A question for the mods about this main board

[Guided Missile]

Who else read this thread and thought of this?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shk8HawnCTs

[Minty]

Just skimmed this thread and the match reaction thread which clearly prompted it.

 

Not got much to add really however:

 

1 - As much as I agree with much that has been written in response, it is a clear fact that if people simply ignored alps, or anyone they felt wasn't actually contributing anything constructive, then that would improve things far more than the poster concerned changing/not posting.

 

2 - The 'It's not what you say but how you say it' line fits best overall, but also to have discussion about anything needs people with different opinions to actually want to listen to a different opinion to their own, and respect it. It works both ways.

 

3 - One of the main things that causes problems is when people conjure up generalisations about perceived groups of forum members, like the 'bedwetters', or the 'happy clappy brigade', or try posting things like 'You lot said this', as though we are all in little groups with exactly the same opinions on certain things. It's a load of ********, and the more these labels are used or referred to, the more it devalues the opinion of anyone who uses it. Stick to replying to individuals and reply to specific points - less of the broad brush stuff.

 

4 - Finally, and most simply, treat others as you would expect to be treated yourself.

[Viking Warrior]

You know me minty and I'm pleased I fall into the happy clappy group

[st.sj]

I reckon I've read every post on this thread, and I am going to think about my behaviour in some cases. I am a Saints supporter living abroad and most of the time this site is as close as I can get to following my team, so I dont want it to be relentlessly acrimonious.

 

I am also reassured to see that some people do have balance, do value my opinion in some cases, and the mods are trying to be fair - its all I ask.

 

I find it sad that there appear to be some people where a red mist descends when they see I have posted, amd sod the content. I also think it is very childish handing out abuse then hinding behind an ignore list. I think its their loss as well as mine.

 

Oh, and despite what some of you think, this wasnt intended as a "look at me" thread. I wanted to find out if some people want to see differing opinions and lively discussion, and it is gratifying to see they do.

Interesting to see your summary and my observation is that I think your response is slightly self deluding. My summary of this thread also having read every post is that the majority of people on here are balanced and that the majority of people are irritated or at least fed up with your style of comments. I dont think you should read too much into the I think 2 or 3 posters that have supported you. I think you will find their cant be more than 5 people on here that read your continuous posting and expect anything worth reading from you. You have had your week end of attention, which although you deny it is clearly what you are after.

I think if you want to be taken more seriously you iether stop posting when you have the usual drivel in your head but just post when you have something sensible to say or perhaps you should change your user name and rebuild a new online persona.

I feel like I am being harsh to you but you have got on my nerves severely in the past and cant believe in real life you could possibly be as abnoxious, maybe because as another poster has said if you were by now you would have been punched repeatedly and modified your behaviour.

[Minty]

You know me minty and I'm pleased I fall into the happy clappy group

I don't think there's any such thing personally. I've been called it plenty of times, but usually because the person calling me it is at the opposite end of the spectrum to me. I'm an optimist, and some people simply can't handle that. Shame, but it's true.

 

As with everything though, just saying 'Don't worry, everything will be fine' or 'We're doomed I tell you' mean little... the important stuff is the reasoning WHY someone feels that way, which allows us to get into decent debate. Without that reasoning, some people rely on labelling people to construct a non-existent argument.

[saintmatt]

Fairy Cakes

 

Recipe Ingredients

100g self-raising flour;

1 tsp baking powder;

100g butter;

100g caster sugar;

2 large eggs, lightly beaten;

1 tbsp milk (optional)

 

Makes 12 fairy cakes

 

Recipe Method

Put paper cases in a 12-cup bun tin.

 

Sift the flour and baking powder into a bowl. Add the butter, eggs and sugar. Beat together until well mixed. If the mixture is a little thick, mix in a little milk.

 

Evenly divide the mixture between the cake cases. Bake for 20 minutes in a preheated oven (180c/gas4) until just firm.

 

Allow to cool slightly before putting them out on a wire rack to cool completely.

 

Ice and decorate the cakes as you like.

Edited 8 January, 2012 by saintmatt

[Saint Troy]

Alpine- my two pence is simple. Treat the match threads as match threads. they are for people to enjoy tje match that cannot be there for whatever reason. Many people know were having a bad run but don't want it every other post as either your negative comment our an abusive response to it. That can go on elsewhere. It may be at the point where people respond ott and that is not right but it is self inflicted so understand the reaction your posts currently draw and post accordingly. The match thread is for the match. Post match discussion and interesting topics however negative can be started for people to dip in and out of as they choose but I feel bird of match threads now due to you and people's response to you. Whilst it is easy to say everyone can have an opinion that is simply childish and frankly dumb, if i was constantly racist onatch threads I would rightly be told off and banned. Clearly your not doing anything that bad but it illustrates my point that whilst you can have a point of view you are an adult and should appreciate how other people use the site. I enjoy having people with different view points so wouldn't want you to go but let me have a match day thread about the match.

[latter day saint]

Just skimmed this thread and the match reaction thread which clearly prompted it.

 

Not got much to add really however:

 

1 - As much as I agree with much that has been written in response, it is a clear fact that if people simply ignored alps, or anyone they felt wasn't actually contributing anything constructive, then that would improve things far more than the poster concerned changing/not posting.

 

2 - The 'It's not what you say but how you say it' line fits best overall, but also to have discussion about anything needs people with different opinions to actually want to listen to a different opinion to their own, and respect it. It works both ways.

 

3 - One of the main things that causes problems is when people conjure up generalisations about perceived groups of forum members, like the 'bedwetters', or the 'happy clappy brigade', or try posting things like 'You lot said this', as though we are all in little groups with exactly the same opinions on certain things. It's a load of ********, and the more these labels are used or referred to, the more it devalues the opinion of anyone who uses it. Stick to replying to individuals and reply to specific points - less of the broad brush stuff.

 

4 - Finally, and most simply, treat others as you would expect to be treated yourself.

good post!

[skinner]

Alpine- my two pence is simple. Treat the match threads as match threads. they are for people to enjoy tje match that cannot be there for whatever reason. Many people know were having a bad run but don't want it every other post as either your negative comment our an abusive response to it. That can go on elsewhere. It may be at the point where people respond ott and that is not right but it is self inflicted so understand the reaction your posts currently draw and post accordingly. The match thread is for the match. Post match discussion and interesting topics however negative can be started for people to dip in and out of as they choose but I feel bird of match threads now due to you and people's response to you. Whilst it is easy to say everyone can have an opinion that is simply childish and frankly dumb, if i was constantly racist onatch threads I would rightly be told off and banned. Clearly your not doing anything that bad but it illustrates my point that whilst you can have a point of view you are an adult and should appreciate how other people use the site. I enjoy having people with different view points so wouldn't want you to go but let me have a match day thread about the match.

 

 

Agreed

[suewhistle]

I think most of what I feel has been said already, but yesterday was the first time I have ever put someone on ignore. Thanks to the joys of quoting I believe I may have been referred to as one of the attention-seekers. Rarely have I come across such lack of self-awareness ,sense of irony or sense of humour!

 

As for the abuse the OP thinks he's received, it's never been from me as I don't always post what I'm thinking, but I've seen enough offensive language from him: 'dweebs', 'happy clappy', 'mutual masturbation' and a generally unpleasant patronising attitude to anyone who doesn't exactly share his own opinion. Plus straw man arguments - I've seen no one say they're happy with our recent form or that we don't need new players.

 

Then he plays the victim and even starts a thread about it. We even got 'is it coz I'm an expat?' - my paraphrase of one of his statements. Well, as somebody else in the Alps I can assure you it's definitely nothing to do with your location..

[The Kraken]

Can't say I'm particularlly bothered either way. But that's because I struggle to take the OP anywhere near seriously.

 

Rarely have I encountered such history of being so regularly blindingly wrong, yet so unable to recognise the sheer ignorance of his posts, than the drivel that presents itself in the form of Alpine Saint's posts. Gems posted with such sincere definition, such as "we'll finish 18th in League 1", "we might as well consolidate for the playoffs rather than try for automatic promotion", "we'll lose the ashes 5-0" and goodness knows how many other such idiotically boorish claims, yet still not one ounce of self-deprecation or humility.

 

I find it best to laugh at Alpine's little outbursts, as they are good for not much else.

[Viking Warrior]

I'm an optimist to Minty. I didn't like the branfoot era but stood by the team and manager . It's easy to be drawn into ultra negativity matters . But I will support the team even if they are losing 5-0 . I have been taught to give encouragement to various teams I have coached over the years . I was saddened when an individual refers to NA as burley mk2. I remember a game at the Dell when we won 5-0 the game Richard Hall got injured . There were those that were slagging off the team even when we were winning then having ago at Richard Hall be taken off . But while slagging off players and managers is part of the modern game I will not subscribe to that sort of behaviour

[Frank's cousin]

The match thread should be seen as something different - its where those that cant attend can vent their spleen - its reactive and emotive, as all fans are during a game - ups and down, highs and lows and Alps is far from alone when it comes to being wrong about football - 99% of those who post on here are fans because they dont know enough about football to work in the game... :-) Me included.

 

BUt I think the problem is that sometimes on some threads people get confused between opiniion and emotive reaction - Opinion is formed based on accumulated knowledge - so as you learn more your opnions will change. Those who attend games frequently will on average be able to express a more infrmed opinion on the quality of than those that cant simple because they see it all, and we still get diverse opinion - but when I read the 'just back from the game thread - it often tends to be far more positive that a negative scoreline can suggest - folk who see us play etc...

 

But all opinions are equally valid - we just need to try and judge whose are based on more accumulated knowledge.

 

The only thing that really bugs me is when we have a thread say about a new player or transfer target that is meant to be discussing teh background, merits, strengths etc of a potential signing decend once again int a club bashing session, because in someones 'opinion' the player is not what they want and so the club, NC etc must be either skint, lack ambition or they are getting it all wrong.... and the sad truth is, thsoe that express that 'opinion' tend to be the same folk over and over again - if they want to express their thought on NC and the clubs ambition, start a thread about it - and let those who want to post on a player and what they bring to the table discuss that...surely?

[(not THE) Kevin Moore]

Yet another attention seeking post from alpine the serial miserablist, stop feeding the troll.

 

Anyone genuinely this pessimistic would surely be under medical supervision and therefore shouldn't be encouraged.

[dubai_phil]

Look. Alps has made good and valid points about new signings - specially our last summer in L1 when things were clearly wrong.

 

Also he is entitled to say he is hacked off about something in a match thread.

 

BUT, and this is the key. It is a MATCH THREAD, it is NOT the time to start going off and adding comments about stability in the club, our transfer strategy OR the thoughts and opinions of ANY other poster.

 

The match threads are where WE can feel a part of the club we love. Having someone come in and go on and on is WRONG. It is NOT a problem if he does it in other threads.

 

But, to be honest, if I was at SMS and had someone going on and on like him every week to my group of friends there would only be one outcome. On here we get infracted if we did that at SMS it would be different because eventually somebody would feel strongly enough to give up their freedom to watch Saints by swinging at him.

 

In the concourse? It would not be a problem it would be a debate/discussion. But during the game? No. There are two words - feck off I am listening to and enjoying the football.

 

Speak to Saints fans out there. Many of them followed S4E but no longer bother. Ask them why they no longer bother? and the answer is always the same....

 

OUR TEAM and OUR MATCHDAYS are OUR escape from the reality of daily life where every one of us has been shafted by Bankers and other morons.

 

If he wants a simple solution? Listen to Saints player and comment ON THE GAME not his opinions of the politics of the club our his misunderstanding of how Transfer Negotiations work.

 

Leave that to OTHER threads.

 

It used to be funny waiting for the cliches. Now it is truly sad, and I do not think anyone in life can be that bad (apart maybe from 19C) - if they are, then God got something seriously wrong

Edited 8 January, 2012 by dubai_phil

[Gingeletiss]

Look. Alps has made good and valid points about new signings - specially our last summer in L1 when things were clearly wrong.

 

If you mean this summer, then I disagree, we signed up quite a few on new/extended contracts, these must count, as they cost money.

[Plumstead_Saint]

@ the Kraken

Well said mate.

Every forum has at least hysterical and emotionally immature poster, who dishes it out but can't take it.

That doesn't mean you have to like them ...or listen to them.

If people didn't use the "quote with reply" so much it wouldn't matter, and the large number of people with AS on ignore would be a lot happier

[dubai_phil]

If you mean this summer, then I disagree, we signed up quite a few on new/extended contracts, these must count, as they cost money.

 

AP's last summer

[Gingeletiss]

AP's last summer

 

Ahhhhhh!

[Saintandy666]

Alpine, you can sometimes be aggressive towards others without prior aggression.

 

I think the main thing that needs to happen is for people to stop taking this board so seriously. Just make their point, counter and argue if they want, but don't start needlessly adding personal abuse where it isn't necessary and mainly because the person holds a different opinion to you.

 

Write whatever you want though, but I agree with whoever(I think minty?) who said it is how you say it, not what you say.

[sadoldgit]

Alpine, this thread proves beyond all doubt that you are a negative attention seeker. Even when we put six past Wolves away you were slagging off the manager (yes Mr Burley). We are top of the league, something most of us would never have believe a few years ago and still it is not enough for you. I truly think you would not be happy if we were top of the Premiership right now. You find no pleasure in our progress and spend all of your time nit picking and looking for faults. It has nothing to do with the fact that you don't game to games, it is down to the fact the you take all of the joy out of supporting your club and trun into into one post mortum after another. And just for the record, when you were kicking off about needing a centre back but threw your toys out of the pram when we didn't sign one in your time frame, but we ended signing player of the season Andrew Davies. Rome wasn't built in a day, good players don't grow on trees. You have no patience and little regard for positivity. That is why you hack people off. You are the Grim Reaper of internet football forums and you love it. Carry on milking it for all you are worth. I stopped paying my fiver because of narcissistic posters like you.

[st.sj]

Alpine, this thread proves beyond all doubt that you are a negative attention seeker. Even when we put six past Wolves away you were slagging off the manager (yes Mr Burley). We are top of the league, something most of us would never have believe a few years ago and still it is not enough for you. I truly think you would not be happy if we were top of the Premiership right now. You find no pleasure in our progress and spend all of your time nit picking and looking for faults. It has nothing to do with the fact that you don't game to games, it is down to the fact the you take all of the joy out of supporting your club and trun into into one post mortum after another. And just for the record, when you were kicking off about needing a centre back but threw your toys out of the pram when we didn't sign one in your time frame, but we ended signing player of the season Andrew Davies. Rome wasn't built in a day, good players don't grow on trees. You have no patience and little regard for positivity. That is why you hack people off. You are the Grim Reaper of internet football forums and you love it. Carry on milking it for all you are worth. I stopped paying my fiver because of narcissistic posters like you.

 

Well said!

[Foxstone]

I do not agree with all Alpine's opinions, but there are many I do and I rather think he and I are quite similar in that we vent frustration at times when things are not going so well, and that we can see alternatives that are not taken.

Now these alternatives might not be right either or indeed might not even be possible, but still as with many football fans passionate about their club, give rise for them to vent their immediate opinion.

Both Alpine and I were early critics of the Burley management ( I still maintain we were right to be so), but from what I can see, we are both great supporters of the Adkins regime - And in Alpine's defence he has often praised him and his management.

Just recently we have hit the buffers a bit - I still think we undoubtedly have the right man in charge but it does'nt mean that frustration cannot come out from time to time, more so than when things are going well.

 

It all makes the forum what it is and less sterile if everybody has nothing to say because everything is hunky dory.

[ulstersaint]

It is nothing to do with Alpine living far from SMS - as some of us reluctantly do - but simply his negative disposition and confrontational manner.

 

Post 31 has provided ample evidence (from quotes from Alpine's own posts), that Alps is habitually negative in his opinions and is reluctant to accept that any alternative opinion might have some validity.

 

Nothing - including this thread - is going to change Alpine. Only he can do that.

Edited 8 January, 2012 by ulstersaint
mis type

[St Chalet]

Alpine, in answer to the question you posed to the Mods

100% Saints discussion. Please keep it on-topic and civil. Abusive behaviour is not welcomed.

 

From my perspective at least all views are welcomed but as others have noted choosing the approriate threads to express them is the probably the key.

 

Another really good point made on the thread was the way some posters group others as 'wristslashers', bed-wetters, happy clappy etc. To be honest I can go through most of those phases within 90 minutes and depending on the result!

[Sheaf Saint]

I reckon I've read every post on this thread, and I am going to think about my behaviour in some cases. I am a Saints supporter living abroad and most of the time this site is as close as I can get to following my team, so I dont want it to be relentlessly acrimonious.

 

I am also reassured to see that some people do have balance, do value my opinion in some cases, and the mods are trying to be fair - its all I ask.

 

I find it sad that there appear to be some people where a red mist descends when they see I have posted, amd sod the content. I also think it is very childish handing out abuse then hinding behind an ignore list. I think its their loss as well as mine.

 

Oh, and despite what some of you think, this wasnt intended as a "look at me" thread. I wanted to find out if some people want to see differing opinions and lively discussion, and it is gratifying to see they do.

 

Alps, you complain that you receive abuse because you dare to have a different opinion from the party line but this is not true, simply because you do not offer opinions, you post absolute statements of FACT (or not, as it turns out) and that winds people up. For example, stating in yesterday's match thread that we would lose by 3 clear goals when we were one down. You didn't know that, but you still insisted on telling everyone else on the thread that it would without a shadow of a doubt turn out to be true. That is what annoys people - your absolute certainty that your negative position is correct and everyone else is wrong. Well, look what happened yesterday - we won and you made yourself look completely stupid.

 

I don't think there is a single person on here who isn't concerned that we will not remain in the promotion hunt if our recent form continues much longer. But you seem to have this warped idea that you are the only person who can see it and that anybody else who shows a bit of positivity and belief that we can turn it around is delusional, and yet you have the audacity to complain that you are the one being picked on when people take exception to your constant negative slant on things.

 

Can you really not see that everything we have achieved over the last 16 months or so - and I do mean everything - is due to the positive mental attitude that Adkins has instilled not just in the first team but in the entire club. We may not have the most expensive, most experienced or most talented squad in the league, but we are where we are because the players and the management team BELIEVE that they are capable of achieving their goals. So is it really any wonder that people get irritated when you turn up on the matchday threads and start insisting that we will lose?

[alpine_saint]

Alpine, this thread proves beyond all doubt that you are a negative attention seeker. Even when we put six past Wolves away you were slagging off the manager (yes Mr Burley). We are top of the league, something most of us would never have believe a few years ago and still it is not enough for you. I truly think you would not be happy if we were top of the Premiership right now. You find no pleasure in our progress and spend all of your time nit picking and looking for faults. It has nothing to do with the fact that you don't game to games, it is down to the fact the you take all of the joy out of supporting your club and trun into into one post mortum after another. And just for the record, when you were kicking off about needing a centre back but threw your toys out of the pram when we didn't sign one in your time frame, but we ended signing player of the season Andrew Davies. Rome wasn't built in a day, good players don't grow on trees. You have no patience and little regard for positivity. That is why you hack people off. You are the Grim Reaper of internet football forums and you love it. Carry on milking it for all you are worth. I stopped paying my fiver because of narcissistic posters like you.

 

You've been saving that post up for years, and I've given you the opportunity.

 

mea culpa..

[Ohio Saint]

This thread reminds me. I have a dripping tap that needs fixing.

[MorningtonCrescent]

Just skimmed this thread and the match reaction thread which clearly prompted it.

 

Not got much to add really however:

 

Followed by....

 

1 - As much as I agree with much that has been written in response, it is a clear fact that if people simply ignored alps, or anyone they felt wasn't actually contributing anything constructive, then that would improve things far more than the poster concerned changing/not posting.

 

2 - The 'It's not what you say but how you say it' line fits best overall, but also to have discussion about anything needs people with different opinions to actually want to listen to a different opinion to their own, and respect it. It works both ways.

 

3 - One of the main things that causes problems is when people conjure up generalisations about perceived groups of forum members, like the 'bedwetters', or the 'happy clappy brigade', or try posting things like 'You lot said this', as though we are all in little groups with exactly the same opinions on certain things. It's a load of ********, and the more these labels are used or referred to, the more it devalues the opinion of anyone who uses it. Stick to replying to individuals and reply to specific points - less of the broad brush stuff.

 

4 - Finally, and most simply, treat others as you would expect to be treated yourself.

[MorningtonCrescent]

LoL! Gotta luv Minty! ;-)

 

FWIW - I agree with all that Minty says!

[Ohio Saint]

This thread is mostly, if not all about the match day threads, right? Well. I see that thread as entirely different to all other threads on this forum. It is the closest that some of us can be to being at the match.

 

In my own case, this is why the vast majority of my own posts are inane drivel. I know it must annoy some people, but I see it as mixing with the crowd. We can all "see'" the game, and don't really need to give each other commentary. We express our hopes, fears, and expectations. We cheer the team along and give our support the best way we can. We also have a laugh and generally "Watch" the game. It is a virtual crowd for those of us that cannot be there.

 

There is no point in dissecting a game we cannot actually see to any great extent, we can get the gist of the game from the commentators and comment on that, but beyond that small amount of input, we are blind, and have no right to post comments such as "They are not up for it" after 17 minutes of play.

 

Most ex pats are very much out of it on match days as far as real involvement is concerned, and whatever Alpine says, we do NOT really know what is going on. All we know is what the match sounds like, and what we should not do next according to Dave Merrington. It is a VERY poor substitute to being at the game, but it is the best we have. It is beyond me how any ex-pat without a good travel plan can honestly be taken seriously on their opinions gleaned from the radio, especially when they won't even watch the rare live TV stream that is available.

 

I use the match day thread to enjoy what I can from the commentary, hang out with a couple of Arabs and a Canadian or two, punch a parrot, look at a sexy nun and enjoy the match......Just like a match day in my home town. If I were in the terraces (Showing my age) and stood next to some old prat with an oxygen tent stuck up his nose and continuously complaining about every single aspect of his big day out?........I'd tell him where to go too, just like I do with Alpine.

 

The match day thread is my Saturday. Don't pee on it.

[alpine_saint]

This thread is mostly, if not all about the match day threads, right? Well. I see that thread as entirely different to all other threads on this forum. It is the closest that some of us can be to being at the match.

 

In my own case, this is why the vast majority of my own posts are inane drivel. I know it must annoy some people, but I see it as mixing with the crowd. We can all "see'" the game, and don't really need to give each other commentary. We express our hopes, fears, and expectations. We cheer the team along and give our support the best way we can. We also have a laugh and generally "Watch" the game. It is a virtual crowd for those of us that cannot be there.

 

There is no point in dissecting a game we cannot actually see to any great extent, we can get the gist of the game from the commentators and comment on that, but beyond that small amount of input, we are blind, and have no right to post comments such as "They are not up for it" after 17 minutes of play.

 

Most ex pats are very much out of it on match days as far as real involvement is concerned, and whatever Alpine says, we do NOT really know what is going on. All we know is what the match sounds like, and what we should not do next according to Dave Merrington. It is a VERY poor substitute to being at the game, but it is the best we have. It is beyond me how any ex-pat without a good travel plan can honestly be taken seriously on their opinions gleaned from the radio, especially when they won't even watch the rare live TV stream that is available.

 

I use the match day thread to enjoy what I can from the commentary, hang out with a couple of Arabs and a Canadian or two, punch a parrot, look at a sexy nun and enjoy the match......Just like a match day in my home town. If I were in the terraces (Showing my age) and stood next to some old prat with an oxygen tent stuck up his nose and continuously complaining about every single aspect of his big day out?........I'd tell him where to go too, just like I do with Alpine.

 

The match day thread is my Saturday. Don't pee on it.

 

But that is what it is like in the stands !! Isnt it in a way reassuring that the match thread reflects events in the stands too ? You cant go round punching whinging old duffers in the stands at SMS who experess a negative opinion you dont like - why can you do it verbally on here ?

[Fan The Flames]

Alpine I've tried engaging you in a debate but you ignore it and home in on the posts that have a pop, as it seems that's what you come on here for. You are just a big attention seeking wum that I gave up taking seriously years ago.

 

Why don't you post 5 examples of the nasty stuff you have endured and I bet you it will take you days to find it.

[NickG]

Alpine

 

think your approach, and why it is so widely seen as annoying, was summed up yesterday.

 

you were slagging of Adkins.

 

I posted a before and after league table of this manager you were criticising - 16 months from 4thish from bottom in league 1 to 1st in championship.

 

your response was whatever floats your boat.

 

THE best performing manager in the last 16 month does float my boat, as does being top of the league.

 

 

If it doesn't float your boat, nothing saints will do ever will.

 

If Adkins is disappointing you (surprising as you did not expect us to even be in this division) you will never ever be happy with a saints manager.

 

You hate any reasoned or fact based debate.

 

You describe players failings and failings of tactic - that you haven't even seen or listened to - as fact.

 

 

You love the attention though, honestly think you don't know much about the game.

[alpine_saint]

Alpine

 

think your approach, and why it is so widely seen as annoying, was summed up yesterday.

 

you were slagging of Adkins.

 

I posted a before and after league table of this manager you were criticising - 16 months from 4thish from bottom in league 1 to 1st in championship.

 

your response was whatever floats your boat.

 

THE best performing manager in the last 16 month does float my boat, as does being top of the league.

 

 

If it doesn't float your boat, nothing saints will do ever will.

 

If Adkins is disappointing you (surprising as you did not expect us to even be in this division) you will never ever be happy with a saints manager.

 

You hate any reasoned or fact based debate.

 

You describe players failings and failings of tactic - that you haven't even seen or listened to - as fact.

 

 

You love the attention though, honestly think you don't know much about the game.

 

I am of the opinion NA has done a great job to get us promoted. That run at the end of last season was incredible. However, most of the ingredients were already in place for him.

 

Last season is now history. This season is what matters. He's got us into a great position for a double promotion, but I fear the campaign is faltering, and I want to see the right decisions at the right time to get it back on track. I dont see this happening, currently.

 

I find it strange that people keep saying I am clueless when all I am doing is focusing on the now and the immediate future, and not dwelling on the past.

[Ohio Saint]

But that is what it is like in the stands !! Isnt it in a way reassuring that the match thread reflects events in the stands too ? You cant go round punching whinging old duffers in the stands at SMS who experess a negative opinion you dont like - why can you do it verbally on here ?

 

Yes, Alpine, you are correct, I am comparing the forum to a civilised society. In most of those societies the mentally ill are sectioned. Often for their own safety. That is what saves normally well adjusted family men from stabbing the aforementioned lunatic in the neck with a biro. This is not hyperbole.

[alpine_saint]

Yes, Alpine, you are correct, I am comparing the forum to a civilised society. In most of those societies the mentally ill are sectioned. Often for their own safety. That is what saves normally well adjusted family men from stabbing the aforementioned lunatic in the neck with a biro. This is not hyperbole.

 

Right, so anyone who gets up your nose in the stands, or on the match thread during the game, because of their opinion, should be sectioned ?

 

Rightyho....

 

Think you should go fix that tap...

[Ohio Saint]

Right, so anyone who gets up your nose in the stands during the game because of their opinion should be sectioned ?

 

Rightyho....

 

Humour bypass worked fine on you then?

[alpine_saint]

Humour bypass worked fine on you then?

 

How am I supposed to distinguish your poor attempt at humour from the scores of abusive posts and PMs I am getting ?

[Cascadia Saint]

This thread is mostly, if not all about the match day threads, right? Well. I see that thread as entirely different to all other threads on this forum. It is the closest that some of us can be to being at the match.

 

In my own case, this is why the vast majority of my own posts are inane drivel. I know it must annoy some people, but I see it as mixing with the crowd. We can all "see'" the game, and don't really need to give each other commentary. We express our hopes, fears, and expectations. We cheer the team along and give our support the best way we can. We also have a laugh and generally "Watch" the game. It is a virtual crowd for those of us that cannot be there.

 

There is no point in dissecting a game we cannot actually see to any great extent, we can get the gist of the game from the commentators and comment on that, but beyond that small amount of input, we are blind, and have no right to post comments such as "They are not up for it" after 17 minutes of play.

 

Most ex pats are very much out of it on match days as far as real involvement is concerned, and whatever Alpine says, we do NOT really know what is going on. All we know is what the match sounds like, and what we should not do next according to Dave Merrington. It is a VERY poor substitute to being at the game, but it is the best we have. It is beyond me how any ex-pat without a good travel plan can honestly be taken seriously on their opinions gleaned from the radio, especially when they won't even watch the rare live TV stream that is available.

 

I use the match day thread to enjoy what I can from the commentary, hang out with a couple of Arabs and a Canadian or two, punch a parrot, look at a sexy nun and enjoy the match......Just like a match day in my home town. If I were in the terraces (Showing my age) and stood next to some old prat with an oxygen tent stuck up his nose and continuously complaining about every single aspect of his big day out?........I'd tell him where to go too, just like I do with Alpine.

 

The match day thread is my Saturday. Don't pee on it.

 

 

Exactly.

 

He peed on your ****ing Saturday? He peed on your ****ing Saturday.

 

That Saturday really held the weekend together did it not?

[Ohio Saint]

How am I supposed to distinguish your poor attempt at humour from the scores of abusive posts and PMs I am getting ?

 

Um, you reap what you sow? Surely that is up to you to figure out!

[Ohio Saint]

I think I can sum up the subject of this thread in simple terms

 

Alpine's potential audience on internet = Billions

Alpine's potential audience in real life = 1 + any immediate family

Alpine's comprehension of normal social interaction due to above statistics = minimal

Edited 8 January, 2012 by Ohio Saint

[PhilippineSaint]

How am I supposed to distinguish your poor attempt at humour from the scores of abusive posts and PMs I am getting ?

 

Your not getting abusive posts you just think that you are in your deluded negative world

[Viking Warrior]

Ohio why did you go and prod the troll with a stick you've woken him up again . Just seen a quoted thread and the idjit has been negative again . Oh why can't he post something sensible . Oh the woolston ferry . Can't get the song out of my head

[alpine_saint]

Ohio why did you go and prod the troll with a stick you've woken him up again . Just seen a quoted thread and the idjit has been negative again . Oh why can't he post something sensible . Oh the woolston ferry . Can't get the song out of my head

 

Oh god, the next round of incessant whinging.

[(not THE) Kevin Moore]

Stop feeding the troll people. He is either the least self aware man on gods earth, or a troll. no-one with such a negative attitude could live long without the aid of medication.

 

No wonder he objects to the description of 'wrist slasher'

 

Ohio saint... Post of the year already, kudos.

[Norm]

Time to turn the lights out on this? Please

[alpine_saint]

Time to turn the lights out on this? Please

 

Yes, I agree its getting boring. I am supposed to be attention seeking, whereas in reality this nothing more than a whipping post. The purpose of the thread has failed somewhat, though there were a few decent contributions.

[Lazlo78]

This thread reminds me. I have a dripping tap that needs fixing.

 

Oooh, are you coming on to me?!

[Ohio Saint]

Oooh, are you coming on to me?!

 

I don't understand the reference, and I am straight, but hey, if it takes the limelight away from the OP, let's get it on right here on the dance floor!