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Who said anything about spending beyond our means? No one really knows what we can and can't afford but to not take advantage of our position with a shrewd purchase here or there would also be a mistake. I believe we'd only spend 6m on a player if we could afford it.

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Although we would all like to see investment in new players we should not pay OTT for them the club is on a sound footing and being run in the correct way and long may that last.

 

Seems to be run exactly the same way as when Lowe was Chairman

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Any one remember when we were in administration?, yet we have fans on here wanting us to spend beyond our means, and take a 'chance', I'm really at a loss for words sometimes!

Administration was caused by the mortgage to build the SMS, which Rupert Lowe said at the time was affordable only if the club remained in The Prem. It was relegation that caused the Administration, not the transfer budget. As for these fans calling for the club to spend beyond its means - I haven't seen any such suggestions, so this looks like another case of making up a false argument in order to knock it down. What people have been calling for is to spend within budget, including the reinvestment of funds available from transfers out, which as far as I can see, is what the Manager has been saying he wants to do.

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I don't think anyone wants us to spend over our means but I think that if we sell Puncheon then with the Chamberlin money that's 16 million. Not unreasonable to expect some of that to be spent on a player or two to fire us to promotion.

 

Aha the old Chamberlain money myth.Most of it has already gone,it wasn't 15 million anyway and we won't get 1 million for Puncheon. I do wish people would stop harping on about it though.

 

Jos,Fox,Cork,SDR,Mister T=Most of "The Chamberlain Money".

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Aha the old Chamberlain money myth.Most of it has already gone,it wasn't 15 million anyway and we won't get 1 million for Puncheon. I do wish people would stop harping on about it though.

 

Jos,Fox,Cork,SDR,Mister T=Most of "The Chamberlain Money".

 

De Ridder and Cork were signed before Chamberlain left.

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Aha the old Chamberlain money myth.Most of it has already gone,it wasn't 15 million anyway and we won't get 1 million for Puncheon. I do wish people would stop harping on about it though.

 

Jos,Fox,Cork,SDR,Mister T=Most of "The Chamberlain Money".

 

So in effect you are saying we got 5 players for free?! Surely, that must mean that there is still the money to spend that would've been set aside at the start of the season before the Chamberlain deal went through? The initial budget must've been between 5m-10m surely?

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Same money though.We no doubt knew he was going, just a question of when and for exactly how much.

 

Cork joined over a month before Chamberlain left.

 

Are you suggesting the transfer budget this season if Chamberlain hadn't left would have been £0? What evidence has made you come to that conclusion?

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Are you suggesting the transfer budget this season if Chamberlain hadn't left would have been £0? What evidence has made you come to that conclusion?

 

No I don't think I am, what I'm saying is that we should not keep equating the transfer fee received for AOC to every potential signing that rumour throws up.Had we not been sure of selling AOC and had we not had an injury crisis with our central defence then I doubt if we'd have bought either De Ridder or Jos.Even if De Ridder was signed before the depart of AOC,if it wasn't in the pipeline then we wouldn't have signed De Ridder.

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Administration was caused by the mortgage to build the SMS, which Rupert Lowe said at the time was affordable only if the club remained in The Prem. It was relegation that caused the Administration, not the transfer budget. As for these fans calling for the club to spend beyond its means - I haven't seen any such suggestions, so this looks like another case of making up a false argument in order to knock it down. What people have been calling for is to spend within budget, including the reinvestment of funds available from transfers out, which as far as I can see, is what the Manager has been saying he wants to do.

 

I would say the £7m spent by Wilde/Crouch to get us to (just) the play offs, on top of the wages some of those players were on, had something to do with us going into admin

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NC is not a mug,if he thinks we can spend £6m on a player and pay his wages then we are obviously not spending above our means,fact of the matter is we are owned by billionaires and we have no debt,nobody is sure of what what we have in the kitty we can only speculate,but one thing is for sure if we are looking at buying Hooper we are sending one hell of a message out there to the other teams,

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NC is not a mug,if he thinks we can spend £6m on a player and pay his wages then we are obviously not spending above our means,fact of the matter is we are owned by billionaires and we have no debt,nobody is sure of what what we have in the kitty we can only speculate,but one thing is for sure if we are looking at buying Hooper we are sending one hell of a message out there to the other teams,
agreed hooper will be a really good signing and if we going to go for the big P then we need to show the league that what we can really do and that we can go up even without the likes of lambert
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Any one remember when we were in administration?, yet we have fans on here wanting us to spend beyond our means, and take a 'chance', I'm really at a loss for words sometimes!

 

We have the money from AOC sale and Cortese keeps banging on about us playing in the Champions League, if you go around making outrageous claims like that, surely he must have the money to back it up?!

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Seems to be run exactly the same way as when Lowe was Chairman

 

With the exception of not having to pay a shareholders dividend, no mortgage payments and possibly a slightly slower revolving door for the managerial office? Fiscally, we appear to very prudent - whilst taking advantage of opportunities that come our way.

 

We also seem less needy of the type of sale that was all too prevalent during Mr Lowe's time in charge.

 

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Ladies, ladies, ladies.

 

Our most recent accounts published last year, as I recall, showed us having a six to seven million pound deficit caused by our spending last year. Given our wealthy owners, this obviously wasn't too much of an issue.

 

Cortese has always said he wants us to be sustainable. This is why we're not going to go spanking £6 million on a player, be it Gary Hooper, or whoever. The "chamberlain money" will have been partially used to plug last year's deficit, as well as funding the signings we've made so far this season.

 

This isn't to say there's no money available for players - it appears we're being sensible this time around, rather than just spanking every last penny on the likes of a Rasiak, or an Idiakez.

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6 mil is actually 5 mil plus Puncheon (who may actually become a star up north)

 

Which is not that much more than we were talking about for the nPc players.

 

It's all about PR & negotiating Lennon shows he got 6 mil keeps the fans quietened down a bit

 

We get rid of Puncheon

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6 mil is actually 5 mil plus Puncheon (who may actually become a star up north)

 

We get rid of Puncheon

 

From May 2010, Celtic linked with Jason Puncheon...

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1274132/Celtic-target-Southampton-duo-Jason-Puncheon-Rickie-Lambert.html

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Ladies, ladies, ladies.

 

Our most recent accounts published last year, as I recall, showed us having a six to seven million pound deficit caused by our spending last year. Given our wealthy owners, this obviously wasn't too much of an issue.

 

Cortese has always said he wants us to be sustainable. This is why we're not going to go spanking £6 million on a player, be it Gary Hooper, or whoever. The "chamberlain money" will have been partially used to plug last year's deficit, as well as funding the signings we've made so far this season.

 

This isn't to say there's no money available for players - it appears we're being sensible this time around, rather than just spanking every last penny on the likes of a Rasiak, or an Idiakez.

 

Then if we're not willing to stump a £6m fee for a player (a small amount in todays game) then how does Cortese intend on getting us Champion's League football in the next 5 years or so?

 

Gambling now on promotion is a bit different to when we gambled at the beginning of the season when we made the play-offs last time. We are top of the league and have been all season. Though it's clear for all to see that we need another top quality striker and a couple more players. This isn't the kind of league where we can just try our best this season and go again next season. It's a tough, tough league to get out of and we need to take full advantage of our current position and not let it slip away.

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Then if we're not willing to stump a £6m fee for a player (a small amount in todays game) then how does Cortese intend on getting us Champion's League football in the next 5 years or so?

 

Gambling now on promotion is a bit different to when we gambled at the beginning of the season when we made the play-offs last time. We are top of the league and have been all season. Though it's clear for all to see that we need another top quality striker and a couple more players. This isn't the kind of league where we can just try our best this season and go again next season. It's a tough, tough league to get out of and we need to take full advantage of our current position and not let it slip away.

 

Spot on

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Then if we're not willing to stump a £6m fee for a player (a small amount in todays game) then how does Cortese intend on getting us Champion's League football in the next 5 years or so?

 

Doubt 5 years is that target but I would guess the plan is to build a team that can take on the next level, as that level is achieved we build for the next level and so on. Our aim is to create the type of player that we would normally have to pay big bucks for and keep hold of them until the next batch of top players are created. When (or IF which is more likly) we get to the level that has European adventures we will need to be attracting a larger paying audience and as such may need a higher capacity ground to help finance whagt would be a much more expesive squad.

 

Our current following and capacity couldnt afford to pay players £100's of thousands a week but NC has said in the past that he is not against paying those kind of wages as long as the club can pay them within its own means.

 

Shed loads of IF's attached to all of that but its a nice target to aim for and would be stunning to get even half way there with the odd dip into europe.

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Then if we're not willing to stump a £6m fee for a player (a small amount in todays game) then how does Cortese intend on getting us Champion's League football in the next 5 years or so?

 

Gambling now on promotion is a bit different to when we gambled at the beginning of the season when we made the play-offs last time. We are top of the league and have been all season. Though it's clear for all to see that we need another top quality striker and a couple more players. This isn't the kind of league where we can just try our best this season and go again next season. It's a tough, tough league to get out of and we need to take full advantage of our current position and not let it slip away.

 

Absolutely 110% this - top post.

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Then if we're not willing to stump a £6m fee for a player (a small amount in todays game) then how does Cortese intend on getting us Champion's League football in the next 5 years or so?

 

Gambling now on promotion is a bit different to when we gambled at the beginning of the season when we made the play-offs last time. We are top of the league and have been all season. Though it's clear for all to see that we need another top quality striker and a couple more players. This isn't the kind of league where we can just try our best this season and go again next season. It's a tough, tough league to get out of and we need to take full advantage of our current position and not let it slip away.

 

You think £6 million is a small amount of money?

 

It might be a small amount of money to the Citys and Uniteds of this world - but you're forgetting that we're a championship club with a 32,000 seater stadium.

 

I'm not quite sure where the "champions league in 5 years" has come from. I was under the impression Cortese wanted us to be an "established team in the Premier League in 5 years", with over half the team having come from our academy. We are not going to be a champions league team in 5 years time by splashing cash - look at Stoke and Sunderland, they've spanked an incredible amount of cash since they've been in the top flight, and look where thats got them. Certainly nowhere near champions league football. You could add Liverpool into that as well, they don't look like breaking into the top four either, despite going on a spending spree this summer (on a collection of average players, i'll add).

 

Think we all need to be a bit realistic about what an acceptable gamble is. I'm not sure £6 million on a player that played for S*****horpe two years ago is that.

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You think £6 million is a small amount of money?

 

It might be a small amount of money to the Citys and Uniteds of this world - but you're forgetting that we're a championship club with a 32,000 seater stadium.

 

I'm not quite sure where the "champions league in 5 years" has come from. I was under the impression Cortese wanted us to be an "established team in the Premier League in 5 years", with over half the team having come from our academy. We are not going to be a champions league team in 5 years time by splashing cash - look at Stoke and Sunderland, they've spanked an incredible amount of cash since they've been in the top flight, and look where thats got them. Certainly nowhere near champions league football. You could add Liverpool into that as well, they don't look like breaking into the top four either, despite going on a spending spree this summer (on a collection of average players, i'll add).

 

Think we all need to be a bit realistic about what an acceptable gamble is. I'm not sure £6 million on a player that played for S*****horpe two years ago is that.

 

He did a big interview in The Sun about bringing Champions League football to St Mary's, so if that's his ambitions, then yes, I do think £6m is a small amount, in fact I would class it as a minuscule amount if CL football is what he's aiming for. Just want to clarify, I'm not for one minute thinking we should spend £100m to try and get CL football. The claims he made in the press about CL football was embarrassing and totally unrealistic. We're a million miles away from that standard.

 

The physio we got from little ol' S****horpe seems to be doing alright for us, so I don't really see what relevance Hoopers past has...

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Don't actually see why a striker that's scored 11 goals in Scottish League football is considered as vastly superior to one who's scored 15 goas in Japanese football and a few international goals as well.I have an extremely low opinion of Scottish Footer and would never believe that any player there could be worth more than a couple of million quid.Scots football used to be of a decent quality but in the last 10 years or so it's turned into a staging post for has beens and Africans and East Europeans seeking something better.

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Most these posts just make me glad a fan isn't running the club, we'd be back in administration in 5 minutes.

 

Obviously none of us are privy to our exact financial position. I'm purely basing my assumptions on what Cortese has previously said about his ambitions for the club. The fact is, his ambitions can't be achieved without splashing a bit of cash every now and then. It's just the way the game works these days and anyone who thinks otherwise is a deluded fool. I don't want him to go and spend silly money but spending £4-6m on a striker to try and take full advantage of our current league position is a bit of a no-brainer, IMO.

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Don't actually see why a striker that's scored 11 goals in Scottish League football is considered as vastly superior to one who's scored 15 goas in Japanese football and a few international goals as well.I have an extremely low opinion of Scottish Footer and would never believe that any player there could be worth more than a couple of million quid.Scots football used to be of a decent quality but in the last 10 years or so it's turned into a staging post for has beens and Africans and East Europeans seeking something better.

 

You're right about the SPL - one player has just signed from Aberdeen for Bristol City citing the wish to play in a better league (Championship). But where you play is not a reliable indicator of quality or ability - it may matter to a lot of fans but it wont be a major factor for scouts or managers.

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Don't actually see why a striker that's scored 11 goals in Scottish League football is considered as vastly superior to one who's scored 15 goas in Japanese football and a few international goals as well.I have an extremely low opinion of Scottish Footer and would never believe that any player there could be worth more than a couple of million quid.Scots football used to be of a decent quality but in the last 10 years or so it's turned into a staging post for has beens and Africans and East Europeans seeking something better.

 

He's been injured this season, I believe and Celtic also had an atrocious start to the season. He is a quality player though and a natural goalscorer. I also believe he would be a perfect strike partner for Lambert.

 

Don't get me wrong, the standard of Scottish football these days is awful. But there are a couple of players up there who would have the ability to do it down here IMO and that's Hooper and Jelavic from Rangers.

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Thought it was interesting Adkins didn't deny interest in Hooper when asked by Solent whereas he has flatly denied interest in others players previously such as Delfonso at Villa. With Kris Commons he obviously made enquiry but realised it wasnt going to happen for whatever reason which he was open about. Also Adkins suggested looking beyond NPC for players as not a lot better than we have already in our league. He did mention that negotiations can take a long time before conclusion is found.

 

So it could all well point to Hooper but likewise could be player that has been off the radar.

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I just don't think 6m is a lot of money when promotion is worth £100m.
It really depends on what our chances of promotion are - sure, we're top, but we have some very, very tough away games second half of the season and our form of late hasn't been the best.

 

The other consideration is whether having Hooper in our side would give us a significantly better chance of promotion. £6 million is a lot of money when you don't get promoted, that's for sure.

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Then if we're not willing to stump a £6m fee for a player (a small amount in todays game) then how does Cortese intend on getting us Champion's League football in the next 5 years or so?

 

Gambling now on promotion is a bit different to when we gambled at the beginning of the season when we made the play-offs last time. We are top of the league and have been all season. Though it's clear for all to see that we need another top quality striker and a couple more players. This isn't the kind of league where we can just try our best this season and go again next season. It's a tough, tough league to get out of and we need to take full advantage of our current position and not let it slip away.

 

This.

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It really depends on what our chances of promotion are - sure, we're top, but we have some very, very tough away games second half of the season and our form of late hasn't been the best.

 

The other consideration is whether having Hooper in our side would give us a significantly better chance of promotion. £6 million is a lot of money when you don't get promoted, that's for sure.

 

But if the Chairman and manager don't 'BELIEVE' when it's January and we're top of the league...who will? If we're as financially sound as we are led to believe then the risk is pretty low IMO.

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It really depends on what our chances of promotion are - sure, we're top, but we have some very, very tough away games second half of the season and our form of late hasn't been the best.

 

The other consideration is whether having Hooper in our side would give us a significantly better chance of promotion. £6 million is a lot of money when you don't get promoted, that's for sure.

 

Well we're not going to get many more better chances than this. The first half of the season we were running on momentum and carried on from where we left off in L1. That's dried up now and we need to strengthen, there is no reason we can't maintain our push for automatic promotion but a few new faces is needed to ensure that.

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But if the Chairman and manager don't 'BELIEVE' when it's January and we're top of the league...who will? If we're as financially sound as we are led to believe then the risk is pretty low IMO.

 

Perhaps they believe that the team that got us to the top of the League plus a new Japanese international striker is good enough to finish the job as well.Did we need Hooper or Rhodes or Maynard to get us there? no we didn't so as we now have T Lee as well perhaps we'll make it after all. Too many people are writing off Tadanari Lee as a novelty signing who'll bring nothing to the side whatsoever. If we need players it's not a 6 million £ striker it's a CB and a Keeper who knows how to keep hold of the sodding ball.

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I just think we're running the risk of falling down the table if we don't improve. It's not like we've been playing particularly well the last month or so is it ?

 

But what has cut our lead at the top of the table is keeper error. 2 points thanks to Bart and at least another 2 thanks to KD would mean that we'd still be 4 points clear.That's the problem we need to resolve first and foremost.

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Perhaps they believe that the team that got us to the top of the League plus a new Japanese international striker is good enough to finish the job as well.Did we need Hooper or Rhodes or Maynard to get us there? no we didn't so as we now have T Lee as well perhaps we'll make it after all. Too many people are writing off Tadanari Lee as a novelty signing who'll bring nothing to the side whatsoever. If we need players it's not a 6 million £ striker it's a CB and a Keeper who knows how to keep hold of the sodding ball.

 

A proven, prolific striker is EXACTLY what we need, it's by far the most important part of the team that needs strengthening. I was saying it all summer and have been saying it all season. Watching us at Doncaster without Lambert was quite frankly pathetic.

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But what has cut our lead at the top of the table is keeper error. 2 points thanks to Bart and at least another 2 thanks to KD would mean that we'd still be 4 points clear.That's the problem we need to resolve first and foremost.

 

I'll bet there isn't a keeper in the Championship that hasn't spilled a shot or two and cost their team points this season. No keeper goes a season without spilling a few, even the very best.

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