Liquidshokk Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 "Adults who have high IQs are more likely to use illegal drugs than those who have low IQs." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 "Adults who have high IQs are more likely to use illegal drugs than those who have low IQs." Apart from dune, he took loads of pills in the 90s and just got even more stupid and everyone just laughed at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 23 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Apart from dune, he took loads of pills in the 90s and just got even more stupid and everyone just laughed at him. I must admit, I am having trouble reconciling dune's anti-drug stance on here with his "Drugs of the Decades" thread on the UI. dune, on what foundation do you proclaim M-Cat as the drug of the 2010s? Personal use in 2010-12, or a simple repackaging of the opinions of others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 I must admit, I am having trouble reconciling dune's anti-drug stance on here with his "Drugs of the Decades" thread on the UI. dune, on what foundation do you proclaim M-Cat as the drug of the 2010s? Personal use in 2010-12, or a simple repackaging of the opinions of others? He loved it, posted loads on here about it and mithered when it was banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 23 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 23 January, 2012 He loved it, posted loads on here about it and mithered when it was banned. In his defence, he might not have taken it post-ban. Pretty sure "Snow" was illegal at any point during the '00's though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 I thought you'd just dropped out of Uni? In the process of dropping out, but i've never let it affect my Uni work. Never smoked when I had an essay due, when I had a lecture in the morning, or when I had an exam coming up. My second cousin had a drug meltdown, started using in her early 20s and she spent the next 6 or 7 years in a right mess. Luckily I think she's clean now (don't have loads of contact with that side of the family, they're distant relatives) but she was on the verge of death because of the scumbags who had her hooked on these substances. Take the drugs out of the hands of these criminals, regulate them properly and provide proper treatment facilities and centres and hopefully we can cut down on instances like hers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 It's poor education. The only thing our government was telling the youth back then was "don't do it - it's evil and illegal". You're spot on with this comment. Unlike the clueless kids on here I can tell you know what you're on about through experience. People should not be told not to take drugs because they will take them anyway, what they should be educated on is how to take drugs as safely as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 In the process of dropping out, but i've never let it affect my Uni work. Never smoked when I had an essay due, when I had a lecture in the morning, or when I had an exam coming up. My second cousin had a drug meltdown, started using in her early 20s and she spent the next 6 or 7 years in a right mess. Luckily I think she's clean now (don't have loads of contact with that side of the family, they're distant relatives) but she was on the verge of death because of the scumbags who had her hooked on these substances. Take the drugs out of the hands of these criminals, regulate them properly and provide proper treatment facilities and centres and hopefully we can cut down on instances like hers. It would make no difference with her, she'd just get even more wasted if access was easier. Legal highs are a prime example of what happens when drugs are easily available. Everyone was on m-cat before the ban. Now it's harder to come by and less are on it. Now that was a very dangerous drug. I dread to think what effect it would have on vital organs if taken regularly as it was very harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Also more people would move on to stronger drugs. Nah. As The Cat mentions, by decriminalising, you broaden the gap between weed and say, crack, thus weakening the urge to jump to the next (illegal) drug up on the ladder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 He loved it, posted loads on here about it and mithered when it was banned. At the time I may have mithered but retrospectively banning it was the right thing to do. Furthermore anyone calling for full decriminalisation are idiotic. I would agree for recreational drugs, but definitely not for crack and heroin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 (edited) Nah. As The Cat mentions, by decriminalising, you broaden the gap between weed and say, crack, thus weakening the urge to jump to the next (illegal) drug up on the ladder. Decriminalisation would make the problem worse and even more people would take drugs as it became even more 'normal' to do so. This would then lead to more people moving on to stronger drugs. That's how it works in the real world. That said i would be in favour of decriminalisation for recreational drugs because the problem is now so widespread, but unlike vftt i;d draw the line with highly addictive drugs. Edited 24 January, 2012 by dune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 People can say what they wish about drugs, but most people on here haven't experienced a decriminalised system(neither have I, bar trips), but I have seen the dangers of the current system and what that causes first hand and that combined with hard statistics on problematic drug use and hard drug use convince me that decriminalisation is the only way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 At the time I may have mithered but retrospectively banning it was the right thing to do. Furthermore anyone calling for full decriminalisation are idiotic. I would agree for recreational drugs, but definitely not for crack and heroin. So you are of the belief that people are put off crack and heroin by the law? The law is even less of a deterant for people on hard drugs than those who just do a bit of weed every now and then. People who smoke cannabis quite often have a job, a family and a pretty decent grip on reality. Heroin junkies don't. ALL they care about is where their next hit is coming from. They will steal from anyone, including their own ofamily to pay for their habbit. They don't care for one second about the law. The best we can do for these people is: 1. Make sure they are getting clean drugs, as opposed to the stuff laced with rat poison off their dealer. 2. Make sure they are getting FREE clean syringes and a place to safely dispose of old ones. I doubt this will be very effective, but anything which reduces the use of dirty needles can only be good. 3. Make sure the government is getting the money from these people instead of criminal gangs. 4. Make sure some of this money goes into rehab centres, councillors etc. to get people off drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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