Puncheon slates Cortese on Twitter

[hypochondriac]

So say your at work and you and your boss have a disagreement. But your boss stays quiet and would rather deal with it internally. Maybe let it go. But you then decide to go around your work place slagging off your boss, making it clear that you intend to be desruptive and pick up your pay for doing nothing. How does the boss come out of that looking bad? Because he had an argument with an employee?

Every work place in the world will have problems from time to time with its staff.

As far as I am concerened Puncheon probably got disciplined and didn't like it. You don't see any other playes having issues. In fact the team atmosphere would indicate the total opposite.

 

Rather then keep his head down, put in the hard work and try his all he has decided to throw a strop and go on the internet slagging off the club and its fans. The only person who comes out looking bad is Puncheon. Again.

 

I think that Puncheon said he was annoyed because Cortese wouldn't deal with it.

[Surman4no7shirt]

I thought the problem with him and the club started when he refused to travel with the team to an away match, He was only named as a sub, and his ego thought he should be in the starting 11.

 

Also what I heard.

[Nexstar]

I thought the problem with him and the club started when he refused to travel with the team to an away match, He was only named as a sub, and his ego thought he should be in the starting 11.

 

Tranmere away I believe

[dune]

If Lowe had been picking the team there would have been uproar, yet when Cortese does it most on here don't bat an eyelid.

[SuperMikey]

If Lowe had been picking the team there would have been uproar, yet when Cortese does it most on here don't bat an eyelid.

 

Cortese isn't picking the team ffs. He's trying to remove a disruptive influence from the squad, and I don't think Nige has him in his plans either tbh.

[S-Clarke]

The moment any player refuses to play for your team, they need to go. That's not a case of anyone picking the team or not, the fact is the Punch has acted like a total tool through all of this - ask fans at his previous clubs, they will all say the same about him.

 

Cortese is not to blame for this, so stop trying to spin it.

[St Marco]

I think that Puncheon said he was annoyed because Cortese wouldn't deal with it.

 

Either way the point is if you have issues it should always remain behind closed doors. Loads of people will have issues with each other. My boss can be a total knob but I know he is only like that because he is thinking of the company first. After all that is why we are there. It is not some holiday camp where your there to be social and have a laugh. Your there to do a job which makes the company earn money to survive.

 

If Cortese has issues with Puncheon then fine, it isn't anything to do with us. Speaking about it on places like twitter serves no purpose but to make it worse by seeking attention. As I said before he should grow a pair, keep his head down and get on with it. If that is with the kids, the dinner ladies, the bin men then so be it. You are not given respect, you earn it. And by all accounts Puncheon has not earned it. The things that are happening are down to his actions, he only has himself to blame. No other players have had an issue. The boy who cried wolf comes to mind.

[Legod Third Coming]

I think that Puncheon said he was annoyed because Cortese wouldn't deal with it.

 

Mate, I don't know you and I'm happy to let most of your opinions pass, but on this you are simply WRONG.

 

However Cortese deals with selling an asset - and frankly that's exactly what ANY player is - there is no excuse for Puncheon's behaviour - NONE.

 

If you think there is, then I thank God I don't employ you.

 

Puncheon has PUBLICLY criticised his employer, several times. He has also publicly criticised me (and you), customers of his employer.

 

Staff at Virgin (Virgin - yes, the people who believe in fairness and not accepting the status quo) were summarily fired for criticising their customers on the internet.

 

For anyone to use this as some form of criticism of Cortese (who has voiced NO opinion on this matter whatever and whose behaviour is unknown) is, frankly, pathetic.

Edited 22 January, 2012 by Legod Third Coming

[Cascadia Saint]

If Lowe had been picking the team there would have been uproar, yet when Cortese does it most on here don't bat an eyelid.

 

Yawn. Utter tosh.

[Stud mark of doom]

The best an most balanced post on here.

 

On occasion "balance" is not appropriate.

[Viking Warrior]

I wonder if the club have a social media clause in players contracts or a social media policy . As harper and avenue have said there a number of angles the club can deal with puncheon. We are only hearing his side through his agent and posts through twitter. The club can always dismiss him on another substantial reason or possibly breach of contract . It's possible and it is my believe he has already been discipline by the club .

[theyin]

I think the most worrying aspect of this is the fact he's now 'training with the kids'. Surely his stinking attitude is not what you want around impressionable young minds which in all likelihood, already have over inflated egos.

[shirleysfc]

If Lowe had been picking the team there would have been uproar, yet when Cortese does it most on here don't bat an eyelid.

 

Poor wumming... 1/10 - must try harder!

[westofshannonsaint]

 

Look no further than JP's appearance on Soccer AM a few weeks ago for a perfect example of why he is exactly the sort we do not want. He had a face like thunder all the way through, blatantly wasn't interested but his agent has realised he has f*cked himself in the arse so he needs to promote himself, that he didn't do and if anything, made himslef look worse. Then... when asked who is more scary, Warnock or Holloway, he went on to tell a story about a blow up between Warnock and a QPR player in the dressing room and the look on Helen Chamberlains face said it all, that is not the sort of thing a Proffesional Footballer should be saying in public, let alone on a very big saturday morning footy program.

 

I hadn't seen that before...link... lol @ Chamberlains "internet forum's" remark.

But, he's really not doing himself any favours. Has he handed in a transfer request, or will he get a cut of any fee?

 

It might not be a bad thing to make him train on his own/with the kids, it could be a good example to them... "see kiddies, if you develop the wrong attitude you could be that saddo doing laps around the pitch"

[lloydie]

the best thing about twitter is that you can abuse jason puncheon in 140 characters, join in one and all.....

 

@lloyddavidson

 

"@jasonpunch disgusting attidue 4 a "pro", u'll never make it at the top level like that & very disrespectful to our clubs fans. ps f--k you"

[solentstars]

Wow a lot of haters on this thread seeing they do not know what went on.

 

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[hypochondriac]

On occasion "balance" is not appropriate.

 

Only when you want a one sided debate.

[Saint_clark]

Wow a lot of haters on this thread seeing they do not know what went on.

 

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Regardless of what happened, he's still acting like a total helmet.

[Viking Warrior]

Just to clarify. Puncheon was training with the kids last season as well. Its yesterdays news not something that has just happened

[Saint Fan CaM]

Solent reporting on the story this morning. Looks like he's going to be disciplined to today. Good.

[Frank's cousin]

Only when you want a one sided debate.

 

But there should be NO debate, That is the point. Whatever the argument between Cortese and Puncheon is, WE DO NOT KNOW any facts, and if we did then everyone would be entitles to an opinion, take sides or whatever..... BUT that is NOT the issue here, its a completely seperate one. This is about an employee criticing his employer and its customers publically. As with any business or employer/employee relationship, ifr there is a grievence, then the propoer procedures need to be applied. NOt a public airing of your moaning about it - I can guarrantee that most if not all of you working out there will have a clause in our contracts of employment that make such public criticisms a reach of contract and a disciplinary/if not summary dismissal offence. The only reason I guess why he would not e acked in football is because of the 'trade' value players have when we own his registration.

 

The two issues are SEPERATE and as such when it comes to him mouthing off on twitter, there is no 'balance' necessary - its is simply wrong of him to do so. The fact the club have NOT commented publically, thus acting professionally is all the 'balance' this issues needs.

 

It may be that some dont agree with Cortese on the reasons for teh falling out - fair enough, but that is not the issue here and Puncheon should know that.

[angelman]

Not a great situation. But. Puncheon seems to be nicely worked up. Why not call his bluff and put him in the team tonight? If he performs, he performs - certainly he must be worked up enough to do so. Then sell at the end of the season. If he doesn't perform, then he can be seen to be full of **** and then leave him on the sidelines

[This Charming Man]

He's blocked me on Twitter after sending him a load of abuse whilst drunk a while ago. Shame, I would've gone to town on him about this.

 

Has anyone had his friends and family tweeting abuse back at you? They wouldn't leave me alone for about a week after my little outburst. Ha.

[This Charming Man]

Not a great situation. But. Puncheon seems to be nicely worked up. Why not call his bluff and put him in the team tonight? If he performs, he performs - certainly he must be worked up enough to do so. Then sell at the end of the season. If he doesn't perform, then he can be seen to be full of **** and then leave him on the sidelines

 

I can't see that happening. I can't see him even stepping foot in St Marys again unless he's wearing the shirt of another team.

[sadoldgit]

Cortese isn't helping the situation by being stubborn. Sell him. Get some money for him and get him off the payroll. All this I'll show you who's boss isn't helping.

[Lazlo78]

http://www.socceram.com/story/0,21644,13873_7400642,00.html - video on the right side. They actually do ask the difficult questions: "do you have an attitude?", "have you fallen out with Nigel Adkins?" etc.

[sadoldgit]

We don't need this side show. There are more important things to sort out like bringing in new players.

[Saint Garrett]

He blocked me on Saturday night after I sent him abuse, tosser.

[Super_Uwe]

All very sad indeed.

 

The trouble is that I really don't know what is best for the club. If we let him go on a free, what happens if he joins someone like Blackpool or Cardiff, actually gets his head down and helps them get promoted ahead of us?

 

In some respects I think it would be a wise move - whilst we are still in the promotion hunt - to keep him on board with us. It is going to cost us either way, but frankly I would rather he was sat on his backside doing nothing than actually fulfilling his obvious potential with another rival. Of course you run the risk of p***** off other players in the squad, but the way they are playing and with the spirit they are showing, I don't think they really care that much.

 

Also - if he carries on like that on Twitter, he's not going to find it very easy getting another club anyway. Not saying that he is completely at fault (some of the abusive tweets to him are way out of order as well) but if I was his agent I would be ringing him up right away and telling him to give Twitter a break for a few weeks before he says something he really regrets.

[Super_Uwe]

He blocked me on Saturday night after I sent him abuse, tosser.

 

Seriously though, what do you expect? If you were abusing me on Twitter then I would probably block you as well.

[Saint Garrett]

Seriously though, what do you expect? If you were abusing me on Twitter then I would probably block you as well.

I'm not saying he is wrong to block me. I'd do the same.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

To be fair, the bloke must have been in the slow lane in school. He can barely spell, struggles to communicate (anyone see Soccer am?) and everything about him screams street and gang culture to me. Why on earth anyone would want him as an employee is beyond me.

[buctootim]

To be fair, the bloke must have been in the slow lane in school. He can barely spell, struggles to communicate (anyone see Soccer am?) and everything about him screams street and gang culture to me. Why on earth anyone would want him as an employee is beyond me.

 

I actually thought he came across much better than expected. Resonably bright, diplomatic and lucid.

[surrey1saint]

All very sad indeed.

 

The trouble is that I really don't know what is best for the club. If we let him go on a free, what happens if he joins someone like Blackpool or Cardiff, actually gets his head down and helps them get promoted ahead of us?

 

In some respects I think it would be a wise move - whilst we are still in the promotion hunt - to keep him on board with us. It is going to cost us either way, but frankly I would rather he was sat on his backside doing nothing than actually fulfilling his obvious potential with another rival. Of course you run the risk of p***** off other players in the squad, but the way they are playing and with the spirit they are showing, I don't think they really care that much.

 

Also - if he carries on like that on Twitter, he's not going to find it very easy getting another club anyway. Not saying that he is completely at fault (some of the abusive tweets to him are way out of order as well) but if I was his agent I would be ringing him up right away and telling him to give Twitter a break for a few weeks before he says something he really regrets.

Let him play with reserves ,let him go in the summer.

[fez]

Hilarious BBC piece about it. They've turned Nicola into a lady

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16678939.stm?

 

Expect it'll be corrected soon but this is what it says:

 

Southampton have told BBC Solent they will deal internally with midfielder Jason Puncheon after he used Twitter to criticise chairman Nicola Cortese.

 

The winger, 25, has not been involved with the first team since returning from a loan spell at QPR.

 

"I'm not going anywhere," Puncheon tweeted. "Gonna sit and train with the kids for 18 months, see how Cortese likes that, then go on a free.

 

"The only reason I train with the kids is because of Nicola, not the manager."

 

Puncheon later accused Cortese of trying to play games, and said she would not speak to him face to face.

[trousers]

Hilarious BBC piece about it. They've turned Nicola into a lady

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16678939.stm?

 

Expect it'll be corrected soon but this is what it says:

 

Southampton have told BBC Solent they will deal internally with midfielder Jason Puncheon after he used Twitter to criticise chairman Nicola Cortese.

 

The winger, 25, has not been involved with the first team since returning from a loan spell at QPR.

 

"I'm not going anywhere," Puncheon tweeted. "Gonna sit and train with the kids for 18 months, see how Cortese likes that, then go on a free.

 

"The only reason I train with the kids is because of Nicola, not the manager."

 

Puncheon later accused Cortese of trying to play games, and said she would not speak to him face to face.

 

Nicola doesn't look at all happy about that....

 

[The Majestic Channon]

I expect N.C. will say something like this next time he bumps into puncheon

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weWhdYr33ks&feature=endscreen&NR=1

[Ohio Saint]

Not a great situation. But. Puncheon seems to be nicely worked up. Why not call his bluff and put him in the team tonight? If he performs, he performs - certainly he must be worked up enough to do so. Then sell at the end of the season. If he doesn't perform, then he can be seen to be full of **** and then leave him on the sidelines

 

Frankly, I'd worry about him deliberatly scoring against us.

[jjsaint]

You've got to admire his ambition.

[Chez]

Let him play with reserves ,let him go in the summer.

He has 18 months of his contract left. For arguments sake lets say he is on £10k a week including N.I. That's £800,000 we'd be paying for him to sit around doing nothing. Taking the £650,000 offered by Blackpool into account that's £1.5m we would be burning. Your solution sucks.

[Big Bad Bob]

He has 18 months of his contract left. For arguments sake lets say he is on £10k a week including N.I. That's £800,000 we'd be paying for him to sit around doing nothing. Taking the £650,000 offered by Blackpool into account that's £1.5m we would be burning. Your solution sucks financially.

 

I've added the word you missed ;-)

[Flyer]

From an outsiders view, it looks like Corteses ego is costing the club money. Your wasting money every week by paying him to do nothing, his value will drop the longer it goes on and he will be affecting the reserves/youth players because you can be sure hes told them what Cortese is like, you can bet he will have told his mates and will tell everyone at his new club.

 

Its not a good situation to have. FWIW there was nothing negative at all from him at QPR despite him only making 2 sub apps.

[Big Bad Bob]

Its not a good situation to have. FWIW there was nothing negative at all from him at QPR despite him only making 2 sub apps.

 

Maybe because he was hoping to make the move permanent.

 

Anyway I'm sure the Barton (cock) and Colin incidents may have featured more prominently than anything he said!!

[St Marco]

From an outsiders view, it looks like Corteses ego is costing the club money.

 

Its not a good situation to have.

 

Not quite true is it? If it was a case of Cortese having an ego and wanting to punish him then why would he have sent him out on loan twice?

I think the more obvious answer is that the CLUB doesn't want to sell to a promotion chasing rival i.e West Ham. Look at Adkins comments today. He said that he is available to buy. Which again doesn't indicate he is being held back.

 

What amazes me is some people think because he has thrown a strop we should let him go for basically nothing. To me that sends the total wrong message to players and is one of the things I hate most about football right now. It is nice to see a club stand up to players for a change. They can't have it all their own way, they are assets. If they are earning £10k+ a week then sorry I couldn't give a **** if their feelings are hurt by not getting what they want.

[DT]

Puncheon is so aptly named it's untrue. I would like to land it on him.

[CanadaSaint]

From an outsiders view, it looks like Corteses ego is costing the club money. Your wasting money every week by paying him to do nothing, his value will drop the longer it goes on and he will be affecting the reserves/youth players because you can be sure hes told them what Cortese is like, you can bet he will have told his mates and will tell everyone at his new club.

 

Its not a good situation to have. FWIW there was nothing negative at all from him at QPR despite him only making 2 sub apps.

 

Principles often have a price tag, and when it comes to running a modern football club, Cortese has his principles. We might not agree with all of them but things are working out well so far.

 

He clearly has issues with overblown player egos and I suspect it has cost us some decent signings in the past, but who knows what it has saved us in the long run?

 

If more chairmen were to set and stick to principles like his, perhaps the modern game would be much healthier than it is, at least financially.

[Saint Garrett]

BUT he is going to have to start dealing with them if/when we get into the premiership and if we want to be pushing to the Champions League, he will certainly have to deal with them.

[DT]

For money and football please see court coverage of Harry's dealings at Pompey today. Amazing.

[CanadaSaint]

BUT he is going to have to start dealing with them if/when we get into the premiership and if we want to be pushing to the Champions League, he will certainly have to deal with them.

 

Sure he will, but thankfully there's a lot more to our selection process than "Is he a good player?"

 

We won't live in an ego-free world (players without egos are usually crap players) but we can certainly choose players wisely enough to minimize the challenges. They're not all self-centered ego maniacs.

 

And there may well be a certain value to having a Puncheon situation inside the club as a warning to others. It's not a one-sided financial equation.

[Junior Mullet]

He has 18 months of his contract left. For arguments sake lets say he is on £10k a week including N.I. That's £800,000 we'd be paying for him to sit around doing nothing. Taking the £650,000 offered by Blackpool into account that's £1.5m we would be burning. Your solution sucks.

 

Canada's post at 258 sums it up for me. The club's expectations seem clear and this will hopefully serve as a deterent to any other bugger who tries to mess us around in future.

 

Chez, why are you and others interested in how much this costs the club? It's not your money. Cortese has to answer to the owners. He is a smart man and will be able to justify his actions, be it in the long termor short term best interest of their investment. Gone are the days of financial instability, administration and a blood-sucking PLC structure - we need to move on and stop stressing about the clubs finances.