Sour Mash Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 IF we have to pay £6m that is a lot of money. I know the owners/manager want to build for the future but we know they will not be held to ransom on price. How else do you think the signing of any top class player under contract would take place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 I discount most of what Lennon says. The apparent lack of interest matters because, when strikers of his supposed calibre become available, there's never any shortage of interest in them. And the noise around this suggests that Hooper is - or may be - available. It doesn't mean we should start back-pedalling but it is a valid question. It's a gamble, but every transfer is. I'm sure Chelsea fans were very happy with the signing of Torres but what a monumental failure he's been and he's a world class striker who has done it at the highest level. As someone else said, if Hooper carries on like he is at the moment, there will be plenty of interest (I believe there was some Premiership interest back in the summer!) later on, so we may as well take the gamble now before someone else does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Not being a critic of NA, but could it be that he doesn't like being outside of his comfort zone? I know Lee signing kind of ruins that idea, however we have been linked with nearly every half decent player NA has managed. Therefore most Prem clubs wouldn't pay such a fee as stated, but as Hooper and NA have worked together before then he is willing to pay over the odds to get him on board without taking a risk. (Might not make sense, and realise this debate could go round and round in circles) Fair point SB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 It's Celtic FFS, I could score goals against Inverness Caledonian Thistle and Mallaig Wanderers. F*cking hell, how many times does it need to be said? He scored a load of goals in the Championship for a poor Scunny team, has scored numerous times against Rangers and has scored against decent teams in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 It's a gamble, but every transfer is. I'm sure Chelsea fans were very happy with the signing of Torres but what a monumental failure he's been and he's a world class striker who has done it at the highest level. As someone else said, if Hooper carries on like he is at the moment, there will be plenty of interest (I believe there was some Premiership interest back in the summer!) later on, so we may as well take the gamble now before someone else does. Exactly- we are in a position where we have good players, and shock - it costs money to get players better than what we have, particularly strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Not being a critic of NA, but could it be that he doesn't like being outside of his comfort zone? I know Lee signing kind of ruins that idea, however we have been linked with nearly every half decent player NA has managed. Therefore most Prem clubs wouldn't pay such a fee as stated, but as Hooper and NA have worked together before then he is willing to pay over the odds to get him on board without taking a risk. (Might not make sense, and realise this debate could go round and round in circles) One of the main things I was concerned about when we signed up Adkins was that he was unproven in the Prem (as that was the stated goal), and I wondered how he'd be able to attract players of that standard when we got there. So far he's done brilliantly with the players he's got, but it hasn't exactly dispelled the concerns when our best signings have been two loan-to-buys and a bloke he already managed, and one of the biggest flops is also one of his "exes", as it were. Having said that, we're going to get linked with his ex-players whether he's interested in them or not, so I'm not taking that as any kind of indicator of his intent. The signing of Tadanari Lee at least shows we're prepared to strike outside the "former players" comfort zone, though it's obviously far too soon to judge that one ! As it happens I think £5m for Hooper is silly money and I doubt we'd pay it. From rumours in previous windows we seem to have at least 4 serious options for every position we're looking at, and some of them are completely unknown until we sign them. I doubt Maynard's completely off the radar as he's not signing a new contract... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 The only thing that worries me about Adkins judgement of player ability is he thought Forte was a good player. He's easily one of the worst 'professional' footballers I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Just silly money, Id rather have Sordell and maybe another defender for that price and Sordell has what we need...pace. 27 goals in 85 appearances, and only 4 assists. Not at all prolific. Potential, and a bit of pace, but I'd much rather have a goalscorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 It's a gamble, but every transfer is. I'm sure Chelsea fans were very happy with the signing of Torres but what a monumental failure he's been and he's a world class striker who has done it at the highest level. As someone else said, if Hooper carries on like he is at the moment, there will be plenty of interest (I believe there was some Premiership interest back in the summer!) later on, so we may as well take the gamble now before someone else does. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 The only thing that worries me about Adkins judgement of player ability is he thought Forte was a good player. He's easily one of the worst 'professional' footballers I've ever seen. Not sure he did tbf. Adkins didnt play him much at S****horpe. Maybe he just thought Forte was raw but had the pace we needed and could be developed. Obviously hasnt worked out but not sure we haver lost much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 The only thing that worries me about Adkins judgement of player ability is he thought Forte was a good player. He's easily one of the worst 'professional' footballers I've ever seen. TBF, I think he was just looking for pace at the time and his record at Scunny wasn't that appaling! Not sure why he was signed on a long term contract though. Even the most experienced and successful managers have some transfer bloopers from time to time.....just look at fergie and some of the "players" he's signed in the past! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Not sure he did tbf. Adkins didnt play him much at S****horpe. Maybe he just thought Forte was raw but had the pace we needed and could be developed. Obviously hasnt worked out but not sure we haver lost much. I've lost the will to live watching him trying to control a football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 I've lost the will to live watching him trying to control a football. Those 2 goals against MK Dons are now legendary. He can **** off now though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Not sure he did tbf. Adkins didnt play him much at S****horpe. Maybe he just thought Forte was raw but had the pace we needed and could be developed. Obviously hasnt worked out but not sure we haver lost much. We needed pace, he had it. Sh*te signing when weighing it up logically but his goals against the franchise totally outshine any negatives for me. He did his job, now move him on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 The book on Forte when he arrived was that he can be great if he thinks that people believe in him. If not, he's abysmal. Enough said, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 We needed pace, he had it. Sh*te signing when weighing it up logically but his goals against the franchise totally outshine any negatives for me. He did his job, now move him on. He was a desperation signing,we'd fussed and fannied our way through a whole January window with virtually nothing to show for it apart from Danny N'Guessan on loan and the wolf-pack were braying for new faces,just as they're doing now despite the fact that we've signed 2 players,so we got Jonno Quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 The only thing that worries me about Adkins judgement of player ability is he thought Forte was a good player. He's easily one of the worst 'professional' footballers I've ever seen. I am not sure how you have got this interesting information. It would be good if you could share it with us as I have never seen any statements of any sort from NA saying he thought Forte was a good player. Certainly he has hardly ever picked him here and he wasn't a regular at Scunny. I think he saw his pace as a potential asset and in league one he put in a couple of half decent shifts which was all we needed from him. And finally you have clearly led a very sheltered life and I suggest you try a few games in league two to get some perspective. Forte is not a great player but I went to Shrewsbury vs Northampton a couple of weeks ago. He would have been one of the best players on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 We needed pace, he had it. Sh*te signing when weighing it up logically but his goals against the franchise totally outshine any negatives for me. He did his job, now move him on. This. He got us 3 points against the franchise as I recall it. Plus, as Turkish pointed out, we could have always used him as a makeshift centre half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 I am not sure how you have got this interesting information. It would be good if you could share it with us as I have never seen any statements of any sort from NA saying he thought Forte was a good player. Certainly he has hardly ever picked him here and he wasn't a regular at Scunny. I think he saw his pace as a potential asset and in league one he put in a couple of half decent shifts which was all we needed from him. And finally you have clearly led a very sheltered life and I suggest you try a few games in league two to get some perspective. Forte is not a great player but I went to Shrewsbury vs Northampton a couple of weeks ago. He would have been one of the best players on the pitch. Adkins brought to him to the club, so one must assume he thought he was "good", why us would any manager sign a player. He's also made the bench and starting line up in cups ahead of many of our so called promising youngsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Not being a critic of NA, but could it be that he doesn't like being outside of his comfort zone? I know Lee signing kind of ruins that idea, however we have been linked with nearly every half decent player NA has managed. Therefore most Prem clubs wouldn't pay such a fee as stated, but as Hooper and NA have worked together before then he is willing to pay over the odds to get him on board without taking a risk. (Might not make sense, and realise this debate could go round and round in circles) This is fair point but there is more to it: NA might be prepared to pay more than some others might offer, not just because it is not a risk but because NA knows what makes Hooper tick, his family / upbringing, his attitude and his overall potential better than anyone (outside of Celtic), so he can judge the value better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Johno is what happens when you make signings on deadline day and roundly get told to f**k off when skimping on bids. TBF, he has put a few decent shifts and wasn't too bad at Brighton but I hope the lesson's been learned. (and its not as if we have the likes of DC or Oxo returning from injury like last year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 19 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Tweet from Gordon Simpson saying Neil Lennon has reiterated that no new bid has been made by Saints for Hooper. Wonder who Mehball saw this morning then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Tweet from Gordon Simpson saying Neil Lennon has reiterated that no new bid has been made by Saints for Hooper. Wonder who Mehball saw this morning then? He could well have seen Hooper, I go places, doesn't mean I'm going to work there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 @joshooiveld20: Got my HMV card for two years, started madly collecting points. Now found out the gifts they have are absolutely #shocking #dissapointed.. Make of that what you will... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 @joshooiveld20: Got my HMV card for two years, started madly collecting points. Now found out the gifts they have are absolutely #shocking #dissapointed.. Make of that what you will... What's to make out, you get a card (or one to use as a key fob) you buy stuff from HMV in store or online, you get points,you trade points for stuff which is apparently crap. Got one of those cards from every supermarket chain in France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 @joshooiveld20: Got my HMV card for two years, started madly collecting points. Now found out the gifts they have are absolutely #shocking #dissapointed.. Make of that what you will... Cost him 350,000 points just for a meal out in Glasgow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 joshooiveld20jos hooiveld @ @AGlasgowBoy cheers mate, let's wait this week and see what's happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Its like a game of mastermind lol!!!!!!!! and to think we have 12 more days of this ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben05 Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 @joshooiveld20: Got my HMV card for two years, started madly collecting points. Now found out the gifts they have are absolutely #shocking #dissapointed.. Make of that what you will... I think Jos is trying to tell us that Hooper is going to get a job in HMV in West Quay, to try and get him so better gifts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Tweet from Gordon Simpson saying Neil Lennon has reiterated that no new bid has been made by Saints for Hooper. Wonder who Mehball saw this morning then? "mehball" is a well known WUM on here, and he's not that great at it I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 The plot thickens.... @joshooiveld20: "@GeorgeRepard: @joshooiveld20 agree #HMV cards are useless. after buying a PS3 and games I could only afford an inflatable guitar! Terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 13 days to go, barely a signing made by anyone! I am as positive as you are negative, and I for am looking forward to your sudden disappearance on this site when it does happen! BTW of course you are entitled to your opinion, but Jeez, just once could you be positive, just once about a team you supposedly support that is top of the league! OK. 13 days to go , barely a signing made by anyone ! We might not sign Hooper or anyone else, but we are top of the league and we are going to be champions, no doubt about especially after beating Forest and Coventry. As for the whole of December, merely a blip ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 OK. 13 days to go , barely a signing made by anyone ! We might not sign Hooper or anyone else, but we are top of the league and we are going to be champions, no doubt about especially after beating Forest and Coventry. As for the whole of December, merely a blip ! Lets just agree to disagree, I am half full and enjoying season, you are half empty!! different sides of coin, hopefully same end result! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celticman Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 From a pretty good source, Hooper trained for Celtic today so the guy earlier was lying. Celtic want at least 10 million for Hooper so 8 million would be rejected. If we sell Hooper we want Rhodes and another striker to replace him but from what I have been sold there is very small chance we will sell Hooper in our current position. Regarding Jelavic from the other side of the city his agent is trying to find him a new club but can't find one willing to meet rangers asking price just now. I know this for a fact. To the people who laughed at my post about our players yesterday you show a lot of ignorance, we do have some very good players just now who could easily play in the epl, Hooper, Kayal, Wanyama, Ki, Ledley, Forrest and Izaguirre would improve a good amount of epl teams. We have no interest in the Charlton striker either, that was just a made up story, we are looking at a few German based strikers though, we need another striker who can hold up the ball and is good in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Celtic want at least 10 million for Hooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Jelavic is better than Hooper imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 From a pretty good source, Hooper trained for Celtic today so the guy earlier was lying. Celtic want at least 10 million for Hooper so 8 million would be rejected. If we sell Hooper we want Rhodes and another striker to replace him but from what I have been sold there is very small chance we will sell Hooper in our current position. Regarding Jelavic from the other side of the city his agent is trying to find him a new club but can't find one willing to meet rangers asking price just now. I know this for a fact. To the people who laughed at my post about our players yesterday you show a lot of ignorance, we do have some very good players just now who could easily play in the epl, Hooper, Kayal, Wanyama, Ki, Ledley, Forrest and Izaguirre would improve a good amount of epl teams. We have no interest in the Charlton striker either, that was just a made up story, we are looking at a few German based strikers though, we need another striker who can hold up the ball and is good in the air. You have super Samaras for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celticman Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Lol, I agree he isn't worth it but we are a well run club and we don't need to sell anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 From a pretty good source, Hooper trained for Celtic today so the guy earlier was lying. Celtic want at least 10 million for Hooper so 8 million would be rejected. If we sell Hooper we want Rhodes and another striker to replace him but from what I have been sold there is very small chance we will sell Hooper in our current position. Regarding Jelavic from the other side of the city his agent is trying to find him a new club but can't find one willing to meet rangers asking price just now. I know this for a fact. To the people who laughed at my post about our players yesterday you show a lot of ignorance, we do have some very good players just now who could easily play in the epl, Hooper, Kayal, Wanyama, Ki, Ledley, Forrest and Izaguirre would improve a good amount of epl teams. We have no interest in the Charlton striker either, that was just a made up story, we are looking at a few German based strikers though, we need another striker who can hold up the ball and is good in the air. Before people come to conclusions about how much, it's far more relevant how the deal is structured. A lot of teams bid and put a deposit down and pay the rest over three years. Cortese has been rumoured to have signed a cheque for single payment. Southampton's owners were worth over£3 billion when they bought us, the fourth richest owners in Britain, so if needed a lesser amount up front could well trump a big bid over three years. We might be a little club to Celtic but our owners are immensely rich and don't do debt. Our only debt is to the owners. No mortgage, overdraft etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 So from 35 to 10mill in just a few days - Celtic are getting softer ey ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 So from 35 to 10mill in just a few days - Celtic are getting softer ey ? What is the record signing for a Championship club? Matt Mills for Leicester at £5.5M? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Patrik, I think it is Celticman that mentioned 10 million. I'm still unsure that Celtic FC have said anything other than he is not for sale. ps, hope you and family are well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 This is getting a bit silly now. Celtic want unrealistically silly money for him and don't want to be seen to lose face. Hooper already says he wants to stay so they won't be able to use the line that he wanted to go. They aren't going to sell unless its 10M IMO and there is no way we are going to pay that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 I don't think any deal is going to be £8m straight up, or £10m straight up. It will come in installments and based upon certain clauses I'm sure. So celtic get so much for his first England cap, so much after he's scored so many goals etc. The sort of clauses that would coincide with us doing well and recouping the transfer fee anyway. Anyway I don't think we'd bid up to 10m either, around up to 7 is probably as far as I can see NC going on one player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 This is all a replay of what Paris Saint Germaine (PSG) are playing over here in France to attract good players, to show ambition and land a good manager, good players. We have a good manager, good players but all this Hooper story is showing one and all Saints mean business and are ready to spend to achieve their ambitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Hi Norm Everything is OK with us Swedes. Probably taking my oldest daughter to the Doncaster game - she turn 12 January 30th and all she wants for her birthday is a tripp to see Saints : ) I must have done something right here... Hope the same that everything is OK with you guys. Patrik, I think it is Celticman that mentioned 10 million. I'm still unsure that Celtic FC have said anything other than he is not for sale. ps, hope you and family are well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 This seems to be the game we played with Arsenal for Theo and AOC. If they want him, they'll have to pay our valuation price - if they don't pay it they don't get him. Same as Celtics view of Hooper. Give/Take Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celticman Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Kerrydale Street is a better forum than talk Celtic btw, I don't have an account on either though. For what it is worth, I don't think Hooper is a 10 million player but he is a very good finisher, his goal when we got beat 4 2 at Ibrox this season was one of the best finishes I have seen. AsI have said earlier financially we are in a very good position so I doubt we would sell especially when top of the league. Him and Stokes are very god partners for each other their link up play is great, I know noticed quite a few of people on here seem to look down on Stokes, incorrectly IMO he is also a very good player and him and Hooper suit each other to a tee. Thanks for allowing me on this forum it's very well run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Kerrydale Street is a better forum than talk Celtic btw, I don't have an account on either though. For what it is worth, I don't think Hooper is a 10 million player but he is a very good finisher, his goal when we got beat 4 2 at Ibrox this season was one of the best finishes I have seen. AsI have said earlier financially we are in a very good position so I doubt we would sell especially when top of the league. Him and Stokes are very god partners for each other their link up play is great, I know noticed quite a few of people on here seem to look down on Stokes, incorrectly IMO he is also a very good player and him and Hooper suit each other to a tee. Thanks for allowing me on this forum it's very well run. Thanks for your decent views - always nice to see good balanced oppo coming on here. FWIW I've always felt it would be an ask to get him in January, but all I can say is that we seem pretty keen and are putting alot of time and effort into it! Regarding Stokes...I think alot of us look down on him because of how poor he was at this level with Sunderland. He was tipped as a massive player for them when they got him for £2m or so, but he was pretty poor at this level to say the least. Sounds like he's greatly improved as a player now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Kerrydale Street is a better forum than talk Celtic btw, I don't have an account on either though. For what it is worth, I don't think Hooper is a 10 million player but he is a very good finisher, his goal when we got beat 4 2 at Ibrox this season was one of the best finishes I have seen. AsI have said earlier financially we are in a very good position so I doubt we would sell especially when top of the league. Him and Stokes are very god partners for each other their link up play is great, I know noticed quite a few of people on here seem to look down on Stokes, incorrectly IMO he is also a very good player and him and Hooper suit each other to a tee. Thanks for allowing me on this forum it's very well run. Nice assessment. I think I remember the finish you are talking about. Was it the one across goal and into the bottom corner, the ball just grabbing enough friction on the ground at the last second to make it in at the far post? It moved like a bowling ball, I remember being blown away by that goal at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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