alpine_saint Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 If we were to be successful in prising away Hooper from Celtic (looks unlikely), we would clearly have had the best transfer period of the Championship teams, as it looks so far, with securing Jos, Lee, Falque and Hooper (I dont know if anything else is in the pipeline). In addition Rickie is coming back, and hopefully Chaplow and Fonte. Not sure that the likes of Barnard, Holmes and even maybe SDR have a role to play any more this season, and if we are promoted maybe we wont see much more of them.... My question is, we are just starting to get our form back together, so is all this sudden activity going to destabillise the team ? I know NA has been round the block a few times, but not in this position where he is at the top of the Championship, with 20 games to go, and at the point where the success of the season can probably be measured and defined in terms of single decisions. I am chuffed at the fact things are now happening on the transfer front, and even more chuffed the team is now holding its own during Rickie's suspension and Chaplow's absence, but I am afraid of starting to hear the Burley-esque dreaded "gelling" excuses in response to mediocre performances, if they occur. Anyone else a little concerned amongst the feelings of excitement ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 Glass half full, Alps... Good to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danish Saint Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 Sometimes I honestly don't get you Alps... Most of the time, you're arguing over the lack of activity in the transfer marked, seeing it as the club is not being ambitious enough. Now we've signed two new players, one being a loan, that can be send back. Jos has been here a while and seems fully integrated. And now that's exciting and bad at the same time?! In all your time arguing for more signings, now all of a sudden you're concerned about destabilizing the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 Sometimes I honestly don't get you Alps... Most of the time, you're arguing over the lack of activity in the transfer marked, seeing it as the club is not being ambitious enough. Now we've signed two new players, one being a loan, that can be send back. Jos has been here a while and seems fully integrated. And now that's exciting and bad at the same time?! In all your time arguing for more signings, now all of a sudden you're concerned about destabilizing the team? Have to agree on that, "sudden activity" is a concern to the ONE poster who became quite aggressive in his opnion that we were acting too slowly in the market is a real head shaker. To answer the OP, Adam Lallana's tweet about how excited he is to have YF join and how he is looking forward to training should be the answer. Also I think that Guly may actually be on his knees in thanks that he may actually get a rest at last. Jos & SDR settled in to the "team ethic" really quickly as did Jack Cork & Danny Fox. The only way I see it being a problem would be if one of the new group was an arrogant **** but I think we have seen that our Scouts look for players that fit our profile, not just the next big name from FM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 (edited) It shouldn't cause the team spirit any problems, since we haven't made that many signings. The two new players we have brought in are in areas we know needed improving, so it's not like we have a number of 'Superstars' in the team who will throw a temper tantrum. Generally we've benefited from competition for places, so if this means the likes of Guly and DC (the two most likely to be affected by this) have to step their game up and fight for their place, is that so terrible? The new signings wont go straight into the first team for this weekend in any case, so in the very short term it should be of benefit - the likes of Guly and DC really need to fight to keep their place. I would also imagine some other players will now be under no illusion that their future lies elsewhere though, particularly the likes of Dickson and Holmes who have struggled for games. Holmes especially is well down the pecking order now. The only person I do feel sorry for is SDR, who has a lot to offer and has shown signs of being great for us, but is now one step further away from a regular first team place. We're clearly aiming for promotion and building for the future now, which will always mean putting somebodies nose out of joint so the point is valid, but it shouldn't affect things in a big way. Edited 17 January, 2012 by RobM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 Not worried Alps TBH - I'd bet they will not all appear in the same team (well starting line up anyway) probably introduce from the bench after XX number of games. that seems to be the Adkins way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 You have to wonder how we can afford to keep paying win bonuses - perhaps we should think seriously about drawing more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ampersound Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 I'm not too worried about them having to gel. The core of the team is fine and the new players will help nip any complacency with the regulars in the bud as they will now have better competition for places. The guys seem to have a good working relationship on and off the pitch (if tweets are anything to go by). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 17 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 17 January, 2012 Have to agree on that, "sudden activity" is a concern to the ONE poster who became quite aggressive in his opnion that we were acting too slowly in the market is a real head shaker. FFS, have a word with yourself Phil. I am delighted that it seems our reinforcement strategy is coming together, all I am saying that the success of our season is probably dependent now on thin margins (a couple of points or maybe just GD) and therefore we need to make sure that the impact of the reinforcements are positive from the very beginning. I dont see that as negative, I dont see that as controversial. I just wonder how much of a challenge its going to be and hope that NA is on the ball with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 NA has never thrown any of his new signings straight in. 2-3 weeks getting them used to everything in training, then a sub appearance or 2, and then into the starting XI if he's up to it. Can see no reason for it to be different unless there's a crisis in a position one of these new boys play in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 17 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 17 January, 2012 NA has never thrown any of his new signings straight in. 2-3 weeks getting them used to everything in training, then a sub appearance or 2, and then into the starting XI if he's up to it. Can see no reason for it to be different unless there's a crisis in a position one of these new boys play in Well, thats an interesting dilemma for him this time round. We have some tough, tough games coming up in the next few weeks. Its a pity Lee's arrival from Japan is taking forever, he could have got a weeks training/familiarisation and been in with a shout of a bench place at least against Leicester otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 Alps point is right and was something that the panel on sky were talking about a few weeks ago. The biggest test for Adkins right now will be integrating the new players into the set up. I would argue that is his single biggest objective, which if gets right, everything else with follow. This is never more relevant than with the current Saints squad. A large part of what we have acheived (IMO) has been based on the closeness and team spirit that has been built. From the singing after promotion, to acknowledging something that Davis did when we were two nil up and into injury time, these guys are tight. Additionally they have all had their contracts extended and seem to have bought into the vision. puncheon was more than capable fo playing for us, but something was wrong and he was shipped out. That is the way it has to be. This is a squad of players and not a team (How many times have we heard Adkins say that? He needs to be absolutely certain on every player and then be prepared for the awkard questions, when a new hire starts over an existing one. Exciting times, but not without risk............So it's a good job we have one of the brightest managers in the Country to see us through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 Well, thats an interesting dilemma for him this time round. We have some tough, tough games coming up in the next few weeks. Its a pity Lee's arrival from Japan is taking forever, he could have got a weeks training/familiarisation and been in with a shout of a bench place at least against Leicester otherwise. We have. I suppose an advantage is that our games are fairly spread out at the moment, not saturday, tuesday, saturday, so plenty of time to work with the new boys in training. And with FA cup 4th round weekend coming up, that's another chance to play around a bit with the starting XI if he wants to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 17 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 17 January, 2012 Lets look at the 4 targets and assume no others for now, and consider the "integratability risk" : Lee - risk = None - Language and cultural familiarisation needed, will just do his thing and follow instructions from training staff Jos - risk = None - Already integrated superbly Falque - risk = small - Youngster, might have a bit of attitude, but then again he aint English where the problem is the worst. Hooper - risk = medium - Older player, big (for the Sweaties) club experience, doing well at the moment. Team Playing Balance - risk = High - but hopefully minimised because NA has watched them and knows what our team needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 FFS, have a word with yourself Phil. I am delighted that it seems our reinforcement strategy is coming together, all I am saying that the success of our season is probably dependent now on thin margins (a couple of points or maybe just GD) and therefore we need to make sure that the impact of the reinforcements are positive from the very beginning. I dont see that as negative, I dont see that as controversial. I just wonder how much of a challenge its going to be and hope that NA is on the ball with this. OK an honest response. I saw that we have put together a VERY strong backroom team led by Les Read. I saw that there was friction & division on this (on here and maybe at SMS) when AP was around. I FELT that the systems, processes and people we had put in place to build on our "sourcing of players" was strong I had confidence that the machine would have been working flat out all through the run up to 1st Jan to produce the targets that "The Club" (in which I include NA) wanted to sign. So I had confidence that the "lack of activity" in the first few days of the month was nothing to get excited about. Your opinion was valid but when others tried to reason you strongly. perhaps aggressively defended your own view and didn't actually acknowledge other views that perhaps things were being done. So anyway THAT raised the smile at my end - not you or me being right just that the middle ground should always be "a possibility" in a debate. Going back to Integration. The whole logic in my "opinion" of our Backroom team, and, to an extenet what we have seen on the pitch (in MOST games this season) also gives me confidence that we seek out not just players with Technical Abilities, but also that we seek out players with the right Mental Attitudes. It's the reasoning why I had always argued against Puncheon ever being allowed to get back on the bus. So, right Mental Attitude to fit into a proper TEAM environment, a backroom team that have clearly done wonders for our "L1 donkeys" like Hammond & RL and a Manager with a brain. I think we would actually ONLY be signing players that THEY all believe will integrate into the TEAM straight away, and, with a few appearances off the bench would then become 1st team regulars. I'd also argue a concern which is of course that the right Mental Attitude to integrate may NOT mean they become a 1st Team player - SDR is a good example of that (at the moment - he MAY have missed his chance now to establish himself because of his groin strain) and of course, the much lauded Lee Holmes is another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 Well, thats an interesting dilemma for him this time round. We have some tough, tough games coming up in the next few weeks. Its a pity Lee's arrival from Japan is taking forever, he could have got a weeks training/familiarisation and been in with a shout of a bench place at least against Leicester otherwise. You clearly have never had to have many dealings with a British Embassy & Visas.... Jeez the fun we used to have getting visit visas for "Foreign" employees and customers to visit factories in the UK. One staff member was transferred to UK and even once she had the approvals it still took nearly 3 months to get the final paperwork all in the same office at the same time. Sure that won't happen with Lee but it is understandable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 Personally I don't know why we bother signing players. Its far too risky a strategy. Stick with what we've got, I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 Personally I don't know why we bother signing players. Its far too risky a strategy. Stick with what we've got, I say. Sorry, but that was funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 I think the further down the line we are since Adkins' arrival, the easier it is for new players to integrate, because the whole squad helps out. In the beginning, NA was still developing the culture and the spirit but now, just like any successful organisation working under a good manager, the whole place reflects his approach and the staff and squad as a whole would all help with the integration of new players. In short, I'm not worried at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 I knew you'd be complaining about too many signings as soon as I saw the thread title. Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 I knew you'd be complaining about too many signings as soon as I saw the thread title. Unbelievable. Hang on, without dragging all this up again, this is one point I do agree with alps on... had this been posted by anyone else, it would've been taken at face value and replies would come accordingly. And with respect, I think a mod especially should be able to rise above that kind of response and play the ball, not the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 Hang on, without dragging all this up again, this is one point I do agree with alps on... had this been posted by anyone else, it would've been taken at face value and replies would come accordingly. And with respect, I think a mod especially should be able to rise above that kind of response and play the ball, not the man. With respect, thats nonsense. A mod should be able to recognise patterns of behaviour and act accordingly. You cant treat every post and thread as though its the first you've ever seen from a person - otherwise you end up continously giving destructive trolls the benefit of the doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 Hang on, without dragging all this up again, this is one point I do agree with alps on... had this been posted by anyone else, it would've been taken at face value and replies would come accordingly. And with respect, I think a mod especially should be able to rise above that kind of response and play the ball, not the man. ...but had it been anyone else, they would not have been going on about getting signings ASAP less than a week before. I agree with the point as well (although I don't see it as an issue) but it just seems like he is making unreasonable requests of the team and management right now. Serious question Alpine - when you were questioning our "lack" of transfer activity and asking for more to happen quicker, were you worried about gelling then or did you not think that far ahead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 Hang on, without dragging all this up again, this is one point I do agree with alps on... had this been posted by anyone else, it would've been taken at face value and replies would come accordingly. And with respect, I think a mod especially should be able to rise above that kind of response and play the ball, not the man. dont think hes playing the man here Minty. As a mod he does his job but that doesn't take away from his remit like anyone else on here to participate in (reasoned) conversation/debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 I agree that a massive amount of medium & high profile signing does not necessarily guarantee success. Look at Leicester. However I'm not particularly worried about integration. For once we have a manager & coaching staff that I trust to make the right decisions most of the time. Any problems with the team 'gelling' will be addressed and remedied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 I just see alpine asking a valid question, nothing more, nothing less. How can a poster be expected to change or contribute at all, if every post is treated with suspicion? Sorry for taking this off topic - I will drop it so the thread can hopefully continue with some meaningful replies, however I just think that every thread should be taken at face value and that we reply as we would hope someone would reply to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 Serious question Alpine - when you were questioning our "lack" of transfer activity and asking for more to happen quicker, were you worried about gelling then or did you not think that far ahead? Taking the point a bit further, it has already been mentioned on here that in order to compete in the PL, we may well have to sign better players who do not fit into our culture so well... that doesn't stop many people wanting to sign them and to deal with it when the problem arises. And many more who haven't thought about it at all. It's difficult - If we want to compete at the top level, something may have to give. It may not, we don't know yet. But as we progress we will encounter more problems, so I don't think we can all think so far ahead to pre-empt all such scenarios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 Gelling was just Burley's excuse for being a sh*t manager who wasted a lot of money. Building a new team pretty much from scratch like Leicester did and we did in we did under Pardew takes time, however we'd pretty much got things sorted after less than 2 months. Signing Falque, Lee and one other isn't going to rock the boat, especially seeing as they wont be starting games immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 I just see alpine asking a valid question, nothing more, nothing less. How can a poster be expected to change or contribute at all, if every post is treated with suspicion? Sorry for taking this off topic - I will drop it so the thread can hopefully continue with some meaningful replies, however I just think that every thread should be taken at face value and that we reply as we would hope someone would reply to us. To be fair to alpine, whom i have finally resigned to becoming a critic of in recent times (rightly or wrongly) he does appear to CURRENTLY be making a concerted effort to be much much more reasoned in his posts. Which I am sure has not gone unoticed on here hence the more welcoming responses I see, including my own. But going back to point, I do understand what you are saying, just dont think it is as relevant in Clarky's case. His opinion should carry equal worth to any other. His DIRECTION as a mod however should be treated with observance and there lies the distinction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 ...but had it been anyone else, they would not have been going on about getting signings ASAP less than a week before. I agree with the point as well (although I don't see it as an issue) but it just seems like he is making unreasonable requests of the team and management right now. Serious question Alpine - when you were questioning our "lack" of transfer activity and asking for more to happen quicker, were you worried about gelling then or did you not think that far ahead? I can't and wont answer on behalf of Alpine, but on that note, perhaps if signings were indeed brought in earlier there would be less of a concern about integration, as less games would have passed and more - even if it's only slightly more - time would be on our side. The longer we leave it, the sooner we need people up and running and the more pressure is on to perform, quickly. On a more off topic note, if it had been anybody else (as you open this post) would you have posted the same first response? Argue with the post, not the poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 I can't and wont answer on behalf of Alpine, but on that note, perhaps if signings were indeed brought in earlier there would be less of a concern about integration, as less games would have passed and more - even if it's only slightly more - time would be on our side. The longer we leave it, the sooner we need people up and running and the more pressure is on to perform, quickly. I sincerely expect the club brings players in as soon as is practically possible, bearing in mind the amount of negotiation that is required with clubs and players, not to mention other players, the signing of some being dependent on the signing or otherwise of others. Any club would want to get players in the building ASAP once identified, so I don't think it's a case of us 'leaving' anything, just the natural time that these things can take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 You're right, I'm sure of that, it was a comment for the sake of debate really as I do see where Alpine is coming from. I know NA made a comment when Lee was first confirmed that discussions had been ongoing for some time, I'm sure that doesn't just apply to him. I just worry that with every game that passes, the pressure on new players increases. On the flip side, the more games that pass, the more games the current squad will up their game in to impress and keep their position, so it's not all bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 The spine of the team KD Fonte Hammond Morgan Adam Rickie Have all played together for over 2 years along with other 1st team squad of Bart Martin Seaborne RJ Harding Barney DC Add in signings from last 18 months of Richardson Butterfield Jos Fox Cork Chaplow Guly SDR There are some big players ( but none bigger than the team ) who have made a big team spirt that has a winning mentality who all seem to get on well & play for each other, as long as new players are willing to join in they should be able to settle in with the ease of say Jos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Exciting times, I think we will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 I go along with the basic theory that we need new players , and they need to " gell " (what a stupid word"). However, in our set-up we can still field a strong side for most games, and just because someone has been signed this week / last week doesn't mean he ..HAS TO PLAY... in the next game, on the contrary I think a week or two on the bench, with a subbing in for 20-30 mins. is a better way of introducing new players. SURE..they may have trained together, and said hello in the dressing room, but sitting and watching the team play (from the bench) will give new people a better perspective of how we look when playing as a team, and where HE eventually might fit in. Good to have them signed, no panic to press them into service from Day 1 - we are still top of the league... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 (edited) If we were to be successful in prising away Hooper from Celtic (looks unlikely), we would clearly have had the best transfer period of the Championship teams, as it looks so far, with securing Jos, Lee, Falque and Hooper (I dont know if anything else is in the pipeline). In addition Rickie is coming back, and hopefully Chaplow and Fonte. Not sure that the likes of Barnard, Holmes and even maybe SDR have a role to play any more this season, and if we are promoted maybe we wont see much more of them.... My question is, we are just starting to get our form back together, so is all this sudden activity going to destabillise the team ? I know NA has been round the block a few times, but not in this position where he is at the top of the Championship, with 20 games to go, and at the point where the success of the season can probably be measured and defined in terms of single decisions. I am chuffed at the fact things are now happening on the transfer front, and even more chuffed the team is now holding its own during Rickie's suspension and Chaplow's absence, but I am afraid of starting to hear the Burley-esque dreaded "gelling" excuses in response to mediocre performances, if they occur. Anyone else a little concerned amongst the feelings of excitement ?? You really have to work hard to find a negative angle on the possibility of us signing players, but well done, there it is... Shall we all remind you of your numerous posts about us not adding to the squad often enough, or are you, as I suspect you are, more than aware that this is just another massive wind-up ? To actually answer the question in isolation : we have 2 opportunities a year to add players to the squad, in the summer and in January, so by definition there will be two periods when players come in "en masse". There is no obligation for anyone to get chucked straight into the team immediately when signed, we have already extended the integration period numerous times by signing loan-to-buys, and I fully expect Adkins to integrate the players over the course of the next few months, then do the same with our summer signings, effectively refreshing the entire starting line up over the course of 3 transfer windows without ever having to destabilise the team. In fact, the manager is doing things perfectly in terms of player integration. A more relevant question is what are we doing for the players we sign to assist them with integrating into their new surroundings, especially the likes of Tadanari Lee, who won't be used to the culture, surroundings, language, written text or anything? That's a load more work than just getting in some random europeans who need to learn a bit of English. Edited 18 January, 2012 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 I can't and wont answer on behalf of Alpine, but on that note, perhaps if signings were indeed brought in earlier there would be less of a concern about integration, as less games would have passed and more - even if it's only slightly more - time would be on our side. The longer we leave it, the sooner we need people up and running and the more pressure is on to perform, quickly. That wasn't his point though. His question was if the "sudden activity" was going to destabilise the team, and he we brought players in earlier it would have been even more sudden. On a more off topic note, if it had been anybody else (as you open this post) would you have posted the same first response? Argue with the post, not the poster. And as I said above, had it been anyone else they would not have been arguing for weeks about getting players in straight away as soon as the window opened. You cannot reasonably complain about not doing our business ASAP and then complain that we're signing too many too fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 18 January, 2012 You really have to work hard to find a negative angle on the possibility of us signing players, but well done, there it is... Shall we all remind you of your numerous posts about us not adding to the squad often enough, or are you, as I suspect you are, more than aware that this is just another massive wind-up ? To actually answer the question in isolation : we have 2 opportunities a year to add players to the squad, in the summer and in January, so by definition there will be two periods when players come in "en masse". There is no obligation for anyone to get chucked straight into the team immediately when signed, we have already extended the integration period numerous times by signing loan-to-buys, and I fully expect Adkins to integrate the players over the course of the next few months, then do the same with our summer signings, effectively refreshing the entire starting line up over the course of 3 transfer windows without ever having to destabilise the team. In fact, the manager is doing things perfectly in terms of player integration. A more relevant question is what are we doing for the players we sign to assist them with integrating into their new surroundings, especially the likes of Tadanari Lee, who won't be used to the culture, surroundings, language, written text or anything? That's a load more work than just getting in some random europeans who need to learn a bit of English. A reasonable post, apart from the wasted oxygen and time it took to type the first paragraph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 18 January, 2012 That wasn't his point though. His question was if the "sudden activity" was going to destabilise the team, and he we brought players in earlier it would have been even more sudden. And as I said above, had it been anyone else they would not have been arguing for weeks about getting players in straight away as soon as the window opened. You cannot reasonably complain about not doing our business ASAP and then complain that we're signing too many too fast. Come on then, when did I do that ? Imo you are abusing your position as a mod by mis-representing my comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 A reasonable post, apart from the wasted oxygen and time it took to type the first paragraph. It's necessary in the process of looking through the "It's Alpine" filter to seek something resembling a worthwhile discussion beneath. You should be glad that at least one of us still bothers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Come on then, when did I do that ? Imo you are abusing your position as a mod by mis-representing my comments Abusing my position would just be deleting the thread. I am merely expressing my own opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 I say delete the thread. I've already answered the question anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Never wrestle a pig. You both get dirty, but the pig will enjoy it an awful lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Lets look at the 4 targets and assume no others for now, and consider the "integratability risk" : Lee - risk = None - Language and cultural familiarisation needed, will just do his thing and follow instructions from training staff Jos - risk = None - Already integrated superbly Falque - risk = small - Youngster, might have a bit of attitude, but then again he aint English where the problem is the worst. Hooper - risk = medium - Older player, big (for the Sweaties) club experience, doing well at the moment. Team Playing Balance - risk = High - but hopefully minimised because NA has watched them and knows what our team needs. Hooper is 24 years old. How on earth you consider the "integratability" risk of a Japanese non speaking player as Zero, compared with an Englishman who has plied their trade throughout English leagues, and then into Scotland (where people draw comparisons with the Championship/League one standard) as "Medium" I do not know. I can only presume you are thinking "Hooper is English, therefore he is a more likely to ruin the team balance". And 2 "Zero" risks, 1 "Small" and 1 "Medium" equates into "High Risk" to the team playing balance (in your own criteria of course)... how does your mind work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangelyBrown Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Lets look at the 4 targets and assume no others for now, and consider the "integratability risk" : Lee - risk = None - Language and cultural familiarisation needed, will just do his thing and follow instructions from training staff Jos - risk = None - Already integrated superbly Falque - risk = small - Youngster, might have a bit of attitude, but then again he aint English where the problem is the worst. Hooper - risk = medium - Older player, big (for the Sweaties) club experience, doing well at the moment. Team Playing Balance - risk = High - but hopefully minimised because NA has watched them and knows what our team needs. Im not sure I understand where you are coming from with this post? Surely a high risk to the balance of the team would be to throw 5 or 6 new signings straight into the first team. History shows that this isnt NA's approach. Surely NA's mitigation will be to take a measured approach to introducing the players to the first team i.e. bringing players off the bench to begin with and not just the fact that he has watched them play? Consequently, the impact and likelihood of the risk would both be minimal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Reigned Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Any doubt that the OP is a troll has now disappeared in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Any doubt that the OP is a troll has now disappeared in my view. Quite. Why people continue to respond to him is bizarre imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 18 January, 2012 (edited) Hooper is 24 years old. How on earth you consider the "integratability" risk of a Japanese non speaking player as Zero, compared with an Englishman who has plied their trade throughout English leagues, and then into Scotland (where people draw comparisons with the Championship/League one standard) as "Medium" I do not know. I can only presume you are thinking "Hooper is English, therefore he is a more likely to ruin the team balance". And 2 "Zero" risks, 1 "Small" and 1 "Medium" equates into "High Risk" to the team playing balance (in your own criteria of course)... how does your mind work? Last time I looked, 24 was older than 21 and 19 and no longer constitutes a youth player/apprenctice.. When I was talking about the individuals, I was thinking about personality, ego, sociability, following instructions. When I was talking about team balance, I was thinking about if they were all introduced into the team in fairly short order. I thought it was fairly obvious and straightforward what I meant, sorry if that is not the case. Or is it just because the poster was "alpine_saint" and you had to find an angle to be argumentative ??? Edited 18 January, 2012 by alpine_saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Quite. Why people continue to respond to him is bizarre imo. Or talk about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Any doubt that the OP is a troll has now disappeared in my view. I suggest visiting a pyschotherapist in that case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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