A question for the mods about this main board

[Cascadia Saint]

Oh, come on !! Todays Coventry goal was almost the first kick of the game ! Thats hardly fair, I'd only just got to my PC.

 

Not just talking about today, I've experienced many a match thread when The Alpine is awoken by Davis picking the ball out of his net and kicking it back to the centre circle.

[tpbury]

Reading BillyShyte's excellent blog, he often refers to a couple of wnakers who continually moan throughout the game, often demonstrating complete ignorance of the team and game as they do so. I recognised these types from when I used to attend games. I'd often be stood near to such koks in the Milton Road end, which seemed to attract them. They made me so angry most of the time, not just cause they made the odd criticism or got on the back of players who weren't trying, but because THEY NEVER FRICKIN SHUT UP!!!!! Never any break from the continuous negative bile (unless we were winning, which, lets face it, wasn't very often in the 80s and in any case it would only be narrowly, giving them plenty of opportunity to predict how we'd concede - and that happened a lot also). Frankly it made me depressed. I often left the game feeling that my 'matchday experience' had been tainted, leaving me with a bleak outlook on life. Basically, these types messed up my day, and I dont even know if they got any benefit out of spouting all the BS they did - maybe it was therapy for them, I'm sure they acted more out of compulsion than reason, but it was a selfish compulsion, unaware of the impact it had on the impressionable audience that was forced to listen to the drip, drip of negativity.

 

Those type of people really, really **** me off.

[theyin]

Alpine is like the Nigerian spammer who knabs a return email. Once your hooked he keeps coming back.

 

Only the Nigerian wants your cash but Alpine wants your attention and he's got you hook, line and sinker.

[SaintBobby]

1. Bring the players in to stay there.

2. Actually stay there.

3. Take the next opportunity against teams at the bottom to open up a breathing space, unlike so far this season.

4. Get promoted.

 

You felt fairly sure we wouldn't get promoted from League One last season.

 

Surely to have even a half-shot at promotion to the Premiership this season must be beyond your wildest dreams.

 

You must be in fantasy land bouncing along on a wave of unending euphoria, I would have thought?

 

I mean even if we end up, say, 14th - this is much, much better than you have ever dared hope for in terms of our final position in 2012.

[dune]

Alpine Saint doesn't bother me. I don't get how some of you get so wound up by stuff on here. Who gives a sh/t what he says - it's his opinion.

 

The UI is a far better forum (and it's free) than this place as no-one is sad enough to get wound up.

Edited 8 January, 2012 by dune

[Doctoroncall]

 

The problem is Alpine you don't want to debate a topic correctly you just want your opinion to be the ruling one, and not actually have a genuine conversation / debate. For that I have no time for anything you post. (And the only reason why I posted this was in the veine hope you might get the point)

 

Agree that Alpine doesn't go for debating (including substance), which is a shame as he can bring up some good topics for debate.

 

Also, Alpine, it doesn't really matter what you write as the persception of posters are set. Remember when you changed your posting style for a bit the reaction you got? Perhaps if you carried on being less negative you could have changed people's perception...

[PhilippineSaint]

Well, thats you holed below the water line, because whilst I would describe that lot as "emotional", I would not describe it as "relentlessly negative"

 

 

The other 99.9% (not a completely accurate figure but close enough) posters on here would.

[70's Mike]

Adrian, sorry, all of what you have just written here is subjective.

 

I dont post for attention, and I resent the accusation. I post in order to feel part of what is going on when I live so far away. Try it and see how it affects your behaviour.

 

I regard myself to be a fairly intelligent person, and feel I have drawn reasonable conclusions, and do my best to explain them. Maybe the emotion of the moment and the immediate inush of a dozen abusive responses prevents me doing so as effectively as I would wish. Its difficult to elaborate on a point youve just made when you're angry at having just been called a "trolling skate tw*t".

 

My current bugbear is the speed with which we do our transfer business. If it takes too long it will hinder our ability to hold on to the top spot. In my opinion, even going back to my "CB watch" posts under Burley, we always take too long on transfer activity.

 

what like when we bought Fonte and Lambert, rather take our time get it right than do a Saggy Chops and buy anything on 2 legs

[smackalec]

I dont consider it to be ill-informed. This "alpine doesnt know what hes talking about" has simply come about because I dare to live abroad (I dont understand the stigma attached to it, apart from there has always been a bit of a p*ssing contest on here about the amount of games one goes to) And at the moment negative is how I feel, after months of being fairly up about things. Are we only allowed to post nice fluffy things ?

 

It doesn't make you less of a fan because you don't go to that many games. And your not a better fan if you have an st'.

What I would say is that if you have seen the game in the stadium you get a full view of the game. You see all the chances, all the little passes and flicks that don't quite come off. All the decisions that go against lambert (and since the Brighton home game there are alot). The highlights get nowhere near giving you a feel of the game. Evan live games on the tele you don't see all the runs players make.

On another note 'alpine' in the last 3-4 months you do seem to post for reaction, I don't believe you always actually think the same as your posting, you just enjoy the roll of pantomime villain.

[Gingeletiss]

Have you considered your constant ill-informed negativity is also annoying a lot of people?

 

(before anyone starts, yes I know I am annoying aswell )

 

I don't see this thread lasting long before it is closed...

 

I enjoy your post MLG, at least they're informed, unlike a lot of speculative sh1te posted on here.

[farawaysaint]

Alps, I've always been very supportive of you I mean lets be honest our team was **** plain and simple. We supported them, we knew they were **** you just vocalised what was at the back of everyone's mind at the time. Recently however we're top of the league playing the best footie I've seen us in years and sure there are problems but comparing Adkins who is frankly a great manager who I expect to sort out our slump to Burley is ridiculous. While a few muppets had issues with you before it's just now that you're moaning while we're doing so well that people are starting to suspect you're a troll or a Skate. I mean... Come on... I was dissapointed as well when Cov scored but your reaction was over the top even you must confess you seem to be going mental on match threads lately.

[Noodles34]

Alpine, have you cum yet?

[Norm]

You are right Alpine it is unpleasant, it is cyber bullying. All too common these days. If these people feel that strongly about your views why don't tthey just ignore your posts. They would probably never dare say those things except from behind the safety of a key board!!!! I don'y agree with a lot of what you say, but you have every right to say it without the level of personal abuse you get. I think the way certain people (i.e you) get ganged up upon is the reason why I have never subscribed!!!

 

 

I must agree with SW5 SAINT, it is cyber bullying to a big degree. I fail to understand why some, repeat some, behave on here as they do and yet would not do so face to face. I enjoy my visits to this site but really do get annoyed at the personal abuse directed at some posters. I LOVE banter but many of the posts on here are anything but that.

 

The above post is a good example.

[SaintBobby]

Alpine, have you cum yet?

 

lol

[arfurdent]

You could always ignore him or just join in with the debate.

 

Or tell anyone who disagrees with you to s*d off.

 

Finally try the UGI site - he would only be rated as slightly annoying there

[kelkel31]

alpine if it really does bother you why dont you help yourself by not responding to every post that has a different view to you, maybe just accept that is there view and you have stateted yours and if you really want to have a rant with individuals use the private message function.

 

this may prevent valid topics becoming 20 page threads that has no substaince and that puts off many users on this forum who have become as previously mentioned 'readers' rather than 'users' contributing.

 

as for the rest of you why dont you take the same advice and stop encouraging him, you are at least 50% on the problem, then maybe use the same advice on the others who are classed th same as alpine and we may get a forum were everyone feels they can have a point of view and become more active in the discussions

[Viking Warrior]

I do not see why you need to apologise for this thread you know exactly what you were doing . Playing the victim and wallowing in self pity and I bet your chuffed with so many responses . You are a very negative individual especially match day threads . Your negative rants really wind me up. You are on my ignore list but because you are quoted I still see what you post . I use the matching thread to try and and get a bit of match day experience whilst listening to saints player . It's like being at the game with some friends and discussing the merits of the players tactics etc good and bad . But you go the extreme and spoil the match thread and I'm getting to the point of not contributing to the match thread. Unlike you I support saints through thick and thin as I have done so for several decades . I wear my heart on my sleeve when it comes to supporting saints

[warsash saint]

'Oh look at me, look at me!!'

[shirleysfc]

Football is a game of opinions, yes? I certainly don't agree with everything posted on here, said at matches or what's said in discussions with mates/family. The difference between you and everyone else is you ignore reasoned arguments. Yesterday you said Adkins was the same as Burley and he hadn't improved Pardew's squad. Several users put reasoned responses which suggested those statements were incorrect which you ignored to continue whinging about the top of the league stuff.

 

Basically you're incapable of proper debate as you ignore anything that may suggest you're ever wrong. It's a shame really as you do make some good points that unfortunately get lost in the carp.

[Viking Warrior]

Just read the more recent posts now I'm called a muppet because I have issues re alpine . I do because of his constant negativity but I have agreed with him in the past . I bet your loving this thread alpine

[S-Clarke]

The problem I have with you Alpine isn't your opinion as such, everyone is entitled to it, it's the way you manipulate your opinion with trivial fiction and turn them into facts.

 

I.E someone says the club is for sale, so you'll then try and include this point in any justification for negativity in the future.

 

Another way you try to justify your opinion is to talk like you have an ear on the inside. i.e - ''they're not doing anything, they've got their fingers up their areses''. If you knew that, fair enough, but as you don't then using that to backup an opinion is what gets on peoples tits.

 

No one is happy with the recent form, but surely you can see why people latch on to you during times like this? You seem to thrive and grow on the negativity and become this tedious stream of made up crap.

[Ashley Grute]

Alpine - doesn't really bother me what you write- if I disagree strongly I would tell you (politely) and if I don't like what you Write I will ignore it! Easy really!

[Guest flickjax]

Thing is you can't judge the team performance based on radio commentary as it sometimes totally differs to what is actually happening on the pitch!!!!

[Saint_clark]

1. Bring the players in to stay there.

2. Actually stay there.

3. Take the next opportunity against teams at the bottom to open up a breathing space, unlike so far this season.

4. Get promoted.

 

Trouble is Alps, you're not waiting to see if any of this will happen - you are acting and speaking as if we have already failed at all four of those points, and THAT is what is annoying people.

[Saint_Jonny]

This thread is ridiculous. Mods, why are you lettin one poster have a big 'look at me' and a Sulk on the main forum?

[Avenue Saint]

This thread has nothing to do with saints and all to do with one poster.

 

I vote for this thread to be locked!

[LostBoys]

I have a suggestion - everyone puts you on 'ignore' the same as I have for many months.

[shirleysfc]

This thread is ridiculous. Mods, why are you lettin one poster have a big 'look at me' and a Sulk on the main forum?

 

Put it in the muppet show, that way we can call him a **** and be done with it.

[Chicken With A Banjo]

I enjoy your post MLG, at least they're informed, unlike a lot of speculative sh1te posted on here.

 

Seconded

[Avenue Saint]

I enjoy your post MLG, at least they're informed, unlike a lot of speculative sh1te posted on here.

 

Thirded

[VectisSaint]

I have a suggestion - everyone puts you on 'ignore' the same as I have for many months.

Agreed, problem is that some folks keep quoting him and so the drivel still gets downloaded, don't care too much at home but it is a pain in the arse when you are away and relying on the match day threads for updates on your phone. He just takes over threads and makes them even more depressing than they sometimes are (Brizzle C for instance).

[st.sj]

My apologies for putting it here, it seems the right place and this topic will probably generate feedback from the users. Move it if you deem it necessary.

 

Is the main board supposed to be for diverse discussion of all things Saints, including trips down memory lane, various trivia, but most importantly about the current situation with the team - but in the latter case only as a mutual masturbation glee-club about how wonderful everything is with dissenting or conflicting opinions completely taboo ???

 

Do you guys realise just how much systematic abuse is being dished out for anyone who doesnt toe the "party line" ?

 

I may throw back the odd piece of abuse, but the agression and sheer nastiness has become mostly a one-way street, and there are others receiving this treatment too, just because we dont feel everything is so damned peachy at SMS.

 

Everytime someone questions or doubts the wave of euphoria, a dozen posts come crashing in with vile abuse.

 

Is that the sort of site you want ?

 

In my experience discussing something rationally with yourself would be like having a debate with say a jehovas witness about their belief system or to get a scientologist to look at the possability that what they are saying is not correct.

You pick on a perfectly reasonable point, ie. should every one be allowed to put their views on this site, whether they are the views of the majority or not and clearly any one should be able to do that. But could I ask you to consider that the way you have worded the question is where your problem lies. "Mutual masturbation Glee club", not the most intelligent use of words and reflect more on what is inside your mind. For instance I am certainly of a more positive frame of mind than you but I do not like the way you have framed the question.

I read the forum daily, as much to see if their are any snippets of news. I used to post as well but with having to pay £5 on an internet forum to chat and also with the few "idiots" that post I very rarely bother. It seems a pointless excercise.

Clearly you will carry on with your contributions and as you are aware many people have put you on ignore, I suppose you need to think why so many people have done this and decide, could it be you or is it every one else. As in my experience self awareness has not been your strong point I can be confident in your answer.

To answer your question, "is this the sort of site you would like". The sort of site I would like is exactly as it is so that different people can take different things from the site but if yourself and a couple of others were to disapear I think the majority would probably prefer that. As you seem to have a mission to spread your fear and dispare to the world, I will not hold my breath on this happening.

[ecuk268]

Alpine's perfectly entitled to his opinions and anyone is entitled to disagree.

 

It would be helpful everyone's arguments were logical and based on facts. This is not possible as much of it is subjective. Those of us who go to games get a different view of things to those who don't. But I often go into work on a Monday and, discussing the game with colleagues, wonder if I've been at the same match as views differ considerably.

 

In my view, once you resort to insults you've lost the argument. Name calling belongs in the infant school playground - it just shows weakness of thought and immaturity.

[Cascadia Saint]

I do not see why you need to apologise for this thread you know exactly what you were doing . Playing the victim and wallowing in self pity and I bet your chuffed with so many responses . You are a very negative individual especially match day threads . Your negative rants really wind me up. You are on my ignore list but because you are quoted I still see what you post . I use the matching thread to try and and get a bit of match day experience whilst listening to saints player . It's like being at the game with some friends and discussing the merits of the players tactics etc good and bad . But you go the extreme and spoil the match thread and I'm getting to the point of not contributing to the match thread. Unlike you I support saints through thick and thin as I have done so for several decades . I wear my heart on my sleeve when it comes to supporting saints

 

Ex - ******* - actly. I used to enjoy the match threads.

[Barry the Badger]

You let individual results or even short runs of form influence your overall opinion far too much. For me, the annoying thing is not the negativity but the way you come to form your opinions.

 

Yesterday was a great example. At 1-0 down it was "we're screwed" and then after a late comback to win 2-1 you said "well I am happier we can play without Lambert now". The second example is actually a little more positive but still demonstrates the point.

 

It's so fustratingly black and white to you. We can either play without Lambert or we can't. But that is completely ignoring the complexities of a single match. To form such opinions based on one match is ridiculous.

 

For example, let's say the ball had taken a dodgy bobble just before JWP hit it for his goal, and he'd missed, and then Aaron Martin had taken a little shove in the back when about to head home, and the referee had missed it, we would have lost 1-0 and you would be screaming that we're ****ed without Lambert. It's one game and so much can happen that it's just plain stupid to form sweeping general opinions on the basis of it, and that is what you do all the bloody time.

[Bearsy]

Is the main board supposed to be for diverse discussion of all things Saints, including trips down memory lane, various trivia, but most importantly about the current situation with the team - but in the latter case only as a mutual masturbation glee-club about how wonderful everything is with dissenting or conflicting opinions completely taboo ???

 

I'm disappointed that the mods have not clarified the OPs query.

 

Might I suggest a poll?

 

Is the main board for discussion of:

a) All things Saints

b) Mutual masturbation glee-club

c) Alpine Saint and his peccadillos

[Dig Dig]

Thirded

 

The only people who get annoyed with MLG are those who spout crap and get corrected by his often more informed knowledge. They are more than happy to listen though when they want to know about specifics and he knows the answer.

 

As for Alpine, there is no point to this thread at all. He has very limited knowledge of football, is constantly predicting imminent doom and simply doesn't or cannot debate. He only has himself to blame for all of the things he is complaining about in this thread.

[CWD]

I haven't read this thread but I'd just like to throw in my thoughts.

 

The most irritating, blood-boilingly annoying thing that certain people do on this forum, is firmly assert that something negative will happen, and when people question it, they get told that they're being unrealistic, or 'happy clappy'. For example, saying that 'we are not going to be promoted' in September, 'we will not buy any players' on the 2nd of January', 'we have thrown away the chance to put the title race to bed' in October is ridiculous. I can see why some people are so vociferous in their responses because these opinions are quite simply incorrect, and it is so irritating to read the same drivel every day.

 

This isn't having opinion, an opinion would be 'I don't think we'll get promoted', or 'I can't see us signing players'. Why not phrase things like this? The unfounded arrogance that some posters have, because they feel they are the only 'realistic' people on here, is pathetic. I'm all up for varying opinions, so phrase your negativity as such, and not in the form of a fact, so that you can patronise other posters who dare to disagree.

[Jimmy_D]

Alpine, I agree that sometimes you take abuse that you shouldn't, and we stop that where we can.

 

You also need to remember that other posters are just as entitled to a more positive opinion than you, sometimes you react as if you're being personally abused when it's actually that your opinion is being disagreed with by a majority of posters. It sometimes comes across as personal because you're literally the only person with that opinion.

[Torrent Of Abuse]

Your point being ?

 

It was going tits up in the first half with that team and that formation. True, Bart got a confidence boost, I'll grant you that.

Coventry could have put us to the sword in the first half. They had enough chances.

At FT we had something to smile about, but serious work remains

Using ignore is still odd, imo. Nothing I wrote there was that wide of the mark.

 

Perspective is the important thing. If Saints had 61% of the possession but went in only 1-0 up, you would be talking about the likelihood of Coventry getting back into the game and bemoaning the lack of attacking signings which would have put them away. When it's Coventry who have the possession and the goal, it suddenly becomes a more formiddable lead. I think people just want you to be more even-handed in your interpretation of things like that. Not every situation is a problem which requires a fix.

[Northant Saint]

I think it is scary that you referred to Adkins as 'Burley mark II' before he correctly changed things and turned the game around. My god if you were in charge of our club we would have management change every six months. You, Alpine, have always been the quickest on this forum to get on the back of any manager, unfairly so in this case and a fair few others.

 

There are two possible reasons for this:

1. You are stupid

2. These aren't in fact your actual opinions, yet you voice them anyway purely to gain as much attention as possible.

 

The creation of this thread tends to suggest to me that it is in fact the second reason.

[David Strover]

As for the comments on the Coventry game, well to paraphrase Don Cherry, 'If my aunt had nuts she'd been my uncle'.

You cannot counter disagreement with your negative comments on match day with "Coventry should have score three before halftime" or "If they'd have taken their chances"

Well they didn't and they lost 2-1 to Southampton which is supposed to be the club you support with every fibre of your body. Those remarks you made make you sound more like a Coventry supporter.

 

I love being a Saints fan and I hate being a Saints but I'm a Saints fan.

 

Loyalty to the club above all else. I don't care about other clubs and how they run their business and don't care about how the 'should' have beaten MY team.

 

Be a Saints fan not a 'Grim Reaper'.

 

That's what makes me so friggin' angry and why I don't post much anymore. Also you will not fully admit you were 100% wrong - ever.

 

Even Dalek has done that before and I'm not sure he's a Pompey fan....

[saintbletch]

The forum is working fine. It's a feedback system alpine_saint. And you're ignoring the feedback.

 

If you were out in Southampton discussing the match with strangers in a pub, you'd have been punched mercilessly in the face many times by now.

 

If you had been punched, you'd either not go out in Southampton or you'd realise the company you keep doesn't like your behaviour and you would moderate it.

 

I doubt that you'd seriously go out again and again having been punched again and again. But perhaps you would, because this is what you are doing on here.

 

Your style and general negativity, not necessarily the substance of your argument is what I would imagine makes people 'attack' you.

[Secret Site Agent]

The problem is Alpine you don't want to debate a topic correctly you just want your opinion to be the ruling one, and not actually have a genuine conversation / debate. For that I have no time for anything you post. (And the only reason why I posted this was in the veine hope you might get the point)

 

See Alps, I have to also agree with the above. I have had heated discussions with not just you, but quite a few on here and you are one of the majority that NEVER see the point I am trying to make, yopu just shoot it down. You have changed my position a few times to bring me round to your way of thinking, and I have agreed with you on occasion . And I disagree with Jonny in that I wouldn't want you to disappear as I think you make this place interesting at times.

[Legod Third Coming]

Every forum needs a pantomime villain, so don't go changing

 

Dame would be a tad more appropriate...

[doggface]

This thread is a trolls wet dream

 

Wumtastic

[alpine_saint]

I reckon I've read every post on this thread, and I am going to think about my behaviour in some cases. I am a Saints supporter living abroad and most of the time this site is as close as I can get to following my team, so I dont want it to be relentlessly acrimonious.

 

I am also reassured to see that some people do have balance, do value my opinion in some cases, and the mods are trying to be fair - its all I ask.

 

I find it sad that there appear to be some people where a red mist descends when they see I have posted, amd sod the content. I also think it is very childish handing out abuse then hinding behind an ignore list. I think its their loss as well as mine.

 

Oh, and despite what some of you think, this wasnt intended as a "look at me" thread. I wanted to find out if some people want to see differing opinions and lively discussion, and it is gratifying to see they do.

[Bensfcno1]

Dude, if Coventry had taken their chances before NA turned things around, it could easily have been 3 clear goals. Be fair about that.

 

Im not taking sides, and sort of agree that everything isnt as rosey as our position at the top suggests! but if your going to talk about chances, then we woulda been 3 or 4 up against blackpool, pompey and many others before they equalised or took the lead agianst us!

 

Our defence needs to be tightneded up and we need a more consistsent striker to partner Lambert!

[Stu Man Do]

Seeing as how you mention the "red mist" that descends on some people when they read your posts is it a worthwhile suggestion to change your user name and come back with the new and improved alpine and start from scratch? End of the day this is a forum to discuss your views on our club. Don't be too negative, don't take it to heart to much if someone disagrees with you and be open to changing your view based on others input.

[NickG]

The only people who get annoyed with MLG are those who spout crap and get corrected by his often more informed knowledge. They are more than happy to listen though when they want to know about specifics and he knows the answer.

 

As for Alpine, there is no point to this thread at all. He has very limited knowledge of football, is constantly predicting imminent doom and simply doesn't or cannot debate. He only has himself to blame for all of the things he is complaining about in this thread.

 

Pretty fair summary.