Saint_clark Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 . Davis Richardson - Fonte(?) - Jos . Fox De Ridder . Cork . Morgan .Lallana Guly - Connolly Subs: Bart, Martin, Chaplow, Falque, Lee Hammond dropped from the squad altogether?
Avenue Saint Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 thought he couldve had day off clarky my man, but just discovered Chaplow still not fit so would have him on bench.
Window Cleaner Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 (edited) . Davis Richardson - Fonte(?) - Jos . Fox De Ridder . Cork . Morgan .Lallana Guly - Connolly Subs: Bart, Martin, Chaplow, Falque, Lee Key match for the promotion campaign, after Leicester and Cardiff it's all downhill at home and these 10 matches will decide just how simple (or not) being 1st or 2nd will be. If we can take say 25 out of 30 at home that leaves us just needing a handful of points from the 10 aways, I'd guess that the starting 11 will look very much like that of last Saturday dependant on the status of Fonte and Richardson.If they're both ready straight post for post swap for Harding and Martin, other than that steady as you go. Subs bench will be much changed though but once again totally dependant on the fitness of Fonte and Richardson. Edited 17 January, 2012 by Window Cleaner
Saint_clark Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 thought he couldve had day off clarky my man, but just discovered Chaplow still not fit so would have him on bench. Fair enough, although the team will have had over a week to rest/prepare for the Leicester match.
Jack Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 I'd stick with Saturday's starting XI, maybe just FR to come back in for Harding. I see no reason to change the midfield, they were very decent on Saturday. Dropping Deano out of the XI, let alone the squad, would be madness
Professor Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 Lighthouse and SourMash don't have a defender on the bench, so I'd adapt their selection as:- Davis Richardson - Fonte if fit, or Martin - Hooiveld - Fox Cork - Morgan - Hammond - Lallana Connolly - Guly Subs: Bart; Harding; Falque; Lee; De Ridder (or Martin if Fonte starts). If Martin plays because Fonte is still not fit, the CB back-up is Cork, freed-up by bringing on Falque or de Ridder.
jjsaint Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 Got a meeting Monday night until 9. Can't even watch it on TV. Gutted.
Sour Mash Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 Lighthouse and SourMash don't have a defender on the bench, so I'd adapt their selection as:- Davis Richardson - Fonte if fit, or Martin - Hooiveld - Fox Cork - Morgan - Hammond - Lallana Connolly - Guly Subs: Bart; Harding; Falque; Lee; De Ridder (or Martin if Fonte starts). If Martin plays because Fonte is still not fit, the CB back-up is Cork, freed-up by bringing on Falque or de Ridder. I'll think you'll find I did. On a related note, I'd come back to not playing a sub keeper, still believe it is overly cautious when only having the option of 5 on the bench and would be very frustrating leaving some of our players out of the squad for Bart to sit on the bench for 90mins.
Avenue Saint Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 Fair enough, although the team will have had over a week to rest/prepare for the Leicester match. what can i say mate, if im being honest, i am not hammonds biggest fan... No doubt he has improved his game like a lot of others this season but i still see him as a "grit" player and less so talent. The issue i have when i watch him closely during games is that he is quite often half a yard (in thinking) behind most of the players around him. Where Adkins wants to take this team in terms of the "southampton style", i cant see how long he will last on the journey. He obviously brings something to the dressing room otherwise wouldnt be captain but I would seriously consider getting someone in with more technical ability but the same play breaking "grit" value in the near future.
Saint_John Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 The 4th Offical is due to be Andy D'Urso. Those of you near the dugouts will have a chance to tell him what you think of his refereeing at brighton a couple of weeks ago. The Ref is due to be Neil Swarbrick. Last Saints game was a 3-1 win at Hartlepool in 2009, before that a 1-1 draw at Coventry and a 2-1 defeat at Stoke in 2007.
Andy Durman Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 You obviously weren't at Nottingham. You would never in a million years consider dropping Hammond on that performance. Hammond, Cork and Schneiderlin are learning to play together. They are the first 3 picked on my team sheet for Leicester.
Jack Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 You obviously weren't at Nottingham. You would never in a million years consider dropping Hammond on that performance. Hammond, Cork and Schneiderlin are learning to play together. They are the first 3 picked on my team sheet for Leicester. This. With Cork on the right again. Morgan and Deano have to be the middle pair when all three play.
Avenue Saint Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 You obviously weren't at Nottingham. You would never in a million years consider dropping Hammond on that performance. Hammond, Cork and Schneiderlin are learning to play together. They are the first 3 picked on my team sheet for Leicester. No you're right i wasnt. Just caught second half on stream. I hope he continues playing well and to be proved wrong.
Window Cleaner Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 The 4th Offical is due to be Andy D'Urso. Those of you near the dugouts will have a chance to tell him what you think of his refereeing at brighton a couple of weeks ago. . For which he will no doubt write us up, along with tepid pies and weak tea or something.
Window Cleaner Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 This. With Cork on the right again. Morgan and Deano have to be the middle pair when all three play. Having all three allows all of them to get forward more and a better defensive structure,if you look at Saturday's game you'll see just how much they all help out the defence at times, always one of them on hand in case any of the defenders get skinned or cock-up.Must be reassuring for the 2 CBs to know that help is usually at hand.
Appy Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 Key match for the promotion campaign, after Leicester and Cardiff it's all downhill at home and these 10 matches will decide just how simple (or not) being 1st or 2nd will be. If we can take say 25 out of 30 at home that leaves us just needing a handful of points from the 10 aways, I'd guess that the starting 11 will look very much like that of last Saturday dependant on the status of Fonte and Richardson.If they're both ready straight post for post swap for Harding and Martin, other than that steady as you go. Subs bench will be much changed though but once again totally dependant on the fitness of Fonte and Richardson. Isn't Burnley our next home match after Cardiff? Hardly an easy game.
Matthew Le God Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 I'd come back to not playing a sub keeper, still believe it is overly cautious when only having the option of 5 on the bench and would be very frustrating leaving some of our players out of the squad for Bart to sit on the bench for 90mins. That is taking a huge risk! Yes it is unlikely a sub keeper will be needed, but with 20 games left, playing an outfield player in goal if Davis gets injured/sent off could be the difference between promotion and another year in this league. Having one more outfield player on the bench won't make that much difference, having no sub keeper in a game where you need one could make a huge difference to the outcome of an entire campaign with the league so tight.
skintsaint Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 Lets hope they get dragged to extra time and maybe get a few niggly injuries...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 Don't believe Lee will feature unless Guly is not fit and even then I think De Ridder would get a game ahead of Lee. Falque will be on the bench as will Harding and possibly Fonte if close to fitness. Chaplow not ready yet.
Saint Garrett Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 Think De Ridder could quite easily see himself slipping down the pecking order if Lee, Falque + one other are all involved.
krissyboy31 Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 Think De Ridder could quite easily see himself slipping down the pecking order if Lee, Falque + one other are all involved.IMO we are trying to get a squad which is mix and match, where everybody is involved and everybody can be rested.
Saint Garrett Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 Yer but what I mean is that there is only enough room for 16 players in the matchday squad....bench will probably consist of a gk, def, midf, striker striker. Cant see us getting Guly, Lambert, Connolly, Lee, De Ridder, Lallana, Falque, Chaplow + another striker in the match day squad.
Appy Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 They are playing well tonight, but **** me Forest are awful.
S-Clarke Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 Worryingly, Beckford seems to have found his shooting boots.
SFC Forever Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 Nice easy game for them after we took Forest down on Saturday.
Sour Mash Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 That is taking a huge risk! Yes it is unlikely a sub keeper will be needed, but with 20 games left, playing an outfield player in goal if Davis gets injured/sent off could be the difference between promotion and another year in this league. Having one more outfield player on the bench won't make that much difference, having no sub keeper in a game where you need one could make a huge difference to the outcome of an entire campaign with the league so tight. It's a matter of opinion and most football managers are obviously of the same opinion as you. However, how many times have you been at a game when the keeper has gone off and has needed a replacement? How many times have you been at a game when a team has been crying out for an extra attacking option off the bench? Or an extra defensive option when holding on to a lead?
Matthew Le God Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 (edited) It's a matter of opinion and most football managers are obviously of the same opinion as you. However, how many times have you been at a game when the keeper has gone off and has needed a replacement? How many times have you been at a game when a team has been crying out for an extra attacking option off the bench? Or an extra defensive option when holding on to a lead? If Saints end up losing out on promotion because Adkins took that risk in one game and dropped 2 or 3 points because he put Jack Cork in goal for example, would you want to be the manager at the centre of it? The fanbase wouldn't be happy in the summer... imagine what Alpine or Dalek2003 would say?! I'm normally optimistic, Dalek2003 would self destruct! Edited 17 January, 2012 by Matthew Le God
Sour Mash Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 If Saints end up losing out on promotion because Adkins took that risk in one game and dropped 2 or 3 points because he put Jack Cork in goal for example, would you want to be the manager at the centre of it? The fanbase wouldn't be happy in the summer... imagine what Alpine or Dalek2003 would say?! I'm normally optimistic, Dalek2003 would self destruct! What if we missed out on promotion due to not having necessary defensive cover on the bench and losing a game because of that. Or not winning a game due to lack of attacking options on the bench, something that could be argued we've already seen this season? It doesn't have as obvious an impact as a keeper going off, but certainly a much more common problem. I'm sure NA will stick with Bart, but he's going to have a right old headache if everyone's fit and in form at the same time!
Matthew Le God Posted 17 January, 2012 Posted 17 January, 2012 What if we missed out on promotion due to not having necessary defensive cover on the bench and losing a game because of that. Or not winning a game due to lack of attacking options on the bench, something that could be argued we've already seen this season? It doesn't have as obvious an impact as a keeper going off, but certainly a much more common problem. I'm sure NA will stick with Bart, but he's going to have a right old headache if everyone's fit and in form at the same time! You can cover most problems easily with 4 outfield subs. One defender, one defensive midfielder, two attack minded players. In the past you had to cope with 0/1/2/3 subs in total let alone 5 or 7!
Andy Durman Posted 18 January, 2012 Posted 18 January, 2012 Think De Ridder could quite easily see himself slipping down the pecking order if Lee, Falque + one other are all involved. De Ridder would have played the last 2 games, but is struggling with his groin. He was on the bench at Nottingham, but was happy not to come on (his words)
Window Cleaner Posted 18 January, 2012 Posted 18 January, 2012 Worryingly, Beckford seems to have found his shooting boots. Very worrying, class act if he wants to be.
Saint Garrett Posted 18 January, 2012 Posted 18 January, 2012 De Ridder would have played the last 2 games, but is struggling with his groin. He was on the bench at Nottingham, but was happy not to come on (his words) I would have thought he would have as we're missing so many players, but if everyone is available for selection I can see him being left off the bench,
Andy Durman Posted 18 January, 2012 Posted 18 January, 2012 I would have thought he would have as we're missing so many players, but if everyone is available for selection I can see him being left off the bench, I think its going to be very difficult to drop Harding
Lighthouse Posted 18 January, 2012 Posted 18 January, 2012 Lighthouse and SourMash don't have a defender on the bench, so I'd adapt their selection as:- Davis Richardson - Fonte if fit, or Martin - Hooiveld - Fox Cork - Morgan - Hammond - Lallana Connolly - Guly Subs: Bart; Harding; Falque; Lee; De Ridder (or Martin if Fonte starts). If Martin plays because Fonte is still not fit, the CB back-up is Cork, freed-up by bringing on Falque or de Ridder. They joy of having Cork in your side is he a very capable defender as well as being a brilliant midfielder. Should one of our defenders get injured, I'd just bring on De Ridder, stick him on the right and have Cork fill in whichever defensive possition sustained the injury. It's not a permanent solution and is a little bit George Burley, but it would surfice against anyone in this league.
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 18 January, 2012 Posted 18 January, 2012 Beckford up top and Schmeichel between the sticks, going to be a toughie. We will be off the top and really could do with the win - which would be 3 on the bounce without Ricky. With the new signings and Chaplow returning a win here and we'll be set fair. COYR.
Alain Perrin Posted 18 January, 2012 Posted 18 January, 2012 Two questions for me: - Is Chaplow fit? - If we send a driver to Heathrow can T.Lee get on for 15 minutes?
SNSUN Posted 18 January, 2012 Posted 18 January, 2012 Two questions for me: - Is Chaplow fit? - If we send a driver to Heathrow can T.Lee get on for 15 minutes? Stuff Lee, if we've signed A. Driver from Hearts, give HIM a game!
VectisSaint Posted 18 January, 2012 Posted 18 January, 2012 Doesn't seem to be much hope of Lee being involved on Monday, at least from what the OS says. It suggests Yago might be involved but no mention of Tadanari, so looks like he won't be back for a while yet. Odd really.
Dalek2003 Posted 18 January, 2012 Posted 18 January, 2012 Doesn't seem to be much hope of Lee being involved on Monday, at least from what the OS says. It suggests Yago might be involved but no mention of Tadanari, so looks like he won't be back for a while yet. Odd really. Odd ? Are you implying that there is a problem in Lee's signing ? Maybe NA thinks there is no urgency and that we are good enough to beat Leicester with the players available. I don't sense any urgency from NA's interviews.
VectisSaint Posted 18 January, 2012 Posted 18 January, 2012 Odd ? Are you implying that there is a problem in Lee's signing ? Maybe NA thinks there is no urgency and that we are good enough to beat Leicester with the players available. I don't sense any urgency from NA's interviews. Yes. I'm not ITK, but I get a sense of lack of activity, since the news that the work permit was granted. OK, so he went back to Japan, but given he had been over here training it just seems a bit of a long time, and there has been no mention of him for a few days. Maybe just getting a little paranoid.
K,Billy's supersound Posted 18 January, 2012 Posted 18 January, 2012 how long would it take you to sort all your affairs in order to be able to move to the other side of the world? its a very big move for the bloke and his family/partner.
SuperMikey Posted 19 January, 2012 Posted 19 January, 2012 Assuming that Lee won't be ready to play, and if we get a clean bill of health for the squad (aside from Chaplow and Lambert, obviously) I would play this: ------------------DAVIS-------------------- FRAZER-----FONTE-----HOOIVELD-------FOX CORK----HAMMOND-----MORGAN----LALLANA ---------CONNOLLY-----GULY--------------- Subs: Bart, Martin, Harding, Falque, De Ridder Martin has been sublime since he's come into the team, and ideally I would keep him in but Fonte and Jos have an understanding which hasn't quite developed with Martin and Jos yet. More games will yield a good partnership. Cork was excellent on the right against Forest, and I would keep him there because A) Starting Falque might be too much, too soon and B) De Ridder is a great impact player and I can't drop Morgan or Deano from the middle either. I'm feeling proper confident for this game, reckon we'll turn them over! COYR!
Foxstone Posted 19 January, 2012 Posted 19 January, 2012 King has done his achilles and is out for Leicester and Bamba and Pantsil are at the African cup - They are missing players the same as us...
VectisSaint Posted 19 January, 2012 Posted 19 January, 2012 how long would it take you to sort all your affairs in order to be able to move to the other side of the world? its a very big move for the bloke and his family/partner. A week. Happens all the time, work ask if you can go away to customer site for 4 months, flight booked on the plane within a week. He's not having to leave Japan for good, he will be allowed back in. Come May on the plane back home and make any longer term arrangements. I just don't buy this idea it takes weeks and that maybe something is not right (or maybe not).
Andy Durman Posted 19 January, 2012 Posted 19 January, 2012 Having spoken to NA on Saturday I do think that something doesn't quite sit right with NA and the Lee saga. My question is whether he actually wanted him in the first place. Second is the language barrier. Third is the time needed to integrate him. & Fourth the time its taking to get him over here and into consideration for the next match. Very speculative.
Saint Garrett Posted 19 January, 2012 Posted 19 January, 2012 Not sure about that....In pretty much all of NA's recent interviews he's stated how excited he is about Lee joining.
Saint Charlie Posted 20 January, 2012 Posted 20 January, 2012 Saw Richardson and Chaplow in the training videos, couldn't see Connolly, Fonte or de Ridder
Barry the Badger Posted 20 January, 2012 Posted 20 January, 2012 Chatting to a colleague at work earlier, I said I'd prefer De Ridder to start (if fit) with Falque on the bench, in response he suggested the following, utterly seriously. Tell me it's not just me who thinks he's mental. "Well we could play both, De Ridder can play centre mid you know, we should play Harding on the left and move Lallana to the centre too where he can use his skill". Harding - De Ridder - Lallana - Falque Maybe it's me that's mental and he's a footballing visionary.
beatlesaint Posted 20 January, 2012 Posted 20 January, 2012 Chatting to a colleague at work earlier, I said I'd prefer De Ridder to start (if fit) with Falque on the bench, in response he suggested the following, utterly seriously. Tell me it's not just me who thinks he's mental. "Well we could play both, De Ridder can play centre mid you know, we should play Harding on the left and move Lallana to the centre too where he can use his skill". Harding - De Ridder - Lallana - Falque Maybe it's me that's mental and he's a footballing visionary. Nope, its not you thats mental :-)
Appy Posted 20 January, 2012 Posted 20 January, 2012 Chatting to a colleague at work earlier, I said I'd prefer De Ridder to start (if fit) with Falque on the bench, in response he suggested the following, utterly seriously. Tell me it's not just me who thinks he's mental. "Well we could play both, De Ridder can play centre mid you know, we should play Harding on the left and move Lallana to the centre too where he can use his skill". Harding - De Ridder - Lallana - Falque Maybe it's me that's mental and he's a footballing visionary. Tell your friend that is the best way to make our midfield as weak as possible.
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