alpine_saint Posted 10 January, 2012 Author Posted 10 January, 2012 Mrs. O'Shea really loved that dog, whereas no-one in the stadium ever even met the people who died in the Titanic. No but maybe they wil have relatives who lost loved ones.
miserableoldgit Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 (edited) Mrs. O'Shea really loved that dog, whereas no-one in the stadium ever even met the people who died in the Titanic. An unbelievably crass statement but somewhat typical of modern morality. I don`t know anyone who died in the War but I wouldn`t disrespect them with remarks like that. Edited 10 January, 2012 by miserableoldgit
VectisSaint Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 Great post, but why dont you want to give your opinion ? Because frankly it is not something that I have an opinion about, I can see arguments for and against, equally valid. Thats all. I had a at least one (distant) relative on board, my Great Grandparents lived in the area hardest hit by the tragedy and would likely have known many people who perished, but I am not Southampton born and bred and don't really feel strongly one way or the other as to whether this is something that the Football Club should be involved in.
Bath Saint Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 Mods: can this thread be moved to the Lounge as it has absolutely nothing to do with the club. I suspect this whole thread is an excuse for Alpine to get into a frothing frenzy when the club doesn't mark the occasion of the Titanic sinking.
alpine_saint Posted 10 January, 2012 Author Posted 10 January, 2012 (edited) Mods: can this thread be moved to the Lounge as it has absolutely nothing to do with the club. I suspect this whole thread is an excuse for Alpine to get into a frothing frenzy when the club doesn't mark the occasion of the Titanic sinking. Yes, wondering if the club is going to commemorate the biggest peacetime disaster to befall the city in half a millennia has absolutely nothing to do with the club. And the fixtures are set up that we are at home on the exact 100th annniversary of the ship hitting the iceberg, so a commemoration would be timely. Barking... Edited 10 January, 2012 by alpine_saint
Torres Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 Now you're going on about Mrs O'Shea's dog. FFS.
Marsdinho Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 the fact that so many third-class passengers from the area died, put behind the first and second class and the Americans (who apparently barged past the Brits into the lifeboats) You've been watching Titanic again, haven't you?
JRM Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 Here are a few of the things organised to mark the occassion http://www.southampton.gov.uk/news-events/events/allevents/Titanic-2012.asp
Sour Mash Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 Yes, wondering if the club is going to commemorate the biggest peacetime disaster to befall the city in half a millennia has absolutely nothing to do with the club. And the fixtures are set up that we are at home on the exact 100th annniversary of the ship hitting the iceberg, so a commemoration would be timely. Barking... How do you think the club should commemorate the occasion?
Dig Dig Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 Why can't we just let football be football and for anyone that cares/have a connection with such events, let them remember in their own ways?
JRM Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 How do you think the club should commemorate the occasion? Dig out "In that number" and see who saints were playing when the Titanic sank 100 years ago, just out of interest, and does it make any reference to the club being linked with the tragedy at the time, interesting landmark in the city's history but not entirely linked in with the club. Considering the city is still associated with the cruise industry would have thought the occassion will be covered a lot by the council iniatives
Sour Mash Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 Dig out "In that number" and see who saints were playing when the Titanic sank 100 years ago, just out of interest, and does it make any reference to the club being linked with the tragedy at the time, interesting landmark in the city's history but not entirely linked in with the club. Considering the city is still associated with the cruise industry would have thought the occassion will be covered a lot by the council iniatives Yes, will have a look, but what would you suggest the club should actually do for this?
This Charming Man Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 We're not Scousers. Leave the minute silences to them. Anyway, we carry on playing like we are, we’ll be sinking down this league like the Titanic.
Dig Dig Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 We're not Scousers. Leave the minute silences to them. Anyway, we carry on playing like we are, we’ll be sinking down this league like the Titanic. Seems like a fitting tribute to me
Sour Mash Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 Here are a few of the things organised to mark the occassion http://www.southampton.gov.uk/news-events/events/allevents/Titanic-2012.asp We could "sink" a few of these to mark the occasion? http://www.titanicbrewery.co.uk/
BigShadow Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 I think the club should find a supporter who is 100 years old this year - and have him/her place a wreath on behalf of SFC at whichever memorial is most appropriate. That will do nicely. No need to interrupt matchday proceedings for this one.
buctootim Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 Here are a few of the things organised to mark the occassion http://www.southampton.gov.uk/news-events/events/allevents/Titanic-2012.asp Fair enough. Thats a lot more than I realised
sussexsaint Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 Thanks for the link Alpine , going to give the folks a ring when I get home , sure I recognise at least 2 of the names on that sadly lengthy list. A minutes silence would not go amiss surely , how can people begrudge that?
dellboypete Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 (edited) My sister was a teacher (now retired) at a primary school in Shirley during the 75th anniversary of the sinking. Like many schools in soton they did lots of projects and I still remember her telling us how surprised she was how many of the children in her school (and probably other schools in the area too) were related to people lost on the Titanic. In her class alone about 75% of the kids were descended in some way. OK, Shirley has always been a traditional area for dock and ship crew, but it's an amazingly high percentage. Even as recently as 25 years ago, the parents of most of her class (who obviously lived in the Shirley area) worked in the docks, on ships or associated businesses Edited 10 January, 2012 by dellboypete
Nexstar Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 I think a minute's silence would be a good way to show respect for something that revolved so much around the city. But beyond that I think there will be enough going on in Southampton at the time for the club to not need to go much further.
david in sweden Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 This. Tragic things happen every day, people dying etc, I don't understand the constant need these days to force people into remembering things and have minutes silences etc. If something is important or of interest to them, they will remember it regardless. of course you have a valid point in one way, but it shows respect for those who died, as with Rememberance Day. Too many people neglect history and it's disrespectful to the memories of those who perished, or other historical events that happened. Note, A survey some years ago (among several thousand German college students) showed that more than half of them... had never heard of the name ...ADOLF HITLER (!)
Sour Mash Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 I think a minute's silence would be a good way to show respect for something that revolved so much around the city. But beyond that I think there will be enough going on in Southampton at the time for the club to not need to go much further. A minutes silence at a Saints game for the victims of the titanic would be embarrasing and cringeworthy.
Nexstar Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 A minutes silence at a Saints game for the victims of the titanic would be embarrasing and cringeworthy. In your opinion. Personally I don't think remembering the dead of our city as "embarrassing".
sussexsaint Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 A minutes silence at a Saints game for the victims of the titanic would be embarrasing and cringeworthy. Why is remembering the death of hundreds of local working men in a simple one minutes silence, once, cringeworthy compared to the same for a Wales manager?
Sour Mash Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 In your opinion. Personally I don't think remembering the dead of our city as "embarrassing". Then why don't we have a minutes silence every home game? Why should those that died on the Titanic deserve to be remembered anymore than anyone else that has died in the last 100 years? And if it is so important to people what difference will standing silent in a football ground for a minute do for anyone? Far more relevant and worthwhile community causes out there to focus on.
Nexstar Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 Then why don't we have a minutes silence every home game? Why should those that died on the Titanic deserve to be remembered anymore than anyone else that has died in the last 100 years? And if it is so important to people what difference will standing silent in a football ground for a minute do for anyone? Far more relevant and worthwhile community causes out there to focus on. Do you therefore disagree with the idea of All Saints Day, or Remembrance Sunday?
Verbal Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 Leonardo Dicaprio needs to be remembered. You clearly haven't seen J Edgar.
Verbal Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 Mods: can this thread be moved to the Lounge as it has absolutely nothing to do with the club. I suspect this whole thread is an excuse for Alpine to get into a frothing frenzy when the club doesn't mark the occasion of the Titanic sinking. No, not the Lounge! We superstars are getting a tad fed up with Alpine since he's decided to trespass over there.
alpine_saint Posted 10 January, 2012 Author Posted 10 January, 2012 You've been watching Titanic again, haven't you? Erm, I have a confession to make. I bought a new Blu-Ray home cinema last week, finally set it up yesterday, and tried it out with a DVD last night to assess the quality of the 1080p upscaling. The DVD I put my hand on was...yeah, you guessed it.
JRM Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 Yes, will have a look, but what would you suggest the club should actually do for this? i would like to have some kind of maritime band like they had on the boat, or a marching band like we used to have on the pitch at the Dell, used to love it when they played oh when the saints.
Sour Mash Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 Do you therefore disagree with the idea of All Saints Day, or Remembrance Sunday? I'm not a huge fan of having a minutes silence or applause (even worse) in general. However, All Saints Day makes sense as it is an opportunity for people to take a minute out to remember stuff relevant to them and prevents the culture of having a minutes silence every other week. Remembrance Sunday is a bit exceptional as it is remembrance of those that chose to make the ultimate sacrifice on our behalf. But in general they are used far too much these days, all as a result of the Princess Diana stuff back in the 90s!
alpine_saint Posted 10 January, 2012 Author Posted 10 January, 2012 How do you think the club should commemorate the occasion? I would be quite happy to see NC put a wreath on the Engineer's Memorial if such a service is planned. An offical club presence at St Mary's Church during the planned commemoration service on the 15th would be nice too. Apart from that a minutes silence before the Reading kick-off, definitely (did we really do it for Gary Speed and Gary Ablett, FFS ???) I conceed with a heavy heart that Kate Winslett getting her chebs out in the centre spot for all us pretend artists is probably a non-starter...
JRM Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 I would be quite happy to see NC put a wreath on the Engineer's Memorial if such a service is planned. An offical club presence at St Mary's Church during the planned commemoration service on the 15th would be nice too. Apart from that a minutes silence before the Reading kick-off, definitely (did we really do it for Gary Speed and Gary Ablett, FFS ???) I conceed with a heavy heart that Kate Winslett getting her chebs out in the centre spot for all us pretend artists is probably a non-starter... i agree with most of the above, although Winslet has done quite a few saucy scenes in the films she has been in so perhaps they could show some of those on the big screen?
iansums Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 Erm, I have a confession to make. I bought a new Blu-Ray home cinema last week, finally set it up yesterday, and tried it out with a DVD last night to assess the quality of the 1080p upscaling. The DVD I put my hand on was...yeah, you guessed it. No doubt you've been studying Kaye Winslet's titties?
alpine_saint Posted 10 January, 2012 Author Posted 10 January, 2012 No doubt you've been studying Kaye Winslet's titties? Put it like this, the freeze-frame function is superb. Sadly it confirmed a complete lack of m inge hair or valley shadow at the cut where she was taking the dressing gown off.
Torres Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 Winslet has done quite a few saucy scenes in the films she has been in so perhaps they could show some of those on the big screen? I think this is something that everyone in this thread would agree to be a good idea and wholly appropriate.
norwaysaint Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 I agree that it's the football club's duty to mark the sinking of the Titanic, but for me the real test of Cortese comes in 2015 when we see how the club marks the 150th anniversary of an outbreak of cholera that killed 150 people in Southampton. If the club don't at least hold a minute's silence then I will be disgusted. A lot of us have ancestors who were directly affected by this tragedy and it's a sad part of the city's history. We'll see then what kind of "family club" Southampton has become and whether the club really represents the city.
SW5 SAINT Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 Are we turning into Liverpool FC? They have tried to hijack the Titanic tragedy for themselves. They are claiming that a lot of the crew who died were actually fromLiverpool rather than Southampton! Apparently the crew only used addresses in Southampton because they stayed at these addresses when not at sea. A fairly nonsense argument for 1912 when a person would have returned home on leave, when not living on the ship
hypochondriac Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 It's ridiculous to expect the club to do anything special for the titanic anniversary.
Stattmeister Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 It took less than 3hrs from impact to sinking? I didn't realise that... all jokes aside, that's got to be quicker than the Dicaprio film? I kind of agree with Alpine - a third of the victims were from Southampton (even if they were Liverpudlians!), so can see the possible relevance. Similarly there is quite a bit going on in the City (organised by the city, not the club) so it's not like "Southampton" will be ignoring it. Difficult one.
Bearsy Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 Does anyone know what Southampton Gliding Club, Southampton Badminton Association and Southampton Islamic Society are doing to mark the occasion?
Bath Saint Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 Yes, wondering if the club is going to commemorate the biggest peacetime disaster to befall the city in half a millennia has absolutely nothing to do with the club. And the fixtures are set up that we are at home on the exact 100th annniversary of the ship hitting the iceberg, so a commemoration would be timely. Barking... Your comments have made me reassess my position. I now realise you're not an attention seeking nutter at all but have a very valid point. In fact, I hope, if the club doesn't commemorate the sinking of the Titanic in precisely the way you require, that you will join me when I burn my season ticket at St Marys in protest.
JRM Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 Does anyone know what Southampton Gliding Club, Southampton Badminton Association and Southampton Islamic Society are doing to mark the occasion? The Islamic Society are sinking a few of these http://www.titanicbrewery.co.uk/ and having a hog roast to mark the occassion
Bearsy Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 I think we should all get a coke with ice at half time and throw the ice on the pitch and then the groundsmen could turn on the sprinklers and we could watch the players drown. After a few minutes we could send out one stretcher and whoever gets on it gets to live. Fitting tribute, I'm sure you'll agree.
FloridaMarlin Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 Is there some sort of historical bad vibe or bad feeling in Southampton about the recognition of the Titanic disaster that I am unaware of ? I'm not aware of it. But I used to listen to my dad, uncles and aunts and I think there was an element of bitterness in what they felt was a discrepancy between the way the officers and engineers were remembered, and the way the lower decks drew were. You only have to compare the respective memorials. That to the officers is a grand, sombre edifice, facing the cenotaph (I'm not sure which came first) in a conspicuous joint location for mourning. The memorial to the lower decks crew is a white stone drinking fountain, that for years was at the entrance to the Common, more than a mile away from the town centre. It used to bug my uncle that at times when there were fairs on the common, the showmen draped their electrical power lines all over it, and it took years and a campaign for it to be moved to a more suitable location, in Holyrood church. I suppose back then people were more geared to not making public outpourings of grief and the lower orders were expected to maintain a stiff upper lip and not create a scene.
bpsaint Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 Chances are a large number of the Southampton residents who passed away that night would have graced the terraces of the Dell in 1912, wouldn't be surprised if the club had a representative at the memorial service at St Mary's church in April.
Lighthouse Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 I'm against the idea that people should be 'forced' into grief in such a way. If a Saints player died then fair enough, that is a sad moment personal to all inside the stadium. But the Titanic? I doubt anyone at St Marys has ever met anyone who died on that ship. It will in all likelihood just be 25,000 stood in silence out of politeness and social conformity. What if 2,000 years ago Saxon warlords raped pillaged and murdered 3,000 Roman Settlers on what is now St Deny. Do we have a minutes silence for them too, or do they not matter because it was longer ago? I have already had to sit through 3 separate minutes silence for Gary Speed, who has no connection to Saints, but none for Gary Ablett who apparently doesn't matter. The more tributes we have to causes not connected to the club, the more we become riddled with hypocrisy. Yes it was a tragic event, if you want to remember it feel free to lay flowers at any number of memorials around the city. Put please stop telling me I have to grieve too.
Avenue Saint Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 The Islamic Society are sinking a few of these http://www.titanicbrewery.co.uk/ and having a hog roast to mark the occassion is that supposed to be funny you joker?? i know some muslims that would give you a coupe of slaps for making offensive comments like that... We are Southampton!! we see no race, no colour, no faith, just one united goal and purpose, the mighty SAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
benjii Posted 10 January, 2012 Posted 10 January, 2012 i know some muslims that would give you a coupe of slaps for making offensive comments like that... Seriously? If that is true then why do you hang out with such narrow-minded thugs?
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