thornhill_saints Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Long way to go for dinner... A farewell Dinner???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Read into this what you will jos hooiveld @joshooiveld20 5m FavoritedFavorite · Close Open Details Lovely dinner yesterday with the lads @joe16led @hoop588 @DominicCervi and @ThomasRogne25 at Mimmos, that man can cook! #stuffed http://www.mimmos-restaurant.co.uk/Mimmos/Mimmos.html Quick, someone give them a bell and offer a few quid to the waiter to spill the beans.... Mimmo’s Ristorante Italiano 235 St. Andrews Drive Glasgow G41 1PD 0141 429 4657 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 joe16ledJoe ledley@ @joshooiveld20 @hoop588 @dominiccervi @thomasrogne25 same here guys still stuffed. Jos have a safe flight back. See you soon 4 minutes ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stattmeister Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 http://www.mimmos-restaurant.co.uk/Mimmos/Mimmos.html Quick, someone give them a bell and offer a few quid to the waiter to spill the beans.... Mimmo’s Ristorante Italiano 235 St. Andrews Drive Glasgow G41 1PD 0141 429 4657 They serve beans there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 No sh/t. Every single player at every single club is available for the right price. That is simplistic, of course offering stupid money would buy any player but we are still haggling over value to both sides not offering silly money. If the Lennon silly money £35m was adhered to then we would take that as a **** off. The fact that we are still haggling means we are thereabouts and Celtic are taking our bids seriously and the player is interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 By the way, to continue to the discussion about the quality of Scottish football... Mark McGhee, who was managing Aberdeen, the third biggest club up there, is now managing Bristol Rovers, near relegation in League Two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 By the way, to continue to the discussion about the quality of Scottish football... Mark McGhee, who was managing Aberdeen, the third biggest club up there, is now managing Bristol Rovers, near relegation in League Two. I heard a Scottish version of talksport where three hosts were bemoaning the sate of scottish football and saying Aberdeen's star striker wanted to go to Bristol because the standard of footie was higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 joe16ledJoe ledley@ @joshooiveld20 @hoop588 @dominiccervi @thomasrogne25 same here guys still stuffed. Jos have a safe flight back. See you soon 4 minutes ago "See you soon" Read into that what you will. Quick someone get onto the Talkceltic site and tell em we're about to sign Ledley!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 I don't know what to think about all this. Part of me thinks that it's all agent talk and they are now just pushing for a new contract for him. The other part thinks theres no smoke without fire and we wouldn't continue our interest if we had no chance. The Jos and Adkins factor may play a vital role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Read into this what you will jos hooiveld @joshooiveld20 5m FavoritedFavorite · Close Open Details Lovely dinner yesterday with the lads @joe16led @hoop588 @DominicCervi and @ThomasRogne25 at Mimmos, that man can cook! #stuffed I bet he had the club's permission to fly to Glasgow, so we are in contact with Hooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Maybe Jos delivered the 6m transfer fee in a brown envelope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Maybe Jos delivered the 6m transfer fee in a brown envelope? Or the horses head! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Part of me thinks that it's all agent talk and they are now just pushing for a new contract for him. This and also with the rubbish in The Sun about Rhodes when Hudders have already turned down Wham and stated he is not for sale. If he is only on 12k his agent can see this as an opportunity for a payrise. Agents are the leaches of football and the game would be far better off with wage caps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Maybe Jos delivered the 6m transfer fee in a brown envelope? Are Spurs interested in him as well then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 If he is only on 12k his agent can see this as an opportunity for a payrise. Agents are the leaches of football and the game would be far better off with wage caps. Unless he talks Hooper into coming to Saints of course.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Agents are the leaches of football God yes!! I long for the day when these cants are out of the game. Jumped up car salesmen only thinking about themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 They serve beans there? Borlotti. (Beans, not new transfer target.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 People saying that ''it's not true, we don't publicise our bids''. We don't, it's not us doing this. Celtic are for whatever reason - and it all points towards them showing their hands and accepting that he's for sale, at the right price. The agent will also be working to circulate this information which is why it's appearing within tabloids and online etc. Celtic probably know he's keen to move, and to be honest I doubt we'd be this interested if he hadn't been sounded out. So celtic are trying to maneuver themselves into the strongest possible position, which equates to them possibly making this as public as possible so it creates a bidding war. That's my take on it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Borlotti. (Beans, not new transfer target.) Maybe we should merge this thread with the Pompey Takeover Saga thread.....then we'd have beens on toast..... boom, tish.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 People saying that ''it's not true, we don't publicise our bids''. We don't, it's not us doing this. Celtic are for whatever reason - and it all points towards them showing their hands and accepting that he's for sale, at the right price. The agent will also be working to circulate this information which is why it's appearing within tabloids and online etc. Celtic probably know he's keen to move, and to be honest I doubt we'd be this interested if he hadn't been sounded out. So celtic are trying to maneuver themselves into the strongest possible position, which equates to them possibly making this as public as possible so it creates a bidding war. That's my take on it anyway. Sounds highly plausible to me. And, of course, publishing a 'company line' article, attributed to the player, saying that he's "happy and not going anywhere" can only help maximise the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Be hilarious if hooiveld convinced hopper to join. Celtic fans dont exactly like him too much already ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 (edited) Sounds highly plausible to me. And, of course, publishing a 'company line' article, attributed to the player, saying that he's "happy and not going anywhere" can only help maximise the price. Well exactly, how many times have you seen a selling club publish an article like that, only for the said player to be sold the next week. Personally I agree with what others have said on this, we wouldn't be wasting our time on a third huge bid if he hadn't been sounded out. It can be classed as tapping up I guess, but it happens everywhere. If he wasn't that keen I'm sure his agent would have let us know and we'd have stopped at Bid 1. The agent is involved from the moment a bid goes in. He's in a win win really - his agent either sorts him out a new deal at Celtic, or he sorts out his contract with us. This now has serious legs based on the articles this morning. Edited 18 January, 2012 by S-Clarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 People saying that ''it's not true, we don't publicise our bids''. We don't, it's not us doing this. Celtic are for whatever reason - and it all points towards them showing their hands and accepting that he's for sale, at the right price. The agent will also be working to circulate this information which is why it's appearing within tabloids and online etc. Celtic probably know he's keen to move, and to be honest I doubt we'd be this interested if he hadn't been sounded out. So celtic are trying to maneuver themselves into the strongest possible position, which equates to them possibly making this as public as possible so it creates a bidding war. That's my take on it anyway. My take on it as well and would explain the "leaks" We probably started off with a derisory low offer to test the water, the second bid was the first real one, and then the noises where basically everyone has let each other know the boundaries of what they would do to make the deal work. I think we've let them know this is our take it or leave it bid as we will now go after someone else. Down to the Celtic Board, not Lennon But let's face it, 6mil including Puncheon for Hooper & Ledley is still a good deal:) He isn't for Sale. Put your price up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Got funny feeling we will get Hooper. Other one surely a 'look, we might spend it elsewhere, you know, Jocks' trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 This and also with the rubbish in The Sun about Rhodes when Hudders have already turned down Wham and stated he is not for sale. If he is only on 12k his agent can see this as an opportunity for a payrise. Agents are the leaches of football and the game would be far better off with wage caps. Bet you wished you had an agent to get you some decent money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23rdSaint Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 This. Or maybe NC has just finished our VAT return and he's realised we've got loadsa facking money and it's time to start throwing it around... Also, 'K. Billy' is that really you King Billy? You're brave showing your face on this Celtic love-in thread. Haven't we just had a load of money put into our account from the Liebherrs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Haven't we just had a load of money put into our account from the Liebherrs? Where'd you hear that....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Haven't we just had a load of money put into our account from the Liebherrs? You make it sound as if they've just given us our pocket money for the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23rdSaint Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Where'd you hear that....? I saw someone put it on Twitter the other day, but I'm guessing it's just BS. Wondered if anyone else had heard the same...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 This and also with the rubbish in The Sun about Rhodes when Hudders have already turned down Wham and stated he is not for sale. If he is only on 12k his agent can see this as an opportunity for a payrise. Agents are the leaches of football and the game would be far better off with wage caps. Yes, and I agree about agents, but it doesn't sound as if Celtic pay anyone the sort of wages we do our top players. They may be a massive club, with big crowds, but in a tinpot league, so their income still won't be vast in comparison with English league clubs' TV money. (They appear to be living within their means... a novel concept in football.) So if you were the Celtic board (as opposed to still-novice manager Lennon) would you rather pay Hooper more than your wage cap, and then have half the rest of your team demanding similar rises, or make the best of it and take £6 milion for him and buy another striker on smaller wages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 CranesToday Liebherr announced the expansion of its African mobile harbour crane business, as it celebrated receiving an ord... http://bit.ly/xdbny7 2 minutes ago Make of that what you will... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Haven't we just had a load of money put into our account from the Liebherrs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickfire Double Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 CranesToday Liebherr announced the expansion of its African mobile harbour crane business, as it celebrated receiving an ord... http://bit.ly/xdbny7 2 minutes ago Make of that what you will... We've re-signed Martin Cranie and Stephen Crainey?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 CranesToday Liebherr announced the expansion of its African mobile harbour crane business, as it celebrated receiving an ord... http://bit.ly/xdbny7 2 minutes ago Make of that what you will... I'd imagine as that is Markus' brother and sister's company, it has little to do with Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Not sure we should get too carried away with this. The only proof we have that further bids have been tabled are through the media (the same ones we rubbish when they report bids for saints players). As for Hooper being interested - we alledgedly went through the same thing with Rodriguez and he turned us down so I'm not getting my hopes up. I hope you're all right but can't help thinking that it's all a bit premature. My predicition is that we'll all be frantically pressing F5 throughout the last day of the transfer window and hoping we get that big striker signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Not sure we should get too carried away with this. The only proof we have that further bids have been tabled are through the media (the same ones we rubbish when they report bids for saints players). As for Hooper being interested - we alledgedly went through the same thing with Rodriguez and he turned us down so I'm not getting my hopes up. I hope you're all right but can't help thinking that it's all a bit premature. My predicition is that we'll all be frantically pressing F5 throughout the last day of the transfer window and hoping we get that big striker signing. Of course we will be doing that anyway lol!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Yes, and I agree about agents, but it doesn't sound as if Celtic pay anyone the sort of wages we do our top players. They may be a massive club, with big crowds, but in a tinpot league, so their income still won't be vast in comparison with English league clubs' TV money. (They appear to be living within their means... a novel concept in football.) So if you were the Celtic board (as opposed to still-novice manager Lennon) would you rather pay Hooper more than your wage cap, and then have half the rest of your team demanding similar rises, or make the best of it and take £6 milion for him and buy another striker on smaller wages? This is my take on it all. Celtic know Hooper wants to go. He knows he can get at least as good a wedge down south and anyway he'll be noticed and could progress further. So they know they'll have to let him go. Now 6 million is a baragin and a half for them. Finding a striker to score goals up there isn't going to be that difficult either so they are in a no lose situation in this ridiculously inflated January market. Equally if one club will pay this sort of silly money lets see if we can squeeze more out by making public that we are very happy to sell but are looking for even more than the money alreday offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 (edited) I'd imagine as that is Markus' brother and sister's company, it has little to do with Saints. Who are the trustees of Markus' estate in that case? No direct link, granted, but one family all the same. A bit like CSI and Pompey I guess....no fiscal connection whatsoever.... (P.s. my post from 'Cranes Today' was slightly tongue-in-cheek... ;-) ) Edited 18 January, 2012 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 My predicition is that we'll all be frantically pressing F5 throughout the last day of the transfer window and hoping we get that big striker signing. Not me. Happy with what we have at the moment - all the same players who fired us to top of the league, and now supplemented by two promising attacking youngsters. Hooper now would be nice, but we can wait till the summer for a prem quality signing if necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Not me. Happy with what we have at the moment - all the same players who fired us to top of the league, and now supplemented by two promising attacking youngsters. Hooper now would be nice, but we can wait till the summer for a prem quality signing if necessary. No we can't. A bad injury to Lambert and we're screwed. A proven goalscorer is an absolute must in this transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Just a thought but while we seem to be trying very hard to get Hooper in, I wonder how many goals he has scored againts Rangers? Surely that would be the best bench mark this season as the other games goals were against oposition that would struggle in our league 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 That is simplistic, of course offering stupid money would buy any player but we are still haggling over value to both sides not offering silly money. If the Lennon silly money £35m was adhered to then we would take that as a **** off. The fact that we are still haggling means we are thereabouts and Celtic are taking our bids seriously and the player is interested. Of course the player is interested. Total disrespect to Septic and Scottish football and all that, the SPL is comparable to League 1, so it'd be a step up for him and a challenge. I think it's hilarious how deluded our ginger cousins are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 No we can't. A bad injury to Lambert and we're screwed. A proven goalscorer is an absolute must in this transfer window. Precisely. We are in a great position and it's crucial that we push on now and it is strength in depth that will be the difference between success and failure in the run in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Just a thought but while we seem to be trying very hard to get Hooper in, I wonder how many goals he has scored againts Rangers? Surely that would be the best bench mark this season as the other games goals were against oposition that would struggle in our league 1? He's scored against Rangers and he's scored in Europe for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 (edited) Yeah I know thats the fashionable mantra at the moment, but not true imo - and even if it were true its highly unlikely to happen. Lamberts been injured and/or out of form before and we got promoted from Lg1 and reached top of the championship. Guly has more open play goals than Lambert, Connolly is excellent, Lallana and Chaplow chip in with some, we've signed an international quality forward and at a pinch we've got Ward-Prowse. Should be enough to get us through 20 games. Edited 18 January, 2012 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Yeah I know thats the fashionable mantra at the moment, but not true imo. We should send this advice to Alex Ferguson as he's clearly got it wrong all these years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Yeah I know thats the fashionable mantra at the moment, but not true imo - and even if it were true its highly unlikely to happen. Lamberts been injured and/or out of form before and we got promoted from Lg1 and reached top of the championship. Guly has more open play goals than Lambert, Connolly is excellent, Lallana and Chaplow chip in with some and at a pinch we've got Ward-Prowse. Should be enough to get us through 20 games. Lambert has been pretty much an ever present for the last 3 years. Having him out of the team is a massive blow and we're all of a sudden much weaker. Chappers is still injured and let's not forget that he's been out for a couple of months almost, so will take some time to get back into the groove.....not sure W-P is quite ready for top championship football yet. We need more fire power up top if we're serious, and it looks like we're pulling all the stops out to ensure that. As dune said - this is a great opportunity for us. No season is ever the same, so even if we fail this year and spend lots of money in the summer....we may not be at this stage with 50 points. It's a great tally at this stage and I think we need to throw everything at it to ensure we finish the job. I'd be gutted if we don't make it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Yeah I know thats the fashionable mantra at the moment, but not true imo - and even if it were true its highly unlikely to happen. Lamberts been injured and/or out of form before and we got promoted from Lg1 and reached top of the championship. Guly has more open play goals than Lambert, Connolly is excellent, Lallana and Chaplow chip in with some and at a pinch we've got Ward-Prowse. Should be enough to get us through 20 games. Sorry but that's rubbish. It's clear over the last couple of months we've struggled with no Chaplow and an out of form Lallana. We were atrocious at Doncaster without Lambert and we failed to even have a shot on target. At Brighton we went to pieces without a proper striker once Lambert was sent off. Any games we get out of Connolly is a bonus but we can't rely on him being fully fit the whole season and Guly whilst he has scored more goals than I thought he would, he still can't be our main striker and 'lead the line'. He scored at Forest but all round he was pretty poor, didn't hold the ball up, didn't run at the defence and gave the ball away quite a bit. I can't stress enough how important a PROVEN goalscorer is if we're serious about automatic promotion. NA can see that, hence why we've been after every half decent striker in this league and beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Lambert has been pretty much an ever present for the last 3 years. Having him out of the team is a massive blow and we're all of a sudden much weaker. Chappers is still injured and let's not forget that he's been out for a couple of months almost, so will take some time to get back into the groove.....not sure W-P is quite ready for top championship football yet We need more fire power up top if we're serious, and it looks like we're pulling all the stops out to ensure that. As dune said - this is a great opportunity for us. No season is ever the same, so even if we fail this year and spend lots of money in the summer....we may not be at this stage with 50 points. It's a great tally at this stage and I think we need to throw everything at it to ensure we finish the job. I'd be gutted if we don't make it now. The same source as last week is saying that we are still going for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Just one other point on the cost of Hooper and why now. Finding ANY striker when you are a PL club is hard and they are always more expensive. I do not for one minute think that NA & his backroom staff want to buy Hooper & give him a contract until June - they believe he is the player for our first two or 3 years back in the PL. On that basis they are paying 6mil for an ENGLISH PL striker That is a bloody good deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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