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football fans are incredibly chlidish aren't they? Basically there seems to be a game of my dad is bigger than your dad going on on that Celtic Forum. Then on this side there's some equally idiotic comments (especially from the bigot with with a Rangers avatar - seriously on a saints forum!? why?).

 

Personally i think Celtic are clearly a bigger club than us with a much, much bigger support (and a damn good support at that). Cup winners cup and European cup history and a real record of success.

 

I guess that's why most on here want Hooper since they think he's good enough to do a job ABOVE the league we're in now.

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There is no question that they are a bigger club..they are MASSIVE. They have support like you hardly ever see and they travel around the world in thousands. The support they have is pretty much like nothing we have in the country apart from Man Utd.

 

Now....them being better at football than us..that's a completely different question. They aren't. 10 years ago they probably could have done a very decent job in the premier league but right now they are horrible and the standard of football up there has taken a serious nose dive in recent years.

 

I love the way some of the comments are about taking on some of the rejects (Jos) and who do we think they are taking their star striker, potentially. Maybe someone should remind them where Scott Macdonald came from ...and couldn't get a game.

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Celtic and Rangers are MASSIVE clubs and anyone who even thinks, for a nano second, that we are nearly as big is a bigger cock than Alpine, Hypo & Dalek combined!

 

Two massive clubs in a **** poor league. The disparity between the haves and have nots is far greater than in the EPL. Inverness Caledonian make S****horpe look like a big club. If you are a young player looking for a challenge and meaningful success the EPL is where its at - especially to an Essex boy like Hooper imo.

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Celtic and Rangers are MASSIVE clubs and anyone who even thinks, for a nano second, that we are nearly as big is a bigger cock than Alpine, Hypo & Dalek combined!

 

True but means f**k all. They can't compete on what really matters: salaries and quality of football.

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Celtic and Rangers are MASSIVE clubs and anyone who even thinks, for a nano second, that we are nearly as big is a bigger cock than Alpine, Hypo & Dalek combined!

 

Don't think anyone thinks we're bigger - just perhaps more attractive owing to quality of football and perhaps salary (yet to be convinced of this though)

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What beats me, is that if he is such a super player why haven't the Premier League clubs started hunting him down.

 

How do you know they haven't?

 

To be fair Matthew Le God I don't, but have not seen any reports other than about us having an enquiry rebuffed.

 

QPR http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/transfer-news/QPR-want-Celtic-striker-Gary-Hooper-plan-7million-January-swoop-article811621.html

 

Sunderland and QPR http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/886076-gary-hooper-set-to-reject-qpr-and-sunderland-to-stay-at-celtic

 

Aston Villa and Sunderland http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/sport/9460853.Villa_and_Sunderland_to_bid_for_Hooper/

 

Newcastle http://www.thesun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/3869436/Newcastle-line-up-5m-Gary-bid.html

 

Loads of others as well.

 

Rangers' Nikica Jelavic and Celtic's Gary Hooper are the two best strikers in Scottish football, if a team outside the top six in the English Premier League signed Hooper it would be a coup. If Saints in the Championship were to sign Celtic's top scorer (and possibly their best player) it would make headlines and be a real sign of intent. The fact Saints have even made an enquiry for him shows the level of player they want and is a very positive sign. Of course they need to wrap up some deals in order to stop the pessimists moaning, but one thing at a time...

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Celtic and Rangers are massive clubs in Scottish Football terms -and they do get to play in Europe every season - I'll give them that - but normally only for a couple of games.

 

And they do both have big support bases - I'll give them that as well. But 50,000 or 60,000 crowds do look really big when the average club in your league only gets crowds of 15,000.

 

They also have that same 'big club' arrogance as Man Utd and Liverpool supporters - and loads of supporters in Ireland!

 

But I'm not sure they'd thrive in the EPL where there are 6 or so clubs that can regularly pull in crowds of 40,000, 60,000 and even 80,000. Not to mentions the rest - most of whom can easily pull in 30,000 or so each week.

 

In Football terms the SPL is probably on a par with League 1 in England in terms of standard and competition. Lallana, Cork, Lambert, Schneiderlin, Chaplow, Fox and Fonte would all make it into the current Celtic team by quite some way - all have a better pedigree than Hooper and Commons for a start.

 

And right now if we played them over several games we'd win more than we'd lose. The last time we played them it was more or less our youth team - but don't tell them that it will spoil their illusion.

 

It doesn't make us a bigger club in terms of support - but we are one that could be playing in the EPL next season (and that would probably makes us as wealthy if not more so than Celtic) - and if Hooper wants a place in the England squad it may be a bus he wants to catch. I can't see a premier league club outside of the relegation battle taking a gamble on him.

 

By the way I'd welcome Celtic and Rangers into a two tier British Premier League - as long as they left all that sectarian stuff at home.

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In terms of quality, i#d put them on a level with a mid table PL club, who could do well if they get a quality manager (O Neill took Celtic the UEFA final a few years ago), but they are huge clubs in terms of support and few PL clubs have either the numbers or the fervour that they do. The supporters i've met have been spot on too, generally very knowledgable and good fun too. and going to an old firm derby is like nothing else.

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the only reason Celtic and Ranger struggle in Europe is because their budgets are tiny. Give either £30-50m to spend each year like Prem sides get and they'd attract the best players and would be a force in Europe. Likewise if they were allowed in the Prem they'd thrive as money talks.

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In terms of quality, i#d put them on a level with a mid table PL club, who could do well if they get a quality manager (O Neill took Celtic the UEFA final a few years ago), but they are huge clubs in terms of support and few PL clubs have either the numbers or the fervour that they do. The supporters i've met have been spot on too, generally very knowledgable and good fun too. and going to an old firm derby is like nothing else.

 

Nowhere near the PL in terms of quality. SPL football is rubbish now. MON was thee in a bit of a golden era, but things have changed. Look at the starting team and where some of them have come from. Samaras was surplus to requirements at Citeh when they were very ordinary. He's several years older now. A big signing for them was Commons.I'm not dissing him, but he'd be nowhere near a PL team IMO.

 

I don't think they're helped by Lennon either though. I'm stunned Jos didn't get a look in there. He's easily good enough for them, but Lennon hasn't got a clue.

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football fans are incredibly chlidish aren't they? Basically there seems to be a game of my dad is bigger than your dad going on on that Celtic Forum. Then on this side there's some equally idiotic comments (especially from the bigot with with a Rangers avatar - seriously on a saints forum!? why?).

 

Personally i think Celtic are clearly a bigger club than us with a much, much bigger support (and a damn good support at that). Cup winners cup and European cup history and a real record of success.

 

I guess that's why most on here want Hooper since they think he's good enough to do a job ABOVE the league we're in now.

 

Can you please point out the bigoted comments I've made on this thread? I shall look forward to this...

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the only reason Celtic and Ranger struggle in Europe is because their budgets are tiny. Give either £30-50m to spend each year like Prem sides get and they'd attract the best players and would be a force in Europe. Likewise if they were allowed in the Prem they'd thrive as money talks.

 

Exactly this. Their support is truly massive, worldwide fan clubs and the like. I think the SPL get's something like £16m a year for it's TV rights, Prem clubs get more than that each.

 

Given the money our Prem sides receive, they would be up there with the best on the pitch as well.

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The picture of Gazza? is arguably bigoted for some Catholics as he appears to be aping an Orange Order piper. Haven't read any of your posts though so can't comment on those

 

I'm not religious in anyway, so I really couldn't care less about that side of things. I just find the Gazza flute playing a truly iconic moment from one of the games great characters.

 

It's my bigoted comments I'm looking forward to him pointing out...

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not really seen much about Hooper but know he was linked with Prem clubs last summer and even an England spot at one time earlier in the season. Bangs in the goals oop North but I could do that. Would be a good signing by all accounts reading through these posts so will be interesting to see how far we take it!

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I'm not religious in anyway, so I really couldn't care less about that side of things. I just find the Gazza flute playing a truly iconic moment from one of the games great characters.

 

It's my bigoted comments I'm looking forward to him pointing out...

 

He didn't say anything about bigoted comments though. As has been pointed out, the flute playing picture of Gazza would be considered bigoted by Catholics. Whether you care about it or not, or think it's 'iconic', it would offend a lot of Catholics.

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He didn't say anything about bigoted comments though. As has been pointed out, the flute playing picture of Gazza would be considered bigoted by Catholics. Whether you care about it or not, or think it's 'iconic', it would offend a lot of Catholics.

 

How does my avatar make me a bigot?

 

Anyway, we're going off topic here. Carry on chaps...

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He didn't say anything about bigoted comments though. As has been pointed out, the flute playing picture of Gazza would be considered bigoted by Catholics. Whether you care about it or not, or think it's 'iconic', it would offend a lot of Catholics.

 

how does playing a flute make some a bigot? celtic fans have been known to sing about killing the queen and promoting the IRA they are hardly in a position to judge.

 

i'm not religious, but always support Rangers in the old firm matches, i had a workmate who was a Motherwell fan who said most scottish fans hated the fact that their Representation in Europe was Celtic flying the IRISH flag and Rangers flying the union jack

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I'm not religious in anyway, so I really couldn't care less about that side of things. I just find the Gazza flute playing a truly iconic moment from one of the games great characters.

 

It's my bigoted comments I'm looking forward to him pointing out...

 

You called me an IRA sympathising tam Cvnt not that long ago. I'd say you are a wannabe bigot but without a cause.

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Celtic and Rangers are massive clubs in Scottish Football terms -and they do get to play in Europe every season - I'll give them that - but normally only for a couple of games.

 

And they do both have big support bases - I'll give them that as well. But 50,000 or 60,000 crowds do look really big when the average club in your league only gets crowds of 15,000.

 

They also have that same 'big club' arrogance as Man Utd and Liverpool supporters - and loads of supporters in Ireland!

 

But I'm not sure they'd thrive in the EPL where there are 6 or so clubs that can regularly pull in crowds of 40,000, 60,000 and even 80,000. Not to mentions the rest - most of whom can easily pull in 30,000 or so each week.

 

In Football terms the SPL is probably on a par with League 1 in England in terms of standard and competition. Lallana, Cork, Lambert, Schneiderlin, Chaplow, Fox and Fonte would all make it into the current Celtic team by quite some way - all have a better pedigree than Hooper and Commons for a start.

 

And right now if we played them over several games we'd win more than we'd lose. The last time we played them it was more or less our youth team - but don't tell them that it will spoil their illusion.

 

It doesn't make us a bigger club in terms of support - but we are one that could be playing in the EPL next season (and that would probably makes us as wealthy if not more so than Celtic) - and if Hooper wants a place in the England squad it may be a bus he wants to catch. I can't see a premier league club outside of the relegation battle taking a gamble on him.

 

By the way I'd welcome Celtic and Rangers into a two tier British Premier League - as long as they left all that sectarian stuff at home.

 

Sadly though that's the reason for their massive support.........I've always felt that it's more than just supporting a football club up there it's a statement of someones religous/national leanings Celtic = biggest club in Ireland.......

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Sadly though that's the reason for their massive support.........I've always felt that it's more than just supporting a football club up there it's a statement of someones religous/national leanings Celtic = biggest club in Ireland.......

 

Following a football club is is always more than just the football club itself.... unless you're from Surrey and support Man Utd. It's about civic pride and passion for your city of birth (or in Celtic's case...religious routes.....that's fine). That's why when people who don't go to games and don't have a **** week when their team lose can never understand what it means and therefore it's never worth having a football debate with them because they simply don't get it and never will....and there are plenty of those people on here.

 

Anyway, back on topic. Gary Hooper....let's sign him and be great.

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:blush::blush::blush:Guess I'll have to wipe the egg off my face.

 

Take it as a badge of honour. Most people have been "MLG'ed" at some point in their SaintsWeb Forum career. Even someone as erudite and meticulous as me as been caught out before if memory serves me correctly.

 

:D;)

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It doesn't make us a bigger club in terms of support - but we are one that could be playing in the EPL next season (and that would probably makes us as wealthy if not more so than Celtic) - and if Hooper wants a place in the England squad it may be a bus he wants to catch. I can't see a premier league club outside of the relegation battle taking a gamble on him.

 

By the way I'd welcome Celtic and Rangers into a two tier British Premier League - as long as they left all that sectarian stuff at home.

 

Totally agree and that's the angle I would have thought NC would be taking, plus there's obviously the NA connection.

 

Hooper can play in Scotland infront of massive (home) crowds and get the adulation for banging them in week after week against modest opposition but if he has ambition - and I assume he has be accepting Celtic in the first place - he's going to want to play in the PL.

 

Celtic\Rangers are big clubs - no one is denying that - but they will be forever stunted in a league that they have easily outgrown.

 

I also agree on the 2nd point, I'd love to see Rangers and Celtic come into the English leagues, maybe at Champ level. I think they'd add a bit of extra spice.

 

I'd also love to see a team from Dublin created and entered into the English leagues.

 

I think they would get massive support + it would make for some very colourful away games.

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With the infrastructure and fan base Rangers and Celtic have they would soon be top half of the premiership....hypothetcially speaking.

 

They would probably need to get an entirely new squad to achieve that so it would probably take a few years though and the first year would be particularly hard. Their current squads (Hooper aside ....!) are more mid championship standard.

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I also agree on the 2nd point, I'd love to see Rangers and Celtic come into the English leagues, maybe at Champ level. I think they'd add a bit of extra spice.

 

 

It will never, ever happen though. The likes of Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea wouldn't agree to two potential title rivals joining the league - which they would be after a few years, given the money on offer in the Prem and the revenues they would be able to generate.

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There is no question that they are a bigger club..they are MASSIVE. They have support like you hardly ever see and they travel around the world in thousands. The support they have is pretty much like nothing we have in the country apart from Man Utd.

 

Now....them being better at football than us..that's a completely different question. They aren't. 10 years ago they probably could have done a very decent job in the premier league but right now they are horrible and the standard of football up there has taken a serious nose dive in recent years.

 

I love the way some of the comments are about taking on some of the rejects (Jos) and who do we think they are taking their star striker, potentially. Maybe someone should remind them where Scott Macdonald came from ...and couldn't get a game.

 

Spot on...

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It will never, ever happen though. The likes of Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea wouldn't agree to two potential title rivals joining the league - which they would be after a few years, given the money on offer in the Prem and the revenues they would be able to generate.

 

If the sweats go ahead and vote for their independence, that will put a final end to talk of a "British League".

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