me. I dont know anything about our finances it's just a bit bizarre we are not investing a little more at a time when we are so close to the big prize and I wonder if there are other reasons for it?! It's a valid theory as any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 (edited) Thats what he said! Mentioned about doing business behind the scenes but sounded like a fob off. I hope you & I are wrong & this is not me being doom & gloom on the back of another poor performance but something that has been bugging me for some time. I fear you are right & I do get a bit annoyed by the babbling bullsh*t Adkins spouts. Never have liked it when managers deflect questions with pointless speech. Don't interview if you have nothing of substance to stay. We know you think they're "a hard working bunch of lads" & all the other well worn positive adjectives but we need a plan b for when tested formations suiting players injured are not present. "At the end of the day" the bus has hit pot holes & needs refuelling & omeone to help with the navigation. Sadly I think we have definitely over achieved. Our recent poor run confirms that. Maybe the anti-climax & fall out from the consecutive home winning record twinned with players having played to the absolute top of their ability since opening day is the reason. That's quite a slog & pressure doesn't dissipate. We're beginning to make the mistakes & throw away key games like we did last season. I just hope our good home record doesn't diminish further. I think Nige had the players performing to the top of their form for a while now. It was my only explanation as to how sh*t we have suddenly starting playing now. Proper class doesn't make you dip quite that much. We need to bolster the fire power as we have done for quite some time. We create enough chances, it seems crazy not to galvanise the squad with a powerful finisher. It concerns me greatly we still haven't added a prolific striker or pacey foil for Lambert. I can't help the gut feeling the big transfer talk is club based rumours like last transfer window. All talk, f*ck all action other than small stuff which is nothing near PL preparation. Fair enough if this season is for consolidating as, if we're honest, we wouldn't last 5 mins in the PL but don't b*llsh*t the fans please. I am most suspicious on our dramatic u-turn on our former tight-lipped transfer policy. Are we to suddenly believe Nicola & the club are all about keeping the fans informed & respecting the press' right for information? NO! Try for players we've a chance of actually signing. I occasionally question Adkins pulling power or the influence of this supposed committee & staff but I'm not sure. I'll be convinced when we attract or offer decent money to British talent. Not unproven cheaper imports. De Ridder hasn't set the world alight. No opinion towards Lee but these higher profile signings strike me as b*llsh*t. Why disclose transfer news when so previously tight lipped and justifiably so? Some may consider these manager & club comments are now, miraculously, in the public domain because the club want you to think we are bidding big with intent but in reality , the club may know we have little hope in landing such targets. Much like last window. We should have bolstered in the summer and the time before prior to Pardew departing but we didn't. Why? Was this partly why Pardew left? However, transfer talk wins the fans over. Cortese is no fool. The question is, are we? It's just a theory. Not fact but it has been on my mind. Hope this wk proves me wrong. I really do & I hope Lee arrived soon at the least. We need fire power. Edited 24 January, 2012 by Gordon Mockles Added parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 We should have made signings in the summer and we should of made signings in this window sooner. We cannot sustain the momentum without changes and it still amazes me why we leave it until the last day or so of the transfer window to buy players,get in early and spend the money FFS. What we had last night was mostly 'B' team players and when you looked at Leicesters team compared with ours you just knew we were going to get stuffed. How the **** are we going to challenge for promotion with that bunch,by the time lambert,lallana,chaplow and fonte get back the damage could done by the backup players could be too severe for us to regain the momentum for the final push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 We should have made signings in the summer and we should of made signings in this window sooner. We cannot sustain the momentum without changes and it still amazes me why we leave it until the last day or so of the transfer window to buy players,get in early and spend the money FFS. What we had last night was mostly 'B' team players and when you looked at Leicesters team compared with ours you just knew we were going to get stuffed. How the **** are we going to challenge for promotion with that bunch,by the time lambert,lallana,chaplow and fonte get back the damage could done by the backup players could be too severe for us to regain the momentum for the final push. I made this point at least 2 weeks ago and was roundly abused for my troubles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 I wouldn't be surprised if we had all our transfers lined up ready,but when celtic leaked the fact we had bid a serious amount for Hooper everyone else went hold on,the price has now changed for "player x" you can now have him at this inflated price. NA doesn't seem to me like he is that blinkered that he would not know we need to strengthen,for me Connolly is past it and Guly is awful,yes he has scored a few goals but his overall play is shocking,if we do go up I would imagine they will be the first 2 out the door Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 We were clearly poor and deserved to lose (sad to say but true), and as has been mentioned above it's not the first 11, but the rest of the squad that is not up to it - NA clearly knows that from his comments. Spot on mate. Our players outside of the first 11 do not have the cutting edge required for a team chasing promotion. This was obvious from the triangular pre-season tournament on. The first 11 have surpassed my expectations this season already - not because I think they are the best 11 in the Championship but because they just have the decisive winning, cutting edge - that "certain something". Finding back-up players to cover for them or players to replace them and improve the first 11 will be very difficult indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Having been sat with some ex players tonight in hospitality, that is what one of them was convinced of. Absolutely certain of it but not sure myself. All this talk of multi million pound bids, are they just a smoke screen? Take comments of ex-players with a pinch of salt. They like people to think they are in the know but most of the ones I have met are full of uninformed BS, a bit like the male equivalent of Loose Women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 We have just brought in a loan and Lee so it is not as if nothing is happening. As for others, if you cant get the players you want why bring people in for the sake it it? I am frustrated as the rest of you but lets get it right eh otherwise we will end up with a bloated squad of average players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 We werent good enough. Fair play to leicester they played well and got in our faces. conceded 2 poor goals. Hard working group of players we need to all stick together Self-evident cliches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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