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My apologies for putting it here, it seems the right place and this topic will probably generate feedback from the users. Move it if you deem it necessary.

 

Is the main board supposed to be for diverse discussion of all things Saints, including trips down memory lane, various trivia, but most importantly about the current situation with the team - but in the latter case only as a mutual masturbation glee-club about how wonderful everything is with dissenting or conflicting opinions completely taboo ???

 

Do you guys realise just how much systematic abuse is being dished out for anyone who doesnt toe the "party line" ?

 

I may throw back the odd piece of abuse, but the agression and sheer nastiness has become mostly a one-way street, and there are others receiving this treatment too, just because we dont feel everything is so damned peachy at SMS.

 

Everytime someone questions or doubts the wave of euphoria, a dozen posts come crashing in with vile abuse.

 

Is that the sort of site you want ?

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Have you considered your constant ill-informed negativity is also annoying a lot of people?

 

(before anyone starts, yes I know I am annoying aswell ;))

 

I dont consider it to be ill-informed. This "alpine doesnt know what hes talking about" has simply come about because I dare to live abroad (I dont understand the stigma attached to it, apart from there has always been a bit of a p*ssing contest on here about the amount of games one goes to) And at the moment negative is how I feel, after months of being fairly up about things. Are we only allowed to post nice fluffy things ?

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My apologies for putting it here, it seems the right place and this topic will probably generate feedback from the users. Move it if you deem it necessary.

 

Is the main board supposed to be for diverse discussion of all things Saints, including trips down memory lane, various trivia, but most importantly about the current situation with the team - but in the latter case only as a mutual masturbation glee-club about how wonderful everything is with dissenting or conflicting opinions completely taboo ???

 

Do you guys realise just how much systematic abuse is being dished out for anyone who doesnt toe the "party line" ?

 

I may throw back the odd piece of abuse, but the agression and sheer nastiness has become mostly a one-way street, and there are others receiving this treatment too, just because we dont feel everything is so damned peachy at SMS.

 

Everytime someone questions or doubts the wave of euphoria, a dozen posts come crashing in with vile abuse.

 

Is that the sort of site you want ?

 

No offence intended Alpine but I've genuinely only noticed that with a handful of posters, you being one of them. There are plenty of people who debate what the club is doing or will point out something negative and don't get yelled at.

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I dont consider it to be ill-informed. And at the moment its how I feel, after months of being fairly up about things.

 

You are fed up about Saints being top of the league since mid-September?

 

Are we only allowed to post nice fluffy things ?

 

I agree, that isn't healthy. But you take the other extreme, which is equally unhealthy for a forum. Lets meet in the middle Alpine! :)

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No offence intended Alpine but I've genuinely only noticed that with a handful of posters, you being one of them. There are plenty of people who debate what the club is doing or will point out something negative and don't get yelled at.

 

Right, so its got nothing to do with what we've actually written. That makes it even worse.

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You are fed up about Saints being top of the league since mid-September?

 

 

See, now you've actually proven one of my points. So what if we're top of the league ? Our form is relegation form, so we arent going to stay there. But pointing that out is extremely controversial on here.

 

I have praised the turnaround today in the second half and written positively about the impact it might have. But that all gets ignored.

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The problem is that a few posters on here (you included) only seem to post negative things even when things are going well. You were convinced that we would lose by 3 clear goals today after we went 1 down. People just get ****ed off with your continual negative take on everything. You must understand that.

 

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I dont consider it to be ill-informed. And at the moment negative is how I feel, after months of being fairly up about things. Are we only allowed to post nice fluffy things ?

 

We're top of the league ffs ! What has the team got to do to make you positive ?????

 

 

 

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I don't see this thread lasting long before it is closed...

 

Unfortunate if that is the case. We have issues with the format of this site, in my opinion.

 

I would also prefer we look at this in terms of the site, not in terms of alpine_saint.

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The problem is that a few posters on here (you included) only seem to post negative things even when things are going well. You were convinced that we would lose by 3 clear goals today after we went 1 down. People just get ****ed off with your continual negative take on everything. You must understand that.

 

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Dude, if Coventry had taken their chances before NA turned things around, it could easily have been 3 clear goals. Be fair about that.

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We're top of the league ffs ! What has the team got to do to make you positive ?????

 

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1. Bring the players in to stay there.

2. Actually stay there.

3. Take the next opportunity against teams at the bottom to open up a breathing space, unlike so far this season.

4. Get promoted.

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See, now you've actually proven one of my points. So what if we're top of the league ?

 

The post of yours I quoted said... "after months of being fairly up about things".

 

Saints have been in poor form for a month. The rest of the season they were the best side in the league and remain top.

 

Our form is relegation form, so we arent going to stay there. But pointing that out is extremely controversial on here.

 

You will struggle to find anyone on this forum that isn't concerned with recent form in the league. However the season is far from a disaster, the team despite the poor current form is top and is clearly trying to act in the transfer market to turn things around. I'd rather be in that position than trying to catch up with Saints having had a weaker start to the season like all 23 other Championship sides.

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I dont consider it to be ill-informed. This "alpine doesnt know what hes talking about" has simply come about because I dare to live abroad (I dont understand the stigma attached to it, apart from there has always been a bit of a p*ssing contest on here about the amount of games one goes to) And at the moment negative is how I feel, after months of being fairly up about things. Are we only allowed to post nice fluffy things ?

 

To be fair, the "alpine doesnt know what hes talking about" has come from reading half the stuff you write. You could live in a

tent outside the stadium and it would still be just as negative, divisive and out of touch.

 

IMHO of course.

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My apologies for putting it here, it seems the right place and this topic will probably generate feedback from the users. Move it if you deem it necessary.

 

Is the main board supposed to be for diverse discussion of all things Saints, including trips down memory lane, various trivia, but most importantly about the current situation with the team - but in the latter case only as a mutual masturbation glee-club about how wonderful everything is with dissenting or conflicting opinions completely taboo ???

 

Do you guys realise just how much systematic abuse is being dished out for anyone who doesnt toe the "party line" ?

 

I may throw back the odd piece of abuse, but the agression and sheer nastiness has become mostly a one-way street, and there are others receiving this treatment too, just because we dont feel everything is so damned peachy at SMS.

 

Everytime someone questions or doubts the wave of euphoria, a dozen posts come crashing in with vile abuse.

 

Is that the sort of site you want ?

 

I have suggested we start a 'Cozy Corner', so you can post drivel like this and we can come and fall asleep.

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To be fair, the "alpine doesnt know what hes talking about" has come from reading half the stuff you write. You could live in a

tent outside the stadium and it would still be just as negative, divisive and out of touch.

 

IMHO of course.

 

I dont agree with this. There is a pre-conception about the value of my opinion due to the amount of games I attend.

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Sorry, but I didn't say it had nothing to do with what you've written. You saying that is putting words into my mouth. That's not particularly fair.

 

Fair enough.

 

But I have seen identical posts to mine from others that dont get half a dozen abusive responses. That seems to me its because of the poster, not the post content. And I thought you were saying the same thing indirectly.

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Fair enough.

 

But I have seen identical posts to mine from others that dont get half a dozen abusive responses. That seems to me its because of the poster, not the post content. And I thought you were saying the same thing indirectly.

 

On the contrary, I do agree there is a large section of posters on this forum that are more than happy to just go with the flow and ignore common sense, because to do otherwise would be seen to be, by some, to be not supporting the team. I think that's wrong, and I'm not alone. I personally haven't had an awful lot of stick over that attitude.

 

I don't know what to say really, other than not everyone sits back and takes everything they see in their stride like you may think. Stuff like getting annoyed over a lack of transfers compared to other teams when we're barely eight days into the window? I think that's a little rash. There are always going to be different ways of going about business, we have a very different policy to say Leicester, and look where we are compared to them right now. It's also naive to think that stuff isn't going on in the background or hasn't been going on already.

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On the contrary, I do agree there is a large section of posters on this forum that are more than happy to just go with the flow and ignore common sense, because to do otherwise would be seen to be, by some, to be not supporting the team. I think that's wrong, and I'm not alone. I personally haven't had an awful lot of stick over that attitude.

 

I don't know what to say really, other than not everyone sits back and takes everything they see in their stride.

 

Well, thats a bit reassuring.

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My apologies for putting it here, it seems the right place and this topic will probably generate feedback from the users. Move it if you deem it necessary.

 

Is the main board supposed to be for diverse discussion of all things Saints, including trips down memory lane, various trivia, but most importantly about the current situation with the team - but in the latter case only as a mutual masturbation glee-club about how wonderful everything is with dissenting or conflicting opinions completely taboo ???

 

Do you guys realise just how much systematic abuse is being dished out for anyone who doesnt toe the "party line" ?

 

I may throw back the odd piece of abuse, but the agression and sheer nastiness has become mostly a one-way street, and there are others receiving this treatment too, just because we dont feel everything is so damned peachy at SMS.

 

Everytime someone questions or doubts the wave of euphoria, a dozen posts come crashing in with vile abuse.

 

Is that the sort of site you want ?

 

You know what. Out of everyone who has been through this forum in the last few years you are the one poster I would not miss. The reasons being you are always the first to try and start a mass suicide bid about anything and then try and **** on anyones parade with little or no reason to back up your opinion. I am all for having sensible debates with reasons to help backup their statements but you? no sorry your just annoying. Even NineteenCanteen et all, although windup merchants would at least put an argument to their points instead of just spouting their rubbish and demanding everyone accepted it and thats it.

 

The problem is Alpine you don't want to debate a topic correctly you just want your opinion to be the ruling one, and not actually have a genuine conversation / debate. For that I have no time for anything you post. (And the only reason why I posted this was in the veine hope you might get the point)

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You know what. Out of everyone who has been through this forum in the last few years you are the one poster I would not miss. The reasons being you are always the first to try and start a mass suicide bid about anything and then try and **** on anyones parade with little or no reason to back up your opinion. I am all for having sensible debates with reasons to help backup their statements but you? no sorry your just annoying. Even NineteenCanteen et all, although windup merchants would at least put an argument to their points instead of just spouting their rubbish and demanding everyone accepted it and thats it.

 

The problem is Alpine you don't want to debate a topic correctly you just want your opinion to be the ruling one, and not actually have a genuine conversation / debate. For that I have no time for anything you post. (And the only reason why I posted this was in the veine hope you might get the point)

 

I am not certain that genuine "debate" has ever been possible here. Most people seem to have intractible opinions. I dont think you can only accuse me of that. And your comment about my opinion ruling is a bit bizarre.

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You do this every season and never get the point.

 

No-one minds any opinion if it's to some degree informed, rational and backed up with a dose of sense.

 

Constantly moaning, seeking out negativity and drawing illogical conclusions isn't 'having a different opinion', it's tedious nonsense. Your cries fall down on the fact that there are many posters with differing views who get taken far more seriously. They explain their point more effectively, show their reasons, don't do it just for attention and are keen to discuss and listen.

 

That isn't you though. And playing this 'picked on for different opinion' card you do so well merely drags down a lot of good posters with you.

 

Adrian, sorry, all of what you have just written here is subjective.

 

I dont post for attention, and I resent the accusation. I post in order to feel part of what is going on when I live so far away. Try it and see how it affects your behaviour.

 

I regard myself to be a fairly intelligent person, and feel I have drawn reasonable conclusions, and do my best to explain them. Maybe the emotion of the moment and the immediate inush of a dozen abusive responses prevents me doing so as effectively as I would wish. Its difficult to elaborate on a point youve just made when you're angry at having just been called a "trolling skate tw*t".

 

My current bugbear is the speed with which we do our transfer business. If it takes too long it will hinder our ability to hold on to the top spot. In my opinion, even going back to my "CB watch" posts under Burley, we always take too long on transfer activity.

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My apologies for putting it here, it seems the right place and this topic will probably generate feedback from the users. Move it if you deem it necessary.

 

Is the main board supposed to be for diverse discussion of all things Saints, including trips down memory lane, various trivia, but most importantly about the current situation with the team - but in the latter case only as a mutual masturbation glee-club about how wonderful everything is with dissenting or conflicting opinions completely taboo ???

 

Do you guys realise just how much systematic abuse is being dished out for anyone who doesnt toe the "party line" ?

 

I may throw back the odd piece of abuse, but the agression and sheer nastiness has become mostly a one-way street, and there are others receiving this treatment too, just because we dont feel everything is so damned peachy at SMS.

 

Everytime someone questions or doubts the wave of euphoria, a dozen posts come crashing in with vile abuse.

 

Is that the sort of site you want ?

 

You are right Alpine it is unpleasant, it is cyber bullying. All too common these days. If these people feel that strongly about your views why don't tthey just ignore your posts. They would probably never dare say those things except from behind the safety of a key board!!!! I don'y agree with a lot of what you say, but you have every right to say it without the level of personal abuse you get. I think the way certain people (i.e you) get ganged up upon is the reason why I have never subscribed!!!

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You are right Alpine it is unpleasant, it is cyber bullying. All too common these days. If these people feel that strongly about your views why don't tthey just ignore your posts. They would probably never dare say those things except from behind the safety of a key board!!!! I don'y agree with a lot of what you say, but you have every right to say it without the level of personal abuse you get. I think the way certain people (i.e you) get ganged up upon is the reason why I have never subscribed!!!

 

I am sure I get under peoples skin by posting something at the wrong time- diplomacy is not really my forte- but it doesnt necessarily mean what I have written is not true.

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And so the collapse and loss of confidence continues. Hardly suprising with Bart in goal, 3 CMs (again...) and no attack.

 

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Nope. Not going to bother. We are going to lose by 3 clear goals today.

 

Originally Posted by alpine_saint

We are up sh*t creek. Dont you get it ?

 

Originally Posted by alpine_saint

I dont understand people who have to use the ignore

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Originally Posted by alpine_saint

And so the collapse and loss of confidence continues. Hardly suprising with Bart in goal, 3 CMs (again...) and no attack.

 

Originally Posted by alpine_saint

Nope. Not going to bother. We are going to lose by 3 clear goals today.

 

Originally Posted by alpine_saint

We are up sh*t creek. Dont you get it ?

 

Originally Posted by alpine_saint

I dont understand people who have to use the ignore

 

Your point being ?

 

It was going tits up in the first half with that team and that formation. True, Bart got a confidence boost, I'll grant you that.

Coventry could have put us to the sword in the first half. They had enough chances.

At FT we had something to smile about, but serious work remains

Using ignore is still odd, imo. Nothing I wrote there was that wide of the mark.

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I dont agree with this. There is a pre-conception about the value of my opinion due to the amount of games I attend.

 

 

That may well be the case, but the relentlessness of your deliberate negativity would be just as painfully annoying to me if you had attended every home game since birth.

 

And so the collapse and loss of confidence continues.

 

Hardly suprising with Bart in goal, 3 CMs (again...) and no attack.

Well, not from that f**king subs bench, to be sure.....

 

Nope. Not going to bother. We are going to lose by 3 clear goals today.

 

OK, I'll listen it. But you have no right to shut me up.

 

Oh, dream on.

 

61% possesion for Coventry.

 

We are up sh*t creek. Dont you get it ?

 

Oh, whatever.

 

Have another look at that team list and bench.

 

Because he's got no-one else, and clearly doesnt rate Holmes.

 

Getting beyond a joke, that.

 

This is doing wonders for preparing for the Forest game.

 

Dave say 34 mins, Cov keeper had nothing to do.

 

Morgan couldnt hit a cows arse with a banjo.

 

Why do some of you persist in saying that ? Nobody sane really thinks we are going to stay there, so what relevance does it have ?

 

Yes, because no-one is allowed to say something negative about Saints, even if we are currently playing toothless w*nk.

 

F**k, this is embarrassing.

 

Jesus, should be 2-0.

 

As Dave says, Adkins has to play Holmes in the second half.

 

My team for second half :

 

Bart

Cork Martin Hooiveld Harding

Holmes Morgan Deano Fox

Lallana Forte

As things stand, apart from Richardson and maybe Goolie (any news on his injury ?), this is our team for Forest.

 

For all those mewling and puking over my comments, why dont you listen to some of the comments sent in to the commentary team ???

At least 2 of those are injured.

 

Lee hasnt signed.

 

I was on about Fonte (how do you know he is fit ?) and SDR. Connolly next injury is in the post anyway

 

Well, if he needs to do that we have even bigger problems than we think, since manager and chairman do not communicate.

 

FFS, no team changes.

 

This is turning into Burley Mark 2.

 

And Ward-Prowse f**ks up sitter.

I really dont get the stubborn mulishness on here sometimes.

 

Nope, both play(ed) failing tactics and formations for far too long.

 

What, that I should be grateful we were top for a few weeks ?? Whatever.

 

Every cloud....

 

Maybe he was just short of games.

 

Because he's done f**k all to strengthen Alan Pardew's squad, actually.

 

I blame NC as well.

 

lee hasnt f**king signed.

 

God this frustrating.

 

None of you want to see where we are going into 2012 because you are all utterly fixated with being top of the league and SCREW our form for the last 8 games.

Lol at all the attention seekers going "la-la-la" with fingers in ears and going on about their ignore lists.

 

If that floats your boat.

 

"were top of the league" is reasoning ?

 

Wonder if NA gets the message ?

 

Amazing.

 

most of you were blaming his coming on for the Pompey draw.

 

So we wont see three CMs in a diamond formation again ?

 

I suggest you go and check that before dishing out abuse.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_div_1/16129448.stm

 

He changed it.

 

We scored.

 

Maybe he aint Burley.

 

Pretty sure you wont be infracted.

Nope, thats just your convenient recollection.

 

Not by posting incorrect drivel you wont.

 

We'ver been cr*p, but scoring seems to have woken us up.

 

not going to bother correcting yourself then ?

 

Deary me. :rolleyes:

 

Harding deserves to play against Forest.

 

Huh ?

 

No, I didnt text in demanding NAs sack, because I dont believe he should be sacked.

 

I want him to get the resources to protect our top spot. PDQ.

 

Oh, grow up you prima donna.

 

Bugger me...

 

Fair enough.

 

Why does NA get the set up so wrong and leave it so long to change then ?

 

I think thats unfair. He's had a lot of injuries.

 

He offers width and has looked good for short periods.

Thanks.

 

I dont understand people who have to use the ignore and tremble when challenged by the written word. Its like we have a bunch of basket cases in fragile remission/recovery.

 

I support Saints with every part of my being.

 

Just because I see things differently does NOT mean I dont want them to succeed, just like you. :)

On the balance, losing Rickie for another League game is just about justified by the confidence boost of such an away win.

 

So he might not be available for Forest ? For. F**ks. Sake....

 

This was not the right player to go for in order to get an emergency boost.

 

Thats quite funny. :)

 

Pleased. Stops the rot, and a great confidence boost.

 

I agree with 'Embarrassing'.

 

And particularly like the part about 'Attention Seekers'.

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My current bugbear is the speed with which we do our transfer business. If it takes too long it will hinder our ability to hold on to the top spot...we always take too long on transfer activity.
we have already signed Jos, got Lee awaiting a permit and Adkins has said other deals are being negotiated yet you and Dalek won't stop moaning about a lack of effort and activity from NA and NC. We have overachieved, be happy about it rather than being such a spoilt child constantly wanting more. Our form is bad, a new player or two can only help. Every fan knows this, just most others are happy to cut the management some slack in doing this as whatever decisions they have made previously have got us here in the first place.
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That may well be the case, but the relentlessness of your deliberate negativity would be just as painfully annoying to me if you had attended every home game since birth.

 

 

 

 

I agree with 'Embarrassing'.

 

And particularly like the part about 'Attention Seekers'.

 

Well, thats you holed below the water line, because whilst I would describe that lot as "emotional", I would not describe it as "relentlessly negative"

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Alpine your propensity to moaning incessantly if we are losing at any point during a game is tedious to the extreme. At least wait till the end of a game to express your frustration. Time and again you have said we were awful only for us to go on and win the game. Is that not evidence enough for you to change your ways?

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Well, thats you holed below the water line, because whilst I would describe that lot as "emotional", I would not describe it as "relentlessly negative"

 

So you are perfectly entitled to say we will lose by three clear goals? I think that most people did you annoying because you write us off before the end of every game if we aren't winning.

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we have already signed Jos, got Lee awaiting a permit and Adkins has said other deals are being negotiated yet you and Dalek won't stop moaning about a lack of effort and activity from NA and NC. We have overachieved, be happy about it rather than being such a spoilt child constantly wanting more. Our form is bad, a new player or two can only help. Every fan knows this, just most others are happy to cut the management some slack in doing this as whatever decisions they have made previously have got us here in the first place.

 

I never said they arent doing anything. You dont know the dynamic in the activity, maybe NC is playing more Elliot Ward type tricks. You know he hates agents.

 

The "slack" you referred to maybe time or games that our promotion campaign cannot afford. Imo this season is shaping up to be a tight promotion battle. I dont think we can afford 4 weeks to complete our transfer activity - thats 4 or 5 games, 12 or 15 points.

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So you are perfectly entitled to say we will lose by three clear goals? I think that most people did you annoying because you write us off before the end of every game if we aren't winning.

 

Oh, so we are only allowed to predict 3 goal wins for saints ? No-one moans about other peoples predictions.

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Alpine your propensity to moaning incessantly if we are losing at any point during a game is tedious to the extreme. At least wait till the end of a game to express your frustration. Time and again you have said we were awful only for us to go on and win the game. Is that not evidence enough for you to change your ways?

 

You tell me how you hear anything different in the stands at SMS. I am reacting to the game in a similar way to many that are there.

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Well, thats you holed below the water line, because whilst I would describe that lot as "emotional", I would not describe it as "relentlessly negative"

 

- You made 55 posts in the Coventry match thread.

- By far the most posts in the thread out of any Saints fan.

- Nearly 10% of the total posts in the thread.

- Read them back and the vast majority are with negative connotations.

 

I'd say that is both "relentless" and "negative". You may say "emotional", but the emotion seems to be a negative one all the time and in volume in terms of posts as the above shows from today's match thread.

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- You made 55 posts in the Coventry match thread.

- By far the most posts in the thread out of any Saints fan.

- Nearly 10% of the total posts in the thread.

- Read them back and the vast majority are with negative connotations.

 

I'd say that is both "relentless" and "negative".

 

 

Then I suggest you look up "relentless" then. It means without a break.

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Oh, so we are only allowed to predict 3 goal wins for saints ? No-one moans about other peoples predictions.

 

I moan when anyone predicts we will lose by three goals simply because we happen to be losing by a single goal at some point. Let's be honest, if we are losing at half time, then 99 times out of 100 you will be spitting bile saying how awful we are and predicting a loss without taking any other factors into account and without any sort of belief that we can turn it around.

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I moan when anyone predicts we will lose by three goals simply because we happen to be losing by a single goal at some point. Let's be honest, if we are losing at half time, then 99 times out of 100 you will be spitting bile saying how awful we are and predicting a loss without taking any other factors into account and without any sort of belief that we can turn it around.

 

Hypo, looking at that team sheet and how the first half went, I dont believe anyone who claims they were confident we could turn that around. I predicted 3 goals based on Coventrys chances and weight of posession. It could have been that up to NAs substitutions if Coventry had played someone who can shoot today.

 

Do you get arsey when we are parked in a teams half and we are 1-0 up and someone says "we'll get 4 today" ?

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Then I suggest you look up "relentless" then. It means without a break.

 

55 posts in 90 minutes of football all with largely negative connotations I think would be considered "relentless" by most people.

 

Especially considering it was a game Saints won! So those posts were largely in the 60 minutes Saints were losing. "Relentless" at nearly a post per minute?

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55 posts in 90 minutes of football all with largely negative connotations I think would be considered "relentless" by most people. It was a 514 post thread, you posted the most in it by making 55 of them.

 

Sorry friend, it stopped being relentless as soon as I posted something that was not negative.

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Sorry friend, it stopped being relentless as soon as I posted something that was not negative.

 

It would still be relentlessly negative if you only posted once a game, based on the last couple of years. Your first post in the match thread seems to always appear straight after the first opposition goal, as if you were asleep in Kelvin's goal and got hit in the face.

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It would still be relentlessly negative if you only posted once a game, based on the last couple of years. Your first post in the match thread seems to always appear straight after the first opposition goal, as if you were asleep in Kelvin's goal and got hit in the face.

 

Oh, come on !! Todays Coventry goal was almost the first kick of the game ! Thats hardly fair, I'd only just got to my PC.

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