trousers Posted 21 January, 2012 Share Posted 21 January, 2012 ....also "we're trying to do everything privately and behind the scenes....it was Celtic who made public our interest.." Nigel Adkins Interesting that it might sound like Cortese drew back ...and didn't made the Third Bid everyone was expecting ...? He does like to keep his cards close to his chest, and not go public on deals..whilst Celtic try to drive up the eventual selling price.? Punishment to Celtic sounds like... ." we're going to spend on someone anyway, but if you can't keep confidences on a deal.. then *ukc U. We'll go elsewhere. Indeed. Text book negotiation tactics before going in for the kill. Still in phase 2 (out of 3). Just a hunch though. Could be wrong (for once) :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted 21 January, 2012 Share Posted 21 January, 2012 ....also "we're trying to do everything privately and behind the scenes....it was Celtic who made public our interest.." Nigel Adkins Interesting that it might sound like Cortese drew back ...and didn't made the Third Bid everyone was expecting ...? He does like to keep his cards close to his chest, and not go public on deals..whilst Celtic try to drive up the eventual selling price.? Punishment to Celtic sounds like... ." we're going to spend on someone anyway, but if you can't keep confidences on a deal.. then *ukc U. We'll go elsewhere. Sounds like a game of bluff and double bluff to me. Celtic are doing everything they can to drive the price up by publicly stating we are interested and how highly they value him. Saints are doing everything to keep the price at a more acceptable level (but are no doubt also looking at other options as well). I would suggest we have a valuation in mind and are not prepared to pay over that figure and it's now down to Celtic over the next 9 days to decide whether they can really afford to turn down a small fortune for one of their players. Sounds like Hooper himself is hedging his bets. No point infuriating Celtic fans by saying he wants to go if he ends up having to stay. Plus....all the time there is publicity about this move we are able to negotiate elsewhere more discretely. I think there will be one more addition to the squad before the window closes, but it won't be Hooper - and then Celtic will come out with all the rubbish about how we have wasted their time and unsettled their player... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 21 January, 2012 Share Posted 21 January, 2012 Hands up all those who think the Hooper saga - isn't over yet ? Oh God, I don't I dont!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 22 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 22 January, 2012 I do wonder whether we've been given an indication of what would be an acceptable offer for someone else & we've been matching this off against what we've been offering for Hooper & we're now at the point whether the other mystery individual is the more viable option, hence no further bid for Hooper. I do get the feeling that our activity in this window is not yet at an end. Only a hunch though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 22 January, 2012 Share Posted 22 January, 2012 Interesting sky sports article on who to avoid in the january transfer window! I'm inclined to agree, and if Hooper hadn't proven himself with S****horpe I'd say don't go anywhere near him. Still, he has only proven himself at Championship level so the fees mentioned seem a bit over the top. But then again, I suppose if Lambert was young we'd be wanting a huge sum. [h=5]Any Striker From The Scottish Premier League[/h]Nikica Jelavic, Gary Hooper, Jon Daly; all three have been linked with moves to the Premier League this month, but despite the trio's goalscoring feats north of the border, it would be an unwise move to pin your hopes on any of them. The standard of football in the SPL has declined rapidly over the past few years to the stage where strikers aren't poaching goals against Championship-level defences, rather finding themselves untested against quality befitting League One. Conor Sammon's transfer from Kilmarnock to Wigan at this juncture last season is a case in point. The striker was relatively free-scoring for a struggling side in the SPL, but has only found the net once for the Latics. David Goodwillie has also failed to impress at Blackburn and is widely known to be one of the worst players statistically in the PL this season. Gone are the days of Henrik Larsson and Michael Mols; browsing the Scottish market is a risky business. lot of good points adrians, and I agree it's often the case that Scottish imports have trouble settling into the English game. Different style of play, bit more physical in the Scottish games maybe, a little less (what we sometimes call skill)...etc, However, the one point that occurs to me is that Hooper has played most of his (hitherto successful career start) - in England and continues to do so In Scotland. The idea of selling Hooper obviously bring out the Celtic fans anger, in much the same way if we were selling Lambert ! The scenario goes something like this....... Their club tries to keep the fans happy by saying "we don't want to sell our best players" (whilst their bankers are saying ...what are you going to do about this overdraft of yours ?). The manager tows the party line and say what a valauble asset the player is, and that he is staying put ... and the player doesn't want to put himself in bad with the fans, and mouths off about how much he wants to be a ****** player, and how great the club is. SO FAR .....no problems, until the club gets an offer "they can't refuse " and "reluctantly" agrees to sell - whilst the player is quietly considering if he really wants to swap the two-horse race in the Scottish Prem. in order to play in the best league in the World (i.e. the ENGLISH Premiership). ...and with a possible salary increase of 300% in 6 months time ? Everyone can see a win-win situation - except the Celtic fans ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 22 January, 2012 Share Posted 22 January, 2012 Hands up all those who think the Hooper saga - isn't over yet ? In truth it was never really a starter. I told you so, just as I did in the summer. We are building the team over a period of time and in a sustainable way. I would say that we are aiming for promotion by 2014, but if we manage before then, we'll take it. What we won't do is bust the plan just to get there early. We are not doing a Wham! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 January, 2012 Share Posted 22 January, 2012 In truth it was never really a starter. I told you so, just as I did in the summer. We are building the team over a period of time and in a sustainable way. I would say that we are aiming for promotion by 2014, but if we manage before then, we'll take it. What we won't do is bust the plan just to get there early. We are not doing a Wham! You also said in the summer, and continued to well into the season that Saints would finish 17th. - Saints now have 50 points from 26 games - Barnsley last season finished 17th with 56 points from 46 games 60 points left for Saints to get this seaosn, do you think they will only get around 6 points from the next 20 games? Would be something like this... Play 20 Win 1 Draw 3 Lose 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 22 January, 2012 Share Posted 22 January, 2012 In truth it was never really a starter. I told you so, just as I did in the summer. We are building the team over a period of time and in a sustainable way. I would say that we are aiming for promotion by 2014, but if we manage before then, we'll take it. What we won't do is bust the plan just to get there early. We are not doing a Wham! :adore::adore: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millbrook Saint Posted 22 January, 2012 Share Posted 22 January, 2012 In truth it was never really a starter. I told you so, just as I did in the summer. We are building the team over a period of time and in a sustainable way. I would say that we are aiming for promotion by 2014, but if we manage before then, we'll take it. What we won't do is bust the plan just to get there early. We are not doing a Wham! Bet you can wait till we don't get promoted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 22 January, 2012 Share Posted 22 January, 2012 I am sure if we had Glen Hoddle as manager we would have signed Hooper and many others by now. I just cant understand why we didnt sack Adkins in the summer and bring him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MongoNeil Posted 22 January, 2012 Share Posted 22 January, 2012 I can't believe this thread is still going. Move on people, move on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 January, 2012 Share Posted 22 January, 2012 I can't believe this thread is still going. Move on people, move on... I'm waitng until 1st Feb before moving on. Assuming that's OK with the forum thought police....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 22 January, 2012 Share Posted 22 January, 2012 I'm waitng until 1st Feb before moving on. Assuming that's OK with the forum thought police....? I'll keep you company Trousers!!! I will supply the coffee if you get the biscuits! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 January, 2012 Share Posted 22 January, 2012 http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/football-hotline/2012/01/22/southampton-have-bid-rejected-for-huddersfield-goal-machine-jordan-rhodes-102039-23711159/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 January, 2012 Share Posted 22 January, 2012 I'm waitng until 1st Feb before moving on. Assuming that's OK with the forum thought police....? Don't know about that, loitering with intent resuscitate old transfer threads is a heinous crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 January, 2012 Share Posted 22 January, 2012 http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/football-hotline/2012/01/22/southampton-have-bid-rejected-for-huddersfield-goal-machine-jordan-rhodes-102039-23711159/ The People have never let the facts get in the way of a story. No way did we bid £7m for Hooper and if we did why would we only bid £3m when it has already reported that Huddersfield had turned down a bigger bid from WHU at the start of the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 22 January, 2012 Share Posted 22 January, 2012 http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/football-hotline/2012/01/22/southampton-have-bid-rejected-for-huddersfield-goal-machine-jordan-rhodes-102039-23711159/ Mmmm, curiouser and curiouser... ......." The People understtnds that Southampton made a bid ..." (who's phone have they been ta**ing?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 January, 2012 Share Posted 22 January, 2012 I'll keep you company Trousers!!! I will supply the coffee if you get the biscuits! Hobnobs at the ready sir :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin Strain Posted 22 January, 2012 Share Posted 22 January, 2012 I'm waitng until 1st Feb before moving on. Assuming that's OK with the forum thought police....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 22 January, 2012 Share Posted 22 January, 2012 Bet you can wait till we don't get promoted Wrong. I would love us to finish as champions. What I desire and hope for is very different to how I look at things objectively. So, to put it simply. I have the same high hopes as every saints fan, but I do not allow those hopes to cloud the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 22 January, 2012 Share Posted 22 January, 2012 I am sure if we had Glen Hoddle as manager we would have signed Hooper and many others by now. I just cant understand why we didnt sack Adkins in the summer and bring him in. If we had appointed Hoddle in 2004 and he was still our manager today (which is what your post says) i would assume that he had been successful and at the very least we would still be in the Premiership. As a premiership team with a 33rd year in the top league I am sure there would be other targets other than Hooper. Hope that answers your question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin Strain Posted 22 January, 2012 Share Posted 22 January, 2012 Wrong. I would love us to finish as champions. What I desire and hope for is very different to how I look at things objectively. So, to put it simply. I have the same high hopes as every saints fan, but I do not allow those hopes to cloud the facts. OK, so let's deal in facts then. The only fact that there is, is that we're 2nd in the table with a game in hand, over half way through the season. Where we'll be at the end of the season is conjecture and opinion. Your widely known view in the summer (unless I've misunderstood), is that we'd finish 17th. A valid opinion for you to have back then, but not based on any fact. It seems as though that won't be the case now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 22 January, 2012 Share Posted 22 January, 2012 OK, so let's deal in facts then. The only fact that there is, is that we're 2nd in the table with a game in hand, over half way through the season. Where we'll be at the end of the season is conjecture and opinion. Your widely known view in the summer (unless I've misunderstood), is that we'd finish 17th. A valid opinion for you to have back then, but not based on any fact. It seems as though that won't be the case now. Bar the Forest game and the Coventry cup game, i would suggest our last 8 games point to a more modest finish that a top 10 position. The recent poor from is fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin Strain Posted 22 January, 2012 Share Posted 22 January, 2012 (edited) Bar the Forest game and the Coventry cup game, i would suggest our last 8 games point to a more modest finish that a top 10 position. The recent poor from is fact. And if we win tomorrow we'll be top and 4 points + goal difference ahead of 3rd, having had a poor run of form (bar the last two games). That's also a fact. You could have said that our recent away form is excellent, as we've won 2 games on the road on the bounce. That's a fact. If you extrapolated our last 8 games out across the season, then we wouldn't be top, granted. But it's never that straightforward. If we do in the second half of the season what you didn't think we'd do in the first half of the season, we'll probably be promoted automatically (based on past points tally for auto promotion). Your opinion seems to be that we won't get promoted, which is fine by me, as that's your opinion. Personally I have no idea. I hope we do, but there's a lot of twists and turns from here. Edited 22 January, 2012 by Chin Strain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 January, 2012 Share Posted 22 January, 2012 Bar the Forest game and the Coventry cup game, i would suggest our last 8 games point to a more modest finish that a top 10 position. The recent poor from is fact. - It would take a massive collapse to even fall out of the play contention. Saints have 60 points left to play for and are only 25 behind the point total needed last season for 6th place. 6 wins, 7 draws and 7 defeats would do that from the remaining 20 games. - To come 10th would only need 17 points out of the 60 available based on last season. 4 wins, 5 draws, 11 defeats would do that from the remaining 20 games. I think you are failing to realise that given Saints already have 50 points, for them to drop down the table as you think it would need a catastrophic final 20 games as teams below will struggle to catch upto 50 points and then better what Saints pick up in the remaining games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 22 January, 2012 Share Posted 22 January, 2012 - It would take a massive collapse to even fall out of the play contention. Saints have 60 points left to play for and are only 25 behind the point total needed last season for 6th place. 6 wins, 7 draws and 7 defeats would do that from the remaining 20 games. - To come 10th would only need 17 points out of the 60 available based on last season. 4 wins, 5 draws, 11 defeats would do that from the remaining 20 games. I think you are failing to realise that given Saints already have 50 points, for them to drop down the table as you think it would need a catastrophic final 20 games as teams below will struggle to catch upto 50 points and then better what Saints pick up in the remaining games. Dalek doesn't realise that all the other teams are playing each other too and thus taking points off one another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 January, 2012 Share Posted 22 January, 2012 It would seem not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Is Dalek2003 on a wind up or just a moron? Some truly ridiculous comments from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Is Dalek2003 on a wind up or just a moron? I suspect both! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 I'd be disappointed now with only a play-off place, but at the start of the season I would have been delighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 And if we win tomorrow we'll be top and 4 points + goal difference ahead of 3rd, having had a poor run of form (bar the last two games). That's also a fact. You could have said that our recent away form is excellent, as we've won 2 games on the road on the bounce. That's a fact. If you extrapolated our last 8 games out across the season, then we wouldn't be top, granted. But it's never that straightforward. If we do in the second half of the season what you didn't think we'd do in the first half of the season, we'll probably be promoted automatically (based on past points tally for auto promotion). Your opinion seems to be that we won't get promoted, which is fine by me, as that's your opinion. Personally I have no idea. I hope we do, but there's a lot of twists and turns from here. I hope we get promoted as well. However, my interpretation of the stats in the last 8 suggest we won't. But, as you say that is my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 Celtic must have loved that tonight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 23 January, 2012 Share Posted 23 January, 2012 I hope we get promoted as well. However, my interpretation of the stats in the last 8 suggest we won't. But, as you say that is my opinion. Just update that to 'the last 9 suggest... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 We are making a third offer for Hooper very soon. Hooper's request for an improved deal has been turned down by Celtic, until the summer at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 finally, pretty sure third bid wont happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 We are making a third offer for Hooper very soon. Hooper's request for an improved deal has been turned down by Celtic, until the summer at least Source..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 finally, pretty sure third bid wont happen! Especially if the rumours about Sharp are to be believed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Sky Sports @SkySports Sky Sports understands Celtic have rejected an enquiry from Blackpool for Paddy McCourt. #BFC #Celticfc bit.ly/zHyaAQ They don't like us Championship oiks, do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Why do journalists take a seemingly categoric quote such as "that's it, end of story" and paraphrase it with an element (no matter how small) of doubt: "Adkins has all but given up hope". Why not just say: "Adkins has given up hope" instead of qualifying it with "all but"? Probably to save face, but also because there are always twists and turns in these things, and perhaps Adkins is playing poker, as it were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Sky Sports @SkySports Sky Sports understands Celtic have rejected an enquiry from Blackpool for Paddy McCourt. #BFC#Celticfcbit.ly/zHyaAQ They don't like us Championship oiks, do they? Interesting. McCourt is a winger.....which winger are blackpool looking to replace before they sell I wonder....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Interesting. McCourt is a winger.....which winger are blackpool looking to replace before they sell I wonder....? Don't think so. Just moving on after we turned down their Puncheon offer I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Source..? His mate and relative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Interesting. McCourt is a winger.....which winger are blackpool looking to replace before they sell I wonder....? Grandin is signing for Nice today I think, don't know if he figures much for Blackpool though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 If when we do sign him can someone please photoshop the headlines onto this please Once again I am proven right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 24 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Alan Nixon, the Mirror journo on Twitter, said that he was surprised there's been no progress on the Sharp deal today. Combine that with Bucks' comment about going back with a new bid for Hooper & maybe we're using Sharp to lever a deal for Hooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Alan Nixon' date=' the Mirror journo on Twitter, said that he was surprised there's been no progress on the Sharp deal today. Combine that with Bucks' comment about going back with a new bid for Hooper & maybe we're using Sharp to lever a deal for Hooper.[/quote'] I personally don't get that logic really. If a club doesn't want to sell their player, and they then see us going for someone else, surely they'll think ''thank god they've gone, now we can get back to normal" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Why would you base on opinion on that 8 rather than the whole season? You didn't ever base it on a run of 8 games early season did you? If you don't believe we'll go up based on what you've seen all season, fair enough. Just don't get the 8 game thing. Form tables etc exist because form is temporary, that's why it's interesting. There seems to be a trend for people to take bad results or bad form and suggest it will continue, yet when there's good form they just wait for it to end! The logic doesn't seem to apply both ways. Maybe that's just the brain wiring of a football fan. Well, you can say what you like. I predicted 17th back in August and I stand by it. We will lose our next five for a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 24 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2012 I personally don't get that logic really. If a club doesn't want to sell their player, and they then see us going for someone else, surely they'll think ''thank god they've gone, now we can get back to normal" ? Maybe but what if the Celtic board are more willing to negotiate a fee than Lennon would like or admit? What if Hooper is making it clear that he's not as happy as his proclamations on their OS? That way they may be more anxious if we go elsewhere? Just a thought really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 We are making a third offer for Hooper very soon. Hooper's request for an improved deal has been turned down by Celtic, until the summer at least Even if this is true, Hooper aint going nowhere unless he hands in a transfer request. Celtic have gone too far to lose that much face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langleysaint Posted 24 January, 2012 Share Posted 24 January, 2012 Alan Nixon' date=' the Mirror journo on Twitter, said that he was surprised there's been no progress on the Sharp deal today. Combine that with Bucks' comment about going back with a new bid for Hooper & maybe we're using Sharp to lever a deal for Hooper.[/quote'] Nobody knows whats going on behind the scene`s , but if we are playing games and end up with no one coming it will be very disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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