Appy Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 champions league or championship lol,by the way good luck messing up promotion How is the champions league treating you this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Jazzbo Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 u lot have no chance of getting hooper.He is at a world renowned club and you are nothing more than a team that drops in and out of the premiership at best.As for celtic being slated ,i would just urge you to remember that our reject defender is a star player for you. Actually we've only dropped out of the premiership once. As far as Celtic (and Rangers) being world renowed, that has nothing to do with football and real success, its more to do with patriotic/religious allegiance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 u lot have no chance of getting hooper.He is at a world renowned club and you are nothing more than a team that drops in and out of the premiership at best.As for celtic being slated ,i would just urge you to remember that our reject defender is a star player for you. Our last stay in the top League lasted 27 years, hardly dropping in and out is it ? Now if we had a League with 6 teams in it then fair enough........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Why the hell are people even responding to this moron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Jazzbo Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 champions league or championship lol,by the way good luck messing up promotion Getting into the Europa league due to an administrative error of the part of your opponents is probably your greatest european footballing acheivement for quite some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Why the hell are people even responding to this moron? Especially as he's used up his 3 posts and can't reply any further today anyway. I think he should pay his £5 and wind us up properly;Even BHA and MackRill pay their subs, mind you they support proper clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Especially as he's used up his 3 posts and can't reply any further today anyway. I think he should pay his £5 and wind us up properly;Even BHA and MackRill pay their subs, mind you they support proper clubs. Five poonds!!? You can buy a house up there for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Look how we all panicked when Rickie picked up a 3 match ban - too much rests on his availability for us to expect/hope for automatic promotion. We did panic a bit, but 2 wins out of 3 so far and if we win again on Monday NC will be like "look Nigel, we do not needa spenda de money!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Going back to the discussion on Transfer fees. You really cant compare fees, they are not just set on the players quality. Fees depend on how much the buying club wants the player and how important that player is to his current club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Not much of a distinction though is it really. A player with no quality is not likely to be much wanted by either party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Sad to say Scotland are finished as a football nation. Celtic was a fabulous club with fabulous home grown players in the sixties. The Scottish Leagues are a joke. The three divisions outside the SPL are no better than Conference South/Southern League in terms of grounds and support to put it in perspective. The SPL is made up of poor teams topped off every year by the Old Firm who top the league by an embarrassing margin. Any Scot that comes on here to dish it out needs to look at the real problem, mediocre foreign players still too good for the SPL but nowhere good enough for EUFA competition. Celtic would give away Parkhead to be where we are today, with a great chance of getting into the Premier League. Rangers and Celtic would ditch the SPL without a second thought if they thought they could play in the Championship with a chance of the PL and the money that goes with it, £90m to the bottom club relegated. If Hooper wants to stay at Celtic, fine, but nobody will ever convince me he/his agent haven't indicated a willingness to move, otherwise we and Celtic wouldn't have been talking. It's a bit like the old story about £1 or £1m offer to a girl who has said what do you think I am. It's all about the money. Having said that I think we should move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 champions league or championship lol,by the way good luck messing up promotion Champions League qualification is easy when you only have one effective opponent most of the time, with the rest making up the numbers, as is unfortunately the case in the SPL. Last non-Celtic/non-Rangers Scottish Champion was Aberdeen in '85. During the same period, no less than seven teams have been English Champions and seven different runners-up. We have seen dynasties rise, fall or not quite get there (think Newcastle). With the rise of Manchester City this year, it's possible we'll see an eighth team become champion since 1985. Celtic and Rangers are victims of their own success. They've swept the rest of Scottish football aside, and in doing so, have made the SPL into what many believe to be a dull procession. Let's face it - if Celtic were in the EPL, any Championship club would be laughed out of town for making a bid for Hooper. Yet, poring over the relevant media reports, the only people who think this bid is audacious are the people on the Celtic board. Hmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Not much of a distinction though is it really. A player with no quality is not likely to be much wanted by either party. Take Lambert for instance. Fans would say we probably want £10m for him but nobody would pay THAT much for him. The higher the fee a club asks for the more important the player is to his club. Van Der Vaart went to Spurs for just £8m because he was not that important to Real Madrid. Matt Mills was an important part of Readings team so Leicester had to pay over the odds to get him. As we all know he is not a £5m player on talent. Another good example is Andy Carroll. Important player for Newcastle, Liverpool were desperate and wanted him that much they paid £35m. He is not a £35m player based on talent. I think I've proved my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 This is interesting. No contract for Hooper until the summer. NEIL LENNON has revealed the contract talks Celtic planned to hold with Gary Hooper have been re-scheduled for the summer. And the Parkhead boss is confident the in-demand striker will still be here then, despite Southampton considering increasing their £4million offer for the 23-year-old hitman. That improved second bid from the Championship leaders was rejected by Celtic last week, and Lennon remains confident he can hold on to the club’s top scorer. Back on, boys/bhoys? Linkage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhonkers Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 This is interesting. No contract for Hooper until the summer. Back on, boys/bhoys? Linkage I'd be surprised if Hooper was at Celtic next season. Whether or not we win the league, I'd expect him to go back to England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 I'd be surprised if Hooper was at Celtic next season. Whether or not we win the league, I'd expect him to go back to England. Didn't this guy just get a new agent? As things stand, Hooper isn't moving clubs and isn't getting a new contract. Agent can't be too happy about that, I'd imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 I'm not surprised. I didn't think he'd move in January. I was surprised by our apparent intent on making it happen though Frustrating though because although it was a nice ambitious attempt, nothing actually materialized again. Same as Jay Rod, Sharp etc. I don't want this to be another frustrating window in our hunt for a striker.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhoy67 Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Sad to say Scotland are finished as a football nation. Celtic was a fabulous club with fabulous home grown players in the sixties. The Scottish Leagues are a joke. The three divisions outside the SPL are no better than Conference South/Southern League in terms of grounds and support to put it in perspective. The SPL is made up of poor teams topped off every year by the Old Firm who top the league by an embarrassing margin. Any Scot that comes on here to dish it out needs to look at the real problem, mediocre foreign players still too good for the SPL but nowhere good enough for EUFA competition. Celtic would give away Parkhead to be where we are today, with a great chance of getting into the Premier League. Rangers and Celtic would ditch the SPL without a second thought if they thought they could play in the Championship with a chance of the PL and the money that goes with it, £90m to the bottom club relegated. If Hooper wants to stay at Celtic, fine, but nobody will ever convince me he/his agent haven't indicated a willingness to move, otherwise we and Celtic wouldn't have been talking. It's a bit like the old story about £1 or £1m offer to a girl who has said what do you think I am. It's all about the money. Having said that I think we should move on. Been reading this thread with interest the past couple of days, first off ignore hooper88 any Celtic fan could see the attraction going to Southampton would have first off the wages are better ( yes seriously) Hooper will be on 10-15 grand max. Secondly he's English he will want to make a shout for the England team for the World Cup and there's no better place than the Premiership, Chris Sutton showed you can score goals all you want up here but its not going to get you an England cap. The last point is he will want to work with his old manager of course. But I think some on here struggle to see why some Celtic fans think he shouldn't want to go to Southampton obviously we have the bigger club argument but that's been said to death on here so I won't go into that. Most Celtic fans feel that if he does leave he should go to someone better than Southampton i.e established Premiership club like say Newcastle(i know they just got promoted but still safer than Wigan etc.) Also the fact that it is in January we haven't won the league for 3 years we don't have back up for him as it would only leave us with two out and out strikers. Putting all this together i would be very surprised if Southampton signed Hooper just because its in January come back in summer with 7m and we will bite your hand off imo. One last point to make on Hooper i don't watch Saints so i don't know what formation or style of football you play but Hooper needs someone to play off close by someone to play a quick one two off to get him playing his best. If you get him your buying a poacher with lighting acceleration and good close control. Also remember he has also scored goals in Europe i.e Udeinse away this season so i think 7m is justified in the current transfer market. (to who ever said Southampton get watched more than Celtic as the championship is televised more places defiantly haven't done there research biggest club in north america.) Good luck for the rest of the season lads and hope you's get Promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhonkers Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Tell you what. £6 million + Rickie Lambert and it's a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Nice to see there are some Celtic fans capable of a bit of conversation. A lightening quick poacher is exactly what we need. As for 6m + Rickie, nah. We'll let you have a guy who is a premier league goalscoring winger instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 but Hooper needs someone to play off close by someone to play a quick one two off to get him playing his best. If you get him your buying a poacher with lighting acceleration and good close control. . Sounded like the perfect combo with Lambert, nevermind he isnt coming anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Been reading this thread with interest the past couple of days, first off ignore hooper88 any Celtic fan could see the attraction going to Southampton would have first off the wages are better ( yes seriously) Hooper will be on 10-15 grand max. Secondly he's English he will want to make a shout for the England team for the World Cup and there's no better place than the Premiership, Chris Sutton showed you can score goals all you want up here but its not going to get you an England cap. The last point is he will want to work with his old manager of course. But I think some on here struggle to see why some Celtic fans think he shouldn't want to go to Southampton obviously we have the bigger club argument but that's been said to death on here so I won't go into that. Most Celtic fans feel that if he does leave he should go to someone better than Southampton i.e established Premiership club like say Newcastle(i know they just got promoted but still safer than Wigan etc.) Also the fact that it is in January we haven't won the league for 3 years we don't have back up for him as it would only leave us with two out and out strikers. Putting all this together i would be very surprised if Southampton signed Hooper just because its in January come back in summer with 7m and we will bite your hand off imo. One last point to make on Hooper i don't watch Saints so i don't know what formation or style of football you play but Hooper needs someone to play off close by someone to play a quick one two off to get him playing his best. If you get him your buying a poacher with lighting acceleration and good close control. Also remember he has also scored goals in Europe i.e Udeinse away this season so i think 7m is justified in the current transfer market. (to who ever said Southampton get watched more than Celtic as the championship is televised more places defiantly haven't done there research biggest club in north america.) Good luck for the rest of the season lads and hope you's get Promoted. Thanks for a fairly reasoned and balanced post ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 LOL at Hooper88 what a deluded troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Nice to see there are some Celtic fans capable of a bit of conversation. A lightening quick poacher is exactly what we need. As for 6m + Rickie, nah. We'll let you have a guy who is a premier league goalscoring winger instead. Some might be, but others .....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-16576067 4 grown men beating up a 16 year old lad on a train Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Hooper needs someone to play off close by someone to play a quick one two off to get him playing his best. If you get him your buying a poacher with lighting acceleration and good close control. Sounds like the perfect partner for our Rickie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Take Lambert for instance. Fans would say we probably want £10m for him but nobody would pay THAT much for him. The higher the fee a club asks for the more important the player is to his club. Van Der Vaart went to Spurs for just £8m because he was not that important to Real Madrid. Matt Mills was an important part of Readings team so Leicester had to pay over the odds to get him. As we all know he is not a £5m player on talent. Another good example is Andy Carroll. Important player for Newcastle, Liverpool were desperate and wanted him that much they paid £35m. He is not a £35m player based on talent. I think I've proved my point. Oh aye it does happen, but I'd say 99 times out of a hundred when a selling club's valuation exceeds the players quality the buying club simply moves on. I'd imagine that's what'll happen here, as NA is not nearly as mental as King Kenny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 champions league or championship lol,by the way good luck messing up promotion How does it feel to only be the 2nd most successful side in a tinpot league...? 54 and counting, do keep up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 LOL at Hooper88 what a deluded troll. Looool nicely played Mr. Dalek! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Been reading this thread with interest the past couple of days, first off ignore hooper88 any Celtic fan could see the attraction going to Southampton would have first off the wages are better ( yes seriously) Hooper will be on 10-15 grand max. Secondly he's English he will want to make a shout for the England team for the World Cup and there's no better place than the Premiership, Chris Sutton showed you can score goals all you want up here but its not going to get you an England cap. The last point is he will want to work with his old manager of course. But I think some on here struggle to see why some Celtic fans think he shouldn't want to go to Southampton obviously we have the bigger club argument but that's been said to death on here so I won't go into that. Most Celtic fans feel that if he does leave he should go to someone better than Southampton i.e established Premiership club like say Newcastle(i know they just got promoted but still safer than Wigan etc.) Also the fact that it is in January we haven't won the league for 3 years we don't have back up for him as it would only leave us with two out and out strikers. Putting all this together i would be very surprised if Southampton signed Hooper just because its in January come back in summer with 7m and we will bite your hand off imo. One last point to make on Hooper i don't watch Saints so i don't know what formation or style of football you play but Hooper needs someone to play off close by someone to play a quick one two off to get him playing his best. If you get him your buying a poacher with lighting acceleration and good close control. Also remember he has also scored goals in Europe i.e Udeinse away this season so i think 7m is justified in the current transfer market. (to who ever said Southampton get watched more than Celtic as the championship is televised more places defiantly haven't done there research biggest club in north america.) Good luck for the rest of the season lads and hope you's get Promoted. Good post, agree. All small countries have the same problem of not having the population to support and competive league. Personally I'd like to see the British premier league. 20 clubs - Celtic, Rangers, a rejuventated Cardiff plus Belfast could support a successful club. Would make away games more fun too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Been reading this thread with interest the past couple of days, first off ignore hooper88 any Celtic fan could see the attraction going to Southampton would have first off the wages are better ( yes seriously) Hooper will be on 10-15 grand max. Secondly he's English he will want to make a shout for the England team for the World Cup and there's no better place than the Premiership, Chris Sutton showed you can score goals all you want up here but its not going to get you an England cap. The last point is he will want to work with his old manager of course. But I think some on here struggle to see why some Celtic fans think he shouldn't want to go to Southampton obviously we have the bigger club argument but that's been said to death on here so I won't go into that. Most Celtic fans feel that if he does leave he should go to someone better than Southampton i.e established Premiership club like say Newcastle(i know they just got promoted but still safer than Wigan etc.) Also the fact that it is in January we haven't won the league for 3 years we don't have back up for him as it would only leave us with two out and out strikers. Putting all this together i would be very surprised if Southampton signed Hooper just because its in January come back in summer with 7m and we will bite your hand off imo. One last point to make on Hooper i don't watch Saints so i don't know what formation or style of football you play but Hooper needs someone to play off close by someone to play a quick one two off to get him playing his best. If you get him your buying a poacher with lighting acceleration and good close control. Also remember he has also scored goals in Europe i.e Udeinse away this season so i think 7m is justified in the current transfer market. (to who ever said Southampton get watched more than Celtic as the championship is televised more places defiantly haven't done there research biggest club in north america.) Good luck for the rest of the season lads and hope you's get Promoted. That is exactly what we need. He would be a perfect partner for Lambert, IMO. Don't suppose you need a winger do you...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Been reading this thread with interest the past couple of days, first off ignore hooper88 any Celtic fan could see the attraction going to Southampton would have first off the wages are better ( yes seriously) Hooper will be on 10-15 grand max. Secondly he's English he will want to make a shout for the England team for the World Cup and there's no better place than the Premiership, Chris Sutton showed you can score goals all you want up here but its not going to get you an England cap. The last point is he will want to work with his old manager of course. But I think some on here struggle to see why some Celtic fans think he shouldn't want to go to Southampton obviously we have the bigger club argument but that's been said to death on here so I won't go into that. Most Celtic fans feel that if he does leave he should go to someone better than Southampton i.e established Premiership club like say Newcastle(i know they just got promoted but still safer than Wigan etc.) Also the fact that it is in January we haven't won the league for 3 years we don't have back up for him as it would only leave us with two out and out strikers. Putting all this together i would be very surprised if Southampton signed Hooper just because its in January come back in summer with 7m and we will bite your hand off imo. One last point to make on Hooper i don't watch Saints so i don't know what formation or style of football you play but Hooper needs someone to play off close by someone to play a quick one two off to get him playing his best. If you get him your buying a poacher with lighting acceleration and good close control. Also remember he has also scored goals in Europe i.e Udeinse away this season so i think 7m is justified in the current transfer market. (to who ever said Southampton get watched more than Celtic as the championship is televised more places defiantly haven't done there research biggest club in north america.) Good luck for the rest of the season lads and hope you's get Promoted. I've always followed Celtic, it's the Irish roots, nice to hear from a real supporter. Best of luck with or without Hooper. It may be that you have to sell to buy. Maybe missed by many, our owners are the fourth richest in England including PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Good post, agree. All small countries have the same problem of not having the population to support and competive league. Personally I'd like to see the British premier league. 20 clubs - Celtic, Rangers, a rejuventated Cardiff plus Belfast could support a successful club. Would make away games more fun too. Over a lot of dead bodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 If the player doesn't want to play for us (see BBC report with quotes from the player) then we should move on. Desire has to be there, which is why Lukas J was a good option. Too late now, though, only £1.3M was what it took for Boro to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Bhoy67,it is a real pleasure,to have a fan from another club on this message board,who knows what he is talking about. It is normal to get Portsmouth or Brighton fans on here,spouting total bile and vitriol. People like yourself are welcome on here,any time. For the record,if we go up,we have great ambitions,but your club for all its massive history,will always be bigger than ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Been reading this thread with interest the past couple of days, first off ignore hooper88 any Celtic fan could see the attraction going to Southampton would have first off the wages are better ( yes seriously) Hooper will be on 10-15 grand max. Secondly he's English he will want to make a shout for the England team for the World Cup and there's no better place than the Premiership, Chris Sutton showed you can score goals all you want up here but its not going to get you an England cap. The last point is he will want to work with his old manager of course. But I think some on here struggle to see why some Celtic fans think he shouldn't want to go to Southampton obviously we have the bigger club argument but that's been said to death on here so I won't go into that. Most Celtic fans feel that if he does leave he should go to someone better than Southampton i.e established Premiership club like say Newcastle(i know they just got promoted but still safer than Wigan etc.) Also the fact that it is in January we haven't won the league for 3 years we don't have back up for him as it would only leave us with two out and out strikers. Putting all this together i would be very surprised if Southampton signed Hooper just because its in January come back in summer with 7m and we will bite your hand off imo. One last point to make on Hooper i don't watch Saints so i don't know what formation or style of football you play but Hooper needs someone to play off close by someone to play a quick one two off to get him playing his best. If you get him your buying a poacher with lighting acceleration and good close control. Also remember he has also scored goals in Europe i.e Udeinse away this season so i think 7m is justified in the current transfer market. (to who ever said Southampton get watched more than Celtic as the championship is televised more places defiantly haven't done there research biggest club in north america.) Good luck for the rest of the season lads and hope you's get Promoted. Careful everyone, he's trying to draw you into a sensible discussion based on the facts and merits of the actual situation. Don't let him drag you to his level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 LOL at Hooper88 what a deluded troll. Good one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 champions league or championship lol,by the way good luck messing up promotion P*ss off you complete helmet. To sensible Celtic fans; I've read that Celtic are struggling financially, but haven't seen any news evidence to back that up, what is the true state of affairs? I know there isn't the sponsorship or TV money that the Premiership has, is that the reason for the (possible) assumption? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhoy67 Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Bhoy67,it is a real pleasure,to have a fan from another club on this message board,who knows what he is talking about. It is normal to get Portsmouth or Brighton fans on here,spouting total bile and vitriol. People like yourself are welcome on here,any time. For the record,if we go up,we have great ambitions,but your club for all its massive history,will always be bigger than ours. Cheers! Also earlier on in the thread there was talk about Commons as well he is a great player but don't think he has it in him to stay committed at a club for example he was a star last season after we bought him in January for peanuts but all these stories coming out about him arguing with the back room staff etc. i think it would be a bad move to go for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhoy67 Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Sorry for double post didn't see an edit button? On the financial situation we are in minimal if even any debt and could spend but since the debt we got into in the O'Neil days our chairman and Peter Lawwel seem to be only concentrating on 0 debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Sorry for double post didn't see an edit button? On the financial situation we are in minimal if even any debt and could spend but since the debt we got into in the O'Neil days our chairman and Peter Lawwel seem to be only concentrating on 0 debt. Not sure if it's already been covered in here....but you seem a pretty fair poster, what was your opinion of Jos when he was up there? I don't think he ever got a fair crack of the whip? At this level he looks utter class, and could easily player higher IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Sorry for double post didn't see an edit button? On the financial situation we are in minimal if even any debt and could spend but since the debt we got into in the O'Neil days our chairman and Peter Lawwel seem to be only concentrating on 0 debt. Way to go. Rangers are in a bit of a mess now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 :lol: Why not?? Makes a nice change to read some well thought out posts. Yes I know you are talking with tongue in cheek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 I've always followed Celtic, it's the Irish roots, nice to hear from a real supporter. Why don't you follow an Irish side then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Take Lambert for instance. Fans would say we probably want £10m for him but nobody would pay THAT much for him. The higher the fee a club asks for the more important the player is to his club. Van Der Vaart went to Spurs for just £8m because he was not that important to Real Madrid. Matt Mills was an important part of Readings team so Leicester had to pay over the odds to get him. As we all know he is not a £5m player on talent.o Another good example is Andy Carroll. Important player for Newcastle, Liverpool were desperate and wanted him that much they paid £35m. He is not a £35m player based on talent. I think I've proved my point. Think some people have taken my posts literally so i'll try again. I'm not really saying that hooper would need to be 14 times better than lee, just that hooper doesn't fit with our transfer policy so far. We appear to be searching for value (cork and Guly are good examples) and going after Celtics star player does not look like good value, not denying his talent just that I think nc and na would probably find better value elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Are penalties not goals? Kinda missed the point there. You'd expect any forward at this level to score the vast majority of their penalties, but to score from open play is a good measure of the value of a forward player. It's not the only measure, but given the rubbish aimed at Guly and the love for Lambert, somebody who didn't know better would expect a bigger difference. They both deserve a lot of respect, IMO, even thought Lamberts all-round game is clearly better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stattmeister Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Kind of related - not worthy of a whole new thread, but not sure where else to put it. I'm not suggesting we're in for Fran, but it was the agents comments regarding having "maybe 10/20 players on a list and crossing 19 off" and the little insight it gives us to what goes on behind the scenes... I know we already know there are lots of irons in the fire but I thought it was interesting to hear from that side of the fence. Even with Hooper, Sharp, Rodriguez, Sordell, Lukas I guess we're still a long way from options 19 and 20! http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16577875.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 Kind of related - not worthy of a whole new thread, but not sure where else to put it. I'm not suggesting we're in for Fran, but it was the agents comments regarding having "maybe 10/20 players on a list and crossing 19 off" and the little insight it gives us to what goes on behind the scenes... I know we already know there are lots of irons in the fire but I thought it was interesting to hear from that side of the fence. Even with Hooper, Sharp, Rodriguez, Sordell, Lukas I guess we're still a long way from options 19 and 20! http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16577875.stm True - we probably do have a huge list of targets. Fran is an odd one though, this is a guy who couldn't get in the team of L1 brighton, yet is currently on the list for Rangers as a potential addition.....if that tells you anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 16 January, 2012 Share Posted 16 January, 2012 I'm not really saying that hooper would need to be 14 times better than lee, just that hooper doesn't fit with our transfer policy so far. We appear to be searching for value (cork and Guly are good examples) and going after Celtics star player does not look like good value, not denying his talent just that I think nc and na would probably find better value elsewhere. The underlined words may be the key ones. It could be that we were searching for value in order to be competitive in the Championship and hopefully to get out of it - the "value" being important because most of those players would probably have to be replaced if we were to secure promotion. Now that promotion is looking much more likely, a different strategy might be in play - we're willing to spend more to acquire players who are capable of playing in the PL. The underlying implication is that there may be two different budgets - one to get out of the Championship, and another one to get established in the Premier League. We might be getting our first sniff at what the second budget might be like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 And as I speculated a few days ago, here it is: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/296086/Gary-Hooper-wants-new-deal-to-match-big-earners? The Englishman yesterday claimed he is happy at Celtic but Express Sport can reveal that he has recently switched agents and is frustrated that despite his first season heroics he hasn’t been rewarded with a new contract like Beram Kayal, Emilio Izaguirre and Charlie Mulgrew. Silly for Lennon to talk about that £35m asking price, even if it was a joke, as the player now wants to be paid more (also a consequence of recently changing agents, as I also said). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 17 January, 2012 Share Posted 17 January, 2012 And as I speculated a few days ago, here it is: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/296086/Gary-Hooper-wants-new-deal-to-match-big-earners? Silly for Lennon to talk about that £35m asking price, even if it was a joke, as the player now wants to be paid more (also a consequence of recently changing agents, as I also said). I don't think the Hooper saga is over. Not saying we'll get him, but I'd imagine his agent wants a pay-day this window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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