S-Clarke Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 The same source as last week is saying that we are still going for it. Yep - that seems to be the case, and I'm bloody delighted! Let's hope something comes off though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrimd Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 If we put another bid in, we will get him imho. The subject must have come up last night, and Jos will be reporting back to NA as we speak. If another bid goes in, Hooper has told Jos he wants to come. If we dont, then he is truly happy where he is at the moment. Today will tell us all I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Just one other point on the cost of Hooper and why now. Finding ANY striker when you are a PL club is hard and they are always more expensive. I do not for one minute think that NA & his backroom staff want to buy Hooper & give him a contract until June - they believe he is the player for our first two or 3 years back in the PL. On that basis they are paying 6mil for an ENGLISH PL striker That is a bloody good deal Totally agree!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 If we put another bid in, we will get him imho. The subject must have come up last night, and Jos will be reporting back to NA as we speak. If another bid goes in, Hooper has told Jos he wants to come. If we dont, then he is truly happy where he is at the moment. Today will tell us all I reckon. I think the media is suggesting that the bid is already in ! And the deafening silence from Glasgow indicates that it is being considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 He's scored against Rangers and he's scored in Europe for them. Ah fair enough, makes him sound a little better then. Good european oppo's or average? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Ah fair enough, makes him sound a little better then. Good european oppo's or average? Pretty sure he scored a couple against udinese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 This plus the 'jaw dropping' signing MLT keeps alluding to , 'Rock me Amadeus' ,Jos and Lee will make a cracking transfer window and put us in good position niot just to go up but to have an impact on the PL as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Ah fair enough, makes him sound a little better then. Good european oppo's or average? Scored against Udinese who are 3rd in Seria A, 3 points off the top and Rennes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 For us to bid 3 times means we must have a hunch and/or know he wants to join. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Ah fair enough, makes him sound a little better then. Good european oppo's or average? 1 goal vs Udinese - Currently 3rd in Serie A 1 goal vs Braga - Currently 3rd in Portugal and that season they ended up runners up in the EUROPA League 1 goal vs Rennes - Currently 5th in the French top league Plus aged 21 he was the Championship's 3rd top scorer in his last season before he left for Celtic. In 2009/10 he scored 19 Championship goals for a struggling S****horpe side. Which is more than Andy Carroll scored for Championship winners Newcastle United...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoppysaint Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Does anyone think he looks a bit of a wide load ? Hopefully all muscle and power but looking on you tube most of his goals are tap ins so not sure he is the striker with pace that we maybe need. Of course Adkins knows him better than anyone so hopefully not a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Does anyone think he looks a bit of a wide load ? Hopefully all muscle and power but looking on you tube most of his goals are tap ins so not sure he is the striker with pace that we maybe need.. How do you think he was able to get in the position to be able to score those "tap ins"? Answer - A bit of pace and a great footballing brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 1 goal vs Udinese - Currently 3rd in Serie A 1 goal vs Braga - Currently 3rd in Portugal and that season they ended up runners up in the EUROPA League 1 goal vs Rennes - Currently 5th in the French top league Plus aged 21 he was the Championship's 3rd top scorer in his last season before he left for Celtic. In 2009/10 he scored 19 Championship goals for a struggling S****horpe side. Which is more than Andy Carroll scored for Championship winners Newcastle United...! Using Scouse logic then, he must actually be worth £35m. Lennon was right...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 How do you think he was able to get in the position to be able to score those "tap ins"? Answer - A bit of pace and a great footballing brain. Ruud Van Nistelrooy made quite a good career out of scoring 'tap-ins'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 and so the saga continues... http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/no-new-saints-bid-for-gary-hooper-1.1144144? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Ruud Van Nistelrooy made quite a good career out of scoring 'tap-ins'... So did Gary Lineker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stattmeister Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Using Scouse logic then, he must actually be worth £35m. Lennon was right...! I think this is where Lennonn's off the cuff quip came from using that logic... kind of makes sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Just one other point on the cost of Hooper and why now. Finding ANY striker when you are a PL club is hard and they are always more expensive. I do not for one minute think that NA & his backroom staff want to buy Hooper & give him a contract until June - they believe he is the player for our first two or 3 years back in the PL. On that basis they are paying 6mil for an ENGLISH PL striker That is a bloody good deal That is the way I see it too. Plus if you think about it getting to the PL means you get about £100m in tv money. In the big scheme of things that is a small gamble to take because as you mention if we were in the PL and wanted him the price would double. If we pay £6m for him then he would be the first proper transfer that is made with the PL in mind. Our previous deals have been with clubs lower in the championship or in league one. We can't do that anymore as anyone we now sign really has to be better then what we got. It has to be with a view to the next year or two in mind. So I got a feeling this has legs in it OR it could be a smokescreen being used to force another club to sell. If we have put in an offer for someone else and they are stalling or want more money it sends the message we have other targets and will go elsewhere. He would be a great signing for us I just hope we as a club realise that to get good players, especially from european competition playing teams you have to pay big bucks. You can't offer a club like Celtic £3m for their top striker. If they are serious which I hope they are they need to go in there and part with the £6m-£8m he would cost. If he continues his current form and we do get promoted we would be looking at possibly £15m or so. Which means as you say now is the best time to buy him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoppysaint Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 I asked someone I know who is a Celtic fan whether he might come and he says, "Na, plenty of reasons why he won't just now mate. He's happy up here and is enjoying his football, lets be honest, it's a piece of **** to look good and score goals up here. I reckon he'll want to experience the Champions League, or at least have an attempt at qualifying and probably the most im portant factor is that right now Celtic have no depth up top, if Hooper goes we're left with just Samaras and Stokes, Lennon would be off his head to sell just now. You may get him in the sumer but my instinct says he'll be here another year anyway. BTW, he's nowhere near good enough for the Premiership..........................." That last bit is not what I wanted to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 I wouldn't trust a thing that comes out of a Celtic fan's mouth, their player judgement sucks as we saw with Jos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armitage Shanks Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Personally, I would plump for Jordan Rhodes over Hooper. Most Scottish defences are rubbish and therefore his goal tally becomes slightly irrelevant. Whilst League 1 is not great, Rhodes's scoring record is not just good. It's phenomenal, especially this season. The only thing that makes me question what I say above is that Nigel knows Hooper better than anyone on here. His transfer record has been good. If he thinks Hooper is up to it then we have to trust him but it's a big gamble for Nigel as well as the club. If he joined and he was pony, then Nigel has some serious questions to answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Saint Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 23 pages of discussion so far - what a waste of everyone's time if we dont even sign him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Personally, I would plump for Jordan Rhodes over Hooper. Most Scottish defences are rubbish and therefore his goal tally becomes slightly irrelevant. Whilst League 1 is not great, Rhodes's scoring record is not just good. It's phenomenal, especially this season. The only thing that makes me question what I say above is that Nigel knows Hooper better than anyone on here. His transfer record has been good. If he thinks Hooper is up to it then we have to trust him but it's a big gamble for Nigel as well as the club. If he joined and he was pony, then Nigel has some serious questions to answer. Already proven in the Championship at the age of 21 for a struggling Scunny ! Championship 2009-2010 - Top ScorersPos. Player Goals Team 1 Peter Whittingham 22 Cardiff City 2 Nicky Maynard 20 Bristol City 3 Gary Hooper 19 S****horpe United 3 Michael Chopra 19 Cardiff City 5 Charlie Adam 18 Blackpool 6 Andy Carroll 17 Newcastle United 6 Kevin Nolan 17 Newcastle United 6 Rob Earnshaw 17 Nottingham Forest 9 Gylfi Sigurdsson 16 Reading 10 Billy Sharp 15 Doncaster Rovers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoppysaint Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Bit more from Celtic fan "I liked him at Scunny and was happy we signed him but he's the type of guy where he needs a run of 5 or 6 games to see the best of him as he tends to lose his sharpness so easily. As a result, if he gets injured you need to be patient with him and you get away with that up here. He knows where the goal is but he's not particularly quick, not great in the air and doesn't do a great deal outside the box. Just don't see him being much use in a team fighting for Premiership survival. He's pretty lazy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Personally, I would plump for Jordan Rhodes over Hooper. Most Scottish defences are rubbish and therefore his goal tally becomes slightly irrelevant. Whilst League 1 is not great, Rhodes's scoring record is not just good. It's phenomenal, especially this season. You are forgetting Hooper is already proven in the Championship, Rhodes isn't. Hooper aged 21 was the Championship's 3rd top scorer in 2009/10 whilst at a struggling S****horpe side. It was a great season in the Championship that got him his move to Celtic in the first place! Hooper also has goals in Europe against some good sides. That isn't to say Rhodes wouldn't be a good signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Just one other point on the cost of Hooper and why now. Finding ANY striker when you are a PL club is hard and they are always more expensive. I do not for one minute think that NA & his backroom staff want to buy Hooper & give him a contract until June - they believe he is the player for our first two or 3 years back in the PL. On that basis they are paying 6mil for an ENGLISH PL striker That is a bloody good deal Except he has never played in the PL so we're not paying for a PL striker he is no more a PL striker than Rickie Lambert is at the moment. We're paying for an unkown quantity as far as Hooper and the EPL is concerened I have no problem taking a punt on up coming players or good players from poor leagues (like the SPL) in fact I'd prefer it to shelling out of the odds for proven players. However if we can get the likes of Jack Cork, Lambert, and Chaplow for less the a million I can't see why we need to gamble 6 million on Hooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 (edited) However if we can get the likes of Jack Cork, Lambert, and Chaplow for less the a million I can't see why we need to gamble 6 million on Hooper. - Cork was struggling to get a look in at Chelsea. - Lambert was the star player for a small League One club. - Chaplow was out of favour at Preston who were in financial trouble and looking to reduce the wage bill. None of them were ever going to cost that much. Gary Hooper on the other hand is a proven Championship scorer and now is top scorer in an admittedly poor Scottish League but plays is a key player for Celtic. It is no surprise he would command a hefty fee, as would any other player with his background. Edited 18 January, 2012 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 I know it's ancient history but the lesson is just the same and shouldn't be disregarded, back in 1949 we were I think 9 points clear with about nine games left, then calamity, Charlie Wayman was injured. The goals dried up, we tried everything including playing England's right back Alf Ramsey at centre forward after Ted Bates and others couldn't fill the bill, we ended up missing out on promotion by a point. I was too young to remember it but for years until 1966 it was always said that Saints didn't want to be promoted. I don't want the lack of a proven striker to stymie us. I was watching the Celtic club program 'the huddle' on Premier Sport the presenters were really indignant and sarcastic that a big club like Southampton should have the effrontery to even think that Gary Hooper would leave Celtic for anyone but a top Premier club. They brought up the outscored Andy Carrol scenario so he must be worth as much. They have missed the point that he is English from the South and if the Celtic board accept our offer and the player wants to sign then the deal gets done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 They brought up the outscored Andy Carrol scenario so he must be worth as much. Maybe they should consider the fact that, having outscored Andy Carroll, Celtic 'only' paid £2.4m to sign Hooper.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Maybe they should consider the fact that, having outscored Andy Carroll, Celtic 'only' paid £2.4m to sign Hooper.... Quite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Except he has never played in the PL so we're not paying for a PL striker he is no more a PL striker than Rickie Lambert is at the moment. We're paying for an unkown quantity as far as Hooper and the EPL is concerened I have no problem taking a punt on up coming players or good players from poor leagues (like the SPL) in fact I'd prefer it to shelling out of the odds for proven players. However if we can get the likes of Jack Cork, Lambert, and Chaplow for less the a million I can't see why we need to gamble 6 million on Hooper. You are being pedantic. The bid is clearly being made on the basis that he is seen as having the potential to be a premier league striker otherwise why waste time on it. The pedants on here were also saying that Lambert wasn't a championship striker. Well he is now! Leon Best wasn't a premiership striker - well he is now.You buy a proven PL striker then you pay a lot of money. But a potential PL striker then you pay less. However, there is a risk and the key is in judging the magnitude of the risk. I am assuming our backroom team have carried out that risk assessment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Wait!! Something is happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Wait!! Something is happening Fact or hunch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 My sweater neighbour just stuck the boot into the bloke opposites corgi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 My sweater neighbour just stuck the boot into the bloke opposites corgi. Sweater neighbour...? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdnk0DGaN8E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Saint Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Wait!! Something is happening A highly ambiguous and essentially meaningless statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 A highly ambiguous and essentially meaningless statement Come on, its Dog, the guy is a nutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Saint Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Come on, its Dog, the guy is a nutter. I know, I was just trying to get this thread to 50 pages before Hooper signs/doesn't sign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Can't be far from Tanadari's now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenSaint Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Bit more from Celtic fan "I liked him at Scunny and was happy we signed him but he's the type of guy where he needs a run of 5 or 6 games to see the best of him as he tends to lose his sharpness so easily. As a result, if he gets injured you need to be patient with him and you get away with that up here. He knows where the goal is but he's not particularly quick, not great in the air and doesn't do a great deal outside the box. Just don't see him being much use in a team fighting for Premiership survival. He's pretty lazy" Well that sums it up for me, £6m saved. He only looks good as he's playing against other players who would struggle in league 1 or 2, he's like the Top Trump in that league but in the premier he'll be that card everyone gets ****ed off in having. If he was that good, one of the top premier clubs would be after him. Scott McDonald did well up there but he doesn't really light up the championship, Heskey did very well when at leicester but has done nothing since and is pretty much a laughing stock nowadays, why? cause when he was at leicester he was their main man so everything came to him so he had more chances and the law of averages meant he scored a lot more probably the same as Hooper at scunny, more chances equals more goals. hooper isnt worth £6m quid if we are aiming for the premier. Yes he could very well be a good premiership player, no-one knows but the word lazy and footballer shouldn't be in the sentence unless he's MLT but im sure he isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Well that sums it up for me, £6m saved. He only looks good as he's playing against other players who would struggle in league 1 or 2, he's like the Top Trump in that league but in the premier he'll be that card everyone gets ****ed off in having. If he was that good, one of the top premier clubs would be after him. Scott McDonald did well up there but he doesn't really light up the championship, Heskey did very well when at leicester but has done nothing since and is pretty much a laughing stock nowadays, why? cause when he was at leicester he was their main man so everything came to him so he had more chances and the law of averages meant he scored a lot more probably the same as Hooper at scunny, more chances equals more goals. hooper isnt worth £6m quid if we are aiming for the premier. Yes he could very well be a good premiership player, no-one knows but the word lazy and footballer shouldn't be in the sentence unless he's MLT but im sure he isn't. Hooper is class, and Prem teams have been looking at him. Whenever Ive seen him his work rate has been top notch and he is a great finisher. Pop over to a Celtic Forum and see what they think of him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Well that sums it up for me, £6m saved. He only looks good as he's playing against other players who would struggle in league 1 or 2, he's like the Top Trump in that league but in the premier he'll be that card everyone gets ****ed off in having. If he was that good, one of the top premier clubs would be after him. Scott McDonald did well up there but he doesn't really light up the championship, Heskey did very well when at leicester but has done nothing since and is pretty much a laughing stock nowadays, why? cause when he was at leicester he was their main man so everything came to him so he had more chances and the law of averages meant he scored a lot more probably the same as Hooper at scunny, more chances equals more goals. hooper isnt worth £6m quid if we are aiming for the premier. Yes he could very well be a good premiership player, no-one knows but the word lazy and footballer shouldn't be in the sentence unless he's MLT but im sure he isn't. Brilliant. So we, a Championship team, should only be trying to sign players that one of the top Premier League teams want to sign?? Would you like to have a guess what the drawback to that idea is? Are you seriously going to take the word of one person, whom you don't know from Adam, and decide that a footballer is not worth signing? Words fail me. Why don't you have a look at some Celtic fans' opinions of him, there are some on this very thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Well that sums it up for me, £6m saved. He only looks good as he's playing against other players who would struggle in league 1 or 2, he's like the Top Trump in that league but in the premier he'll be that card everyone gets ****ed off in having. If he was that good, one of the top premier clubs would be after him. Scott McDonald did well up there but he doesn't really light up the championship, Heskey did very well when at leicester but has done nothing since and is pretty much a laughing stock nowadays, why? cause when he was at leicester he was their main man so everything came to him so he had more chances and the law of averages meant he scored a lot more probably the same as Hooper at scunny, more chances equals more goals. hooper isnt worth £6m quid if we are aiming for the premier. Yes he could very well be a good premiership player, no-one knows but the word lazy and footballer shouldn't be in the sentence unless he's MLT but im sure he isn't. Don't agree with any of that. You seem to be forgetting that he was also very prolific at this level before he went to Celtic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lillyflo Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11787/7440913/Stokes-wants-Hooper-to-stay Now Stokes is out saying he wants Hoops to stay, there seems to be too much publicised reassurance to the celtic fans imo, makes me think that we are still in with a shout here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11787/7440913/Stokes-wants-Hooper-to-stay Now Stokes is out saying he wants Hoops to stay, there seems to be too much publicised reassurance to the celtic fans imo, makes me think that we are still in with a shout here. No smoke without fire, it looks like there is a doubt that he will stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11787/7440913/Stokes-wants-Hooper-to-stay Now Stokes is out saying he wants Hoops to stay, there seems to be too much publicised reassurance to the celtic fans imo, makes me think that we are still in with a shout here. That is probably the most encouraging thing I have read for days, smacks of desparation now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11787/7440913/Stokes-wants-Hooper-to-stay Now Stokes is out saying he wants Hoops to stay, there seems to be too much publicised reassurance to the celtic fans imo, makes me think that we are still in with a shout here. Looks like something is a foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 I would just love it if we were the club to give the Gers a helping hand in winning the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 They seem worried all of a sudden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 You are being pedantic. The bid is clearly being made on the basis that he is seen as having the potential to be a premier league striker otherwise why waste time on it. The pedants on here were also saying that Lambert wasn't a championship striker. Well he is now! Leon Best wasn't a premiership striker - well he is now.You buy a proven PL striker then you pay a lot of money. But a potential PL striker then you pay less. However, there is a risk and the key is in judging the magnitude of the risk. I am assuming our backroom team have carried out that risk assessment Nothing pedantic about it we are not paying 6 million for a PL striker that is a fact (doesn't mean he couldn't be). Lambert wasn't a champ striker until this season (I had faith he could make the step up) but at 800K he wasn't a massive finicial gamble. 6 million is a lot of money for no track record in the PL we're not Liecester. We've done very well packing our team with well brought players (even free agents) at good prices it's a policy I would be happy for the club to continue. People seem to assume big money automatically means great player it doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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