supersonic Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Although not Saints related, I feel it needs to be bought to our attention. There is a petition for the inquest into 15 year old Kevin William's death at Hillsborough, led by his mother. The petition closes at 4pm today and 100,000 signatures are needed. Please sign the petition http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/19149 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 (edited) sorry but why? whats the point? Hillsborough was a terrible tragedy and mistakes were made on the day 23 years ago by police, fans and club officials. A new inquest for one lad isnt going to bring him back, add to the knowledge which already exists or help prevent another incident like it occurring. Terracing has already been abolished and seating everywhere introduced. Edited 19 January, 2012 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 sorry but why? whats the point? Hillsborough was a terrible tragedy and mistakes were made on the day 23 years ago by police, fans and club officials. A new inquest for one lad isnt going to bring him back, add to the knowledge which already exists or help prevent another incident like occurring. You're right, it won't bring him back, but a father deserves to know how and why his son died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 You're right, it won't bring him back, but a father deserves to know how and why his son died. Absolutely. You think that isnt known? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Absolutely. You think that isnt known? Not the full details of how and why; of course not. The whole 3.15pm cut off is a huge factor at the centre of controversy, and it deserves at least further investigation and enquiry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Not being funny, I genuinly don't know anything about this case, but why them over everyone else who died? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 I think that if you get one case opened then it seems logical the other cases will follow. It only takes one sample case to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 100000 now reached Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Not being funny, I genuinly don't know anything about this case, but why them over everyone else who died? The more you read about it, the more you understand and empathise with it. At the time, the coroner stated for fact that everyone who died, was dead before 3.15pm. Therefore any events that happened after that time were never taken into account in the enquiry. Some very difficult questions (such as why were ambulances held back outside the ground while people were dying) never really got answered, and the truth of whether people's lives could have actually been saved was never allowed to be investigated further. While it's considered likely that the majority of people had probably died by 3.15pm, there is supposedly a body evidence that this wasn't the case in a number of individual cases. Such as this one. IMO any action that can reveal the full details from that day can only be a good thing. Yes, nothing will bring the dead back, and of course many improvements have since been made in terms of policing and crowd control at football. But that doesn't negate the need for ALL of the facts to come out, even if it does become mroe of a finger pointing exercise. And if helps some of these parents and families to even get a bit closer to some form of closure, then it serves a purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 sorry but why? whats the point? Hillsborough was a terrible tragedy and mistakes were made on the day 23 years ago by police, fans and club officials. A new inquest for one lad isnt going to bring him back, add to the knowledge which already exists or help prevent another incident like it occurring. Terracing has already been abolished and seating everywhere introduced. His mum wants answers on the circumstances that led to his tragic death. Perfectly understandable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 The more you read about it, the more you understand and empathise with it. At the time, the coroner stated for fact that everyone who died, was dead before 3.15pm. Therefore any events that happened after that time were never taken into account in the enquiry. Some very difficult questions (such as why were ambulances held back outside the ground while people were dying) never really got answered, and the truth of whether people's lives could have actually been saved was never allowed to be investigated further. While it's considered likely that the majority of people had probably died by 3.15pm, there is supposedly a body evidence that this wasn't the case in a number of individual cases. Such as this one. IMO any action that can reveal the full details from that day can only be a good thing. Yes, nothing will bring the dead back, and of course many improvements have since been made in terms of policing and crowd control at football. But that doesn't negate the need for ALL of the facts to come out, even if it does become mroe of a finger pointing exercise. And if helps some of these parents and families to even get a bit closer to some form of closure, then it serves a purpose. Really good reply. I was pleased to sign. Can't turn the clock back but the mother needs closure and if she feels that will mean an inquest, good luck in her efforts. If the grummur and Spulling police spot any errors, go **** off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 I know for sure that, if this was my son, I'd be doing exactly what Anne Williams is doing. For most of us (me included) Hillsborough is a distant memory, but Anne Williams is still stuck on that tragic day. I cant even begin to think about how she must feel... I hope she get the answers and closure she is looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Disgusted. Telling me each time that confirmation emails can't be sent out till tomorrow. What kind of people created websites that do such things a few hours before the petition closes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Disgusted. Telling me each time that confirmation emails can't be sent out till tomorrow. What kind of people created websites that do such things a few hours before the petition closes. It's got well in excess of 100,000 petitions now, so it will be debated in the Commons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 It's got well in excess of 100,000 petitions now, so it will be debated in the Commons. Not so, that magic figure only means an MP can raise it in Parliment, it's not a given! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Not so, that magic figure only means an MP can raise it in Parliment, it's not a given! True, but I'd be amazed if it got swept under the carpet any further. Dalglish has publicly supported her campaign, as have the Liverpool MPs, so it'll only gain further credence from here on in. Shocking that it's taken so long and such measures to get to this point. I've heard reports that the medical staff that treated her son said that, at 4pm, he called out for his mother. Which, if true, obviously blows the whole 3.15pm cut off wide open, and should in itself alone have led to a re-opening of the enquiry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 The issue aside (and god knows how horrible it must be to lose a child), I feel that there are two many (repeated) inquiries into events that are distant in the memory. Will another investigation (at significant public cost) really tell us anything of value that wasn't uncovered by the Taylor Report, the Coroners Report, the Independent Panel, a Private Prosecution, 2 Psychiatric Injury claims, multiple parliamentary debates, hours of documentaries and multiple books? I question the value as often these are championed by family members seeking a closure that will never come. This is not specific to Hillsborough, more a symptom of peoples inability to accept that horrible accidents happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Thanks to the misuse of the apostrophe, you managed to spell the name wrong of the person for whom you seem to care so much. His name is not Kevin William. Disrespectful ? e-Petitions are a waste of time anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 about time this was raised, no one at all has mentioned anything about an enquiry for 23 years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 about time this was raised, no one at all has mentioned anything about an enquiry for 23 years now. Yet its only now that its beginning to look like the complete truth may be allowed to come out. There has never been a full and proper enquiry into the events that happened after 3.15pm. Not even after 23 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximus Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Some of the attitudes on here are disgusting, waste of time? spelling mistakes? disgraceful, if it was your child, how would you feel? you'd want to know everything and you would want JUSTICE, that's all this poor family want, just sign it and shut up, some of you make ashamed to be a saints fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Some of the attitudes on here are disgusting, waste of time? spelling mistakes? disgraceful, if it was your child, how would you feel? you'd want to know everything and you would want JUSTICE, that's all this poor family want, just sign it and shut up, some of you make ashamed to be a saints fan. Glad someone beat me to this sentiment. Some people are ****in unbelieveable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 I happen to think getting the person's name right is a rather important element of respecting their memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Glad someone beat me to this sentiment. Some people are ****in unbelieveable. x2 !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 19 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 19 January, 2012 I happen to think getting the person's name right is a rather important element of respecting their memory. Grow up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints 6 Derby 4 Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Thanks to the misuse of the apostrophe, you managed to spell the name wrong of the person for whom you seem to care so much. His name is not Kevin William. Disrespectful ? e-Petitions are a waste of time anyway. Should truth and justice only be available to literate and articulate people then? What IQ would you propose for a cut-off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Updated news from BBC Radio Merseyside's correspondent Mike Hughes: The Attorney General says he'll look at all the evidence surrounding the death of Kevin Williams. He MAY call a new inquest without a debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 20 January, 2012 Share Posted 20 January, 2012 The issue aside (and god knows how horrible it must be to lose a child), I feel that there are two many (repeated) inquiries into events that are distant in the memory. Will another investigation (at significant public cost) really tell us anything of value that wasn't uncovered by the Taylor Report, the Coroners Report, the Independent Panel, a Private Prosecution, 2 Psychiatric Injury claims, multiple parliamentary debates, hours of documentaries and multiple books? I question the value as often these are championed by family members seeking a closure that will never come. This is not specific to Hillsborough, more a symptom of peoples inability to accept that horrible accidents happen. That is because the initial inquiries are white washes leaving more questions unanswered, they kick it into the long grass and leave families to fight for years to get justice. We should do it right in the first place but we are institutionally opposed to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 20 January, 2012 Share Posted 20 January, 2012 The issue aside (and god knows how horrible it must be to lose a child), I feel that there are two many (repeated) inquiries into events that are distant in the memory. Will another investigation (at significant public cost) really tell us anything of value that wasn't uncovered by the Taylor Report, the Coroners Report, the Independent Panel, a Private Prosecution, 2 Psychiatric Injury claims, multiple parliamentary debates, hours of documentaries and multiple books? I question the value as often these are championed by family members seeking a closure that will never come. This is not specific to Hillsborough, more a symptom of peoples inability to accept that horrible accidents happen. I would suggest that you stop pontificating on a subject you and I know little about and leave it to the people of Liverpool who were cruelly treated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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