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alki_in_korea

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u lot have no chance of getting hooper.He is at a world renowned club and you are nothing more than a team that drops in and out of the premiership at best.As for celtic being slated ,i would just urge you to remember that our reject defender is a star player for you.

 

We have only droped out the top division once in the last 30 something years thank you very much.;)

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Saint_John

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I think this is his agent

http://www.sjdentmgt.com/Gary-Hooper/Our-Clients/

and here are some of his quotes

During his first season with the club, 2010-2011, he had the best strike ratio of any player in Britain of 0.77 goals per game, with 20 goals in 26 games, which was the fourth best strike ratio in the whole of Europe behind, Barcelona's Lionel Messi, Real Madrid's Cristiano Ronaldo and Udinese's Antonio Di Natale.

 

Hooper currently has a total of 37 goals in 61 appearances for the Scottish giants with continued interest from English Premier League clubs.

 

Having recently stated his desire to play for the Great Britain and Northern Ireland Olympic football team at the London 2012 Olympics, we will be doing all we can to help Gary achieve this.

 

IMO "big him up"; "put him in the press" => new pay deal; 2012 Olympics;

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buctootim

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Really ?

 

Both the player and his manager are now on the record now saying it's not going to happen, so I think we can put this one to bed - until the summer anyway.

 

The Scottish Daily Record are still saying we will come back in with a third and final bid of £6m because we have been given some encouragement. Whether that is true or not remains to be seen.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/01/17/southampton-increase-gary-hooper-bid-to-6m-but-celtic-striker-insists-i-m-going-nowhere-86908-23703567/

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Really ?

 

Both the player and his manager are now on the record now saying it's not going to happen, so I think we can put this one to bed - until the summer anyway.

 

Might be guilty of pap-maths here, but you don't get a new agent if you're not planning on a pay-rise. Given the noise surrounding Hooper, and the overtures about wanting a new contract (going back a month) I find it amazing that Celtic actually put off contract talks until the end of the year.

 

Little timeline here:

 

Dec 17 - Hooper states he'd like an improved contract

Jan 15 - Hooper states he's happy at Celtic

Jan 16 - Lennon announces that new contract talks have been put on hold

Jan 17 - News reports surface about Hooper wanting new contract to be on parity with top earners.

 

Ultimately, I think it'll depend on whether Hooper is happy with waiting for a new deal. Problem for Celtic is that it doesn't look like he is.

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Window Cleaner

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Might be guilty of pap-maths here, but you don't get a new agent if you're not planning on a pay-rise. Given the noise surrounding Hooper, and the overtures about wanting a new contract (going back a month) I find it amazing that Celtic actually put off contract talks until the end of the year.

 

Little timeline here:

 

Dec 17 - Hooper states he'd like an improved contract

Jan 15 - Hooper states he's happy at Celtic

Jan 16 - Lennon announces that new contract talks have been put on hold

Jan 17 - News reports surface about Hooper wanting new contract to be on parity with top earners.

 

Ultimately, I think it'll depend on whether Hooper is happy with waiting for a new deal. Problem for Celtic is that it doesn't look like he is.

 

I don't much care anyway, don't think we need him in the immediate future so if he's just trying to screw more money out of Celtic that's OK with me.

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Matthew Le God

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JamesNursey James Nursey

Not buying G Hooper's claims he's 'v happy' at #Celtic. Great club but his old Scunny boss Adkins wouldn't keep bidding if he wasn't keen

 

This is the mirror journalist!

 

I agree with Mr Nursey, Adkins having been Hooper's boss for two years must have a good idea that Hooper would be interested if a price between clubs could be agreed or he wouldn't waste his time. Yes "tapping up" isn't allowed, but it is impossible to police especially if those involved already know each other well.

 

If a club forces a player to give an interview to the OS when no bid has been accepted, then the statement Hooper made is exactly what you would expect. They aren't going to release a statement saying he wants to talk to Saints before any fee has been agreed. That would weaken their negotiation position.

 

That will no doubt irk some Celtic fans that are reading this forum!

 

But do they honestly think a manger that already knows a player very well wouldn't find out directly/indirectly through 3rd parties if that player was interested before spending time and effort pursuing him?

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Saint Charlie

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I agree with Mr Nursey, Adkins having been Hooper's boss for two years must have a good idea that Hooper would be interested if a price between clubs could be agreed or he wouldn't waste his time. Yes "tapping up" isn't allowed, but it is impossible to police especially if those involved already know each other well.

 

If a club forces a player to give an interview to the OS when no bid has been accepted, then the statement Hooper made is exactly what you would expect. They aren't going to release a statement saying he wants to talk to Saints before any fee has been agreed.

 

This. The key to a deal is exactly what price Celtic would sell for and what price we will pay. 7m would surely do it but will we go that high?

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Got a feeling lee might be the only striker we bring in.

Lambert nearly always plays the full 90

So if we signed hooper ud have hooper lee guly connely all fighting to start alongside rickie.

It could really demoralise the likes of guly whos been doing well, and lee

 

Disagree. We need new attacking options. A big reason that Lambert is on for the full 90 is that we don't really have anyone who can come in and do the job. Who do we have on the bench right now that is better than Lambert?

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saintjay77

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Based on what? Certainly goes against what Adkins has said.

 

To be fair, what Adkins has said and what actually happens might not be the same thing. Im sure he is trying to get Hooper or even using Hooper as a smoke screen to try and get someone else. But if we are trying to take a teams best goal scorer and someone who will not only help us in promotion but also do well in the prem, then there is a very high chance it wont happen.

 

I am happy that we seem to be always aiming one step ahead of where we are trying to go but prepared to be disapointed as our hopes may not always come off.

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St_Tel49

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Hooper is clearly a decent striker, but is he £6m worth of decent striker? If we do go in for him at that price - or more- then we will just have to trust to the fact that Adkins knows him well enough to think that he will make a decent premiership striker. Lets face it, Reading took a couple of players from the League of Ireland - which makes the SPL look like La Ligue (spelling?) - and they didn't do so badly. If he doesn't spend that money then he must have some doubts. Either way, I'll trust his judgement.

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Disagree. We need new attacking options. A big reason that Lambert is on for the full 90 is that we don't really have anyone who can come in and do the job. Who do we have on the bench right now that is better than Lambert?

 

I'd think it a bit strange to have players on the bench who were better than the starting XI unless they were coming back from injury or something. I thought Connoly and Guly did fine against Forest. I'm not a great fan of Barnard but we also have the new Japenese guy too and I'd've thought that would be enough cover for 20 odd games.

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How the fck would we have someone better than Lambert, and if we did, why the fck would they be on the bench?!

 

Using that logic, Rooney would never be on the bench either. Different teams sometimes call for a different starting line-up.

 

Your point is well made in general tho'. More the exception than the rule.

 

The point I was inexpertly trying to make is that every player needs competition.

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If we are thinking of signing players not better than those we have already, what's the point. Surely we are building for the Premiership and not immediate relegation. Sitting on the bench is a learning curve and enables a player to prepare to maximise coming into play

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hypochondriac

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It was a pretty conclusive statement from him though. Why would he come out and say that when he doesnt have to? He could have just said nothing. If he wanted to leave, i dont see why he would come out and say he's looking forward to the rest of the season with Celtic.

 

Exactly. Because his statement was so conclusive, if he leaves now he will look like an idiot. He won't be coming here, at least not in this window. We move on.

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Exactly. Because his statement was so conclusive, if he leaves now he will look like an idiot. He won't be coming here, at least not in this window. We move on.

 

Because you cannot see the question behind the answer, I am not sure how conclusive it is. If he was asked "Are you happy at Celtic, do you want to leave?", he gave the right answer.

 

Until a price has been agreed between the clubs whether he is happy or not is irrelevant. If we fail to agree a price then he's come out of it well. If we do agree a price, he's been sold rather than selling himself.

 

I don't think we'll agree a price though - I just don't think you can read too much into one context-less comment.

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Some of the things our fans have came out with have been nonsense tbh. I could understand why Hooper would go to you's with the chance to play in the prem etc. But I doubt we would sell one of our main goal threats when top of the league and going for a treble. We aren't in any financial problems and we don't need to sell players either. Some of our fans need to realise certain offers are too good to refuse but I doubt we would accept 6 million. I see a few have mentioned Hooper is our best player, that would be incorrect, we have players who are more important and better in Kayal, izaguirre, Forrest, Wanyama and ledley. He is a very good finisher so is Stokes who you must remember was only young whilst playing in the prem. Also seen a few mention what players would get into our team with the highest respect the only ones I think that would are fonte, llana and lambert. We are a much better side than 2 years ago with some very good players including a Korean player of the year who Aston Villa want but couldn't afford who is guaranteed a start. You's are a good team of that I have no doubt however I do feel we are better.

 

 

Best of luck for the rest of the season.

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Some of the things our fans have came out with have been nonsense tbh. I could understand why Hooper would go to you's with the chance to play in the prem etc. But I doubt we would sell one of our main goal threats when top of the league and going for a treble. We aren't in any financial problems and we don't need to sell players either. Some of our fans need to realise certain offers are too good to refuse but I doubt we would accept 6 million. I see a few have mentioned Hooper is our best player, that would be incorrect, we have players who are more important and better in Kayal, izaguirre, Forrest, Wanyama and ledley. He is a very good finisher so is Stokes who you must remember was only young whilst playing in the prem. Also seen a few mention what players would get into our team with the highest respect the only ones I think that would are fonte, llana and lambert. We are a much better side than 2 years ago with some very good players including a Korean player of the year who Aston Villa want but couldn't afford who is guaranteed a start. You's are a good team of that I have no doubt however I do feel we are better.

 

 

 

 

Best of luck for the rest of the season.

 

Fair play, well argued.

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Matthew Le God

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Scottish Premier League vs English Championship

 

Average attendances 2011/12

 

Celtic 50k

Rangers 45k

West Ham 29k

Southampton 26k

Derby 25k

Leeds 23k

Leicester 23k

Cardiff 22k

Nottingham Forest 22k

Hull 18k

Brighton 18k

Reading 18k

Birmingham 18k

Ipswich 18k

Middlesbrough 18k

Crystal Palace 15k

Coventry 14k

Portsmouth 14k

Burnley 14k

Bristol City 13k

Hearts 13k

Watford 12k

Blackpool 12k

Millwall 11k

Barnsley 10k

Doncaster 9k

Peterborough 9k

Hibs 9k

Aberdeen 9k

Dundee United 7k

Motherwell 5k

Kilmarnock 5k

Dunfermline 5k

St Mirren 4k

Inverness 4k

St. Johnstone 3k

 

I could take it further and look lower down the English Football League...

 

- There are 5 clubs in League One and 1 club in League Two with higher attendances than the 4th biggest Scottish club Hibs.

- There are 4 clubs in League One with higher attendances than the 3rd biggest Scottish club Hearts.

 

Should Southampton return to the top flight it will see a return to the 30,000+ averages in a 32,000 stadium they had in all four Premier League seasons at St Mary's. The chairman also wants to increase the stadium to 45k+. Taking it close to Celtic's average. Not so "small little English team Southampton" as Celtic fans like to make out!

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saintjay77

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Some of the things our fans have came out with have been nonsense tbh. I could understand why Hooper would go to you's with the chance to play in the prem etc. But I doubt we would sell one of our main goal threats when top of the league and going for a treble. We aren't in any financial problems and we don't need to sell players either. Some of our fans need to realise certain offers are too good to refuse but I doubt we would accept 6 million. I see a few have mentioned Hooper is our best player, that would be incorrect, we have players who are more important and better in Kayal, izaguirre, Forrest, Wanyama and ledley. He is a very good finisher so is Stokes who you must remember was only young whilst playing in the prem. Also seen a few mention what players would get into our team with the highest respect the only ones I think that would are fonte, llana and lambert. We are a much better side than 2 years ago with some very good players including a Korean player of the year who Aston Villa want but couldn't afford who is guaranteed a start. You's are a good team of that I have no doubt however I do feel we are better.

 

 

Best of luck for the rest of the season.

 

Good points. I'd say on a head to head game between us both now I would expect Celtic to come out on top more often than not but I agree with what others have said and think Celtic would be a mid table championship team if they were to play down here. Mainly because the standard week in week out would be tougher than in the SPL, it would take a few seasons IMO for the likes of Celtic and rangers to make their quality count the most and challenge for promotion.

 

Obviously we are at the top at the moment but I think most of us expected mid table with a late push for top 6 so I'm basing this all on expectations rather than boasting about where we sit and so on.

 

I can't see us bidding £6m for hooper normally but guess Adkins knows him so it is possible. More so I can't see Celtic taking that either unless hooper refuses to play or something daft so its prob not going to happen.

 

Thanks for the ballenced view though and good luck with the rest of the season.

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For those, like me, who have had a nervous eye trained on Pardew - especially since Lee signed and the Hooper rumour gathered steam, I've just received this update from a Newcastle-supporting mate:

 

"By the way, I think you can 'almost' be assured that Rickie Lambert is staying put. The Magpies have agreed a £10million fee for a striker... Pa**** Demba Cisse, big on scoring, a national team mate of Demba Ba and is looking to transfer from SC Frieburg in the Bundesliga. It's pretty well just a matter of his signing for us."

 

EDIT: The "Pa****" is because his name is actually "Pap*ss", which offends the swear filter and will invite all sorts of comments.

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For those, like me, who have had a nervous eye trained on Pardew - especially since Lee signed and the Hooper rumour gathered steam, I've just received this update from a Newcastle-supporting mate:

 

"By the way, I think you can 'almost' be assured that Rickie Lambert is staying put. The Magpies have agreed a £10million fee for a striker... Pa**** Demba Cisse, big on scoring, a national team mate of Demba Ba and is looking to transfer from SC Frieburg in the Bundesliga. It's pretty well just a matter of his signing for us."

 

I don't see many clubs coming in for Rickie to be honest, they won't pay the fee we'd want for him at his age and lack of top flight experience.

 

We've got him at the right time and I just feel he's the sort of player that will retire here.

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Scottish Premier League vs English Championship

 

Average attendances 2011/12

 

Celtic 50k

Rangers 45k

West Ham 29k

Southampton 26k

Derby 25k

Leeds 23k

Leicester 23k

Cardiff 22k

Nottingham Forest 22k

Hull 18k

Brighton 18k

Reading 18k

Birmingham 18k

Ipswich 18k

Middlesbrough 18k

Crystal Palace 15k

Coventry 14k

Portsmouth 14k

Burnley 14k

Bristol City 13k

Hearts 13k

Watford 12k

Blackpool 12k

Millwall 11k

Barnsley 10k

Doncaster 9k

Peterborough 9k

Hibs 9k

Aberdeen 9k

Dundee United 7k

Motherwell 5k

Kilmarnock 5k

Dunfermline 5k

St Mirren 4k

Inverness 4k

St. Johnstone 3k

 

I could take it further and look lower down the English Football League...

 

- There are 5 clubs in League One and 1 club in League Two with higher attendances than the 4th biggest Scottish club Hibs.

- There are 4 clubs in League One with higher attendances than the 3rd biggest Scottish club Hearts.

 

Should Southampton return to the top flight it will see a return to the 30,000+ averages in a 32,000 stadium they had in all four Premier League seasons at St Mary's. The chairman also wants to increase the stadium to 45k+. Taking it close to Celtic's average. Not so "small little English team Southampton" as Celtic fans like to make out!

 

Good work and I think it proves this. Celtic are a much bigger team than Saints due to their support and their tradition, but nowadays play in an inferior league and, while they continue to do so, they will slowly and inexorably decline.

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Hello again on the attendance averages just to point out in we were in the championship/ premiership it would be 60,000 but trying to get that amount to watch Inverness really is impossible if your team isn't full with Larsson, sutton, petrov etc. To the person above me saying we will slowly inexorably decline i sadly have to agree if you look at our team the year we got to the final and ended up getting beat undesirably by next seasons champions league winners Porto. Since then we have been downsizing massively hiring Gordon Strachan to spend little and win the league still then a rookie manager in Lennon i fear for what comes next although to Lennons credit he has put together a strong team for what he had to spend.

 

Anyway back on topic in that Hooper wants pay rise article there's not one quote regarding a contract terrible article tbh.

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As for the Celtic in Europe point...

 

Middlesbrough (2006) and Fulham (2010) both equalled Celtic (2003) in getting to a European final. Neither Fulham or Middlesbrough are bigger than Saints. No reason Saints couldn't match that achievement at some point in the future.

 

Well said Sir!

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Matthew Le God

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Hello again on the attendance averages just to point out in we were in the championship/ premiership it would be 60,000 but trying to get that amount to watch Inverness really is impossible.

 

That is completely irrelevant as Gary Hooper will never play for a Celtic side in domestic competition year after year against Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal etc nor even against Leeds, West Ham, Leicester, Nottingham Forest etc. If he moved to Southampton he would be able to do so, whilst remaining in Scotland he pits his wits against St Johnstone, St Mirren. Inverness etc in front of 5,000 people and have no chance of an England call up.

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i reckon we're softening celtic up for spurs to sign him (they need a striker) - in return they've picked up the young fella from juve and given him to us, who we will sign in the summer when we go into the prem.

 

or this could be ******, I've had a long day

Great conspiracy theory though I like it......

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That is completely irrelevant as Gary Hooper will never play for a Celtic side in domestic competition year after year against Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal etc nor even against Leeds, West Ham, Leicester, Nottingham Forest etc. If he moved to Southampton he would be able to do so, whilst remaining in Scotland he pits his wits against St Johnstone, St Mirren. Inverness etc in front of 5,000 people and have no chance of an England call up.

It was in reply to something someone said above not a point about Hooper. I have mentioned that in my other posts that's the main reason I could see him moving to get a call up for England as Sutton shows doesn't matter if you are better than everyone or most of their strikers they wont pick you.

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