The Majestic Channon Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 After reading 'no one is innocent', Alan parker's latest book on Sid , i'm not at all sure he did for various reasons. Superb book btw, or is it just me intrested in that kind of thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Who cares ? They were a pair of skag heads, one was ugly and one couldnt play bass guitar very well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rut Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Who cares ? They were a pair of skag heads, one was ugly and one couldnt play bass guitar very well... You really do think you have to reply to every thread don't you? Normally I just skip past your innate rants but had no choice this time. Ho hum. Whatever. /ignore Anyway - back to the question (a good one). I've not read that book (yet) - can you give us a quick summary of why you think Sid is innocent (good Exploited song BTW). I always think that Sid's time in the USA was all a bit 'iffy'. Who really knows what went on at the Chelsea Hotel that night but something definitely didn't seem quite right about it all. Have your read 'Lobotomy' by Dee Dee Ramone? It's a bit painful to read (he is all over the place) but it is a good insight to how fcked up a lot of 'em were. Give it a go if you get the chance. It was definitely a screwy time in the NYC Punk scene around that time. Sid was definitely in a bit of a mess which makes it so easy to believe he did kill Nancy. For that reason alone I'd like to think he didn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 You really do think you have to reply to every thread don't you? Normally I just skip past your innate rants but had no choice this time. Ho hum. Whatever. /ignore Erm, yes !! And I pay for the privellege, unlike tight wads like you. And its "inane" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Erm, yes !! And I pay for the privellege, unlike tight wads like you. And its "inane" It's also privilege too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 It's also privilege too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 19 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 19 January, 2012 You really do think you have to reply to every thread don't you? Normally I just skip past your innate rants but had no choice this time. Ho hum. Whatever. /ignore Anyway - back to the question (a good one). I've not read that book (yet) - can you give us a quick summary of why you think Sid is innocent (good Exploited song BTW). I always think that Sid's time in the USA was all a bit 'iffy'. Who really knows what went on at the Chelsea Hotel that night but something definitely didn't seem quite right about it all. Have your read 'Lobotomy' by Dee Dee Ramone? It's a bit painful to read (he is all over the place) but it is a good insight to how fcked up a lot of 'em were. Give it a go if you get the chance. It was definitely a screwy time in the NYC Punk scene around that time. Sid was definitely in a bit of a mess which makes it so easy to believe he did kill Nancy. For that reason alone I'd like to think he didn't... A couple of reasons why sid MAY be innocent 1/ Local dealer/ police informer ' rockets redglare' delivered dilaudid capsules to their room at 3-15 am , next morning a wad of cash which sid and nancy was known to have was missing, that evening the 'skint' redglare was flashing money in a local bar whilst using blood stainedbank notes!!!! fishy to say the least. 2/ If sid woke at 9.30 am as the police reports said, medical reports say he would almost certainly have been in a black out at the time nancy was supposed to have died Apparently redglare admitted to the murder to a number of people before his own death in 1999.. Not read dee dee ramones book no,hopefully will though! Englands dreaming is in the post on it's way to me though, you read it? If it's as good as' no irish no blacks no dogs' i'll be happy Alpine- Maybe if you grew up watching your mum lying on the sofa shooting up virtually every day you might have been a skag head too F uck knows who killed nancy but sid's mum killed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andysstuff Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Never know if the story of his mum dropping his ashes at Heathrow is true or an urban legend. Anyone throw any light on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 19 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Never know if the story of his mum dropping his ashes at Heathrow is true or an urban legend. Anyone throw any light on it? Yeah she brings that up in the book ( the author lived with her for a few weeks while writing) that story is complete rubbish, she scattered sid's ashes over nancy's grave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 19 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Actually thats wrong she topped herself in 96, so it wasn't during writing he lived with her, but the his latest book was the first time he used what she told him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andysstuff Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Always struck me as too far fetched, even for him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Interesting question I never really gave much thought about it but the op has provoked me to do some further research . I did read last Saturday's match thread as I new the resident depressive would spoil my afternoon . I come on here and he has infected a good debating issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 According to malcolm maclaren, yes he did. Not that that carries much weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 21 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 January, 2012 Englands dreaming arrived in the post yesterday, 632 pages on the pistols and the 70's punk rock movement in england in general, hope it lives up to my expectations , it's supposed to be the ' punk bible'. I hope someone writes a biography on poly styrene someday, think jimmey pursey should write his too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rut Posted 22 January, 2012 Share Posted 22 January, 2012 I read 'England's Dreaming' a while back and remember it being a pretty decent book. The funny thing with the Pistols is that if it wasn't for the interview in the video below they could well have been a pretty much nothing band. This interview (that only went out on local London TV) put them on the front pages and as they say - the rest is history... If it wasn't for Queen (who were also on EMI at the time) pulling out of this interview then it wouldn't have happened. If Siouxsie Sioux hadn't said 'I've always wanted to meet you' - if Grundy hadn't have had a good few before it... etc etc. This video includes some comments on it from those involved - NSFW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p25SdQEnhHI I watched 'Who Killed Nancy?' (the film) yesterday. SPOILER: | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | \/ It leaves the viewer with the conclusion that some mush called Michael was the probable killer - not Rockets Redglare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 22 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 22 January, 2012 I read 'England's Dreaming' a while back and remember it being a pretty decent book. The funny thing with the Pistols is that if it wasn't for the interview in the video below they could well have been a pretty much nothing band. This interview (that only went out on local London TV) put them on the front pages and as they say - the rest is history... If it wasn't for Queen (who were also on EMI at the time) pulling out of this interview then it wouldn't have happened. If Siouxsie Sioux hadn't said 'I've always wanted to meet you' - if Grundy hadn't have had a good few before it... etc etc. This video includes some comments on it from those involved - NSFW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p25SdQEnhHI I watched 'Who Killed Nancy?' (the film) yesterday. SPOILER: | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | \/ It leaves the viewer with the conclusion that some mush called Michael was the probable killer - not Rockets Redglare. Rockets redglare's real name was michael morro You seen de generation punk? imo thats one of the best punk documentries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 22 January, 2012 Share Posted 22 January, 2012 Englands dreaming arrived in the post yesterday, 632 pages on the pistols and the 70's punk rock movement in england in general, hope it lives up to my expectations , it's supposed to be the ' punk bible'. I hope someone writes a biography on poly styrene someday, think jimmey pursey should write his too. I hope youve got plenty of time on your hands, I got a third of the way through Englands Dreaming before giving up in despair. Its sort of interesting and its my era, but my god is it turgidly written. Do yourself a favour, put the thing down and get John Lydons No Blacks, No Irish, No Dogs, that is an absolutely brilliant read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 23 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 23 January, 2012 I hope youve got plenty of time on your hands, I got a third of the way through Englands Dreaming before giving up in despair. Its sort of interesting and its my era, but my god is it turgidly written. Do yourself a favour, put the thing down and get John Lydons No Blacks, No Irish, No Dogs, that is an absolutely brilliant read. I have read that myself and your right it's excellent. Read about 8 pages of englands dreaming and so far it's a bit too detailed for my liking, for example i'm not intrested in a 100 year history of malcom mclarens shop in kings road before he started up ' sex'. was hoping the book would improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 29 June, 2012 Author Share Posted 29 June, 2012 Just come across this from the disastrous final tour, been wanting to see it for years http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRhlWESkLHs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 7 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 7 December, 2012 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1127035/Did-Sid-really-kill-Nancy--Explosive-new-evidence-suggests-punk-rocker-innocent.html This explains the book better than i could. Was listening to the most underated pistols track ' i wanna be me' and felt compelled to google nancy spungeon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 7 December, 2012 Share Posted 7 December, 2012 I don't think we'll ever find out what happened. Too many conflicting stories. And John Lydon's book is excellent. Insightful first comment from Alpine, well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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