Norm Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Quote: Thanks for your decent views - always nice to see good balanced oppo coming on here. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 This is getting a bit silly now. Celtic want unrealistically silly money for him and don't want to be seen to lose face. Hooper already says he wants to stay so they won't be able to use the line that he wanted to go. They aren't going to sell unless its 10M IMO and there is no way we are going to pay that. Why is it silly? £10m for a striker who gets you over the finishing line into the premier league is money well spent. Plus, our owners are supposedly billionaires and should be well versed in the merits of investing in assets. Ie taking calculated risks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashby Saint Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Why is it silly? £10m for a striker who gets you over the finishing line into the premier league is money well spent. Plus' date=' our owners are supposedly billionaires and should be well versed in the merits of investing in assets. Ie taking calculated risks[/quote'] It is silly because we could sign a striker that would achieve the same thing for a lot less. Now if Hooper has a decent sell on potential in a couple of years for a lot more then it could be a useful investment. But if it is just to get promoted then there are cheaper options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 This is all a replay of what Paris Saint Germaine (PSG) are playing over here in France to attract good players, to show ambition and land a good manager, good players. We have a good manager, good players but all this Hooper story is showing one and all Saints mean business and are ready to spend to achieve their ambitions. IF we buy Hooper it will show Saints mean business, but only IF we buy him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Kerrydale Street is a better forum than talk Celtic btw, I don't have an account on either though. For what it is worth, I don't think Hooper is a 10 million player but he is a very good finisher, his goal when we got beat 4 2 at Ibrox this season was one of the best finishes I have seen. AsI have said earlier financially we are in a very good position so I doubt we would sell especially when top of the league. Him and Stokes are very god partners for each other their link up play is great, I know noticed quite a few of people on here seem to look down on Stokes, incorrectly IMO he is also a very good player and him and Hooper suit each other to a tee. Thanks for allowing me on this forum it's very well run. As others have said, thanks for taking the time to give us some good info and for your excellent manner. It will all come down to money at the end of the day one way or another - And at the moment I can't call how it will end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 It is silly because we could sign a striker that would achieve the same thing for a lot less. Now if Hooper has a decent sell on potential in a couple of years for a lot more then it could be a useful investment. But if it is just to get promoted then there are cheaper options. Why are we even talking about this? Of course we wont pay this amount of money on someone just to get promoted. Firstly, it doesnt gurantee promotion, secondly we are looking for players that can do well for us now and in the premiership and three our manager and chairmen and not that stupid and to suggest they are is insulting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 IF we buy Hooper it will show Saints mean business, but only IF we buy him. Uhuh. If we don't, we clearly have no ambition and will end up settling for 17th place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 In good times you need to be saving money for the bad times. If we reach the Premier League, I would like to be in a position where we did not need parachute payments. In good years you should put money away for the bad years. I've been following this thread with some interest and with every passing page the price is going up. I can't see it happening. I really can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Uhuh. If we don't, we clearly have no ambition and will end up settling for 17th place. OK for your benefit I will make it a bit more simple. I could go down to the local Porsche dealer and say I am going to spend £150,000 on a car. Now the dealer might take me seriously but probably he won't know for sure until I actually revela the money and the deal goes through. We can all idly speculate, but then a lot of people do that and many are not really serious. Now, as for Saints, if we do spend the money and secure Hooper for £6m+ then we will be noticed and taken seriously. But until we actually spend the cash no one will take idle speculation seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 OK for your benefit I will make it a bit more simple. I could go down to the local Porsche dealer and say I am going to spend £150,000 on a car. Now the dealer might take me seriously but probably he won't know for sure until I actually revela the money and the deal goes through. We can all idly speculate, but then a lot of people do that and many are not really serious. Now, as for Saints, if we do spend the money and secure Hooper for £6m+ then we will be noticed and taken seriously. But until we actually spend the cash no one will take idle speculation seriously. profound! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 It is silly because we could sign a striker that would achieve the same thing for a lot less. Now if Hooper has a decent sell on potential in a couple of years for a lot more then it could be a useful investment. But if it is just to get promoted then there are cheaper options. Care to name the cheaper options who will get us to the prem? I do think we need to bolster our campaign. Paying £10m for a striker who scores the goals that turn the losses into draws and draws into wins that eventually mean the difference between promotion and staying in the championship would be money well spent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Care to name the cheaper options who will get us to the prem? I do think we need to bolster our campaign. Paying £10m for a striker who scores the goals that turn the losses into draws and draws into wins that eventually mean the difference between promotion and staying in the championship would be money well spent Hang on, we're top of the frigging league. And every single other club that has got promoted over the last decade has just about managed to do it without spending ten million pounds on one striker. Like others have said on this forum we have already improved the squad, and the squad we have now is more than capable of getting us promoted. Screaming about spending £10m on one player like it is a straight choice between promotion and failure is absolute hysterical nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 I am not sure how you have got this interesting information. It would be good if you could share it with us as I have never seen any statements of any sort from NA saying he thought Forte was a good player. Certainly he has hardly ever picked him here and he wasn't a regular at Scunny. I think he saw his pace as a potential asset and in league one he put in a couple of half decent shifts which was all we needed from him. And finally you have clearly led a very sheltered life and I suggest you try a few games in league two to get some perspective. Forte is not a great player but I went to Shrewsbury vs Northampton a couple of weeks ago. He would have been one of the best players on the pitch. Errrr... maybe the fact that he signed him for us. That was a slight give away... I have seen plenty of football matches, all over the world thanks and I've yet to encounter a professional player who can't control a football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 What is the record for the longest thread about a player that we never signed...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonbairn Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Thanks for your decent views - always nice to see good balanced oppo coming on here. FWIW I've always felt it would be an ask to get him in January, but all I can say is that we seem pretty keen and are putting alot of time and effort into it! Regarding Stokes...I think alot of us look down on him because of how poor he was at this level with Sunderland. He was tipped as a massive player for them when they got him for £2m or so, but he was pretty poor at this level to say the least. Sounds like he's greatly improved as a player now though. Stokes came on loan to Falkirk from Arsenal and scored 18 goals in 16 games and I thought he was a fantastic player. He ripped every team apart including the Old Firm. For a team who were struggling to stay in the SPL before his arrival, his goals helped secure another season in the SPL for Falkirk. At the end of the loan period several clubs including Celtic tried to lure him away from Arsenal and he surprisingly ended up at Sunderland. I followed his career after he left Falkirk as I was convinced he would be a world class star. That was when I finally realised how big the gulf was between the English leagues and the SPL as he flopped miserably down south. Wenger obviously saw the writing on the wall, because if he was potentially world class he would never have sold him. When he returned to Scotland to play for Hibs...surprise surprise, he started scoring goals at an incredible rate again. When judging a player, it's not just how good they look or how good their scoring ratio is, you have got to look at the quality of players they are playing against. I don't think Stokes has improved since his loan period at Falkirk, he's still banging in the goals because he's back up here playing against a poorer quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K,Billy's supersound Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 What is the record for the longest thread about a player that we never signed...? 29 pages 1434 posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 It is silly because we could sign a striker that would achieve the same thing for a lot less. Now if Hooper has a decent sell on potential in a couple of years for a lot more then it could be a useful investment. But if it is just to get promoted then there are cheaper options. Can we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Can we? Yes. Next question. About three weeks ago no one on this forum was even considering Gary Hooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Hang on, we're top of the frigging league. And every single other club that has got promoted over the last decade has just about managed to do it without spending ten million pounds on one striker. Like others have said on this forum we have already improved the squad, and the squad we have now is more than capable of getting us promoted. Screaming about spending £10m on one player like it is a straight choice between promotion and failure is absolute hysterical nonsense. The person being hysterical is you my friend. I was trying to ask a logical question. Nowhere have I "screamed" that we should buy hooper. I was simply asking why our owners, who are successful business people, and thus well acquainted with taking calculated risks, wouldn't consider buying hooper for £10m with a potential payout of £100m further down the line? You should write headlines for the sun. Calm down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Yes. Next question. About three weeks ago no one on this forum was even considering Gary Hooper. That's because we hadn't shown any interest or at least none of us were aware of any interest. Now we are, it's rightly being discussed and people quite like the idea of it. If it happens, then brilliant, if it doesn't, then as long as we end up with a decent striker, I'm happy. If we spend big then so be it, we'd be doing it because we could afford it. This time round we're being run by a clued up business man with money at his disposal (so we're led to believe). Not a couple of small time chancers like last time who spent money that wasn't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Care to name the cheaper options who will get us to the prem? I do think we need to bolster our campaign. Paying £10m for a striker who scores the goals that turn the losses into draws and draws into wins that eventually mean the difference between promotion and staying in the championship would be money well spent Well you're assuming that a striker, any striker that costs a lot will get us to the prem but it's not that simple. We could sign Rooney but he wouldn't get us promotion on his own - the rest of the team contribute as well. Obviously that's just common sense so given that any transfer is a gamble let's look at potential players who could do a job for probably half the price: Sharp, Maynard, Sordell and Rodriguez off the top of my head - all have similar goal scoring records to Hooper in the Championship and could do as well in the SPL as Hooper has done. So whilst signing any of them would be a risk so also would Hooper, the only difference is he would cost twice as much. That said, I hope we do sign Hooper but let's not get carried away here - signing him is no guarantee of anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 The person being hysterical is you my friend. I was trying to ask a logical question. Nowhere have I "screamed" that we should buy hooper. I was simply asking why our owners' date=' who are successful business people, and thus well acquainted with taking calculated risks, wouldn't consider buying hooper for £10m with a potential payout of £100m further down the line?[/b'] You should write headlines for the sun. Calm down. Okay precious. You haven't screamed. You have a knack of asking pretty dopey questions though. Part of the calculations in that risk would be any evidence that every single other club that have got promoted haven't found the need to jizz £10m on a single striker. I am bewildered why you've stopped at £10million. Why not £40m? After all, there's £100m pot of gold at the end of it so must be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Just a brief reminder of what Hooper himself said on Monday: "I don't want to go anywhere. "I'm a Celtic player and very happy here, winning games for Celtic and we're two points clear at the top." He isn't going to come here. Maybe in the summer, who knows. Move on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 I'm glad to see Celticman confirmed my post this morning that hooper was training at Celtic . From my contact it is clear he is staying at Celtic for now . I think the hooper saga is a smoke screen for something else . There was not even a mention on BenC Scotland or STV about hooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Just a brief reminder of what Hooper himself said on Monday: "I don't want to go anywhere. "I'm a Celtic player and very happy here, winning games for Celtic and we're two points clear at the top." He isn't going to come here. Maybe in the summer, who knows. Move on! What is quoted in public and what happens in private are two very different things. He may well be staying at Celtic but even if he had no intention, the "quotes" would be exactly the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Okay precious. You haven't screamed. You have a knack of asking pretty dopey questions though. Part of the calculations in that risk would be any evidence that every single other club that have got promoted haven't found the need to jizz £10m on a single striker. I am bewildered why you've stopped at £10million. Why not £40m? After all, there's £100m pot of gold at the end of it so must be worth it. As I said go apply for a job writing headlines for the sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Has he signed yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 What is quoted in public and what happens in private are two very different things. He may well be staying at Celtic but even if he had no intention, the "quotes" would be exactly the same. But all we have is what is quoted in public. You could be a transvestite donkey witch, you say you are not in public, but who knows what is done in private! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Well you're assuming that a striker, any striker that costs a lot will get us to the prem but it's not that simple. We could sign Rooney but he wouldn't get us promotion on his own - the rest of the team contribute as well. Obviously that's just common sense so given that any transfer is a gamble let's look at potential players who could do a job for probably half the price: Sharp, Maynard, Sordell and Rodriguez off the top of my head - all have similar goal scoring records to Hooper in the Championship and could do as well in the SPL as Hooper has done. So whilst signing any of them would be a risk so also would Hooper, the only difference is he would cost twice as much. That said, I hope we do sign Hooper but let's not get carried away here - signing him is no guarantee of anything. No I haven't assumed anything. I was honestly asking whether or not you think that cortese, Adkins etc have considered the risk of paying what is agreeably an extortionate amount of money on a player versus the potential reward of it paying off? And yes I am fully aware that"no other club has spent £10m on a player to get promoted" And that we have a very good chance of getting promoted anyway etc etc. That's why it's called a calculated risk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Just a brief reminder of what Hooper himself said on Monday: "I don't want to go anywhere. "I'm a Celtic player and very happy here, winning games for Celtic and we're two points clear at the top." He isn't going to come here. Maybe in the summer, who knows. Move on! What he said to Celtic fans and what Cortese makes him say when he figures out where he lives are two different things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Lennon - No further bids.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16643271.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 No I haven't assumed anything. I was honestly asking whether or not you think that cortese' date=' Adkins etc have considered the risk of paying what is agreeably an extortionate amount of money on a player versus the potential reward of it paying off? And yes I am fully aware that"no other club has spent £10m on a player to get promoted" And that we have a very good chance of getting promoted anyway etc etc. That's why it's called a calculated risk[/quote'] Okay. You win. Those sensible business people have considered it. And then decided against it. What you are talking about is not a "calculated risk". It's just a risk because there is no need to spend £10m on single player in order to get promoted. If we do spend £10m on him I will think it a pretty loopy thing to do, regardless of whether we get promoted or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millbrook Saint Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Errrr... maybe the fact that he signed him for us. That was a slight give away... I have seen plenty of football matches, all over the world thanks and I've yet to encounter a professional player who can't control a football. ALi Dia, and not so far from home eh lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 No I haven't assumed anything. I was honestly asking whether or not you think that cortese' date=' Adkins etc have considered the risk of paying what is agreeably an extortionate amount of money on a player versus the potential reward of it paying off? And yes I am fully aware that"no other club has spent £10m on a player to get promoted" And that we have a very good chance of getting promoted anyway etc etc. That's why it's called a calculated risk[/quote'] To be fair that's not what you were saying in the post I quoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 I wouldnt really consider paying 10m for Hooper. With 2 multi million pound bids already in and various reports of a substantial increase in wages on offer, I am more than content that the club have access to good money much to the dissapointment no doubt of those on here, who to date have been implying otherwise. If its worth it go for it, if they take the ****, forget it I say. No point spending money for the sake of it. We all know the club is in good shape and Cortese has the money to back it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 I've been following this thread with some interest and with every passing page the price is going up. I can't see it happening. I really can't. Agreed. The only person I see gaining out of all this is Hooper himself, with a probable re-negotiated contract with Celtic. Without having any insider info at all, I'm convinced it's a smokescreen and that Saints have been working on getting a different (cheaper) striker in, and it's a boost to Cortese's ego if people are going to believe that he is sanctioning £6 million-plus bids for players. To be honest, even though he is clearly a class act, I'm not sure Hooper would be a good signing for Saints. Big-money signings have rarely worked out for us over the years, thinking particularly from 2001 - 2005 and then the clown Burley's purchases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 No way should we even be considering buying Gary Hooper for anything above £4 million. Won't cut it in the Premiership in my opinion, and the figures being bandied about are Premier League levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 FWIW I trust NA and NC and if they think GH is worth what they pay for him, I trust that opinion!!! I also think we will get him, as I have heard from too many sources that he wants to be part of our dream! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Won't cut it in the Premiership On what do you base that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 on what do you base that? fm12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Well that is a foolish thing to do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 20 January, 2012 Share Posted 20 January, 2012 fm12 Clearly playing FM12 wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 20 January, 2012 Share Posted 20 January, 2012 I'd rather we forked out 2 or 3 million for Barnsley's Ricardo Vaz Te to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 January, 2012 Share Posted 20 January, 2012 What is the record for the longest thread about a player that we never signed...? Charlie Austin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 20 January, 2012 Share Posted 20 January, 2012 I'd rather we forked out 2 or 3 million for Barnsley's Ricardo Vaz Te to be honest. He's been playing well recently, but no way is he worth that. Could probably get him for under 1million if we really wanted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 20 January, 2012 Share Posted 20 January, 2012 I'd rather we forked out 2 or 3 million for Barnsley's Ricardo Vaz Te to be honest. Dont be ridiculous he is god awful and nowhere near worth 1m... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 20 January, 2012 Share Posted 20 January, 2012 Agreed. The only person I see gaining out of all this is Hooper himself, with a probable re-negotiated contract with Celtic. Without having any insider info at all, I'm convinced it's a smokescreen and that Saints have been working on getting a different (cheaper) striker in, and it's a boost to Cortese's ego if people are going to believe that he is sanctioning £6 million-plus bids for players. To be honest, even though he is clearly a class act, I'm not sure Hooper would be a good signing for Saints. Big-money signings have rarely worked out for us over the years, thinking particularly from 2001 - 2005 and then the clown Burley's purchases. Have there really been any? Delap - I'll give you that, expensive flop. Why we spent so much on an average, midfield utility man from Coventry I don't know. Delgado - He was a decent player, just crippled. As long as Hooper has 2 working knees that shouldn't be a problem. Phillips - £3.25m for a player who bags 15 goals a season in the Premier League isn't too bad. Prutton - Was half decent in the Premier League, I thought he was a bargain for the first 2 years. Was never the same after his long suspension and injuries. Aside from that, I can't think of anyone we've spent more than £2m on. Burley spent a lot of money, but there were no big money signings. I think Rasiak for £2m was about as expensive as it got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 20 January, 2012 Share Posted 20 January, 2012 You know we got Delap from Derby yes ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 20 January, 2012 Share Posted 20 January, 2012 No major comment but NA didn't deny we are still interested on Saints Player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 20 January, 2012 Share Posted 20 January, 2012 No major comment but NA didn't deny we are still interested on Saints Player. I see it either we are still trying to sign him and the fact he was more cagey about hooper than after forest game suggests deal could be close. on the other hand he is using hooper as a smokescreen so the media dont get wind of another deal. i think if hooper plays for celtic over the weekend that will indicate it wont happen and we move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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