Big_Bald_Si Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/may/19/football-club-accounts-debt Although a little out of date, it does illustrate an important point. £90 million or no £90 million for being in the Premier League, costs go up when you're in the Premier League. Saying we should spend £6 million on a player on the basis we'll "get" £90 million for promotion isn't as simple as it seems. £90 million is not profit - it's revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 How many posts do we have to get before Hooper is obligated to join us??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/may/19/football-club-accounts-debt Although a little out of date, it does illustrate an important point. £90 million or no £90 million for being in the Premier League, costs go up when you're in the Premier League. Saying we should spend £6 million on a player on the basis we'll "get" £90 million for promotion isn't as simple as it seems. £90 million is not profit - it's revenue. Exactly, even before we get anyone new in I imagine our players all have hefty promotion clauses in their contracts. We're likely to be looking at a 20% increase in expenses before the season even starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 409... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Exactly, even before we get anyone new in I imagine our players all have hefty promotion clauses in their contracts. We're likely to be looking at a 20% increase in expenses before the season even starts.Yes but do you not think compared to a lot of NPC clubs our current player contracts are relatively small ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Bald_Si Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 How many posts do we have to get before Hooper is obligated to join us??? If we get it to #500 we get him for free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Bald_Si Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Yes but do you not think compared to a lot of NPC clubs our current player contracts are relatively small ? Not with the entire first team squad having signed new long term deals this season (or signed for us on a long term deal - Jack Cork for example) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Is promotion worth 90 million to a club or not? (disregarding what you subsequently spend that money on or any clauses you have in player contracts- a choice of the individual club.) Yes, it is worth £90m, but not in 1 season, and also not as profit. Which is why, as said earlier, it is only worth about £35m after everything is taken into account. When people have bandied around figures like £90m, £100m, people assume that is pure profit, per year, which it is not. I believe this is what you meant, until MLG got involved and you had someone to hide behind. And fyi, the insults and potential infraction/banning, totally worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 If we get it to #500 we get him for free The rate we're going, he should be all signed up by this evening then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 13 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 13 January, 2012 409... If we get it to #500 we get him for free If not, the poster of post 409 is bound to cover the full cost of the transfer. Over to you SG... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 I don't think anyone said it was total profit, It is never going to be. But it's still a hell of a lot of money, and I'm pretty sure this doesnt include price increases/merchandise/matchday income/hospitality etc etc...Regardless of how much it is worth, its still a hell of a lot of money, and going back to the original post (me), I think the 6m gamble for Hooper would be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 I don't think anyone said it was total profit, It is never going to be. But it's still a hell of a lot of money, and I'm pretty sure this doesnt include price increases/merchandise/matchday income/hospitality etc etc...Regardless of how much it is worth, its still a hell of a lot of money, and going back to the original post (me), I think the 6m gamble for Hooper would be worth it. But that's not just over 1 year, you realise that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Id forgotten that was our record. Is this Hooper really worth breaking that record for? As someone else pointed out, Delap has played most of his football at Premier League level, fair play to him. For what we got out of him and the hype surrounding him, was he worth it? I don't think so. This is a new era for Saints, as we're all so delighted to point out and enjoy. The transfer market has moved on, so maybe it is time to break that record, even if we're in the second tier. Should it be done at a cost of £6 million and for Gary Hooper? No idea, but if we're going on the basis that we aren't interested in signing back up players and only better than we've currently got, I reckon it's worth a punt. Now, does £6 million on Hooper mean no money for the other positions we need new blood in? If it did you'd have to think very carefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Bald_Si Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 I don't think anyone said it was total profit, It is never going to be. But it's still a hell of a lot of money, and I'm pretty sure this doesnt include price increases/merchandise/matchday income/hospitality etc etc...Regardless of how much it is worth, its still a hell of a lot of money, and going back to the original post (me), I think the 6m gamble for Hooper would be worth it. And if we don't get promoted? Hooper's likely to want a fair old wage given he's the flavour of the month at Celtic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Blimey so many posts to catch up on! Given that we conduct our business in secrecy , where on earth has this rumour come from that we are 'going' to table a bid for 6m? I really don't understand where that can have come from with any realiable source. There is no guarentee that even if we did table that sort of bid that Celtic would take it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 unless i missed it no youtube of him yet!..amazing. lets get one up! http://youtu.be/14SKaMfkxfM :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Blimey so many posts to catch up on! Given that we conduct our business in secrecy , where on earth has this rumour come from that we are 'going' to table a bid for 6m? I really don't understand where that can have come from with any realiable source. There is no guarentee that even if we did table that sort of bid that Celtic would take it Well, noone is saying they will let us have him for 6m...just a guess from someone on here I think as to how much roughly he would cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Bald_Si Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Well, noone is saying they will let us have him for 6m...just a guess from someone on here I think as to how much roughly he would cost. Actually, the number came from the daily mirror's article this morning. (although, having said that, they probably looked on here for the figure - so you're right ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 So, after all the *****ing about parachutes....has he signed yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 I cant believe how long these threads are getting based on pure speculation. Just shows how desperate we are as fans to sign people and make the most of our opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 I cant believe how long these threads are getting based on pure speculation. Just shows how desperate we are as fans to sign people and make the most of our opportunity.Oh come on Neil....I'm just putting off this assignment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Oh come on Neil....I'm just putting off this assignment I come on for some sort of news/ new speculation but all I get is conversations completely off topic! I'm not going to Forest tomorrow by the way so if we lose... Its YOUR fault! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 I cant believe how long these threads are getting based on pure speculation. It isn't "pure speculation", Neil Lennon confirmed Saints made an enquiry and when questioned about Hooper he didn't rule it out like he has with other names put to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Definitely going to sign him, Ive got a feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenSaint Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Not seen this guy play at all so checked him up on YouTube and all i can say 80% of his goals were tap ins coming from crosses from the wings. We do not play that type of football alot of the time so 6m for someone who might not play to our system could be a big risk to take. I will say though, some goals i saw were well taken and he seemed to have a good first touch. He'll be a good buy if we changed from our central attacking to a wing attack but for me someone with pace would suit us upfront better and for that amount of money we could easily land Sordell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 (edited) Yes, it is worth £90m, but not in 1 season, and also not as profit. Which is why, as said earlier, it is only worth about £35m after everything is taken into account. When people have bandied around figures like £90m, £100m, people assume that is pure profit, per year, which it is not. I believe this is what you meant, until MLG got involved and you had someone to hide behind. And fyi, the insults and potential infraction/banning, totally worth it. Pathetic trying to tell me what I did and did not mean when you have been proven wrong. If you misunderstood me then fair enough but I always believed what mlg said. Ask him yourself, I don't agree with him lightly. Edited 13 January, 2012 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 But that's not just over 1 year, you realise that. Who mentioned over one year? The question was how much is promotion worth. Clearly it is worth a hell of a lot more than 35 million which was the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Not seen this guy play at all so checked him up on YouTube and all i can say 80% of his goals were tap ins coming from crosses from the wings. We do not play that type of football alot of the time so 6m for someone who might not play to our system could be a big risk to take. I will say though, some goals i saw were well taken and he seemed to have a good first touch. He'll be a good buy if we changed from our central attacking to a wing attack but for me someone with pace would suit us upfront better and for that amount of money we could easily land Sordell. Not sure aboout that...how many goals have we scored from crosses this season ? Out of 49 league goals we've scored this season how many have come from inside the box? 47... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Haha yes he does! Wrong player...right sentiment though. And while we're being pedantic "branded about" by MLG there? It's bandied about...consistently let's himself down does that man child... FYI, it's "lets" - not "let's" (that's a type of salad leaf). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 (edited) Did someone just say our style of play didn't involve a lot of crosses into the box ? Someone should tell Richardson and Fox, they're obviously doing it wrong. Richardson has 7 assists and Fox 5 - and they're just the ones which have been converted into goals. Edited 13 January, 2012 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Pathetic trying to tell me what I did and did not mean when you have been proven wrong. If you misunderstood me then fair enough but I always believed what mlg said. Ask him yourself, I don't agree with him lightly. Lol, whatever you say. I am just saying that when people say that promotion is worth x million pounds, it's a misrepresented amount of money due to additonal costs incurred. That's the point. You can say spending 6 million to bring in 90 is worthwhile, but in actual fact it is 6 million to bring in 40 million over 4 years, which certainly nakes the gamble seem a lot more dodgy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Not if we are as financially sound as we are led to believe. + the Chamberlain money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Bald_Si Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Not if we are as financially sound as we are led to believe. + the Chamberlain money. Depends what you mean by "we". We have wealthy owners, yes, but that's not Southampton FC's money by any means. I also recall Nicola Cortese stating, when Saints Markus bought our club, that we wouldn't be throwing money around like Man City. Spending an alleged/reported/made up figure of £6 million on a striker strikes me as throwing money about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 If people are saying though, that the Chamberlain money is paying for the players we bought in the summer + Lee + Hooiveld, then surely there must be some more money in the kitty. I very much doubt we were going into this season with a transfer budget of £0 and I very much doubt Cork, Fox, De Ridder, Lee, Hooiveld between them cost £12-£15m? Cork - £750k? De Ridder £500k? Fox £1.8m Hooiveld £1.2m? Lee £500k? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 The AOC money probably just covers the clubs losses in the first two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Yer, but if we did bid for Maynard, Sharp, Rodriguez & Sordell in the summer then there must be money available and the intent is there for a decent striker. Also from Lennons comments it does sound like we put in a bid for Hooper and they are trying to drive the price up, but I think if we want him enough we'll get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 De Ridder was getting on for £2 million wasn't he? Could be wrong though, especially given Forest who are skint also wanted him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Bald_Si Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 The AOC money probably just covers the clubs losses in the first two years. This - we made around a £6 million loss last year, plus we have to consider the signings we've made thus far. Money's there - but I just can't see us spanking £6 million on Gary Hooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 De Ridder was getting on for £2 million wasn't he? Could be wrong though, especially given Forest who are skint also wanted him If he was they saw us coming, probably nearer 700/800K though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 I was a Rory Delap Fan . I might be the only one but I thoght he was a good player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Has there actually been any other gossip or rumour about us signing Hooper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 The AOC money probably just covers the clubs losses in the first two years. I very much doubt that when we made those losses we factored in the 15 million pound sale of a youth player to our financial plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Has there actually been any other gossip or rumour about us signing Hooper? Apparently we're willing to go up to £6 million, as opposed to we've offered something and it's not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 unless i missed it no youtube of him yet!..amazing. lets get one up! http://youtu.be/14SKaMfkxfM :lol: LOL @ Scottish defending Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Apparently we're willing to go up to £6 million, as opposed to we've offered something and it's not good enough. According to who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 I very much doubt that when we made those losses we factored in the 15 million pound sale of a youth player to our financial plan. Im not saying we wont sign anybody - but if we do it will because the Liebherrs have gifted some cash and not asked for it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 According to who? "CHAMPIONSHIP leaders Southampton are set to test Celtic's resolve by upping their bid for Gary Hooper to £6m. Saints boss Nigel Adkins signed the striker when he was boss of S****horpe and reckons the frontman could fire his new side to the Premier League. (Daily Mirror)" http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/01/13/transfer-talk-january-13-2012-celtic-star-hooper-could-become-a-saint-rangers-move-for-jaager-dons-ace-arnasson-in-demand-86908-23697453/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 I've got a feeling this is going to turn into another of those massive player speculation threads, that doesn't actually happen.... ala Jay Rod, Austin... I cannot see him moving in January, it would seriously surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 I've got a feeling this is going to turn into another of those massive player speculation threads, that doesn't actually happen.... ala Jay Rod, Austin... I cannot see him moving in January, it would seriously surprise me. This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Nice to have something to speculate about though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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