Turkish Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 I bet it mattered to liverpool fans watching Downing failing to put in anything resembling a decent cross in over 90 minutes of play.. £16m for Downing. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 [/b] Because he's still alright in league one, two years after doing alright in league one, yes? You must be right I suppose because you are so very sure of yourself. Any suggestion that the illustration below might be of some assistance to you is of course entirely out of the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 [/b] Because he's still alright in league one, two years after doing alright in league one, yes? Antonio can easily cut in the championship, if not higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Antonio can easily cut in the championship, if not higher. Not according to Brian McDermott! Maybe you know better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Antonio can easily cut in the championship, if not higher. Haven't you heard ? All young footballers who find themselves playing in L1 must therefore be utterly incapable of anything better - its called 'Turks Law'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Haven't you heard ? All young footballers who find themselves playing in L1 must therefore be utterly incapable of anything better - its called 'Turks Law'. He was okay for us nothing better. He's still playing in league one two years later, how can this be when he's so good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Not according to Brian McDermott! Maybe you know better Considering that Reading have had some of the best wingers in the league -Kebe and MacAnuff and McDermott has put together a successful, well-drilled side over the last two seasons, dont think its any slight on Antonio that his opportunities have been limited. That's the way things are sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Considering that Reading have had some of the best wingers in the league -Kebe and MacAnuff and McDermott has put together a successful, well-drilled side over the last two seasons, dont think its any slight on Antonio that his opportunities have been limited. That's the way things are sometimes. Can't get near the team. No where near it. He's 22 now not some 18 year old kid being loaned out for experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Considering that Reading have had some of the best wingers in the league -Kebe and MacAnuff and McDermott has put together a successful, well-drilled side over the last two seasons, dont think its any slight on Antonio that his opportunities have been limited. That's the way things are sometimes. So why only Sheff Weds (L1) to loan him and not a lower league champ side when he was availible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 (edited) He was okay for us nothing better. He's still playing in league one two years later, how can this be when he's so good? Sometimes in life what really matters is not where you are, but where you are going. In my judgment this player is (and always has been) very obviously heading for better things than L1. But I fear the forum may be becoming bored with my opinion, so lets take a look at what some Sheff Weds fans think: http://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/171414-antonio-batth/ I`ve got some apologising to do,3 days ago i said i didn`t reckon antonio would be upto championship football yet and i thought we should go for a more proven player,i completely retract those words on the basis of today,he was quality and stood out by a country mile,DJ,do everything you can to sign this guy I don't claim to know exactly how high he will go in the game, you can never be that certain about players, but I reckon you've underestimated him. Edited 5 May, 2012 by CHAPEL END CHARLIE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 So why only Sheff Weds (L1) to loan him and not a lower league champ side when he was availible? Because loaning out good players to your rivals is never a clever idea. But L1 football is still competitive enough and of a good enough quality (at the top, especially) to aid his development. Plus finances might have played a part and you never know, lower NPC clubs might have been interested but Antonio wanted to go to Sheff Weds and compete for the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Sometimes in life what really matters is not where you are, but where you are going. In my judgment this player is (and always has been)very obviously heading for better things than L1. But I fear the forum may be becoming bored with my opinion, so lets take a look at what some Sheff Weds fans think: http://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/171414-antonio-batth/ I don't know how exactly how high he will go in the game, you can never be that certain about players, but I reckon you've underestimated him. As per above he's 22. Where he was 2 years ago was league one where he is today is league one, where he is going, who knows. I'm sure Notts County fans are creaming themselves over Jonno quicks performances for them, does that mean he's a premier legue player and going places as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Because loaning out good players to your rivals is never a clever idea. But L1 football is still competitive enough and of a good enough quality (at the top, especially) to aid his development. Plus finances might have played a part and you never know, lower NPC clubs might have been interested but Antonio wanted to go to Sheff Weds and compete for the title. Makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 As per above he's 22. Where he was 2 years ago was league one where he is today is league one, where he is going, who knows. I'm sure Notts County fans are creaming themselves over Jonno quicks performances for them, does that mean he's a premier legue player and going places as well? You seem to be laboring under the impression that Antonio's only significant asset is pure pace, that's just not the young player that I remember and the record shows he's scoring important goals, not just running defences. As for his age, 22 hardly makes him the Old Man of the Sea does it, and in any case examples of good players who developed more slowly than some others are legion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Can't get near the team. No where near it. He's 22 now not some 18 year old kid being loaned out for experience. Lets not forget that he broke into football through the nonleagues via Tooting, so he's a late starter and has been playing catch-up. And the last couple of years have done him no good at all. The lad has needed to settle down -but apart from season with us and a few start-stop spells with Colchester and Sheff W (both of which have been v.successful), he's hardly played any football. Reading had every right to keep him but breaking into a successful side with the likes of Kebe/Mcanuff in front of you was always a tall ask (most Reading fans I know -thank god I don't work there- rate him higher than Robson Kanu who is third choice winger). Which is to say that unlike Jonno who played more than 100 games for Scunny and frankly struggled with us in L1, its too early to draw the same conclusions on Antonio. Finally, I agree with you- raw pace means f**k all. But Antonio also has power -rare in a winger- as well as a pretty decent finish. I was disappointed that Waigo wasn't given more chances with us; but I couldn't begrudge Antonio that he made RM his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Within 6 months of signing for Everton Beattie was involved in a simple punch up and red carded. The guy is passionate about his game. Strange that back then no one was on here gloating about it. What a sad element have attached itself to what was once the most decent, most considerate and best supporters in the country. Haven't seen the same title being written about throughout the media. Nowadays, our very own supporters are so fast to cast muck and scandal about our players, past and present, instead of keeping quiet about stuff that ruins careers, families and trust. It wasn't a punch up, he headbutted William Gallas in the back of the head whilst running after him. Only Beats will know why he did that. Where are people gloating and casting muck? Pretty much everyone loved Beattie whilst he was here. Some would have taken him back, others wouldn't and now most people are in agreement that his career is going badly. You're just making things up about our own fans so you can take the moral high ground over them. You're not the only one. There seem to be an awful lot of high horse, "our fans our idiots" posts on here, it's quite sad really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Great player for Saints, was gutted when he left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedmaul Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Trouble seems to follow James around, it's not a coincidence, perhaps he should look at himself. Great player though under Strachan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 Antonio is no more that an upper L1 / lower NPC. If he were any good & above that level then one of the lower level EPL teams would have taken a punt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted 5 May, 2012 Share Posted 5 May, 2012 It's a good job not everyone thought the same of Rickie Lambert. He spent most of his younger career "struggling" around L1 and L2. I'm not saying for a second that the 2 are comparable, but just because Antonio has been serving his time and strengthening his game in L1 doesn't mean he can't make the step up to the Championship. I think he would have made just as much of an impact with us as DeRidder did last season (OK...that's not exactly a glowing recommendation...but I'm sure you get my point) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Waigo Now there was a shyte player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 You must be right I suppose because you are so very sure of yourself. Any suggestion that the illustration below might be of some assistance to you is of course entirely out of the question. Their backwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Antonio is no more that an upper L1 / lower NPC. If he were any good & above that level then one of the lower level EPL teams would have taken a punt. ermmm Rickie Lambert??? (or Grant Holt) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Waigo Now there was a shyte player I'm still glad he played for us though...I think he helped to make the first season in league one a fun one.....gave us all a good laugh and helped us win the JPT that last gasp goal against Norwich in the JPT run was got me jumping around like a loon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 ermmm Rickie Lambert??? (or Grant Holt) They ain't nippers though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 They ain't nippers though. ?????? what has that got to do with anything? were they signed up by top teams (and retained) as youngsters...no they weren't yet next season they'll both be playing in the PL. The idea that Antonio has some how proved he is not up to it becuase at 22 a championship team hasn't taken a punt on him is complete nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 I'm still glad he played for us though...I think he helped to make the first season in league one a fun one.....gave us all a good laugh and helped us win the JPT that last gasp goal against Norwich in the JPT run was got me jumping around like a loon. Wasn't just me and my 40 & 50 something mates bouncing round like loons when the ball went in off Papa's backside!......... Phew!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Waigo Now there was a shyte player Not according to some on here. The reason he was always offside and mistimed runs was because he was so much better than everyone else he was always thinking so far ahead the other players couldn't keep up with him. Like Antonio I'm surprised no top flight clubs anywhere in the world have picked up on this incredible ability and am amazed he is now a squad player with Serie B Ascoli and not lighting up Serie A, La Liga or the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 ?????? what has that got to do with anything? were they signed up by top teams (and retained) as youngsters...no they weren't yet next season they'll both be playing in the PL. The idea that Antonio has some how proved he is not up to it becuase at 22 a championship team hasn't taken a punt on him is complete nonsense. If you think he's good enough for the EPL then good for you. To me, he's average at best and isn't good enough to get beyond that. As I said, he's young and English and if he'd been any good a lower end EPL club would have taken a punt. They haven't because he's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorpG Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Antonio - good player for us. That said we have moved on to the Premiership - he is playing for Sheffield Wednesday. He may turn out to be a decent player, but I hope our horizons are a bit wider than that - we need to survive the Premiership with a squad of players who are untested at that level - not a time to bring in Leaue One wingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Antonio - good player for us. That said we have moved on to the Premiership - he is playing for Sheffield Wednesday. He may turn out to be a decent player, but I hope our horizons are a bit wider than that - we need to survive the Premiership with a squad of players who are untested at that level - not a time to bring in Leaue One wingers. Anthony Pilkington will agree i'm sure. It's a case of horses for courses. Individual players do not matter so much as the entire team, if we can sign someone that improves what we have while encouraging the whole then thumbs up for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Anthony Pilkington will agree i'm sure. It's a case of horses for courses. Individual players do not matter so much as the entire team, if we can sign someone that improves what we have while encouraging the whole then thumbs up for me. pilkington is technically excellent...antonio is not sprinters are 10-a-penny....class like pilkington, is not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 pilkington is technically excellent...antonio is not sprinters are 10-a-penny....class like pilkington, is not The point was 'League 1 wingers.' You can get diamonds in the rough. Best not to tar them all with the same brush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 The point was 'League 1 wingers.' You can get diamonds in the rough. Best not to tar them all with the same brush. im not..just don't think antonio is as good as pilkington..I may be wrong but I definitely am not thus far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 im not..just don't think antonio is as good as pilkington..I may be wrong but I definitely am not thus far Well, I was focusing on the 'League One' wingers point, rather then a direct comparison of the two guys. I do not dissagree that Pilks is a better all round player then Antonio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 If you think he's good enough for the EPL then good for you. To me, he's average at best and isn't good enough to get beyond that. As I said, he's young and English and if he'd been any good a lower end EPL club would have taken a punt. They haven't because he's not. I have no idea if Antonio is good enough for the PL (I think we missed the chance to sign a player two seasons back that we could have improved ,the same way we have with Lambert, but wouldn't sign him now). My whole point is your arguement is nonsense Lambert (and Holt and probably loads of others If I could be bothered to look) shows that just becuase you haven't been signed up to a PL team at 22 your not good enough for the Pl are in fact a league one player at best. Not everyone in the PL is an Oxo or Walcott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Sheff Weds fan dont rate Antonio http://www.sheffwed.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=16350&posts=9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Sheff Weds fan dont rate Antonio http://www.sheffwed.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=16350&posts=9 Looks like you can't read, most of them saying it would be a steal to get him for 750k, others simply comparing him to Marshall, whoever he is. I suspect there is something in the rumour, otherwise Reading would have released him at the same time as the other 13. They know that he is actually worth something by selling rather than releasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve f 48 Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I am utterly sick and tired of somebody starting a thread about Beattie. Will Mods please ban the subject? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 I am utterly sick and tired of somebody starting a thread about Beattie. Will Mods please ban the subject? Do you hate Beattie that much? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 7 May, 2012 Share Posted 7 May, 2012 Clips from Beattie's Saints career, some good memories in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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